Camellia - Towards The Horizon · forum

TheKingHenry

Joined October 2014

TheKingHenry 2018-01-06T11:44:24+00:00

Hello mod from my queue~
Since it seems the latest mod is still unanswered hopefully I won't be saying too much of the same things mentioned in there.

Asaiga's BASIC

00:59:864 (4,1) - I guess it'd be fine this way too but personally I'd switch the NC to 00:59:864 (4) -
01:21:626 (1) - not really good looking wave slider tbh, not only do the curves seem different compared to each other, they aren't smooth and for example the blanket between 01:20:460 (1,1) - doesn't quite work; similar issue with for example 01:27:843 (1) - 01:34:061 (1) -

STANDARD

00:12:649 (6) - not really good place for sliderend, the sound would be better off being clicked instead due how strong it is. It's also the sound that'd probably be NCd in that case.
00:55:298 (3) - this isn't that good position here either, even though the sound begins where this starts, because the emphasis point of the sound this slider is positioned to is now in the middle of this slider (in the red tick) making it feel quite off. Same with 01:01:515 (4) -
01:55:434 (7) - similarly to the first point here as well very strong sound under sliderend
00:28:776 - why doesn't AiMod complain about this less than 15 seconds long kiai similarly to 01:46:496 - lol. Seems to be the case in multiple diffs AiMod ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Underdogs' ADVANCED

00:51:412 (4,5) - blanket?
01:06:081 (1,2) - should these be stacked? Because they aren't atm. Anyways either stack them or use the same distance that is between 01:06:664 (2,3) - for example
01:21:431 (1,1) - blanket? Blanket at 01:24:540 (6,1) - needs kinda fixing as well (the head and tail of slider are clearly close to the circle than the body)
01:44:942 (1,1) - stack these?

Yauxo's HYPER

00:05:265 (1) - is this really necessary? Same with 00:11:483 (1) - and so on in the next same section (00:42:571 (1) - onwards)
00:43:348 (4,6,7,1) - nothing really wrong but comes off as very messy compared to what the map so far has felt
01:51:742 (1,2,1) - why this way here when similar pattern at 00:40:240 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - done differently. Also for 3rd variation see for example 00:34:022 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - ; not like the places around them are exactly the same but the sounds itself in the music are very similar

sahuang's EXHAUST

Already looking at the earlier parts this seems like a huge jump in things mapset-wise from the last diff, but let's see
00:40:337 (4) - why no slider for the 1/8 similarly to 00:38:782 (3) -
Yeah basically the first point. This diff basically contains all the rhythms and even very gimmicky stuff to go with them, which doesn't really necessarily need to be only in the top diff, sure, but it's huge jump from the last diff in this set.

Chaoz's GRAVITY

00:56:755 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - 3 times similar-styled pattern for 3 different rhythms. The first two work as a pair there but I think it'd be better to use something different for 01:01:710 (1,2,3) - considering there's nothing close-by to it that it could be related to so this pair few secs before is what it reminds most of.

asdf

Is that the final diffname? lol
00:02:933 (1,2) - not actually sure if it's related to the length of the stream or whatnot but completely stacked streams are no-no as far as I know. That being said since for now these are triples only I don't know what's the judgment. That being said differentiating the triples from the completely stacked doubles like 00:16:923 (3,4,5,6) - is completely another matter. Well since I can't play these anyways you'd better get feedback from someone who knows his shit
00:55:298 (1,2) - not only here but you've been ignoring quite a few rhythms here and there already, not really wrong tbh but I'd implement them considering this is top diff and already the 2 couple ones under this were doing that.
01:49:410 (1) - you should tune the beginning of this slider since you can't see from the body where the path is going and you should be able to do that. (you can probably just be still for the first round with this tbh but the same case might not be with HR for example)

Liking this song more than your average Camellia stuff and the mapset seems pretty cool too (as you can probably see from the content of the mod).
Good luck!

Yauxo

1,622 posts

Joined June 2011

Yauxo 2018-01-06T18:16:18+00:00

lazyboy007 wrote:
heyho quick nm for fun

[Yauxo's HYPER]

00:06:528 - feels weird not having anything here, some kind of filler slider would be nice. I dont think this part needs any more objects.
Works fine with the stop'n'go
00:07:403 (1) - the starting shape is a little sloppy, should adjust it to blanket better. Adjusted.
00:26:056 (3,4) - might be fitting to make this a repeat. I dont want to pack too many repeats in this section.
00:55:978 (3,1) - stacking is offset. Screw Sliderends. Adjusted.
cool diff, mainly the drops are nice. If you got the will to do it, I suggest revising your alignments, some are a little sloppy. 01:38:335 (1,2,3,4,5) - e.g. (just a random example), doesn't have the same tilt on the slider as the stream. Minor stuff but worth fixing if you want the diff to be more polished. I feel like it doesnt matter too much if an angle is off by ~1°, as long as it's not extremely visible while playing.

_Meep_ wrote:
yauxo
00:21:587 (1,1,1) - can u explain to me why is there the NC spam here? Thats nowhere near NCSpam tbh? NCs are here to remove followlines.
01:30:369 - looking at it from here, i think this is a better way to place the kicksliders Youre not wrong, but that'd require me to change the long Slider afterwards since it'd lose all it's strength with the new last Kickslider.

