BTS - Intro : Boy Meets Evil · forum

Xiaolin

Joined April 2013

Xiaolin 2017-08-08T08:06:12+00:00

Double checked snapping and fixed everything from both mods, remapped the wrong snapped parts, and mapped the intro.

Thank you two for the mod!

SPOILER

osu file format v14

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 73428
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SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.3
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WidescreenStoryboard: 0

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BeatDivisor: 3
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[Metadata]
Title:Intro : Boy Meets Evil
TitleUnicode:Intro : Boy Meets Evil
Artist:BTS
ArtistUnicode:방탄소년단
Creator:My Angel Kanan
Version:Xiaotruck's Hard
Source:
Tags:K-pop Kpop BigHit Entertainment 빅히트엔터테인먼트 Bangtan Boys J-Hope 랩몬스터 진 슈가 제이홉 지민 뷔 정국 Wings Trilogy Xiaolin Lapis Aoki Firetruck -_Frontier_- Shockolatte Beyond the Scene
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[Difficulty]
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Kurai

osu! Alumni

7,734 posts

Joined March 2009

Kurai 2017-08-16T03:40:28+00:00

Here the recheck on your difficulties. I am going to be a little strict! (well it's almost 6am so I may have missed some things xp).

[Normal]

00:03:736 (1) - I think you could improve the shape of this slider. In my opinion it's a bit too curved and doesn't really fot with the previous patterns. I would loosen the curve a little bit so that it surrounds the previous circle better.
SPOILER
00:05:582 (3) - Since you've got two beats to cover with this slider here, why not try making it a bit more original looking?
00:07:428 (1,2,3,1,2) - You are abusing this slider shape a bit here. It would be much better if you could provide a bit more diversity!
00:14:813 (1) - You've got a nice looking curved slider before this one, just making a straight one doesn't really look harmonious to me. A curved slider sounds like a better option to me.
00:16:659 (1) - I think you don't really need that NC, especially since 00:20:351 (4) - doesn't have one.
00:25:428 - It's a bit disappointing that you are ignoring that "jiiiiiii" sound as you are putting a slider end on it. In my opinion it should be clickable (even if you don't follow that sound to the end, as it ends on a blue tick). THerefore, you should probably have a circle at 00:24:967 - and start a slider at 00:25:428 - . Also, you should not have a note at 00:26:351 - as there is no prominent sound on this tick. You could have an object at 00:26:582 - or just leave it blank to have a little break.
00:33:736 - Here again there is no sound here (the sound is actually on the blue tick before). Here again, I would leave this spot empty (this would also emphasize the vocals on 00:33:274 - better this way).
00:44:351 (1,2) - They should end on the next blue tick.
00:57:274 (3) - I think this deserves a NC as the tempo significantly changes.
01:00:505 (3,4,5) - They could aligned better.
01:02:813 (1,2,3) - Make it symmetrical?

[Easy]

00:03:736 (1,2) - Maybe the shape of (2) should better not be that close to (1)'s tail.
00:31:428 (3,4,1,2,3) - Too linear
00:37:890 (2,3) - Looks weird to have the same slider shape consecutively
00:48:044 (1) - Try make the angle on the slider tick?
01:36:044 (1) - You could put it a bit higher and blanket it with the previous slider.
01:39:274 (4,1) - Spacing inconsistency between those two
01:39:736 (1,2) - Same with those two.

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

Topic Starter

nextplay 2017-08-16T12:05:40+00:00

Kurai wrote:
Here the recheck on your difficulties. I am going to be a little strict! (well it's almost 6am so I may have missed some things xp).

