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02:12:818 (2,1) - 02:13:450 (2,1) - no hyper dahes here, but there's two at 02:15:344 (2,1) - 02:15:660 (2,1) - ? needs to be consistent if they're the same sounds.
03:41:081 (1,2) - distance here just doesn't work. needs to be more easily walkable if that's what you're going for.
03:54:976 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - why did you map these as 1/8 but not 04:00:029 (1,1) - ? if anything, 03:54:976 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - should be mapped as 1/4 streams.
04:56:555 (1,2) - based on all of your pattern usage in this section, there shouldn't be a hyper dash here.
these are the only noteworthy suggestions i had, everything else is too small to worry about. good map, patterns work nicely imo. good luck!
02:12:818 (2,1) - 02:13:450 (2,1) - no hyper dahes here, but there's two at 02:15:344 (2,1) - 02:15:660 (2,1) - ? needs to be consistent if they're the same sounds.
03:41:081 (1,2) - distance here just doesn't work. needs to be more easily walkable if that's what you're going for.
03:54:976 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - why did you map these as 1/8 but not 04:00:029 (1,1) - ? if anything, 03:54:976 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - should be mapped as 1/4 streams.
04:56:555 (1,2) - based on all of your pattern usage in this section, there shouldn't be a hyper dash here.
these are the only noteworthy suggestions i had, everything else is too small to worry about. good map, patterns work nicely imo. good luck!
00:24:029 (1) - reduce distance a bit here x:384
00:30:344 (1,2) - kinda close to each other , give it more spacing
00:32:239 (2,1) - same ^
00:50:397 - make Hdash here like in 00:49:134 -
03:02:134 (2,3) - tricky pattern here I guess you need to fix spacing
03:24:029 (1) - x:430
map is so good , I don't have much to say
gl
00:30:344 (1,2) - kinda close to each other , give it more spacing
00:32:239 (2,1) - same ^
00:50:397 - make Hdash here like in 00:49:134 -
03:02:134 (2,3) - tricky pattern here I guess you need to fix spacing
03:24:029 (1) - x:430
map is so good , I don't have much to say
gl
Topic Starter
Thanks for the mod!-wwwww wrote:
endless hatred
03:41:081 (1,2) - distance here just doesn't work. needs to be more easily walkable if that's what you're going for. - Not ment to be walkable.
I designed this with a dash in mind. And out from what i have seen when people have tested it, they have dashed here.
these are the only noteworthy suggestions i had, everything else is too small to worry about. good map, patterns work nicely imo. good luck!
All applied from kens mod!
Thank you both!
Second IRC with Razor
2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: O.o?
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: please ;_;
2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: wich map?
2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: ata?
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: yes
2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: link me
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: you know the map with the 1/3 part that you modded
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: iirc with me
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: remember?
2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: ohhh
2017-09-14 14:31 -Sh1n1-: link me pls I'm on my laptop now
2017-09-14 14:31 -Sh1n1-: uwu
2017-09-14 14:31 Razor Sharp: sec
2017-09-14 14:31 -Sh1n1-: oks
2017-09-14 14:33 Razor Sharp: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296317 Ata - Euphoria]
2017-09-14 14:33 Razor Sharp: this one
2017-09-14 14:40 -Sh1n1-: 1/3 still a pain in the ass, hopefully only that part, rest is fantastic
2017-09-14 14:40 Razor Sharp: its hard you mean?
2017-09-14 14:40 -Sh1n1-: not hard, idk what are you enphasize sometimes
2017-09-14 14:41 Razor Sharp: well i tried to empathize what you told me
2017-09-14 14:41 Razor Sharp: ok help me fix 1/3 part
2017-09-14 14:41 -Sh1n1-: via thread pls
2017-09-14 14:41 Razor Sharp: sure
2017-09-14 14:41 Razor Sharp: im almost done applying mods
2017-09-14 14:42 -Sh1n1-: Ok I will mod offline cause if people see me modding they will ask for checks xd cya
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: DUDE
2017-09-14 14:52 -Sh1n1-: I read it
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: I FIXED THE 1/3 PART
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: everything is empathized right now
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: im playing it now
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: if you want to see it
2017-09-14 14:52 -Sh1n1-: oks let me see
2017-09-14 14:58 Razor Sharp: so?
2017-09-14 14:58 -Sh1n1-: cool
2017-09-14 14:59 Razor Sharp: so? ;-;
2017-09-14 15:01 -Sh1n1-: I'll bubble don't worry
2017-09-14 15:01 -Sh1n1-: I'm checking it generally one more time just to be sure
2017-09-14 15:01 Razor Sharp: qwq i ove you my life
2017-09-14 15:02 Razor Sharp: yeah
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: can u remove pls your unused hitsounds
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: soft-hitfinish-old1.wav
2017-09-14 15:06 Razor Sharp: what are they?
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: soft-hitnormal-old1.wav
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: soft-hitnormal2.wav
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: also idk why are u using slider-slide on ctb
2017-09-14 15:07 Razor Sharp: i copied them from forts folder
2017-09-14 15:07 -Sh1n1-: remove it :3
2017-09-14 15:07 Razor Sharp: ok deleted those you mentioned and sliderslide
2017-09-14 15:07 -Sh1n1-: okie
2017-09-14 15:07 Razor Sharp: want me to update?
2017-09-14 15:07 -Sh1n1-: wait
2017-09-14 15:07 Razor Sharp: ok
2017-09-14 15:09 Razor Sharp: 03:38:344 (4) -
2017-09-14 15:09 Razor Sharp: ill ctrl-g this
2017-09-14 15:10 -Sh1n1-: okay
2017-09-14 15:10 Razor Sharp: 03:18:239 (5) - and moving this too x308
2017-09-14 15:11 Razor Sharp: and 03:18:344 (1,2) - too x140
2017-09-14 15:11 Razor Sharp: and lowering HP to 6
2017-09-14 15:11 Razor Sharp: tell me when to update
2017-09-14 15:12 Razor Sharp: nice relogg
2017-09-14 15:12 Razor Sharp: you saw what i wrote before you logged off?
2017-09-14 15:13 -Sh1n1-: I didn't logged off, my osu re-started
2017-09-14 15:13 -Sh1n1-: :c
2017-09-14 15:13 Razor Sharp: you saw what i wrote tho?
2017-09-14 15:14 -Sh1n1-: yes cause I'm saving the log
2017-09-14 15:14 Razor Sharp: ok good
2017-09-14 15:22 Razor Sharp: rest seem fine? or?
2017-09-14 15:23 -Sh1n1-: it's my imagination or you are missing some hitsound at the beginning of 03:01:923 -
2017-09-14 15:23 Razor Sharp: o missing a clap
2017-09-14 15:23 Razor Sharp: added it
2017-09-14 15:24 Razor Sharp: finish***
2017-09-14 15:24 -Sh1n1-: fix every hitsound pls
2017-09-14 15:25 Razor Sharp: its only that one missing imo
2017-09-14 15:25 -Sh1n1-: oks update
2017-09-14 15:26 Razor Sharp: updated
2017-09-14 15:31 -Sh1n1-: why didn't u remove the unused hitsounds?
2017-09-14 15:31 Razor Sharp: i did
2017-09-14 15:31 Razor Sharp: you have to delete map and re-dl
2017-09-14 15:31 -Sh1n1-: I did
2017-09-14 15:31 Razor Sharp: or else they wont be removed from folder
2017-09-14 15:31 Razor Sharp: proof: http://prntscr.com/gl8osu
2017-09-14 15:31 -Sh1n1-: holly
2017-09-14 15:32 -Sh1n1-: I'll re-re-download
2017-09-14 15:32 Razor Sharp: you didnt know?
2017-09-14 15:32 -Sh1n1-: I re downloaded but they are still here
2017-09-14 15:32 Razor Sharp: delete folder
2017-09-14 15:32 Razor Sharp: and redl it
2017-09-14 15:36 Razor Sharp: osu crash again?
2017-09-14 15:37 -Sh1n1-: yes, my laptop is dying
2017-09-14 15:37 Razor Sharp: D:
2017-09-14 15:37 -Sh1n1-: D:
2017-09-14 15:42 Razor Sharp: ACTION pours water on sh1n1's computer
2017-09-14 15:43 -Sh1n1-: wtf :O
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: ACTION slaps razor
2017-09-14 15:44 Razor Sharp: xD
2017-09-14 15:44 Razor Sharp: too cool it down D:
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: poor computer :c
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: haha
2017-09-14 15:44 Razor Sharp: :c
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: okie it's ok to go, at least for me
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: good luck
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: let me post
2017-09-14 15:44 Razor Sharp: :D <3<3<3
As I said, everything looks fine to me, also movements were really fun and enjoyable, I wanna pp with this map haha, Good Luck bro, keep it up
Topic Starter
Thank you!-Sh1n1- wrote:
Second IRC with Razor2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: O.o?