01:36:392 - this as well I feel like this one would take the increased speed/spacing or strength away from the later two Kicksliders, which is not what I want.

IceKalt wrote:
[Yauxo's]

- the upper left side of he playfield is pretty free - idk if this is a problem tho Shouldnt be.
- 01:43:387 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - maybe space them out over time for that build up like I had that in mind as I mapped it, not sure why I didnt apply it. Changed.

TheKingHenry wrote:
Yauxo's HYPER
00:05:265 (1) - is this really necessary? Same with 00:11:483 (1) - and so on in the next same section (00:42:571 (1) - onwards) Yes,
and I do not see a problem with that. It fits the music's change in pitch and is consistent throught the map. It's an overlap and this is not a Normal :v
00:43:348 (4,6,7,1) - nothing really wrong but comes off as very messy compared to what the map so far has felt Fixed, I guess? I basically flipped the enitre part after this.
01:51:742 (1,2,1) - why this way here when similar pattern at 00:40:240 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - done differently. Also for 3rd variation see for example 00:34:022 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - ; not like the places around them are exactly the same but the sounds itself in the music are very similar Normal, compressed Stream = Non-Kiai / Off, stretched Stream ) Kiai. The Non-Kiai ones are basically the same, too.

Thank

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Asaiga

848 posts

Joined July 2013

Asaiga 2018-01-06T18:44:24+00:00

_Meep_ wrote:
asaiga
00:59:864 (4,1) - maybe make it a reverse slider? I found this a bit weird since players wouldnt expect 4 to be clickable. All the notes in this small section are mapped to a certain sound, yet that one is the only one that doesn't seem to have any sound to it. Some examples to make it simpler for newbies: originally there was no note there but papa wants it ):
00:58:309 - when seen from this timestamp, I think current rhythm goes better with the bells

01:33:284 (4) - probs change this into a single note? players need rest man ;c
also just a bit from me, maybe you would need some more pauses in the kiai, since theres an abundance of it in the earlier parts of the song and none in the chorus at all, theres an imbalance in difficulty throughout the map imo.
well then again the kiai is pretty short so it may just be me ;/ but kiai is hyper :v

TheKingHenry wrote:
Asaiga's BASIC
00:59:864 (4,1) - I guess it'd be fine this way too but personally I'd switch the NC to 00:59:864 (4) - They follow as set and players would just ignore it because the kick on (1) is stronger
01:21:626 (1) - not really good looking wave slider tbh, not only do the curves seem different compared to each other, they aren't smooth and for example the blanket between 01:20:460 (1,1) - doesn't quite work; similar issue with for example 01:27:843 (1) - 01:34:061 (1) - but they don't need to be perfect, right? ;;

IceKalt wrote:
[Asaiga's]

- 00:11:677 (2) - this wave seems pretty unbalanced (idk if you want that) adjusted a bit
- 00:19:449 (1) - imo this should go to 00:20:227 - since you did that at 00:22:558 (1) - too^^ I follow drum here. and the latter is simply a filler before the spin. I just feel like it's better to keep it this way
- 00:48:983 (3,4,1) - this dosent seem too visual apperearing cause of the straight pattern - maybe like this would be better https://puu.sh/yV5Fe/793b645ff0.png nice, fixed.

thanks mod

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Pho

1,785 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Pho 2018-01-06T22:25:08+00:00

Meep

_Meep_ wrote:
my bad mod

00:52:092 - change rhythm to this? the 2 tick gap feels odd and i dont think players would be able to play this comfortably.
Current rhythm is more distinct and reflects better what's going on in the music, so i'll keep

00:55:298 (3,4,5) - this feels really odd imo. I know this is the nature of the song, but i recommend you stick with the 1/2 notes most of the time since it's much easier for the players to read. from here 00:55:201 - , maybe change the rhythm to: i'm not really a fan of oversimplifying rhythms, and for a normal difficulty this should be still fair enough

00:57:532 (2) - as I said earlier, the gaps may feel odd for the players, so I think putting less guesswork for the player would be best, so maybe make this a reverse? 00:58:309 (3) - this note could also be a 3/4 reverse too, it fits really well, although the next notes may suffer since they'd all be clustered tgt. this one i might eventually agree with, but i don't think this one's particularly hard either, and it makes the beats more distinct from each other.

01:01:515 - same thing as above, dont need to reply if u dont wanna ^

01:03:556 - instead of putting a triple maybe just putting a note here so that you're not completely ignoring the kicks? if you do that, then i suggest you replace 01:02:973 (1) - with a 1/1 slider so the players have an easier time figuring out the rhythm.