[Normal]
00:03:736 (1) - I think you could improve the shape of this slider. In my opinion it's a bit too curved and doesn't really fot with the previous patterns. I would loosen the curve a little bit so that it surrounds the previous circle better.
SPOILER
fixed
00:05:582 (3) - Since you've got two beats to cover with this slider here, why not try making it a bit more original looking? i made a curve in the slider
00:07:428 (1,2,3,1,2) - You are abusing this slider shape a bit here. It would be much better if you could provide a bit more diversity! idk since the sounds are the same consistency throughout slidershapes is nothing bad I guess
00:14:813 (1) - You've got a nice looking curved slider before this one, just making a straight one doesn't really look harmonious to me. A curved slider sounds like a better option to me. fixed
00:16:659 (1) - I think you don't really need that NC, especially since 00:20:351 (4) - doesn't have one. fixed
00:25:428 - It's a bit disappointing that you are ignoring that "jiiiiiii" sound as you are putting a slider end on it. In my opinion it should be clickable (even if you don't follow that sound to the end, as it ends on a blue tick). THerefore, you should probably have a circle at 00:24:967 - and start a slider at 00:25:428 - . Also, you should not have a note at 00:26:351 - as there is no prominent sound on this tick. You could have an object at 00:26:582 - or just leave it blank to have a little break. follows instrumentals lo but added a circle at 00:26:582 (2)
00:33:736 - Here again there is no sound here (the sound is actually on the blue tick before). Here again, I would leave this spot empty (this would also emphasize the vocals on 00:33:274 - better this way). I wanna keep it simple here i guess
00:44:351 (1,2) - They should end on the next blue tick. fixed
00:57:274 (3) - I think this deserves a NC as the tempo significantly changes. Gonna keep it for now because consistency
01:00:505 (3,4,5) - They could aligned better. can't lo because 01:00:505 (3,6) - are stacked (3 is stacked a t the sliderend)
01:02:813 (1,2,3) - Make it symmetrical? did something different instead
[Easy]
00:03:736 (1,2) - Maybe the shape of (2) should better not be that close to (1)'s tail. at least it's not overlapping gonna keep it
00:31:428 (3,4,1,2,3) - Too linear 00:34:197 (2) - made this curved
00:37:890 (2,3) - Looks weird to have the same slider shape consecutively nah not really imo because this was the best choice for me having it linear would look bad if those sliders before are curved and having this slider the other way curved would not look good with 00:40:659 (1) -
00:48:044 (1) - Try make the angle on the slider tick? fixed
01:36:044 (1) - You could put it a bit higher and blanket it with the previous slider. fixed
01:39:274 (4,1) - Spacing inconsistency between those two fixed
01:39:736 (1,2) - Same with those two.^

thanks for the re-check owo

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-09-16T00:44:00+00:00

[Easy]

00:11:582 - isn't the hitsound at the tail of this slider supposed to be at the head of the next slider?

[Normal]

00:44:351 (1,2) - the pattern would look neat if the tails of the sliders didn't overlap
00:51:159 (6) - This note is off; it should be 1/3. I suggest deleting the note because in a low diff like this one, having to click on notes with snapping changes like this can throw off players of this level

[Hard]

00:34:351 (3) - The vocal starts at 00:34:428 - , so you're not following anything with this slider. I suggest to use this rhythm to follow it properly while maintaining a good playability. It's basically deleting the slider, placing a circle at 00:34:428 - and changing 00:34:659 (4,5,6) - to a single repeat slider.

[Frontier's Insane]

00:50:813 (1) - This slider should end in 1/3
00:51:274 (2) - This plays well but it's a bit awkward that you ignored the strong vocal at 00:51:505 -
00:58:659 (1) - this slider is unsnapped (tail)

yikes, this song's snapping is crazy @_@

feel free to call me back~

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2017-09-16T02:41:39+00:00

ezek wrote:
[Frontier's Insane]
00:50:813 (1) - This slider should end in 1/3 i intend to make this note skip the vocal. But I'll consider about it.
00:51:274 (2) - This plays well but it's a bit awkward that you ignored the strong vocal at 00:51:505 - ^
00:58:659 (1) - this slider is unsnapped (tail) zzz
yikes, this song's snapping is crazy @_@

feel free to call me back~

Thank you~ owo
I think I want some more opinion about 00:50:813 (1,2) - first hehe.