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: please ;_;
2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: wich map?
2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: ata?
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: yes
2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: link me
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: you know the map with the 1/3 part that you modded
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: iirc with me
2017-09-14 14:30 Razor Sharp: remember?
2017-09-14 14:30 -Sh1n1-: ohhh
2017-09-14 14:31 -Sh1n1-: link me pls I'm on my laptop now
2017-09-14 14:31 -Sh1n1-: uwu
2017-09-14 14:31 Razor Sharp: sec
2017-09-14 14:31 -Sh1n1-: oks
2017-09-14 14:33 Razor Sharp: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296317 Ata - Euphoria]
2017-09-14 14:33 Razor Sharp: this one
2017-09-14 14:40 -Sh1n1-: 1/3 still a pain in the ass, hopefully only that part, rest is fantastic
2017-09-14 14:40 Razor Sharp: its hard you mean?
2017-09-14 14:40 -Sh1n1-: not hard, idk what are you enphasize sometimes
2017-09-14 14:41 Razor Sharp: well i tried to empathize what you told me
2017-09-14 14:41 Razor Sharp: ok help me fix 1/3 part
2017-09-14 14:41 -Sh1n1-: via thread pls
2017-09-14 14:41 Razor Sharp: sure
2017-09-14 14:41 Razor Sharp: im almost done applying mods
2017-09-14 14:42 -Sh1n1-: Ok I will mod offline cause if people see me modding they will ask for checks xd cya
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: DUDE
2017-09-14 14:52 -Sh1n1-: I read it
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: I FIXED THE 1/3 PART
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: everything is empathized right now
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: im playing it now
2017-09-14 14:52 Razor Sharp: if you want to see it
2017-09-14 14:52 -Sh1n1-: oks let me see
2017-09-14 14:58 Razor Sharp: so?
2017-09-14 14:58 -Sh1n1-: cool
2017-09-14 14:59 Razor Sharp: so? ;-;
2017-09-14 15:01 -Sh1n1-: I'll bubble don't worry
2017-09-14 15:01 -Sh1n1-: I'm checking it generally one more time just to be sure
2017-09-14 15:01 Razor Sharp: qwq i ove you my life
2017-09-14 15:02 Razor Sharp: yeah
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: can u remove pls your unused hitsounds
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: soft-hitfinish-old1.wav
2017-09-14 15:06 Razor Sharp: what are they?
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: soft-hitnormal-old1.wav
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: soft-hitnormal2.wav
2017-09-14 15:06 -Sh1n1-: also idk why are u using slider-slide on ctb
2017-09-14 15:07 Razor Sharp: i copied them from forts folder
2017-09-14 15:07 -Sh1n1-: remove it :3
2017-09-14 15:07 Razor Sharp: ok deleted those you mentioned and sliderslide
2017-09-14 15:07 -Sh1n1-: okie
2017-09-14 15:07 Razor Sharp: want me to update?
2017-09-14 15:07 -Sh1n1-: wait
2017-09-14 15:07 Razor Sharp: ok
2017-09-14 15:09 Razor Sharp: 03:38:344 (4) -
2017-09-14 15:09 Razor Sharp: ill ctrl-g this
2017-09-14 15:10 -Sh1n1-: okay
2017-09-14 15:10 Razor Sharp: 03:18:239 (5) - and moving this too x308
2017-09-14 15:11 Razor Sharp: and 03:18:344 (1,2) - too x140
2017-09-14 15:11 Razor Sharp: and lowering HP to 6
2017-09-14 15:11 Razor Sharp: tell me when to update
2017-09-14 15:12 Razor Sharp: nice relogg
2017-09-14 15:12 Razor Sharp: you saw what i wrote before you logged off?
2017-09-14 15:13 -Sh1n1-: I didn't logged off, my osu re-started
2017-09-14 15:13 -Sh1n1-: :c
2017-09-14 15:13 Razor Sharp: you saw what i wrote tho?
2017-09-14 15:14 -Sh1n1-: yes cause I'm saving the log
2017-09-14 15:14 Razor Sharp: ok good
2017-09-14 15:22 Razor Sharp: rest seem fine? or?
2017-09-14 15:23 -Sh1n1-: it's my imagination or you are missing some hitsound at the beginning of 03:01:923 -
2017-09-14 15:23 Razor Sharp: o missing a clap
2017-09-14 15:23 Razor Sharp: added it
2017-09-14 15:24 Razor Sharp: finish***
2017-09-14 15:24 -Sh1n1-: fix every hitsound pls
2017-09-14 15:25 Razor Sharp: its only that one missing imo
2017-09-14 15:25 -Sh1n1-: oks update
2017-09-14 15:26 Razor Sharp: updated
2017-09-14 15:31 -Sh1n1-: why didn't u remove the unused hitsounds?
2017-09-14 15:31 Razor Sharp: i did
2017-09-14 15:31 Razor Sharp: you have to delete map and re-dl
2017-09-14 15:31 -Sh1n1-: I did
2017-09-14 15:31 Razor Sharp: or else they wont be removed from folder
2017-09-14 15:31 Razor Sharp: proof: http://prntscr.com/gl8osu
2017-09-14 15:31 -Sh1n1-: holly
2017-09-14 15:32 -Sh1n1-: I'll re-re-download
2017-09-14 15:32 Razor Sharp: you didnt know?
2017-09-14 15:32 -Sh1n1-: I re downloaded but they are still here
2017-09-14 15:32 Razor Sharp: delete folder
2017-09-14 15:32 Razor Sharp: and redl it
2017-09-14 15:36 Razor Sharp: osu crash again?
2017-09-14 15:37 -Sh1n1-: yes, my laptop is dying
2017-09-14 15:37 Razor Sharp: D:
2017-09-14 15:37 -Sh1n1-: D:
2017-09-14 15:42 Razor Sharp: ACTION pours water on sh1n1's computer
2017-09-14 15:43 -Sh1n1-: wtf :O
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: ACTION slaps razor
2017-09-14 15:44 Razor Sharp: xD
2017-09-14 15:44 Razor Sharp: too cool it down D:
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: poor computer :c
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: haha
2017-09-14 15:44 Razor Sharp: :c
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: okie it's ok to go, at least for me
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: good luck
2017-09-14 15:44 -Sh1n1-: let me post
2017-09-14 15:44 Razor Sharp: :D <3<3<3
As I said, everything looks fine to me, also movements were really fun and enjoyable, I wanna pp with this map haha, Good Luck bro, keep it up
hello
Endless Hatredall from me, pretty cool map
- 00:23:397 (2,1) - a bit unexpected distance compared to the previous small distances between the sliders, consider reducing a bit
- 00:45:423 (5,1) - I think this can be a hyper and 00:45:502 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - you can add more distance to compensate to the intensity building up
- 01:39:502 (1,2,3) - mind explaining why you chose hyperchain?
- 01:42:660 (1,2,3) - same here but this one is even more random than the above cause this one isn't building up to anything.
- 01:53:713 (1,2,1) - kind of wrong emphasisement, should be a hyper between 2,1 and not 1,2
- 01:59:081 (1,2,1) - and here also, why? There's nothing standing out here
- 02:51:186 (1,1) - a hyper here would be appropriate
- 03:18:976 (1,2,3,4) - this is VERY hard on antiflow
- 04:01:765 (2,1,2,3) - maybe try having a more back and forth playing hyperdashes and not just having 3 hypers to the same direction, I think that will look visually better with the different beat snapping
- 04:06:976 (1,2,3) - 04:07:607 (1,2,3) - like my problem with these hyperchains is that they're not consistent at all, they feel really random which is imo bad
- 04:21:186 (1,2,3) - like here also, would make more sense to make hyperchains here 04:21:502 (1,2,1,2) - as a buildup rather than just overspaced hyperchains randomly, the hyperchains are definately my main issue here and is placed randomly through the rest of the map, try giving them a bit more thought and perhaps be more aware where you place them
Topic Starter
Thanks for the mod!Benny- wrote:
hello
- 01:39:502 (1,2,3) - mind explaining why you chose hyperchain? - made this a hyperchain to empathize the "whosh" sound. i personally find it to fit.