01:52:228 (7) - why is this not a 3/4 though? the 1/2 makes the pause seem really abrupt and odd because 3/4 would make the slider miss the snare on the red tick.

suck at modding normals, im sorry

ok i cant mod anything above hyper because i wont be able to properly testplay them,

note that its all my opinon so dont take em so seriously xdxd

iYiyo

iYiyo wrote:
hallo, wie gehts? gut und dir? danke danke oh du sprichst deutsch, nice

m4m with chaoz

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[asdf]
00:04:683 (7,8,1) - the distance you're using here is pretty unbalanced, you have first x3,0 and then x0,78 for the same time gap. However, imo, 00:05:460 - is way more intense, therefore I feel like it may confuse a lot of players considering this is a high bpm song (I got confused tbh). What I would recommend is maybe to rotate 00:04:197 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - so 00:04:683 (7) - is closer to 00:05:265 (8) - . Ich hab das Spacing etwas abgeschwächt, aber der jump ist immer noch drin weil die Trennung ganz gut zur Musik passt.
00:55:881 (5,6) - this sudden mini jump with 00:55:492 (3,4,5) - this blue-ticks-rhythm feels a bit harder than it should be for this caaaalmer section. Highly recommend you to stack 00:55:881 (5,6) - both on 5. Der Sprung ist beabsichtigt, da 6 stark betont wird und mit der Bewegung mehr Emphasis herauskommt.
01:20:460 (1,1) - I think it could be better if you make them overlap both end and start while having similar curve shape but with different SV. another idea i guess could be to stack like this: https://puu.sh/yTOn2/792fbf47c8.jpg Right now the current overlap looks a bit messy if compared to the rest of your mapping on this diff so yeah, mainly because of that. Die Overlaps wie sie jetzt gerade sind gefallen mir eigentlich ganz gut, muss nicht gefixt werden.
01:32:603 (4) - I feel like this should have a NC, like the sliders are totally different from 01:31:535 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - this pattern, what do you think? Ich denke so wie es jetzt ist ist es schon Spam genug lol.
cool af

Tbh all I could say is that the diffs are very well mapped and structured, was really hard to find something.

I hope my mod could help out a bit. GL!

aufwiedersehen

TheKingHenry

TheKingHenry wrote:
Hello mod from my queue~
Since it seems the latest mod is still unanswered hopefully I won't be saying too much of the same things mentioned in there.

STANDARD
00:12:649 (6) - not really good place for sliderend, the sound would be better off being clicked instead due how strong it is. It's also the sound that'd probably be NCd in that case. Current slider works fine as well, the note at the sliderend isn't more emphasized than the start, and the transition feels a lot smoother with a slider than circles only.
00:55:298 (3) - this isn't that good position here either, even though the sound begins where this starts, because the emphasis point of the sound this slider is positioned to is now in the middle of this slider (in the red tick) making it feel quite off. Same with 01:01:515 (4) - none of the beats this slider goes through are more emphasized than the other, and i chose the one that encompasses all of them in a way i find the most fitting. Might not be the most intuitive, but it's clear what I am following at this part.
01:55:434 (7) - similarly to the first point here as well very strong sound under sliderend Yes, but then again the slider follows the swoosh sound in the background much better.
00:28:776 - why doesn't AiMod complain about this less than 15 seconds long kiai similarly to 01:46:496 - lol. Seems to be the case in multiple diffs AiMod ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Wouldn't rely too much on outdated tools lol

asdf
Is that the final diffname? lol was anime a mistake
00:02:933 (1,2) - not actually sure if it's related to the length of the stream or whatnot but completely stacked streams are no-no as far as I know. That being said since for now these are triples only I don't know what's the judgment. That being said differentiating the triples from the completely stacked doubles like 00:16:923 (3,4,5,6) - is completely another matter. Well since I can't play these anyways you'd better get feedback from someone who knows his shit Yea this is kind of a grey zone for me too, I actually wanted to ask someone about this lol. Seemed fair enough to me
00:55:298 (1,2) - not only here but you've been ignoring quite a few rhythms here and there already, not really wrong tbh but I'd implement them considering this is top diff and already the 2 couple ones under this were doing that. I purposefully undermapped this whole section because a) it's not as fast-paced as the previous section and b) mainly following the kicks and snares (which are rhythmically varying a lot) feels more complimenting to the song. It's just another kind of perspective.
01:49:410 (1) - you should tune the beginning of this slider since you can't see from the body where the path is going and you should be able to do that. (you can probably just be still for the first round with this tbh but the same case might not be with HR for example) The path of this slider is clear enough, there was a discussion years ago concerning these kinds of sliders and they were deemed rankable.
Liking this song more than your average Camellia stuff and the mapset seems pretty cool too (as you can probably see from the content of the mod).
Good luck!i like your mods lol

Did apply all the uncommented stuff, thanks guys

Also probably need to change the difficulty names, realized this isn't suitable for reflec beat songs

Myxo

osu! Alumni

3,103 posts

Joined December 2012

Myxo 2018-01-07T14:34:31+00:00

Hey, saw your map on the Modding Association and felt like modding the highest difficulty.

[asdf]