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Xiaolin

1,857 posts

Joined April 2013

Xiaolin 2017-09-16T07:53:13+00:00

ezek wrote:
[Hard]
00:34:351 (3) - The vocal starts at 00:34:428 - , so you're not following anything with this slider. I suggest to use this rhythm to follow it properly while maintaining a good playability. It's basically deleting the slider, placing a circle at 00:34:428 - and changing 00:34:659 (4,5,6) - to a single repeat slider. Works better, fixed. ✓

Thanks for the mod!

https://puu.sh/xAYBC.osu

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

Topic Starter

nextplay 2017-09-16T08:19:32+00:00

@ezek all fixed on my diffs thanks for mod owo also fixed the unsnapped slidertail for frontier

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-09-17T22:52:06+00:00

[Frontier's Insane]

00:51:274 (2,1) - Now you should use a bigger spacing here because of the snapping change
00:58:659 (1,1) - you probably would want a jump between these two as well since the sound on (1) is pretty strong and deserves a better emphasis

poke me

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2017-09-18T12:23:24+00:00

ezek wrote:
[Frontier's Insane]
00:51:274 (2,1) - Now you should use a bigger spacing here because of the snapping change move this slightly further because i don't want to ruin the perfectly triangle at 00:50:582 (1,1,2) -
00:58:659 (1,1) - you probably would want a jump between these two as well since the sound on (1) is pretty strong and deserves a better emphasis i listen to the song and i think it isn't really that intense. maybe just myself. and i think players might need some break after 00:58:197 (1,2,3) -
poke me

dna is already 3m in 3hrs lol

osu file format v14

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ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-09-18T16:10:44+00:00

~Map meets bubble~

Renumi

907 posts

Joined July 2012

Renumi 2017-09-19T15:45:30+00:00

is it time

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

Topic Starter

nextplay 2017-09-19T15:47:50+00:00

Renumi wrote:
is it time

yes

Kurai

osu! Alumni

7,734 posts

Joined March 2009

Kurai 2017-09-19T16:56:21+00:00

My Angel Kanan wrote:
Renumi wrote:
is it time
yes

no

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

Topic Starter

nextplay 2017-09-19T16:57:49+00:00

Kurai wrote:
Renumi wrote:
is it time
no

:c

jk thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!

600th post hehe

Renumi

907 posts

Joined July 2012

Renumi 2017-09-19T17:22:57+00:00

congrats fren!!!!!!!!!!!

600th post hehe

Cerulean Veyron

2,090 posts

Joined August 2012

Cerulean Veyron 2017-09-19T20:09:30+00:00

I'm going to drop this again for discussion since my mod on this map, because I still have my concerns about the spread in the mid difficulties, especially between normal and hard. Although some of the mods before the qualification as well did mentioned this general spread issue since the start and I'm not the only one you see. Therefore, either the mapper neglect or got away with this enforced difficulty spread for no actual reason. Good set, but the spread was poorly executed.

Current Difficulty Spread - 1.26* > 1.75* > 3.17* > 3.66*

The difficulty gap between normal and hard is by far the biggest one, a huge jump from a 1.75* to 3.17* which way too significant while the rest of the difficulties are a gap of below one rating, precisely half and the big gap is like, tripled from that. Overall, it seems to be pretty imbalanced and because of that, it's mostly because of the note density usage in the hard difficulty and as well in normal difficulty. Let's say, the hard difficulty has merely a lot of overemphasized notes and some distress in pattern executions based on distance spacing or whatever relates to playability. And for the normal, there are barely any 1/2 notes in the very first verse of the song track (seems like the difficulty hasn't changed since I modded the set despite that "added more 1/2" response), and structures/rhythm compositions were mapped solid. Nevertheless, you had three options in fixing this issue; Add a difficulty in-between, buff up normal, or nerf hard.

Don't you worry, we still have time. Please, I don't mean to attack the set, I just want to know every reason why before you do anything weird. Keep in detail~
off-topic: What th did you do with the background btw? It looked seriously skewed up from the original one ._.

nextplay

976 posts

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Topic Starter

nextplay 2017-09-19T20:35:50+00:00

Cerulean Veyron wrote:
The difficulty gap between normal and hard is by far the biggest one, a huge jump from a 1.75* to 3.17* which way too significant while the rest of the difficulties are a gap of below one rating, precisely half and the big gap is like, tripled from that. Overall, it seems to be pretty imbalanced and because of that, it's mostly because of the note density usage in the hard difficulty and as well in normal difficulty.

Oki i explain why~
The Spread between Normal and Hard is high i agree searching for a Advanced would took me to long and I wanted to push the map towards rank without a advanced because that was my actual mindset.