- 01:42:660 (1,2,3) - same here but this one is even more random than the above cause this one isn't building up to anything. - yeah ur right.
changed this.- 01:53:713 (1,2,1) - kind of wrong emphasisement, should be a hyper between 2,1 and not 1,2 - I know. but i really feel the sound on 01:54:029 (2) - deserves to be hit with a hyper. Changing it to have hyper on 1,2 makes it much more boring to play too. i kinda wanted these to stand out.
- 01:59:081 (1,2,1) - and here also, why? There's nothing standing out here - If you listen to the sound in the background here, i felt like it deserved this empathizer. personally i see it fit too, and havent had any complaints about it as far as i am conserned. Would preffer to keep it like this.
- 03:18:976 (1,2,3,4) - this is VERY hard on antiflow - hard? o.O i hit it 99% of all my tries D: unless this pattern is a huge problem i would like to keep it.
- 04:06:976 (1,2,3) - 04:07:607 (1,2,3) - like my problem with these hyperchains is that they're not consistent at all, they feel really random which is imo bad
Hello friends! I don't feel this map is ready to be qualified. My general concern is that the entirety of the map is too overdone. Sometimes, hyperdashes feel random or emphasizing nothing, the beginning of the song has sliders mapped to things i could barely hear, and some stream shapes directly affect the playability of the map at various points. It's a cool map, but I can't see this being a good fit for the ranked section.
Let's start.
Let's start.
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General
- Difficulty Spread : Not applicable
- Background Size : Okay!
- Unsnapped objects : Okay!
- Audio bitrate over 192 kbps : Okay!
- Metadata Issues : Okay!
- Timeline Issues : NC issues, splashing every 4 fruits is not okay
- Combo Colors : Combo 4 (the light blue) feels really out of place. I'd suggest trying something new. Same with Combo 1. The colors would be better off being darker to match the background, rather than vibrant or bright.
- Unused Hitsounds : Okay!
- Hitsounds Issues : Okay!
- Unused Files / Other : Overemphasis and poor structure in some cases
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Endless Hatred
General
- In my opinion, everything before 00:15:976 - is really unnecessary and doesn't fit well at all. You've mapped very abstract sounds that don't fit much aside from things you have to try really hard to hear in some cases, which a player shouldn't be worrying about while playing a map. Adding a spinner at 00:15:976 - feels like a much better option to me.
- 00:18:660 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 5 seconds with no pattern variance is a bit too much for me. Some changes in direction would be welcomed in sections like this. Also, there's no need to new combo every 2 times. It creates way too unnecessary fruit splashes.
- 00:27:818 (1) - Has a really unique sound on it but you've just mapped it as a normal slider. Adding some sort of buzz or abnormal curve to the slider would help bring it out as something important.
- Speaking of this section, from 00:25:292 - to 00:35:239 - , you just map a pattern and then flip it in the next section. This definitely could use some work in variety, as for now, it's just copypaste and that doesn't seem very creative to me.
- 00:35:397 (1) - This curve has a pretty shallow entrance to it, which can make the first droplets harder to hit. Giving a stronger curve to start this slider would help out a lot. Also, the slider is almost entirely on the left side. For a super long slider such as this, creating more area to move around with would be more beneficial.
- 00:41:871 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - More needless NC spam
- 00:41:713 (1,1) - No need for this to be a HDash by the way, there's nothing really to emphasize besides the change from single notes to triplets. Too unimportant to be having a cross screen HDash to. A normal dash would suffice for sure.
- Same with things like 00:42:818 (2,1) - , 00:43:450 (2,1,2) - , etc. There's no representable change in music besides the volume increasing which definitely does not call for such hyperdashes, especially in such a calm part of the song.
- 00:44:397 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - The only hdash here that I can really see as something worth hdashing to is 00:45:345 (4,5,1) - , because there is a very noticeable shift in the pace of the song worthy of having an hdash.
- For the next section, it's a lot of the same thing. What happens between 00:47:870 (4,1) - that deserves an hdash? There's no change in the music to signify anything worth emphasis. Also, you have more NC spams with 00:48:028 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - that need to be fixed.
- 00:48:976 (2,1) - And again..
- And so on with 00:50:239 (2,1) - etc etc.
- Also, you're copypasting more things again with 00:48:028 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - which I don't believe should be promoted in maps.
- 00:54:819 (4,1,2,3,4) - Not sure why the distance is increasing again when it's the same as when it was at 00:54:345 (1,2,3) - . The effect is cool, you should just execute it a bit better.
- 00:55:607 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - NC's. I'm not gonna point out NC's anymore. There shouldn't be a NC every 4 notes, it overkills the fruit splash effect. 8-12 fruits is perfectly fine.
- 00:55:607 (1,2,1,2) - Nothing here really should be hdashed. The first shift in music comes at 00:56:239 (1) - , which for some reason is NOT currently hdashed.
- 00:56:871 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Why is the distance getting lower when the song is getting louder???? If anything, these should be swapped with the previous patterns to signify a volume change.
- 00:58:765 (1,1) - No movement here when there should definitely be some.
- 01:00:423 - Why is there not another slider here? The sound is the same but it's just empty.
- 01:02:555 (1,2,3,4) - Curve could be improved
- 01:02:871 (1,2,1) - Rough movement here where distance could definitely be decreased, 01:03:029 (2) - definitely causes some flow issues.
- 01:08:160 (4,1) - Pretty bad transition, the accelerated stream at 01:07:924 (1,2,3,4) - causes the antiflow at 01:08:239 (1) - to play really poorly, just some standard flow would be nicer here.
- 01:25:292 (1) - Just a small thing but I'd probably tilt this a bit less
- 01:27:186 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Previously you've used a lot smaller distances and now this is across the screen, a reduction is definitely necessary
- 01:37:607 (1,2,1,2) - not sure why when the song is calming down slightly that you throw in the most difficult part of the map with the reverse stairs
- 01:38:555 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Incorrect emphasis here, the hdashes need to be to 01:38:713 (2,2) - and 01:38:871 (1) - should not have an hdash to it.
- 01:39:502 (1,2,3) - I know there's a whoosh sound here but I don't think the hyperchain really fits. The song is still fairly calm and I don't think it's necessary to add this sort of pattern so early.
- 01:42:029 (1) - This probably doesn't need an HDash to it, you've only made an artificial sound by adding a clap to it, which just makes it overemphasized
- 01:42:660 (1,2) - Not sure why this is 2 circles instead of a slider, the circles give it extra distance that I don't think is really needed here
- 01:43:292 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2) - this is the same pattern repeated 3 times except there's a different shape in the middle (still going the same way :/), could use some variance here
- 01:56:555 (1,1) - slight leftwards tilt on these would be nice considering they're almost directly vertical and I don't think that's very nice to play
- 01:59:081 (1,2,1) - ehhhh not sure about the hyperchain here, nothing really calls for it and it's not exactly an exemplary pattern
- 02:06:344 - Again, the only emphasis on these 1/8 streams is claps that you placed, so I don't think there's any need for hdashes, and especially no need for such huge spacing on them.
- 02:16:450 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Copypaste + this section plays pretty bad imo. Turning the curves like 02:16:765 (1,2,3,4) - into something like this creates a much smoother pattern.
- 02:19:607 (1) - Should probably have an HDash to this for consistency with your other patterns.
- 02:19:923 (1) - Again, some tilt here would be nice.
- 02:40:134 (1,2) - Not sure what these hypers are for, there's nothing significant in the music that calls for them.
- 02:46:765 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - same pattern repeated 6 times, needs some variance for sure, and probably lower distances
- 02:49:292 (1,1,2,3,4) - Same sounds but one section is a repeat slider and the other is 4 hypers chained in a row. Consistencyyyyy (remove the hdashes!)
- 02:51:186 (1) - Vertical sliders play bad plz >:C, make it horizontal left or something
- 02:51:818 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - same stuff different day
more copypaste - 02:56:871 (1,2) - This plays really bad coming out of the 1/8 high acceleration stream. Some movement here (preferably right facing) would be nice.
- 02:58:134 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Backwards in terms of emphasis, the higher pitched stuff should have the hdashes.
- 02:59:081 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Please more curve :< This is sooo sad ;;
- 03:08:344 (2,5) - These have no sounds on them, two 2/3 sliders would be much more accurate
- 03:04:450 (1) - Another place where you could do a 1/8 stream instead because making everything 1/3 is just not okay here.