00:12:455 (5,6,7) - feels a little bit out of place in this section because of the lower than usual spacing and the movement, it's pretty minor but i think something like this would fit better: http://puu.sh/yW980/a961cf8db6.jpg
00:21:587 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - the rhythm is weird here, because the strong drums 00:22:072 - and 00:22:267 - aren't clickable which they were in the rest of the section, also having a halfbeat gap after a 1/4-slider 00:22:170 (5,6) - is pretty unintuitive because most players will expect a 1/4-gap after such a slider. i recommend a rhythm like this or similar: http://puu.sh/yW9fy/5071f4d722.jpg
00:25:278 (1,1) - because the buildup starts at 00:25:667 - it feels weird that these sliders are already part of the buildup pattern and have colorful combos etc. you probably did them like this because the melody changes but it's only a transition into the buildup musically, so it'd be better to express these sliders with special slidershapes for example but don't include them in the next pattern. example: http://puu.sh/yW9n9/4a09434df3.jpg
00:39:657 (1,1,2) - questionable rhythm choice here because of the strong drum at 00:39:948 -, i understand that 00:39:851 (1,2) - follow the wubs but they are much more quiet compared to 00:39:268 (1,2) - and the drums are dominating here imo. also this pattern looks rather messy so it feels a bit like an afterthought. maybe consider a rhythm like this: http://puu.sh/yW9z0/98b7d282cc.jpg ?
00:45:097 (5,6) - why is it the same rhythm and pattern as 00:44:320 (3,4) - ? the earlier pattern follows the melody well and it makes sense to do so because the whole section follows melody, but here 00:45:097 (5,6) - the long melody note still holds on and there's no repetition so i don't think the same rhythm or even same pattern fits here. i would recommend (again) to follow the drums here as they are the most prominent instrument besides the hold note of the melody.
00:54:715 (3,1,2,3) - pretty unintuitive to read imo, because it's hard to guess the triplet starts from a blue tick and it's difficult to predict on which kind of tick the slow slider will end. i think it would help to let the slider end at 00:55:298 - instead, so you have a double more intuitively leading into the blue tick pattern.
01:01:515 (1,2,1,2) - variety is nice but this feels way too different from 00:55:298 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - and since it's a calm section without so much happening i think most players will notice this, too. in general, it strikes me as odd that you decided to follow the 1/8 triplet here 01:01:515 (1,2) - while you ignored almost every instance of 1/8 triplets in the whole map (00:55:201 - 00:53:160 - 00:51:995 - 00:46:166 - etc). so yeah, i'd suggest doing something similar to the earlier pattern or atleast getting rid of the 1/8-slider.
01:15:408 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - minor, but the pattern seems a bit too chaotic (in terms of overlaps and degree of curve of the sliders) for such a straight-forward buildup. it would help to copy-paste and rotate the sliders so the slidercurves are consistent, and also somehow avoid this overlap 01:16:185 (1,1) -. i won't put an example screenshot here because i feel that you can make something without much effort that fits your style much better than what i'd do
01:31:535 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - i like this pattern, but i think it could be even better if it'd follow the pitch of the melody. the pitch reaches its peak at 01:31:729 - and 01:32:118 - and then jumps down again, so a pattern that groups the first 3 notes in the measure together and then 4 each would be awesome (the NCing would look like this http://puu.sh/yWanv/505a034b88.jpg and the jumps would need to be changed accordingly).
01:40:958 (2,3) - stacking (3) under (2)'s tail like here 01:42:513 (2,3) - would make this pattern more intuitive, right now it feels kinda weird to slow down for the halfbeat gap afterwards
01:51:936 (1,2,3) - this pattern feels underwhelming to play due to the spacings, even though it sticks out in the music due to the strong drums compared to the parts around it. i don't have a simple pattern suggestion in mind right now but anything with large jumps would work fine

Cool map, it's very exciting and plays nicely, especially the beginning part and the kiai. Sometimes I felt it has a little too much variety in rhythm and patterning, since the song already provides huge variety it would be a better choice to hold the map together by mapping same groups of sounds the same way imo. I really liked Chaoz' and Yauxo's diffs btw. Good luck!

Pho

1,785 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Pho 2018-01-07T16:03:50+00:00

Myxomatosis wrote:
Hey, saw your map on the Modding Association and felt like modding the highest difficulty.

[asdf]