Now to the part that tilted me a bit:

CV wrote:
Let's say, the hard difficulty has merely a lot of overemphasized notes and some distress in pattern executions based on distance spacing or whatever relates to playability.

It's a Hard what do you expect? The current Hard is already Rhythm wise the lowest you can go with imo.

CV wrote:
And for the normal, there are barely any 1/2 notes in the very first verse of the song track (seems like the difficulty hasn't changed since I modded the set despite that "added more 1/2" response), and structures/rhythm compositions were mapped solid.

Adding in the first 15 seconds 1/2 would be overdone in this it's the calmest and longest calmest part in the entire song Bakari told me already that the beginning was to easy so i change 2 slider in the part to 2 1/1 circles later on into the map I even introduced 2 1/2 circles which I would never do in any normal it was just there to increase the sr the difficulty spread. It changed it may be not that much but the map itself got better

CV wrote:
Nevertheless, you had three options in fixing this issue; Add a difficulty in-between, buff up normal, or nerf hard.

Okay what in the world are you thinking about this? "Buff up normal" i obviously did that i did the rhythm more intensely than it actually should be.
"nerf hard" it got decreased by 0,5* from bakaris and kurais mod. The current spread is okay it could be better yes thats true but i don't want to dq my map for that reason. You actually have to see my Normal shouldn't have 80%+ 1/2 rhythm like the hard has.

(The bg is so "weird" because actually made it to 1900x1200 (thanks for that cool btw :3)

Okay it may sound rude but it isn't meant to be rude in any way i just got a bit tilted reading that

(To QAT's/BN's however: don't dq the map because of this I will talk with cv about the spread)
For now that should be all from my side

Edit: next time talk with me about something like this BEFORE it is qualifed thanks.

Mun

469 posts

Joined July 2015

Mun 2017-09-19T20:58:53+00:00

who tf judges spread by SR lol

Mekki

Mekki 2017-09-19T21:03:50+00:00

Mun wrote:
who tf judges spread by SR lol

I can do GD if you need, though.

Doormat

2,050 posts

Joined September 2013

Doormat 2017-09-19T21:13:18+00:00

Mun wrote:
who tf judges spread by SR lol

took a look into the diff in question, and i sort of agree that the kiai between the Normal and Hard has a pretty significant density increase that can be considered as uneven. i also have a few issues with the hard itself, actually:

[Hard]

edit: 00:26:813 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - is also a pretty ridiculous long chain as well when compared to the Normal
01:15:736 (1) - why is this a repeat? there's no sound on the repeat note 01:15:890 -
01:16:197 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - 01:23:582 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this is a significant density increase from the Hard. if you actually think about it it's more dense than the Insane lol
01:27:159 (2) - there's literally no sound here, why'd you place a circle here. it also breaks consistency with the rest of the kiai

noticed a few things in the Insane as well, particularly about snaps:
[Insane]

01:24:505 (4) - 01:39:274 (4) - the patterns here aren't consistent with 01:17:120 (1,2) - 01:31:890 (1,2) - . considering that they're quite literally the same musical phrasing, it really is odd why the snap is completely different.

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Pachiru

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Joined June 2013

Pachiru 2017-09-19T21:14:47+00:00

Sometimes SR is useful to judge, but mostly the most important to judge is the density of objects.

In that case, I think that the gap of difficulty between Hard and Normal is quite high, cause Hard use a lot of 1/4 & 1/3 patterns compared to the use of 1/2 in the Normal diff.
For instance, the way you mapped it here: 00:15:582 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1) - in Hard and in the Normal has a big gap of difficulty, I think that this should have less circles and more repeat or sliders.

Or for instance, here from here: 00:26:813 (3) - there is a chain of 1/3 circles that could be nerfed, to make a good difficulty spread with the normal.

There is only some exemple cause it also happens in the kiai, but I think that the Hard should be nerfed a bit, to respect the difficulty spread.

That's my opinion, so before doing anything, it would be preferable to have nextplay's opinion!

Beside that, very great work on hitsounding

Cerulean Veyron

2,090 posts

Joined August 2012

Cerulean Veyron 2017-09-19T21:26:11+00:00

Discussing AFTER qualification is actually the best time for anyone to give their feedback on a qualified map, because it helps you learn some lessons qualifying such stuff rather than "before".