- This whole section actually is just all 1/3 when there's so many things you're either skipping or misinterpreting or overmapping or something. Time for another break, this is very sad
Maybe the best map i have ever seen
03:01:923 - I loved this, Razor! Pretty good job
03:01:923 - I loved this, Razor! Pretty good job
Topic Starter
00:15:976 - i wanted to map the intro, and presonally feel it fits very well. im gonna keep it.
00:25:292 - to 00:35:239 - i know it seems lazy and all. But i feel like how it was mapped (even tho it is flipped) fits the song very well imo. But i did change the slider you mentioned to 1/8 steam to compliment the sound.
00:42:818 (2,1) - , 00:43:450 (2,1,2) - yes i know. But as you might guess, i wanted to empathize the volume change here. I personally see it fit.
00:44:397 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - keeping for consistensy. And i wanted this part to be like this due to the change in music volume. Again, something i see fit
00:47:870 (4,1) - Fixed NC spam. But gonna keep hdash
00:48:976 (2,1) - ^
00:50:239 (2,1) - ^
00:48:028 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - I did it cuz i personally find it too be fitting.
00:54:819 (4,1,2,3,4) - Yes even tho it maybe dont fit. It is a cool effect. Hence the reason i did it. Even tho it doesent fit that well, but to some extent, it is a cool effect leading into the song. So im gonna keep it.
00:55:607 (1,2,1,2) - ^
00:56:871 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - again, same as above.
00:58:765 (1,1) - i originaly had movement here. but some mods made me map this like this to create less movement, which i agree on. and since there basicly isnt anything between these notes, i dont really see a huge need for movement.
01:02:871 (1,2,1) - designed to be like this. and its not hard at all to do this part anyway
01:08:160 (4,1) - I feel like the current antiflow movement here is fine. And it compliments the transition well too. Havent seen anyone had trouble here. keeping
01:25:292 (1) - Designed to make the player wiggle, even tho it is not needed. keeping
01:37:607 (1,2,1,2) - they complement the song, if you listen. And this is not hard
01:38:555 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Myself i think different. I feel current patterning and hdash usage is fine
01:39:502 (1,2,3) - Compliment wosh
01:42:660 (1,2) - was originaly hyperchain
01:59:081 (1,2,1) - I think it is ok tho. Since the sound here is only used once in the song (as i recall)
02:06:344 - I think both spacing and hyper itself is ok here. I dont find them to not fit myself. And it is not something people have complained about
02:40:134 (1,2) - I think personally they fit. There is a small sound here i think it fits for
02:49:292 (1,1,2,3,4) - Keeping HDashes. they are good to show the buildup
02:51:186 (1) - gonna keep this one like this too. It fits perfect to the vocals imo
02:51:818 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - again, this for me fits perfectly
02:56:871 (1,2) - it is only 1/4 distance between. And its fine
02:58:134 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - if you listen closely, the volume slowly decreases here. thats why it is like it is
03:08:344 (2,5) - They do infact have a faint sound
03:04:450 (1) - i wanted this whole section as 1/3
"This whole section actually is just all 1/3 when there's so many things you're either skipping or misinterpreting or overmapping or something. Time for another break, this is very sad"
If you look at my style of mapping, suggests to execute the 1/3 sounds to its fullest here. This is also the reason i decided to map this song, due to the 1/3 section. Im not gonna add or remove anything from it, its has constant 1/3 sound troughout the whole thing. And it fits perfectly imo. Most is also empathized right.
Thanks for the mod!
00:25:292 - to 00:35:239 - i know it seems lazy and all. But i feel like how it was mapped (even tho it is flipped) fits the song very well imo. But i did change the slider you mentioned to 1/8 steam to compliment the sound.
00:42:818 (2,1) - , 00:43:450 (2,1,2) - yes i know. But as you might guess, i wanted to empathize the volume change here. I personally see it fit.
00:44:397 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - keeping for consistensy. And i wanted this part to be like this due to the change in music volume. Again, something i see fit
00:47:870 (4,1) - Fixed NC spam. But gonna keep hdash
00:48:976 (2,1) - ^
00:50:239 (2,1) - ^
00:48:028 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - I did it cuz i personally find it too be fitting.
00:54:819 (4,1,2,3,4) - Yes even tho it maybe dont fit. It is a cool effect. Hence the reason i did it. Even tho it doesent fit that well, but to some extent, it is a cool effect leading into the song. So im gonna keep it.
00:55:607 (1,2,1,2) - ^
00:56:871 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - again, same as above.
00:58:765 (1,1) - i originaly had movement here. but some mods made me map this like this to create less movement, which i agree on. and since there basicly isnt anything between these notes, i dont really see a huge need for movement.
01:02:871 (1,2,1) - designed to be like this. and its not hard at all to do this part anyway
01:08:160 (4,1) - I feel like the current antiflow movement here is fine. And it compliments the transition well too. Havent seen anyone had trouble here. keeping
01:25:292 (1) - Designed to make the player wiggle, even tho it is not needed. keeping
01:37:607 (1,2,1,2) - they complement the song, if you listen. And this is not hard
01:38:555 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Myself i think different. I feel current patterning and hdash usage is fine
01:39:502 (1,2,3) - Compliment wosh
01:42:660 (1,2) - was originaly hyperchain
01:59:081 (1,2,1) - I think it is ok tho. Since the sound here is only used once in the song (as i recall)
02:06:344 - I think both spacing and hyper itself is ok here. I dont find them to not fit myself. And it is not something people have complained about
02:40:134 (1,2) - I think personally they fit. There is a small sound here i think it fits for
02:49:292 (1,1,2,3,4) - Keeping HDashes. they are good to show the buildup
02:51:186 (1) - gonna keep this one like this too. It fits perfect to the vocals imo
02:51:818 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - again, this for me fits perfectly
02:56:871 (1,2) - it is only 1/4 distance between. And its fine
02:58:134 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - if you listen closely, the volume slowly decreases here. thats why it is like it is
03:08:344 (2,5) - They do infact have a faint sound
03:04:450 (1) - i wanted this whole section as 1/3
"This whole section actually is just all 1/3 when there's so many things you're either skipping or misinterpreting or overmapping or something. Time for another break, this is very sad"
If you look at my style of mapping, suggests to execute the 1/3 sounds to its fullest here. This is also the reason i decided to map this song, due to the 1/3 section. Im not gonna add or remove anything from it, its has constant 1/3 sound troughout the whole thing. And it fits perfectly imo. Most is also empathized right.
Thanks for the mod!
Wew lad. Fort's osu!std version is also mapped with 1/3 part but many people enjoyed. And since they enjoyed playing this part then there is no unrankable issues whatsoever. Same I could also say with Razor Sharp's version. Also good mapped part. This is comes as a personal opinion but I'm not okay with 03:39:818 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Especially these 4 last sliders they're anti-flowed and when I play it even on my livestream I'm always getting confused how to mash it. Either just spam left and right with no dash or just standing it. So yeah I possibly recommend you to just rotate these 4 sliders. But it is your choice so I do not mind if you deny it. Great map and I hope you'll finally rank it!Ascendance wrote:
This whole section actually is just all 1/3 when there's so many things you're either skipping or misinterpreting or overmapping or something. Time for another break, this is very sad
Topic Starter
Im gonna let this part stay as it is. It is designed with the decreasing volume in mind, and for the first 4 sliders you can hold dash, then on the last 2 you choose yourself if you dont want to move or not.Nelly wrote:
Wew lad. Fort's osu!std version is also mapped with 1/3 part but many people enjoyed. And since they enjoyed playing this part then there is no unrankable issues whatsoever. Same I could also say with Razor Sharp's version. Also good mapped part. This is comes as a personal opinion but I'm not okay with 03:39:818 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Especially these 4 last sliders they're anti-flowed and when I play it even on my livestream I'm always getting confused how to mash it. Either just spam left and right with no dash or just standing it. So yeah I possibly recommend you to just rotate these 4 sliders. But it is your choice so I do not mind if you deny it. Great map and I hope you'll finally rank it!Ascendance wrote:
This whole section actually is just all 1/3 when there's so many things you're either skipping or misinterpreting or overmapping or something. Time for another break, this is very sad
Postponed this way too much because of your way of responding to mods, also this is a recheck of ascendances/my own mod and some new stuff I found
Endless Hatred
I think a good saying is if you emphasise everything you end up emphasisng nothing.
If you don't respond properly and explain in a way that justifies your decisions I sadly won't push this.
Also got lazy with explaining in the end but you know how to reach me in case of questions!