00:12:455 (5,6,7) - feels a little bit out of place in this section because of the lower than usual spacing and the movement, it's pretty minor but i think something like this would fit better: http://puu.sh/yW980/a961cf8db6.jpg that spacing feels a bit too much for me, but i increased it a bit and tilted the slider
00:21:587 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - the rhythm is weird here, because the strong drums 00:22:072 - and 00:22:267 - aren't clickable which they were in the rest of the section, also having a halfbeat gap after a 1/4-slider 00:22:170 (5,6) - is pretty unintuitive because most players will expect a 1/4-gap after such a slider. i recommend a rhythm like this or similar: http://puu.sh/yW9fy/5071f4d722.jpg
00:25:278 (1,1) - because the buildup starts at 00:25:667 - it feels weird that these sliders are already part of the buildup pattern and have colorful combos etc. you probably did them like this because the melody changes but it's only a transition into the buildup musically, so it'd be better to express these sliders with special slidershapes for example but don't include them in the next pattern. example: http://puu.sh/yW9n9/4a09434df3.jpg I don't think the change would be that beneficial, the slidershapes are the same to 00:25:667 (1,1,1,1) - because i thought the variation was already very high at this point, and I also feel the transition is much smoother this way.
00:39:657 (1,1,2) - questionable rhythm choice here because of the strong drum at 00:39:948 -, i understand that 00:39:851 (1,2) - follow the wubs but they are much more quiet compared to 00:39:268 (1,2) - and the drums are dominating here imo. also this pattern looks rather messy so it feels a bit like an afterthought. maybe consider a rhythm like this: http://puu.sh/yW9z0/98b7d282cc.jpg ? I really like the current rhythm pattern, it's meant to follow the wub sounds because that is what stands out most to me. So in that regard, I don't think that needs change. Did change the first overlap sliders however, got several complains about that one already.
00:45:097 (5,6) - why is it the same rhythm and pattern as 00:44:320 (3,4) - ? the earlier pattern follows the melody well and it makes sense to do so because the whole section follows melody, but here 00:45:097 (5,6) - the long melody note still holds on and there's no repetition so i don't think the same rhythm or even same pattern fits here. i would recommend (again) to follow the drums here as they are the most prominent instrument besides the hold note of the melody.I am pretty sure that the flute sounds on 00:45:097 (5,6) - are rhythmically identical to the main melody at 00:44:320 (3,4) -, so that is what i went for.
00:54:715 (3,1,2,3) - pretty unintuitive to read imo, because it's hard to guess the triplet starts from a blue tick and it's difficult to predict on which kind of tick the slow slider will end. i think it would help to let the slider end at 00:55:298 - instead, so you have a double more intuitively leading into the blue tick pattern. That doesn't really work for me because I really want all of the kicks to be played. I agree that this isn't the most intuitive pattern, but this section in general is a tricky one and with how i layed it out, I don't think it's too much of a hassle.
01:01:515 (1,2,1,2) - variety is nice but this feels way too different from 00:55:298 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - and since it's a calm section without so much happening i think most players will notice this, too. in general, it strikes me as odd that you decided to follow the 1/8 triplet here 01:01:515 (1,2) - while you ignored almost every instance of 1/8 triplets in the whole map (00:55:201 - 00:53:160 - 00:51:995 - 00:46:166 - etc). so yeah, i'd suggest doing something similar to the earlier pattern or atleast getting rid of the 1/8-slider. did it actually because it was a last of its kind and i wanted to highlight that, but i guess it forced me to change too much
01:15:408 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - minor, but the pattern seems a bit too chaotic (in terms of overlaps and degree of curve of the sliders) for such a straight-forward buildup. it would help to copy-paste and rotate the sliders so the slidercurves are consistent, and also somehow avoid this overlap 01:16:185 (1,1) -. i won't put an example screenshot here because i feel that you can make something without much effort that fits your style much better than what i'd do
01:31:535 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - i like this pattern, but i think it could be even better if it'd follow the pitch of the melody. the pitch reaches its peak at 01:31:729 - and 01:32:118 - and then jumps down again, so a pattern that groups the first 3 notes in the measure together and then 4 each would be awesome (the NCing would look like this http://puu.sh/yWanv/505a034b88.jpg and the jumps would need to be changed accordingly). that seems like a bad idea to me. i think the current 4-grouping is a technically more sound solution, the melodies for 01:31:535 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:31:923 (1,2,3,4) - each form a unit and cutting through these with your suggestion would kinda destroy it, at least for me (also new NCs on blue ticks is kind of a big question mark to me lol).
01:40:958 (2,3) - stacking (3) under (2)'s tail like here 01:42:513 (2,3) - would make this pattern more intuitive, right now it feels kinda weird to slow down for the halfbeat gap afterwards
01:51:936 (1,2,3) - this pattern feels underwhelming to play due to the spacings, even though it sticks out in the music due to the strong drums compared to the parts around it. i don't have a simple pattern suggestion in mind right now but anything with large jumps would work fine tried to increase it, but i really like the pattern and movement that goes with it
Cool map, it's very exciting and plays nicely, especially the beginning part and the kiai. Sometimes I felt it has a little too much variety in rhythm and patterning, since the song already provides huge variety it would be a better choice to hold the map together by mapping same groups of sounds the same way imo. I really liked Chaoz' and Yauxo's diffs btw. Good luck!

thanks for the insightful mod mixo, applied quite a few of the suggestions

xLolicore-

636 posts

Joined June 2014

xLolicore- 2018-01-07T16:55:37+00:00

chaoz's diff is the best one imo, take some of my stars

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2018-01-07T17:29:06+00:00

Yeah I do agree chaos god mapper^^

Deleted = Fixed

Blasticide wrote:
Hello

EXHAUST
00:03:905 (1) - You are ignoring the blue tick after the end of this slider. I'd recommend to start the stream from there and not from the red tick. extended slider
00:04:683 (1,2,3,4) - I understand what you're trying to make here, but it doesn't really work after a stream, especially if you are going to apply the above suggestion. 00:05:460 (1) - Same thing as above. should work now?
00:08:569 (1,2,3) - This idea doesn't really look attractive. make 00:08:957 (2,3,4,5) - shape tho
00:37:131 (3,1,2,1) - Looks as if you ran out of space. The slider facing another angle doesn't look nice. idk how to change
00:54:423 (2) - Quite bland. Maybe enhance it bit more? no i want to keep here simple
01:16:962 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Looks messy and out of place. hmm i don't think so, i will keep for now and get more opinions.
01:18:517 (1) - Try to be more creative. 01:18:128 (1,2,3,4,1) - gives a blanket
01:46:496 (1) - Polish the angles more. seems ok

With some polishing, this could become a really cool mapset. Good luck

super thx

@Suzuki_1112 all fixed i think i did quite some polish as well

lazyboy007 wrote:
heyho quick nm for fun

[sahuang's EXHAUST]