My Angel Kanan wrote:
CV wrote:
Let's say, the hard difficulty has merely a lot of overemphasized notes and some distress in pattern executions based on distance spacing or whatever relates to playability.
It's a Hard what do you expect? The current Hard is already Rhythm wise the lowest you can go with imo.

It is a hard difficulty, I already know that lol. What I mean about it is that the execution of structures is somehow contempt, you know the word "complexity"? It's actually that. Sections like 00:22:967 - or 00:38:813 - containing some long chain of objects for the 1/3 notes is seriously burdened to be honest. Decent mapping, but it looked really much enforced though for spread balancing.

My Angel Kanan wrote:
CV wrote:
And for the normal, there are barely any 1/2 notes in the very first verse of the song track (seems like the difficulty hasn't changed since I modded the set despite that "added more 1/2" response), and structures/rhythm compositions were mapped solid.
Adding in the first 15 seconds 1/2 would be overdone in this it's the calmest and longest calmest part in the entire song Bakari told me already that the beginning was to easy so i change 2 slider in the part to 2 1/1 circles later on into the map I even introduced 2 1/2 circles which I would never do in any normal it was just there to increase the sr the difficulty spread. It changed it may be not that much but the map itself got better

Like I said, it was mapped pretty solid which I don't mind. And by what you're trying to say, it's more like you're attempting for another easy difficulty but not easier than that when most parts aren't very effective in some way. But hey, you did quite a good impact on the kiai part, but unfortunately you replaced some notes into something about that "2 slider in the part to 2 1/1 circles". Whereas some parts are suppose to highlight greater sections like 00:16:659 - & 00:20:351 -, or 00:37:890 - & 01:04:659 -, and so on. So you also have a few inconsistency stuff with composition, but mostly it was okay because it's barely noticeable.

My Angel Kanan wrote:
CV wrote:
Nevertheless, you had three options in fixing this issue; Add a difficulty in-between, buff up normal, or nerf hard.
Okay what in the world are you thinking about this? "Buff up normal" i obviously did that i did the rhythm more intensely than it actually should be.
"nerf hard" it got decreased by 0,5* from bakaris and kurais mod. The current spread is okay it could be better yes thats true but i don't want to dq my map for that reason. You actually have to see my Normal shouldn't have 80%+ 1/2 rhythm like the hard has.

For buffing up normal, see the above. And for nerfing hard, I do feel that it's the best choice but that should leave for the GDer's decision because why not, see above too. The difficulty spread SR is not the only reason why it should be disqualified. It's only that you needed just a little more tweaks so that the set can be at it's best.

Watch your wording next time ;c I don't mean anything bad though, really. But despite that, the rest is okay to me.

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

Topic Starter

nextplay 2017-09-19T21:31:24+00:00

Under me there should be a dq post in atleast some hours

Okoayu

Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator

4,959 posts

Joined May 2012

Okoayu 2017-09-19T22:18:54+00:00

Posted: about an hour ago

tatatat

923 posts

Joined March 2015

tatatat 2017-09-20T00:12:53+00:00

hi

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2017-09-20T00:25:23+00:00

tatatat wrote:
hi

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-09-20T07:05:41+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
tatatat wrote:
hi

Xiaolin

1,857 posts

Joined April 2013

Xiaolin 2017-09-20T10:23:16+00:00

@Doormat Fixed everything you mentioned, and as for the long chain, I added more sliders to lower SR

Nerfed Hard and got the SR down to 2.82*, basically I only added more sliders, didn't want to do anything big orz..
https://puu.sh/xEjNi.osu

MBomb

MBomb 2017-09-20T10:55:49+00:00

just saying, SR should never be used to determine how good or bad a spread is. i obviously have no knowledge in this case because it's a mode i don't have any experience with, so the explanations may or may not be correct in terms of why spread is bad, but you should keep to those explanations, bringing a metric which is easily broken into account makes no sense

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,252 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-09-20T11:36:50+00:00

SR is useful in std compared to ctb tho on a majority of maps

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2017-09-20T12:15:07+00:00

fixed doormat's mod. idk if it's okay or not

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_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-09-20T12:47:56+00:00