- 00:27:818 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I feel like you can extend this to at least 00:28:292 - feels awkward to stop at the white tick
- 00:41:871 (1) - remove nc
- 00:45:345 (10,11,1) - It bothers me that here you suddenly choose to emphasise the downbeat where on all other triplet you've chosen to ignore it. Stay consistent.
- 00:51:503 (7) - 00:52:766 (7) - please move further in to the playfield, please don't put notes any closer than ~20 pixels from the border
- 00:55:607 - Your reply to Ascendance's mod regarding this stream is not satisfying at all; "Yes even tho it maybe dont fit. It is a cool effect. Hence the reason i did it. Even tho it doesent fit that well, but to some extent, it is a cool effect leading into the song. So im gonna keep it." You're basically saying "Hey! I know it doesn't fit but I'm gonna keep it anyway even if it doesn't follow the music!" which isn't justifying your usage of hypers at all. If you're gonna have hypers here I suggest you at least put them to the white ticks, meaning between 00:55:765 (2,3) - 00:56:081 (4,1) - because they are at least a tiny bit noticeable than the red ticks in terms of the strength. 00:56:871 (1) - From here on you should map the to the intensity of the music meaning start with lower distance and increase them appropriately
- 00:59:950 (2,3,4) - These hypers don't fit at all and 01:00:423 (4,1) - is way too harsh with antiflow, the beats aren't THAT strong.
- 01:25:292 (1) - I agree with Ascendance on this, tilting it like 01:24:976 (2) - would play a lot better and also fit the music better. The music doesn't change at all so doesn't make sense to make this a wiggle cause nothing stands out in the music.
- 01:28:292 (3,1) - This beat is really strong and barely has any distance at all compared to the surrounding hypers.
- 01:39:502 (5,6,7) - No, the music is calming...... They don't fit at all no matter how you try to justify them.
- 01:51:186 (1,2,1,1,2) - I'm gonna say it again, I would really recommend putting hypers to the finishers instead as that's the highlight in this part. I'd make 01:51:186 (1,1) - 1/2 sliders to make it flow better and add hypers between 01:51:502 (2,1) - 01:51:660 (1,1) -. The hyper between 01:51:976 (1,2) - isn't really needed cause there's no strong sound on 2. Also fix the combos please lol
- 01:53:713 (1,2,1,1,2) - and same here as above
- 01:59:081 (1,2,1) - Yeah nope. Doesn't fit. The beats don't stand out at all so there's nothing to highlight with these hypers.
- 02:49:292 (1,1,2,3,4) - Again I strongly agree with Ascendance, there really isn't much buildup intensity in the music so please stay consistent.
- 02:58:134 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Again the music is building intensity but your pattern starts with high spacing and ends with lower. Please map the song plsplsplspls
- 03:20:555 (4,5,6) - Music doesn't change, hypers don't fit.
- Okay so regarding the 1/3 part I do see what Ascendance means, in terms of consistency, you've previously mapped a lot of 1/8 bursts for the wubs or whatever but in the entire 1/3 part you stop doing so which breaks the consistency. He doesn't want you to remove the entire 1/3 part and remap it, he just wants you to be consistent with it.
- 03:42:344 - Can you do something else than extended sliders? also this 03:44:555 (2,1) - is extremely long for a really calm part.
- 03:48:897 (3,1) - No. Way way way way too long. Actually most hypers here are too long. The music is really calm here so why is this part full of hypers when 01:00:660 - this stream part didn't? Consistency please.
- 03:53:713 - Here the music becomes calmer so please start with higher distance and end with normal dashes instead of doing the opposite.
- 04:15:186 (1,2) - 04:15:660 (2,1) - looks very ew
- 04:21:502 (1,2,3,4) - Can't see what these are emphasising
- 04:22:134 (1) - Shouldn't this be 1/8
- 04:26:713 (2,3,1) - I don't see how this fits either, music isn't changing in terms of intesity or anything
- 04:28:450 (1,2) - unfitting hyper
- 04:28:924 (4,1,2) - Remove hyper between 1,2 and add one between 4,1 for proper emphasising
- 04:30:502 (2,1) - can add a hyper here for finisher and remove here 04:30:976 (1,2) - so the finishers really stand out.
- 04:35:397 (1,2,3,4) - Previously you've mapped these as 1/8 bursts so doesn't make sense to change this now.
- 04:37:607 (1,2,3) - Unfitting, music doesn't change so it's just inconsistent.
- 04:46:765 (1,2,3) - same as aboveeeeee
- 04:52:450 (1,2,3,4) - Since it's kinda a break here I think this would be great as 1/2 instead of streams
- 04:56:081 (2,1) - 04:57:344 (2,1) - Hyper for consistencyyyyyy
I think a good saying is if you emphasise everything you end up emphasisng nothing.
If you don't respond properly and explain in a way that justifies your decisions I sadly won't push this.
Also got lazy with explaining in the end but you know how to reach me in case of questions!
Topic Starter
Thanks for the mod benny!Benny- wrote:
Postponed this way too much because of your way of responding to mods, also this is a recheck of ascendances/my own mod and some new stuff I found
- 01:51:186 (1,2,1,1,2) - I'm gonna say it again, I would really recommend putting hypers to the finishers instead as that's the highlight in this part. I'd make 01:51:186 (1,1) - 1/2 sliders to make it flow better and add hypers between 01:51:502 (2,1) - 01:51:660 (1,1) -. The hyper between 01:51:976 (1,2) - isn't really needed cause there's no strong sound on 2. Also fix the combos please lol - Decided to keep the way it is patterned with extended sliders. But changed the 1/2 sliders to end on a blue tick instead as we talked about ingame.
- 01:53:713 (1,2,1,1,2) - and same here as above - ^
- 02:58:134 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Again the music is building intensity but your pattern starts with high spacing and ends with lower. Please map the song plsplsplspls - I didnt focus on the siren here, as i focused the mapping on the "bass" sound that pitches down, so im gonna keep this.
- Okay so regarding the 1/3 part I do see what Ascendance means, in terms of consistency, you've previously mapped a lot of 1/8 bursts for the wubs or whatever but in the entire 1/3 part you stop doing so which breaks the consistency. He doesn't want you to remove the entire 1/3 part and remap it, he just wants you to be consistent with it. - Still not a huge fan of changing how this part is. This part alone is one of the reasons i decided to map the song. As it allows me to have some fun with 285 bpm and spice up the map a little. I have talked with other players/mappers about this section and have gotten absolutely no complains in terms of timeline. And i personally dont want to ruin the intensity of these patterns with wub empathizment.
I think a good saying is if you emphasise everything you end up emphasisng nothing.
If you don't respond properly and explain in a way that justifies your decisions I sadly won't push this.
Also got lazy with explaining in the end but you know how to reach me in case of questions!
Some BNs had a quick chat about your map and we all concluded it's best to start the map at 00:18:344 -. The notes before are placed really awkwardly to the music and doesn't really fit. Or you can start with a spinner 00:15:976 - to 00:18:344 - up to you
Topic Starter
Alright. I have removed the sliders and added a spinner as suggested!Benny- wrote:
Some BNs had a quick chat about your map and we all concluded it's best to start the map at 00:18:344 -. The notes before are placed really awkwardly to the music and doesn't really fit. Or you can start with a spinner 00:15:976 - to 00:18:344 - up to you
so yeah, razor decided to update and pop the bubble benny gave to the map so that I could bub and benny could qualify it instead.
In short, we went through the whole map, revised the whole "overmapping" thing that was going on until now, made it a bit less overmapped and basically nerfed it a tad on some sections so that it wasn't so overdone (especially on the 1/3 section of the map, which also had some questionable pattern usage that came out to be just simple improvisation on razor's side, said pattern usage was fixed accordingly).
Also got him a louder soft-hitnormal since the one he had was basically unaudible, and muted the sliderticks since they were unfitting and stood out more, especially in the beginning.
Bubbled!
In short, we went through the whole map, revised the whole "overmapping" thing that was going on until now, made it a bit less overmapped and basically nerfed it a tad on some sections so that it wasn't so overdone (especially on the 1/3 section of the map, which also had some questionable pattern usage that came out to be just simple improvisation on razor's side, said pattern usage was fixed accordingly).
Also got him a louder soft-hitnormal since the one he had was basically unaudible, and muted the sliderticks since they were unfitting and stood out more, especially in the beginning.
chat log
13:27 Razor Sharp: BUBBLED
13:27 Hareimu: what
13:27 Hareimu: did she bub it already
13:27 Razor Sharp: benny bubbled it
13:27 Hareimu: wew
13:27 Hareimu: nice
13:27 Razor Sharp: i removed the sliders on the intro
13:27 Hareimu: now if only I could heart it
13:27 Razor Sharp: ;_;
13:29 Razor Sharp: oh
13:29 Razor Sharp: OH
13:29 Razor Sharp: you rebubble, then benny heart she said
13:30 Hareimu: so... you're gonna pop the bubble?