[list][*]00:09:249 - 00:15:466 - skipping a few notes that'd be nice if mapped hmm id like to keep it simple
[*]00:19:838 (4,4) - not sure why you switch to sliders here, I think keeping the previous patterns was fine. And if you want to put sliders, you should make sure flow on this stream 00:19:838 (4,5,1,2,3) - is more consistent with previous patterns, since it has the same melody.
ok i did some fix on slider position, but i think slider is ok because it is kind of consistent with the previous patterns
[*]00:43:057 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - 1 doesn't transition well from the stream's curve, should make it curve ligther and rotate inwards.
seems not really necessary..
[*]00:49:566 (5,6,1,2,3) - why not do the same as 00:18:478 (4,5,1,2,3) - would fit nicely. I think linear constant spacing is too boring for this. nah i need variation(also some ppl think the non linear pattern you mentioned is kinda bad lmao so yeah

Cool map, cool ideas, could use more polishing and better consistency.

GL for rank! Nice set ^^

@iYiyo @IceKalt @TheKingHenry all fixed

Thx

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Pho

1,785 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Pho 2018-01-09T23:59:42+00:00

thanks!

@GDers: Please redl the set, I had to change difficulty names because apparently this isn't sdvx lol

Asaiga

848 posts

Joined July 2013

Asaiga 2018-01-13T11:26:18+00:00

do you really want to keep asdf although you changed the rest o A o?

UndeadCapulet

1,100 posts

Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2018-01-29T21:02:00+00:00

check

whatever the real diffname ends up being

rly dont get why you dont at least try to map the 1/8 beats, they seem to be the most identifiable part of this song and skipping them is like super super lame to me. especially during the 00:53:646 - section, the 1/8 beats are really important and skipping them takes away pretty much any impact that part of the song would have. like you could do something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132690 and that works really well with your stack leniency stuff, or just use 1/8 slider or smth idk

i also dont get why you dont have any 1/6 circlestuff in the last drop section when you even have them at 00:02:157 (1,2,3,4) - . stuff like 01:46:885 (1,2) - feels super weak with it's lack of motion and only clicking every 1/2 beat. you dont need to make them all streams or w/ev, but minor touches like https://puu.sh/zcmFX/6f6e12cdca.png to show off those 01:47:144 (2,3) - drums will help a ton

01:24:734 (1) - think you should change this slider design to give the player more motion to the right and need less focus on staying in the reverse arrow, give them some room to breathe after the intense focused snapping of 01:23:957 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - , like some notshitty version of https://puu.sh/zcmOA/3d76d62e9d.png or something

00:22:558 (1,2,3,4,5) - this rhythm is rly weird bc it's way less dense in clicking than all the previous stuff, but the song's buildup would suggest the opposite to occur. if you had more 3/4 clicking stuff this would make a lot more sense but you had a bunch of doubles instead, so this is just a weird clicking slowdown. either fill up more of the timeline here or drop a bunch of the doubles earlier

01:54:559 (1) - mapped to nothing tbh, follow the 1/6 like you always do

01:46:496 (1) - missing finish

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azusa

00:40:434 (1,2,3,4) - raise hs vol

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underdogs

broken stack at 00:40:434 (2,3,1) - , manually offset it or you just like set stack leniency to 10 and that works ok lol

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normal

missing hs's: 00:33:828 (5) - , 01:27:260 (6) - , 01:46:496 (1) -

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asaiga

00:28:776 (1) - finish?

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chaoz pro, respond as you see fit and call me back

Pho

1,785 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Pho 2018-01-29T23:03:51+00:00

UndeadCapulet wrote:
check
whatever the real diffname ends up being
rly dont get why you dont at least try to map the 1/8 beats, they seem to be the most identifiable part of this song and skipping them is like super super lame to me. especially during the 00:53:646 - section, the 1/8 beats are really important and skipping them takes away pretty much any impact that part of the song would have. like you could do something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132690 and that works really well with your stack leniency stuff, or just use 1/8 slider or smth idk that would screw up players too hard tapping- and reading-wise lol. I intentionally sacrificed rhythm complexity to make the map more dynamic to play, but I understand your concern. Lemme see what i can do

i also dont get why you dont have any 1/6 circlestuff in the last drop section when you even have them at 00:02:157 (1,2,3,4) - . stuff like 01:46:885 (1,2) - feels super weak with it's lack of motion and only clicking every 1/2 beat. you dont need to make them all streams or w/ev, but minor touches like https://puu.sh/zcmFX/6f6e12cdca.png to show off those 01:47:144 (2,3) - drums will help a ton Increased the spacing, but the rhythm stays the same since i don't like overcomplexifying patterns here. Consider these are not purely 1/2 beats, you still have to hold them for a certain amount of time before you can move to the next object w/o combo breaking, so the assumingly low spacing is actually high enough.

01:24:734 (1) - think you should change this slider design to give the player more motion to the right and need less focus on staying in the reverse arrow, give them some room to breathe after the intense focused snapping of 01:23:957 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - , like some notshitty version of https://puu.sh/zcmOA/3d76d62e9d.png or something i tried

00:22:558 (1,2,3,4,5) - this rhythm is rly weird bc it's way less dense in clicking than all the previous stuff, but the song's buildup would suggest the opposite to occur. if you had more 3/4 clicking stuff this would make a lot more sense but you had a bunch of doubles instead, so this is just a weird clicking slowdown. either fill up more of the timeline here or drop a bunch of the doubles earlier rhythm is intended to be a bit unintuitive here to spice it up a little bit. it's not a significant slowdown at all, and the music does lose a bit of its momentum at this point

01:54:559 (1) - mapped to nothing tbh, follow the 1/6 like you always do it follows the drums xd intentionally undermapped here a bit so the final burst at 01:55:822 - stands out more.