Frontier

00:43:890 (2) - small thing but ctrl + g would be nice to structure these sliders different from your single reverse slider patterns

00:44:351 (1) - subjective but I a curve slider would be more fitting to the feel of the music http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9132756

01:09:966 (3,1) - I can't help but feel the spacing is a bit too high relative to the spacing of the rest of the map

01:43:428 (1) - NC a bit unnecessary isnt it?

mod is like subjective but it's DQ'd sooo /shrug

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2017-09-20T14:53:57+00:00

Kisses wrote:
Frontier

00:43:890 (2) - small thing but ctrl + g would be nice to structure these sliders different from your single reverse slider patterns beats in 00:43:428 (1,2) - are completely the same. so i making sliders the same to represent these beats

00:44:351 (1) - subjective but I a curve slider would be more fitting to the feel of the music http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9132756 fixed, but not like this w

01:09:966 (3,1) - I can't help but feel the spacing is a bit too high relative to the spacing of the rest of the map this part here is really intense and in mv, you can see that the floor is breaking (i tried to map following the mv too xd). so i represent by using high spacing (actually i copied from my mapset lol)

01:43:428 (1) - NC a bit unnecessary isnt it? i add nc here to tell players "it's the last note lo"

mod is like subjective but it's DQ'd sooo /shrug

yes it is.
thanks kisses

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Doormat

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Joined September 2013

Doormat 2017-09-20T19:03:44+00:00

Doormat wrote:
[Hard]
01:16:197 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - 01:23:582 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this is a significant density increase from the Hard. if you actually think about it it's more dense than the Insane lol
01:19:774 (2) -should probably delete this circle as well since it's on nothing

some of the concerns weren't addressed or changed; i also noticed another thing that i think wasn't there before? don't remember lol. everything else looks more reasonable now, though.

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-09-20T20:05:25+00:00

@Lapis & Firetruck

A quick an easy fixer to doormat's first point would be to delete these circles 01:16:544 (3) from all patterns; it isn't needed and even reduces the rhythmic flow. This is of course if you want to reduce the density.

Pachiru

osu! Alumni

2,956 posts

Joined June 2013

Pachiru 2017-09-20T20:50:17+00:00

Would it be possible to have an answer to what I wrote? Thanks

Xiaolin

1,857 posts

Joined April 2013

Xiaolin 2017-09-20T22:15:31+00:00

rip me and brain

Forgive me for missing that, also what other thing? Everything looks the same as before? But anyways, reduced density in that part and removed that unnecessary circle. And about Kisses' point, that was also fixed while I was reducing density.

For reals this time https://puu.sh/xEL9t.osu

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

Topic Starter

nextplay 2017-09-21T05:27:17+00:00

Pachiru wrote:
Would it be possible to have an answer to what I wrote? Thanks

Gomenasai

Pachiru wrote:
Sometimes SR is useful to judge, but mostly the most important to judge is the density of objects.

In that case, I think that the gap of difficulty between Hard and Normal is quite high, cause Hard use a lot of 1/4 & 1/3 patterns compared to the use of 1/2 in the Normal diff.
For instance, the way you mapped it here: 00:15:582 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1) - in Hard and in the Normal has a big gap of difficulty, I think that this should have less circles and more repeat or sliders.

Or for instance, here from here: 00:26:813 (3) - there is a chain of 1/3 circles that could be nerfed, to make a good difficulty spread with the normal.

There is only some exemple cause it also happens in the kiai, but I think that the Hard should be nerfed a bit, to respect the difficulty spread.

That's my opinion, so before doing anything, it would be preferable to have nextplay's opinion!

Beside that, very great work on hitsounding

idk some thing you mentioned got fixed already which makes the spread better.
I would that a l l shouldn't be fixed when it would it can turn out as advanced i guess?...
Idk what I really should respond to this
And bless Kotori-Chan for hs <3

Doormat

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Joined September 2013

Doormat 2017-09-21T18:12:29+00:00

density increase between the Normal and Hard looks a lot more reasonable now, so here's your rebubble =w=

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-09-22T21:25:05+00:00

Xiaotruck's Hard
01:37:890 (1,2,3) - make the spacing between their bodies similar, looks weird right now xp

nextplay

976 posts