13:30 Razor Sharp: let me ask her
13:31 Razor Sharp: ok
13:31 Razor Sharp: so
13:31 Razor Sharp: you mod, i reupload (aka bubble pop), then you rebub
13:31 Razor Sharp: then she heart
13:31 Hareimu: link me the map
13:33 *Razor Sharp is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296317 Ata - Euphoria]
13:33 Razor Sharp: iirc mod?
13:37 Hareimu: yea
13:37 Hareimu: lemme testplay it so that I can find any superficial problems first
13:37 Hareimu: then I'll go more in deep
13:38 Razor Sharp: sure
13:42 Hareimu: wew
13:42 Razor Sharp: fun?
13:44 Hareimu: I'm not so sure whether this is completely ready yet or not
13:45 Hareimu: 00:15:976 (1) - first of all, even if this is just the beginning of the map and everything I think the distance between the spinner and the first note should be 1/1 to make reading easier
13:45 Razor Sharp: spinner shortened to closest white tick
13:45 Razor Sharp: 00:18:029 that would be
13:46 Hareimu: I have a slight problem with the hitsounding on the first section
13:46 Hareimu: the soft-hitnormal is really, really low in volume
13:47 Hareimu: the soft-slidertick is way more audible/high in volume and as such, stands out more than the actual important sounds
13:47 Razor Sharp: how do we fix that?
13:47 Hareimu: either amplify the soft-hitnormal with an audio editing program such as audacity
13:47 Hareimu: or get one of those mute .wavs and apply it to the soft-slidertick
13:47 Razor Sharp: find me one if you can
13:47 Hareimu: I'd go for both options myself
13:49 Razor Sharp: idk how to amplify either
13:49 Razor Sharp: xd
13:52 Razor Sharp: also, gonna name the diff "ecstasy" since Euphoria
13:52 Hareimu: kk
13:53 Razor Sharp: shall we focus on the map first, then hitsounds after?
13:53 Hareimu: just a sec
13:53 Razor Sharp: sure
13:56 Hareimu: https://katabami.s-ul.eu/zhypwNHa here
13:56 Hareimu: right click on the audio file and "save as"
13:56 Razor Sharp: ok
13:57 Hareimu: as for the soft-hitnormal
13:59 Hareimu: https://katabami.s-ul.eu/DadktJtf
13:59 Hareimu: here
14:00 Razor Sharp: fixed
14:00 Hareimu: 00:37:923 (1,1) - same as before
14:00 Razor Sharp: just the end or the start too?
14:00 Hareimu: the end
14:00 Hareimu: the start is ok
14:01 Razor Sharp: ok
14:01 Hareimu: you ain't gonna miss anything just because the start is close to the previous object xD
14:01 Razor Sharp: done
14:02 Hareimu: 01:20:871 (1) - idk if this is ok to have here since all of a sudden you stop following the 1/4 rhythms
14:02 Razor Sharp: wanted to empathize the "siren" sound
14:02 Razor Sharp: noone have really complained about it so far
14:02 Hareimu: k
14:03 Hareimu: 01:37:923 (1,2) - I can understand these
14:03 Hareimu: 01:37:607 (3,4) - but these seem out of place for me
14:03 Razor Sharp: shall i make (4) more vertical and move it to the end of (3)?
14:03 Hareimu: the bass sound repeats thrice at 01:37:923 (1,2) - these, so it's justified
14:04 Hareimu: I'd keep the hdash between 3 and 4
14:04 Hareimu: but make it so that it wasn't a staircase
14:04 Razor Sharp: will do
14:04 Hareimu: you could rotate 01:37:607 (3) - by 75º, and move it to x:85 or so
14:05 Hareimu: and then 01:37:765 (4) - move this to x:233 or around there
14:05 Razor Sharp: 01:37:607 (3,4) - placed (3) on x228, straight, and (4) on x76 also straight
14:05 Razor Sharp: if that works
14:06 Hareimu: so basically it produces a left-left movement?
14:06 Razor Sharp: yes
14:06 Razor Sharp: like tap dashes
14:07 Hareimu: 01:52:134 - there is a sound here which you're ignoring
14:07 Hareimu: make 01:51:976 (1) - just a 1/2 slider
14:07 Hareimu: it works well
14:07 Razor Sharp: 01:51:976 (1,2) - still have hyper between?
14:07 Razor Sharp: was that originaly
14:08 Hareimu: yes, those two have hyper in between
14:08 Hareimu: I think you should keep the hdash
14:08 Hareimu: but have (1) to be 1/23
14:08 Hareimu: 1/2*
14:08 Razor Sharp: yeah i know
14:08 Hareimu: 01:54:502 (1,2) - same
14:08 Razor Sharp: ill fix the others that comes later too
14:09 Razor Sharp: fixed
14:09 Hareimu: 02:02:239 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - I sincerely think these are kinda overmapped
14:09 Hareimu: mostly taking into account that you didn't use a 1/8 triplet 02:02:713 (2,3) - here too
14:10 Razor Sharp: would it be best to remove or add then?
14:10 Hareimu: I'd remove the objects that are in 1/8
14:10 Razor Sharp: sure
14:11 Razor Sharp: done
14:13 Hareimu: 01:30:660 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think these are following the sounds in the wrong way
14:14 Hareimu: 01:30:779 - there is a sound here, and then 01:30:818 (6,7,8) - these should be 1/6
14:14 Razor Sharp: suggestion for timeline?
14:15 Hareimu: 01:30:660 - 01:30:700 - 01:30:739 - 01:30:779 - 01:30:818 - 01:30:871 - 01:30:923 - all those timestamps should have notes
14:15 Hareimu: if you wanna simplify though, you can skip 01:30:779 this one
14:15 Razor Sharp: yeah good
14:15 Razor Sharp: im just snapping 01:30:818 (6,7,8) - to 1/6 then
14:15 Hareimu: just a sec, switching pcs
14:16 Razor Sharp: no need to change pattern
----- Second log, changed PCs because of some personal issues -----
14:21 Razor Sharp: wb
14:21 Hareimu: yee
14:21 Hareimu: link me the map again
14:21 *Razor Sharp is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296317 Ata - Euphoria [Ecstasy]]
14:25 Hareimu: did you update it?
14:25 Razor Sharp: no
14:25 Razor Sharp: i was thining of waiting till we are done
14:25 Hareimu: kk
14:26 Hareimu: but why is the diffname changed o.O
14:26 Razor Sharp: cuz i changed it without updating XD
14:26 Razor Sharp: i even told you i would change it xd
14:27 Hareimu: 00:53:397 (3) - I think it would be best to have the distance between this and p
14:27 Hareimu: the previous/next objects*
14:27 Hareimu: by 1,5x
14:27 Razor Sharp: done
14:28 Hareimu: maybe 1,4x also works better but dunno
14:28 Razor Sharp: no issues in hitting it at 1.5
14:30 Hareimu: kk
14:33 Hareimu: gonna go eat something brb
15:03 Hareimu: back
15:03 Razor Sharp: wbwb
15:03 Hareimu: 01:33:186 (4) - can't hear anything here
15:03 Hareimu: 01:33:225 (4) - *
15:04 Razor Sharp: removed
15:04 Hareimu: 01:39:975 (5,6,7,8) - these should be 1/6 instead, not 1/8
15:05 Hareimu: basically remove one and snap the rest to 1/6
15:05 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:05 Razor Sharp: gonna go take a piss, 2 sec
15:05 Hareimu: kk
15:06 Hareimu: 01:49:331 (2) - can't hear anything here
15:07 Razor Sharp: bk
15:07 Razor Sharp: removed
15:08 Hareimu: 02:00:344 (1) - it'd be nice if this slider was at the right side of the playfield somehow, since the sounds are stronger on the right headphone here
15:08 Razor Sharp: true
15:09 Hareimu: dunno how to do that myself, unless you made 02:00:029 (1) - face the left side completely horizontally and then ctrl+h'd 02:00:344 (1) -
15:09 Razor Sharp: 02:00:029 (1) - moved this too x272, then moved 02:00:344 (1) - too x432 after ctrl+h, then moved 02:00:660 (1) - a bit more left to keep hypers
15:10 Hareimu: 02:00:029 (1) - this is still technically on the right side anyway
15:11 Hareimu: so to emphasize the change of sides, I'd still recommend you to make it completely horizontal and pointing to the left
15:11 Razor Sharp: 01:59:713 (3,4,5,6) - moving this more to the left
15:11 Hareimu: that also works
15:11 Razor Sharp: then placing 02:00:029 (1) - on x224
15:12 Hareimu: remind me if I told you about 02:02:239 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - these already?
