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BTS - Intro : Boy Meets Evil

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nextplay
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Cerulean Veyron wrote:

The difficulty gap between normal and hard is by far the biggest one, a huge jump from a 1.75* to 3.17* which way too significant while the rest of the difficulties are a gap of below one rating, precisely half and the big gap is like, tripled from that. Overall, it seems to be pretty imbalanced and because of that, it's mostly because of the note density usage in the hard difficulty and as well in normal difficulty.
Oki i explain why~
The Spread between Normal and Hard is high i agree searching for a Advanced would took me to long and I wanted to push the map towards rank without a advanced because that was my actual mindset.

Now to the part that tilted me a bit:

CV wrote:

Let's say, the hard difficulty has merely a lot of overemphasized notes and some distress in pattern executions based on distance spacing or whatever relates to playability.
It's a Hard what do you expect? The current Hard is already Rhythm wise the lowest you can go with imo.

CV wrote:

And for the normal, there are barely any 1/2 notes in the very first verse of the song track (seems like the difficulty hasn't changed since I modded the set despite that "added more 1/2" response), and structures/rhythm compositions were mapped solid.
Adding in the first 15 seconds 1/2 would be overdone in this it's the calmest and longest calmest part in the entire song Bakari told me already that the beginning was to easy so i change 2 slider in the part to 2 1/1 circles later on into the map I even introduced 2 1/2 circles which I would never do in any normal it was just there to increase the sr the difficulty spread. It changed it may be not that much but the map itself got better

CV wrote:

Nevertheless, you had three options in fixing this issue; Add a difficulty in-between, buff up normal, or nerf hard.
Okay what in the world are you thinking about this? "Buff up normal" i obviously did that i did the rhythm more intensely than it actually should be.
"nerf hard" it got decreased by 0,5* from bakaris and kurais mod. The current spread is okay it could be better yes thats true but i don't want to dq my map for that reason. You actually have to see my Normal shouldn't have 80%+ 1/2 rhythm like the hard has.

(The bg is so "weird" because actually made it to 1900x1200 (thanks for that cool btw :3)

Okay it may sound rude but it isn't meant to be rude in any way i just got a bit tilted reading that

(To QAT's/BN's however: don't dq the map because of this I will talk with cv about the spread)
For now that should be all from my side

Edit: next time talk with me about something like this BEFORE it is qualifed thanks.
Mun
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Mun
who tf judges spread by SR lol
Mekki
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Mekki

Mun wrote:

who tf judges spread by SR lol
I can do GD if you need, though.
Doormat
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Joined September 2013
Doormat

Mun wrote:

who tf judges spread by SR lol
took a look into the diff in question, and i sort of agree that the kiai between the Normal and Hard has a pretty significant density increase that can be considered as uneven. i also have a few issues with the hard itself, actually:

[Hard]
  1. edit: 00:26:813 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - is also a pretty ridiculous long chain as well when compared to the Normal
  2. 01:15:736 (1) - why is this a repeat? there's no sound on the repeat note 01:15:890 -
  3. 01:16:197 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - 01:23:582 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this is a significant density increase from the Hard. if you actually think about it it's more dense than the Insane lol
  4. 01:27:159 (2) - there's literally no sound here, why'd you place a circle here. it also breaks consistency with the rest of the kiai
noticed a few things in the Insane as well, particularly about snaps:
[Insane]
  1. 01:24:505 (4) - 01:39:274 (4) - the patterns here aren't consistent with 01:17:120 (1,2) - 01:31:890 (1,2) - . considering that they're quite literally the same musical phrasing, it really is odd why the snap is completely different.
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Pachiru
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Pachiru
Sometimes SR is useful to judge, but mostly the most important to judge is the density of objects.

In that case, I think that the gap of difficulty between Hard and Normal is quite high, cause Hard use a lot of 1/4 & 1/3 patterns compared to the use of 1/2 in the Normal diff.
For instance, the way you mapped it here: 00:15:582 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1) - in Hard and in the Normal has a big gap of difficulty, I think that this should have less circles and more repeat or sliders.

Or for instance, here from here: 00:26:813 (3) - there is a chain of 1/3 circles that could be nerfed, to make a good difficulty spread with the normal.

There is only some exemple cause it also happens in the kiai, but I think that the Hard should be nerfed a bit, to respect the difficulty spread.

That's my opinion, so before doing anything, it would be preferable to have nextplay's opinion!