01:46:496 (1) - missing finish

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normal
missing hs's: 00:33:828 (5) - , 01:27:260 (6) - , 01:46:496 (1) -

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chaoz pro, respond as you see fit and call me back

wow that was quick.
gonna update and inform you as soon as i got reply from the other guys, thanks!

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2018-01-30T13:04:14+00:00

Fixed it

Also changed OD to 7.5 for spread concerns and cs to 4.3 because that's better in aesthetics.

asdf

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Underdogs

820 posts

Joined July 2014

Underdogs 2018-01-30T23:48:44+00:00

chaoz pls mentor me ;w;

TheKingHenry wrote:
Underdogs' ADVANCED
00:51:412 (4,5) - blanket? sure
01:06:081 (1,2) - should these be stacked? Because they aren't atm. Anyways either stack them or use the same distance that is between 01:06:664 (2,3) - for example turn on stacking please lol
01:21:431 (1,1) - blanket? Blanket at 01:24:540 (6,1) - needs kinda fixing as well (the head and tail of slider are clearly close to the circle than the body) sure
01:44:942 (1,1) - stack these? ok

IceKalt wrote:
o/

(ar seems a bit high for me - especially spreadwise (3,2 - 4 - 8 - 8,6 - ...) around 7 like 7,2 would be more suitable tbh ^^) I'll put 7.7 since 7.2 is too low with such dense rhythm
- 00:21:004 (1,2,3,4) - this pattern could be cleaner ~ it's already good as it is tbh
(really subjective!: 00:43:543 (3) - i would use another sliderform here since the blanket with 00:43:154 (2) - looks super cramped and kinda chaning it to another slider would make the part more visual appearing^^ (imo)) Sorry, but I like it as it is.
- 00:45:680 (5,6,1,2,3) - imo using constant DS here would make the pattern alot more cleaner Visually looks the same tbh, so no change
(- 00:46:554 (4,5) - maybe stack theese since it would fit with the previous pattering) You meant 00:45:097 (3,4) - ? Nah, these notes were meant to be with 00:45:680 (5,6,1,2,3) -
- 01:26:969 (4,5) - stacking this wouldve be nice since you show the difference in melody ^^ (and it would fit to the above but this wouldnt matter too much imo cause here you have a more dominant downfall of the music (dont really know how to describe)) I think you meant the momentum I visually displayed? Yeah, it was intentional, since the sound was fundamentally the same (although the second half is a bit cramped on the melody)
- (ok sorry that i stick so much to that pattern but it kinda bothers me ) 01:38:724 (1,2,3) - and 01:26:289 (1,2,3) - compared looks kinda random to me, what DS you use for that - maybe clear hat up ^^) sure

UndeadCapulet wrote:
check

underdogs
broken stack at 00:40:434 (2,3,1) - , manually offset it or you just like set stack leniency to 10 and that works ok lol stack leniency 10 it is then

chaoz pro, respond as you see fit and call me back

yes, chaoz pro

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UndeadCapulet

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Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2018-01-31T00:19:20+00:00

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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2018-02-03T08:56:15+00:00

Reverse bubble cleanup, snaps and timing

General
I only noticed after my set was ranked, but the bpm on this song should really be 154.38 rather than 154.4 because the offset starts becoming early near the end. Having weird bpm for benami songs is pretty common, see Sennen no Kotowari.

White
00:52:480 (4) - Definetaly not 1/16
01:45:006 (1) - Spinner is really hard to do since there's so little time both before and during. It would be more reasonable to keep it the same as 00:27:221 (1) - which removed the buzz slider, giving a lot more leniency to play. That + nerves would make the second spinner easy to mess up.

Feel free to rebub after, but don't have time to qual sorry

Pho

1,785 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Pho 2018-02-03T10:01:10+00:00

Applied the timing and snapping issue. Also adjusted greenlines for spinner volume and kiais accordingly.
Not fixing the spinner however. The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for passing this section of the map.

Thanks for checking Sinnoh

UndeadCapulet

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UndeadCapulet 2018-02-03T12:55:18+00:00

see you next pop

UndeadCapulet

1,100 posts

Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2018-02-04T20:34:56+00:00

haha

topdiff
01:15:223 - fix hsvol

UndeadCapulet

1,100 posts

Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2018-02-04T20:44:57+00:00

no more rebubbles from phone i guess

LMT

535 posts

Joined October 2015

LMT 2018-02-07T02:10:40+00:00

diffname sounds like a good ad for toothpaste brands

DeRandom Otaku

2,136 posts

Joined November 2014

DeRandom Otaku 2018-02-12T15:55:23+00:00

[Normal]

01:31:644 (2,3) - Rhythm similar to 01:28:534 (2,3,4) - is gonna be alot better because of the sound on 01:32:518 - deserves to be clickable. its much more intense than 01:29:409 - atleast

[Underdogs]

01:00:552 - you can't mute clickable objects
01:12:988 - 01:15:223 - same
01:29:798 (1) - You don't need this NC

Popping for muted clickable objects mentioned in bold

not a full mod yet. Extremely extremely busy these days. Sorry for the delay

call me. will do the rest with recheck etc

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

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Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2018-02-12T15:56:48+00:00

gratz uc

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2018-02-12T16:45:44+00:00

Nice modding puzzle

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,307 posts

Joined November 2013

Chaoslitz 2018-02-12T17:58:40+00:00

ok im sorry that i haven't responded all the mods yet =w=/

lazyboy007 wrote:
[Chaoz's GRAVITY]

Have nothing to say except 01:22:111 (3,4) - why no 4 stream (as well as all following of the same pattern). This diff is dope af.