15:12 Razor Sharp: no
15:12 Hareimu: (1/8 triplets)
15:12 Razor Sharp: ok let me change
15:12 Razor Sharp: you wanted me to have tripplets?
15:12 Razor Sharp: or was those we removed?
15:13 Hareimu: I think I said that you should remove the 1/8 objects and keep the 1/4 ones
15:13 Razor Sharp: yeah then we have done it
15:13 Hareimu: 02:01:607 (5,6,7,8) - like this
15:13 Razor Sharp: yeah
15:13 Hareimu: 02:03:818 (1,2,3,4) - I'd expect these to be a 1/8 stream
15:14 Razor Sharp: let me fix
15:14 Hareimu: since there is a strong loud pitched sound in the bg
15:14 Hareimu: 02:09:502 (1,2,3) - same for these
15:14 Razor Sharp: yeah
15:15 Razor Sharp: done
15:15 Hareimu: 02:10:804 (2) - remove?
15:15 Hareimu: there is no point in having that standalone 1/8 triplet there
15:15 Razor Sharp: done
15:17 Hareimu: 02:26:239 (1,2) - why the sudden change in directions for these?
15:17 Hareimu: 02:25:607 (1,2,1,2) - should be like these for consistency IMO
15:18 Hareimu: also why is the enable countdown thing enabled? o.O
15:19 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:19 Hareimu: all fixed?
15:19 Razor Sharp: yeah
15:21 Hareimu: 02:29:120 (2,2,6) - delete notes? they don't feel like they belong there
15:21 Hareimu: (there are no sounds on those ticks
15:22 Hareimu: the wubby synth effect starts 02:29:160 - here
15:22 Razor Sharp: I CRASHED
15:22 Razor Sharp: FUCK
15:22 Hareimu: rofl
15:22 Razor Sharp: resend the last thing you said
15:22 Hareimu: 02:29:120 (2,2,6) - delete notes? they don't feel like they belong there
15:22 Razor Sharp: as i can see if it saved
15:23 Razor Sharp: ok it got saved
15:23 Hareimu: so
15:23 Hareimu: did you change that?
15:23 Razor Sharp: yeah
15:23 Razor Sharp: deleted the notes
15:23 Hareimu: kk
15:24 Hareimu: 02:39:422 (4,5) - why isn't there a hdash between these as you were doing until now?
15:24 Hareimu: 02:39:738 (8,1) - same for these
15:25 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:25 Razor Sharp: moved them around a little
15:26 Hareimu: 02:49:292 (1,1) -
15:26 Hareimu: could benefit from a hdash imo
15:26 Hareimu: (in between)
15:26 Razor Sharp: sure
15:26 Hareimu: 02:50:397 (4,1) - same
15:27 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:28 Hareimu: 02:50:555 (1,2,3,4,1) - I see what you are going for here, but having 02:51:186 (1) - to be a complete standstill is kinda lame IMO
15:28 Hareimu: u sure you wanna keep it like that?
15:28 Razor Sharp: yeah i am
15:30 Hareimu: 02:54:660 (2,3) - would you consider to move these to x:416 or so to have an hdash from the previous objects?
15:30 Razor Sharp: sure, can do
15:30 Hareimu: 02:57:502 (5) - x:400?
15:31 Razor Sharp: sure
15:32 Hareimu: 03:04:134 (2) - I think you're missing a hitsound here?
15:32 Razor Sharp: nope
15:33 Razor Sharp: or wait
15:33 Hareimu: shouldn't it have a clap on it's head?
15:33 Razor Sharp: clap added
15:33 Razor Sharp: xd
15:33 Hareimu: there we go
15:33 Hareimu: 03:11:608 (2,1) - a bit more distance between these wouldn't hurt
15:34 Hareimu: to emphasize the strength of (1) compared to 03:11:081 (1) -
15:34 Hareimu: maybe x:364 would work great
15:34 Razor Sharp: sure
15:34 Razor Sharp: yeah that works
15:35 Hareimu: 03:12:344 (2,3,4) - I think the distance between these are a bit too much for a dash?
15:36 Hareimu: can't tell for sure since I'm using a notebook now
15:36 Razor Sharp: always hit then no problem
15:37 Hareimu: perhaps it's because the distances between those three boiz aren't equal
15:37 Hareimu: but dunno
15:37 Hareimu: moving on
15:37 Hareimu: 03:14:765 (2,3) - wew boi no hyper between these?
15:38 Razor Sharp: made then equal
15:38 Razor Sharp: oh shit
15:38 Razor Sharp: let me fix
15:38 Hareimu: kk
15:38 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:40 Hareimu: 03:29:292 (2,3,4,1) - I think the distances between these are a bit too much
15:40 Hareimu: they're literally going from side to side of the screen all of a sudden
15:40 Razor Sharp: koliron just messaged me about them
15:40 Razor Sharp: it is shortened alot
15:40 Hareimu: so you already fixed them?
15:41 Razor Sharp: ye
15:41 Hareimu: 03:29:713 (1,2) - not having hypers between these is intentional?
15:41 Razor Sharp: nope, fixed to hypers now
15:41 Razor Sharp: same on next one
15:42 Hareimu: kk
15:42 Hareimu: 03:32:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - wot
15:42 Razor Sharp: you dont like it? xd
15:42 Hareimu: I don't even know how to catch those
15:42 Hareimu: without feeling that if I catch them properly is out of pure luck
15:43 Hareimu: and not out of skills
15:43 Razor Sharp: you can choose
15:43 Razor Sharp: either tap dash/tap move, or move with the fruit
15:44 Hareimu: it's a really weird pattern usage
15:44 Razor Sharp: want to change it or?
15:44 Hareimu: if I had to choose
15:45 Hareimu: I'd rather use normal patterning as you were using until now
15:45 Hareimu: I can't find a reason to keep them
15:45 Razor Sharp: 03:34:765 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this ok tho?
15:45 Hareimu: they don't make the player move so that they follow the rhythm of the song in any way
15:45 Razor Sharp: true
15:46 Hareimu: did you have a reason yourself?
15:46 Hareimu: or were you trying to make new patterns out of pure improvisation?
15:46 Razor Sharp: the last thing yes
15:47 Hareimu: also 03:34:449 (4) - this note is really underemphasized as is rn
15:47 Razor Sharp: i changed it dont worry
15:48 Razor Sharp: its now a basic left right section with hypers every stance
15:48 Hareimu: there is a distinct high-pitched synth sound there that should have been emphasized with an hyper
15:48 Hareimu: or with a stronger one, if you use a hyper every white tick
15:48 Razor Sharp: i did
15:48 Hareimu: as for 03:34:765 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
15:49 Hareimu: I'd let you keep them if you changed 03:35:713 (3,4,3,4) - these
15:49 Hareimu: to be more catchable
15:49 Hareimu: 03:30:660 (2) - like this slider
15:50 Razor Sharp: the whole section there is changed
15:50 Razor Sharp: has hyper every white tick
15:50 Hareimu: kk
15:50 Hareimu: 03:41:081 (1,2,1,2) - I'm not so sure about these four sliders
15:50 Hareimu: 03:41:081 (1,2) - I'd ctrl+g these individually
15:51 Razor Sharp: sure
15:52 Hareimu: 04:02:081 (2) - move this to x:427?
15:52 Razor Sharp: ok
15:53 Hareimu: 04:06:344 (1,2,3) - for the sake of a gimmick you could place these to the left side of the playfield since the sounds are stronger on the left headphone
15:54 Razor Sharp: how do you want me to move (1)?
15:55 Hareimu: 04:06:029 (3,4) - maybe move (3) more to the right, and either ctrl+h (4) and place it around the centre of the playfield
15:55 Hareimu: or make it completely horizontal pointing to the left and in the center as well
15:55 Hareimu: and then ctrl+h'd 04:06:344 (1,2) - these two
15:56 Hareimu: and moved the head of 04:06:502 (2) - to the head of 04:06:344 (1) -
15:56 Razor Sharp: so 04:06:344 (1,2) - is same pattern as 04:06:660 (3,4) - ?
15:56 Razor Sharp: just inverted?