Beside that, very great work on hitsounding :)
Cerulean Veyron
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Cerulean Veyron
Discussing AFTER qualification is actually the best time for anyone to give their feedback on a qualified map, because it helps you learn some lessons qualifying such stuff rather than "before".

My Angel Kanan wrote:

CV wrote:

Let's say, the hard difficulty has merely a lot of overemphasized notes and some distress in pattern executions based on distance spacing or whatever relates to playability.
It's a Hard what do you expect? The current Hard is already Rhythm wise the lowest you can go with imo.
It is a hard difficulty, I already know that lol. What I mean about it is that the execution of structures is somehow contempt, you know the word "complexity"? It's actually that. Sections like 00:22:967 - or 00:38:813 - containing some long chain of objects for the 1/3 notes is seriously burdened to be honest. Decent mapping, but it looked really much enforced though for spread balancing.

My Angel Kanan wrote:

CV wrote:

And for the normal, there are barely any 1/2 notes in the very first verse of the song track (seems like the difficulty hasn't changed since I modded the set despite that "added more 1/2" response), and structures/rhythm compositions were mapped solid.
Adding in the first 15 seconds 1/2 would be overdone in this it's the calmest and longest calmest part in the entire song Bakari told me already that the beginning was to easy so i change 2 slider in the part to 2 1/1 circles later on into the map I even introduced 2 1/2 circles which I would never do in any normal it was just there to increase the sr the difficulty spread. It changed it may be not that much but the map itself got better
Like I said, it was mapped pretty solid which I don't mind. And by what you're trying to say, it's more like you're attempting for another easy difficulty but not easier than that when most parts aren't very effective in some way. But hey, you did quite a good impact on the kiai part, but unfortunately you replaced some notes into something about that "2 slider in the part to 2 1/1 circles". Whereas some parts are suppose to highlight greater sections like 00:16:659 - & 00:20:351 -, or 00:37:890 - & 01:04:659 -, and so on. So you also have a few inconsistency stuff with composition, but mostly it was okay because it's barely noticeable.

My Angel Kanan wrote:

CV wrote:

Nevertheless, you had three options in fixing this issue; Add a difficulty in-between, buff up normal, or nerf hard.
Okay what in the world are you thinking about this? "Buff up normal" i obviously did that i did the rhythm more intensely than it actually should be.
"nerf hard" it got decreased by 0,5* from bakaris and kurais mod. The current spread is okay it could be better yes thats true but i don't want to dq my map for that reason. You actually have to see my Normal shouldn't have 80%+ 1/2 rhythm like the hard has.
For buffing up normal, see the above. And for nerfing hard, I do feel that it's the best choice but that should leave for the GDer's decision because why not, see above too. The difficulty spread SR is not the only reason why it should be disqualified. It's only that you needed just a little more tweaks so that the set can be at it's best.

Watch your wording next time ;c I don't mean anything bad though, really. But despite that, the rest is okay to me.
nextplay
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nextplay
Under me there should be a dq post in atleast some hours
Okoratu
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Okoratu
Posted: about an hour ago
tatatat
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tatatat
hi
- Frontier -
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- Frontier -

tatatat wrote:

hi
ZekeyHache
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- Frontier - wrote:

tatatat wrote:

hi
Xiaolin
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Joined April 2013
Xiaolin
@Doormat Fixed everything you mentioned, and as for the long chain, I added more sliders to lower SR

Nerfed Hard and got the SR down to 2.82*, basically I only added more sliders, didn't want to do anything big orz..
https://puu.sh/xEjNi.osu
MBomb
MBomb
just saying, SR should never be used to determine how good or bad a spread is. i obviously have no knowledge in this case because it's a mode i don't have any experience with, so the explanations may or may not be correct in terms of why spread is bad, but you should keep to those explanations, bringing a metric which is easily broken into account makes no sense
Ascendance
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Ascendance
SR is useful in std compared to ctb tho on a majority of maps
- Frontier -
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fixed doormat's mod. idk if it's okay or not
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Frontier

00:43:890 (2) - small thing but ctrl + g would be nice to structure these sliders different from your single reverse slider patterns

00:44:351 (1) - subjective but I a curve slider would be more fitting to the feel of the music http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9132756

01:09:966 (3,1) - I can't help but feel the spacing is a bit too high relative to the spacing of the rest of the map

01:43:428 (1) - NC a bit unnecessary isnt it?

mod is like subjective but it's DQ'd sooo /shrug
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Kisses wrote:

Frontier

00:43:890 (2) - small thing but ctrl + g would be nice to structure these sliders different from your single reverse slider patterns beats in 00:43:428 (1,2) - are completely the same. so i making sliders the same to represent these beats

00:44:351 (1) - subjective but I a curve slider would be more fitting to the feel of the music http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9132756 fixed, but not like this w

01:09:966 (3,1) - I can't help but feel the spacing is a bit too high relative to the spacing of the rest of the map this part here is really intense and in mv, you can see that the floor is breaking (i tried to map following the mv too xd). so i represent by using high spacing (actually i copied from my mapset lol)

01:43:428 (1) - NC a bit unnecessary isnt it? i add nc here to tell players "it's the last note lo"

mod is like subjective but it's DQ'd sooo /shrug
yes it is.
thanks kisses
osu file format v14

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Version:Frontier's Insane
Source:
Tags:K-pop Kpop BigHit Entertainment 빅히트엔터테인먼트 Bangtan Boys J-Hope 랩몬스터 진 슈가 제이홉 지민 뷔 정국 Wings Trilogy Xiaolin Lapis Aoki Firetruck -_Frontier_- Shockolatte Beyond the Scene
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CircleSize:4.5
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SliderMultiplier:2.4
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[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
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Doormat
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Doormat

Doormat wrote:

[Hard]
  1. 01:16:197 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - 01:23:582 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this is a significant density increase from the Hard. if you actually think about it it's more dense than the Insane lol
  2. 01:19:774 (2) -should probably delete this circle as well since it's on nothing
some of the concerns weren't addressed or changed; i also noticed another thing that i think wasn't there before? don't remember lol. everything else looks more reasonable now, though.
_handholding
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_handholding
@Lapis & Firetruck

A quick an easy fixer to doormat's first point would be to delete these circles 01:16:544 (3) from all patterns; it isn't needed and even reduces the rhythmic flow. This is of course if you want to reduce the density.
Pachiru
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Pachiru
Would it be possible to have an answer to what I wrote? Thanks
Xiaolin
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Joined April 2013
Xiaolin
rip me and brain

Forgive me for missing that, also what other thing? Everything looks the same as before? But anyways, reduced density in that part and removed that unnecessary circle. And about Kisses' point, that was also fixed while I was reducing density.

For reals this time https://puu.sh/xEL9t.osu
nextplay
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nextplay

Pachiru wrote:

Would it be possible to have an answer to what I wrote? Thanks
Gomenasai

Pachiru wrote:

Sometimes SR is useful to judge, but mostly the most important to judge is the density of objects.

In that case, I think that the gap of difficulty between Hard and Normal is quite high, cause Hard use a lot of 1/4 & 1/3 patterns compared to the use of 1/2 in the Normal diff.
For instance, the way you mapped it here: 00:15:582 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1) - in Hard and in the Normal has a big gap of difficulty, I think that this should have less circles and more repeat or sliders.

Or for instance, here from here: 00:26:813 (3) - there is a chain of 1/3 circles that could be nerfed, to make a good difficulty spread with the normal.

There is only some exemple cause it also happens in the kiai, but I think that the Hard should be nerfed a bit, to respect the difficulty spread.

That's my opinion, so before doing anything, it would be preferable to have nextplay's opinion!

Beside that, very great work on hitsounding :)
idk some thing you mentioned got fixed already which makes the spread better.
I would that a l l shouldn't be fixed when it would it can turn out as advanced i guess?...
Idk what I really should respond to this
And bless Kotori-Chan for hs <3
Doormat
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Doormat
density increase between the Normal and Hard looks a lot more reasonable now, so here's your rebubble =w=
ZekeyHache
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Joined October 2009
ZekeyHache
Xiaotruck's Hard
01:37:890 (1,2,3) - make the spacing between their bodies similar, looks weird right now xp
nextplay
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nextplay

ezek wrote:

Xiaotruck's Hard
01:37:890 (1,2,3) - make the spacing between their bodies similar, looks weird right now xp
did for xiao
ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache
ok
nextplay
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ezek wrote:

ok
wew lad
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ezek wrote:

ok
Kyouren
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Kyouren
Congratulations! :3
Shunao
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Gratz!~ d
nextplay
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KittyAdventure wrote:

Congratulations! :3

ShogunMoon wrote:

Gratz!~ d
Thanks 👀
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Gratz
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grats
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Thanks 👀
Boy meets evi1
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3/10 gl next map
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