I have no idea what you are talking about

thanks

I meant that imo a stream of 4 notes would fit better than that kickslider + circle you use throughout the kiai ^^ Sorry for being unclear

I don't want too many clickable objects and 01:22:316 - has lower pitch than on red tick so yea

iYiyo wrote:
hallo, wie gehts? gut und dir? danke danke

m4m with chaoz

[Chaoz's GRAVITY]
[*]00:05:265 (1) - silence slidertail aswell? sure
[*]00:52:869 (1) - consdering the high ar and bpm, I really got confused while playing this stack, like i couldn't recognize it tbh. Since it's a stron beat, I'd recommend to move it like https://puu.sh/yTPcK/82e2a78187.jpg so it matches other similar rhythms in this section. well i prefer stacking due to the same pitch
[*]01:22:888 (3,4) - tbh this overlap feels out of place if we consider 01:22:111 (3,4) - 01:23:180 (1,2) - etc (actually looking at your kiai, it might be a missclick :d) oh this is actually intended xdxd
[*]pretty damn cool diff. I can just say that maybe it'd be better if you copy all the combo color hex of top diff, because right now you have things like 00:56:755 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - (https://puu.sh/yTPtx/c6a2208e5f.jpg) and 01:01:710 (1,2,3,1) - (https://puu.sh/yTPuz/988337fe6c.jpg) that with transparent skin might be difficult to recognize the NC.

[sahuang's EXHAUST]
[*]00:04:197 - 00:05:363 - 00:10:414 - why you skiping that strong violin sound? it really feels very weird not having them at all. Maybe you wanted to emphasize something, or make it a bit special because of the technical mapping, but consdering this is a +5sr map, i don't think it's that good to undermap this section, even if it's the intro.
[*]00:40:822 (1,2) - while playing this jump it really stand out from all the other sections tbh and not because it's the end of the kiai it means this huge jump is well supported. (imo 01:21:626 - should also be kiai, therefore it has more emphasized section, but still you can't see jumps like this here at all). For this I'd highly highly recommend to reduce the jump a bit, maybe from x6,25 to x4.2~~?
[*]similar thing about the NC i mentioned on chaoz's - 01:05:596 (1,2,1,2) - (https://puu.sh/yTPFP/c666b37d87.jpg) that was pretty damn confusing tbh ye[/list]

Tbh all I could say is that the diffs are very well mapped and structured, was really hard to find something.

I hope my mod could help out a bit. GL!

aufwiedersehen

TheKingHenry wrote:
Chaoz's GRAVITY
00:56:755 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - 3 times similar-styled pattern for 3 different rhythms. The first two work as a pair there but I think it'd be better to use something different for 01:01:710 (1,2,3) - considering there's nothing close-by to it that it could be related to so this pair few secs before is what it reminds most of.

00:55:499 (1,2,3,1) - is the similar pattern, fixed the colorhex so it is more readable

thanks! owo

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Underdogs

820 posts

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Underdogs 2018-02-12T21:04:56+00:00

Pho can you fix it for me? Im fucking autistic for ignoring that

Pho

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Topic Starter

Pho 2018-02-16T21:32:23+00:00

ok, all updated!

also adjusted one rhythm on the final diff because I like it more this way

DeRandom Otaku

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DeRandom Otaku 2018-02-20T09:49:12+00:00

I am slow
[Normal]

00:10:124 (1,2) - DS
01:32:518 (1,2) - Honestly i don't think a sudden 1/4 double after more than half of the song in a normal difficulty like this one is suitable
01:40:291 - add finish

[Insane]

01:31:547 - Why not start the stream from here, the sounds start from this beat so yea

Should be all

Pho

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Topic Starter

Pho 2018-02-23T20:16:37+00:00

DeRandom Otaku wrote:
I am slow
[Normal]
00:10:124 (1,2) - DS seems fine to me..?
01:32:518 (1,2) - Honestly i don't think a sudden 1/4 double after more than half of the song in a normal difficulty like this one is suitable
01:40:291 - add finish
Should be all

Fixed the rest thanks!

Edit: Contacted Yauxo since his internet is pretty bad, but basically no change to that note since it doesn't feel that mandatory + density is already high enough.
also yw nerova

Last edited by Pho 2018-02-25T17:14:04+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Nerova Riuz GX

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Nerova Riuz GX 2018-02-24T07:10:46+00:00

You have my thanks, Pho

UndeadCapulet

1,100 posts

Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2018-02-28T02:30:47+00:00

r-re'd?

Nevo