15:56 Hareimu: yeah
15:57 Razor Sharp: ok
15:57 Hareimu: also 04:06:187 (4) - make this horizontal on second thought
15:57 Hareimu: it's way too overshootable if it's vertical
15:57 Razor Sharp: i did
15:58 Hareimu: 04:21:818 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - I don't like how this flows
15:58 Razor Sharp: shall i make the burst into a curve?
15:58 Hareimu: (6) is really overshootable and if you somehow manage to catch it then you're guaranteed to shitmiss the first half of the burst
15:58 Hareimu: yeah, a curve works best
15:59 Razor Sharp: ok done
16:00 Hareimu: 04:28:134 (3) - move to x:386?
16:00 Hareimu: distance is too strong rn
16:00 Razor Sharp: sure
16:01 Hareimu: 04:30:976 (1,2) - make this into a sharp curve instead? too unexpected
16:02 Razor Sharp: fixed
16:03 Hareimu: 04:41:397 (8,9) - considering the antiflow staircase that appeared before this, the pattern is really overshootable
16:03 Razor Sharp: make a curve instead i guess
16:03 Razor Sharp: or no
16:03 Razor Sharp: http://prntscr.com/hmm1ri
16:03 Razor Sharp: this works?
16:04 Hareimu: I guess it does
16:04 Razor Sharp: sweet
16:04 Hareimu: 04:42:541 (3) - delete note? no sounds to emphasize there
16:04 Razor Sharp: sure
16:05 Hareimu: 04:44:871 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - what are these lmao
16:05 Razor Sharp: OH FUCK LOL LET ME RECURVE AHAHAA
16:05 Hareimu: the first three notes are really overshootable aaaaaaaaaaaa
16:06 Hareimu: 04:46:134 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same
16:06 Razor Sharp: fixed
16:07 Hareimu: 04:47:278 (6,3) - delete notes, sounds are pretty audible on 1/4 beats as to place bursts here
16:07 Razor Sharp: done
16:07 Hareimu: 04:51:186 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - aaaaaaaaaaaa
16:08 Razor Sharp: rotated
16:08 Hareimu: 04:56:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - such antiflow
16:08 Hareimu: much wow
16:08 Hareimu: ctrl+h and place at the same spot?
16:08 Razor Sharp: sure
16:08 Hareimu: a.k.a. ctrl+h and place at x:260
16:09 Razor Sharp: 276*
16:09 Razor Sharp: or no
16:09 Razor Sharp: 260 yeah
16:12 Razor Sharp: final stretch :3
16:12 Hareimu: went to the bath real quick
16:12 Hareimu: back
16:12 Razor Sharp: xd
16:14 Hareimu: 04:57:344 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - antiflow here is kinda too strong?
16:14 Razor Sharp: not really i think
16:14 Razor Sharp: it isnt hard to hit at all
16:15 Hareimu: 05:06:029 (3) - make completely horizontal pointing to the left?
16:15 Hareimu: 05:06:186 (4) - then make completely horizontal pointing to the right?
16:15 Hareimu: flows better and isn't such a weird movement to make
16:16 Razor Sharp: sure
16:16 Hareimu: 05:06:344 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - move to x:383?
16:17 Hareimu: works a lot better
16:17 Razor Sharp: yeah it does
16:17 Razor Sharp: fixed
16:17 Hareimu: 05:08:397 (2,3,4) - almost edgedashes, reduce distancing?
16:17 Hareimu: 1,5x works
16:17 Hareimu: 1,6x at most
16:17 Hareimu: 05:10:133 (5,6,7) - same
16:18 Razor Sharp: fixed both
16:18 Razor Sharp: x1.5
16:19 Hareimu: 05:12:818 (2,3) - make the distance between these two to be 1,5x by moving (2)'s tail
16:19 Razor Sharp: sure
16:20 Hareimu: or simply make 05:12:029 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - all these to be sliders pointing outwards instead of inwards for better flow
16:20 Hareimu: they still work as a decrescendo pattern that way anyway
16:20 Razor Sharp: keeping them as they are if its ok tho
16:20 Razor Sharp: but changed the distance as suggested
16:21 Hareimu: it's just the fact that 05:12:818 (2,3,4) - these look kinda ugly stacked that way together
16:22 Razor Sharp: ok made them point outwards
16:22 Razor Sharp: it made the stack look prettier for some reason lol
16:22 Razor Sharp: even tho i didnt touch the stack
16:23 Hareimu: 05:26:081 - you could add a spinner that started here and finished 05:28:450 - here
16:23 Hareimu: and possibly even another one that started 05:28:607 - here and finished 05:30:976 - here
16:23 Razor Sharp: is that ok?
16:23 Hareimu: I think it is
16:23 Razor Sharp: shouldnt i just extend the spinner?
16:23 Hareimu: as you wish
16:24 Hareimu: but to have it to be longer is way better
16:24 Razor Sharp: ill extend it to 5:30
16:24 Razor Sharp: yeah
16:25 Razor Sharp: the spinner is extended to 05:30:976-
16:25 Razor Sharp: ffs bookmark -.-
16:26 Razor Sharp: was that all? want me to upload?
16:27 Razor Sharp: maybe resize bg, let me do that
16:27 Hareimu: kk
16:27 Hareimu: lemme open it with modding assistant/navosu to check everything is ok
16:29 Razor Sharp: bg fixed
16:35 Hareimu: nothing wrong to be seen yet
16:35 Hareimu: please update the map
16:35 Razor Sharp: will do
16:35 Hareimu: tell me when you're ready
16:35 Razor Sharp: remember to re-dl the whole thing btw, since new files etc
16:35 Hareimu: yeah
16:36 Razor Sharp: updated
16:36 Hareimu: redling
16:38 Hareimu: 00:15:976 - delete this green line
16:38 Razor Sharp: done
16:38 Hareimu: set the red line's volume to 40 instead
16:39 Razor Sharp: done
16:39 Hareimu: 00:27:818 - delete green line, volume shouldn't rise here IMO
16:39 Hareimu: 00:45:502 - it should do so here
16:40 Razor Sharp: done
16:41 Hareimu: 00:35:397 (1) - make the slider finish 00:37:607 - here?
16:41 Hareimu: it's better to make it finish on a strong bea
16:41 Hareimu: t
16:41 Razor Sharp: done
16:42 Hareimu: maybe lower the volume to 55 or so 00:33:502 - here? hitsounds are pretty loud
16:42 Razor Sharp: done
16:44 Hareimu: 00:59:397 - lower it to 40% here and delete 01:01:133 (5) - this one?
16:44 Hareimu: since the sounds are really low in volume there, having such high volume hitsounds doesn't sound right
16:44 Razor Sharp: delete the note?
16:44 Hareimu: no no
16:44 Hareimu: wait what
16:44 Hareimu: oh shit
16:45 Hareimu: fucking selection
16:45 Hareimu: 01:00:660 - I meant this one
16:45 Razor Sharp: sure
16:45 Razor Sharp: done
16:46 Hareimu: 03:42:344 - lower the volume here to 75%?
16:47 Razor Sharp: done
16:47 Hareimu: 04:01:923 - and increase it back here instead
16:47 Razor Sharp: done
16:47 Hareimu: (up to 100%)
16:48 Razor Sharp: i know
16:48 Hareimu: 05:30:976 - add a green line here with 5% volume?
16:48 Razor Sharp: done
16:48 Hareimu: update again
16:49 Razor Sharp: done
16:50 Hareimu: 05:20:871 (1) - what are the green lines inside the slider for?
16:51 Razor Sharp: well it was volume changes for the ticks
16:51 Razor Sharp: but then u muted them
16:51 Razor Sharp: ill remove them
16:51 Hareimu: kk
16:51 Razor Sharp: removed all but the one on the slider tail
16:51 Hareimu: that should be it I think
16:51 Hareimu: update again and lemme review the map
16:52 Razor Sharp: done
16:54 Hareimu: 00:33:344 (4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - uh, I'm not so sure about these
16:54 Hareimu: why is it 1/2 rhythms all of a sudden?
16:55 Razor Sharp: what shall i do instead?
16:55 Hareimu: I'd say keep on using 1/1 sliders until the big long 00:35:397 (1) -
16:55 Hareimu: there is no reason to vary the rhythm so suddenly
16:55 Razor Sharp: ok
16:56 Hareimu: tell me when you're finished
16:56 Razor Sharp: fixed
17:02 Razor Sharp: anything else?
17:02 Hareimu: everything seems to be a-ok
17:02 Razor Sharp: uploading
17:02 Hareimu: 05:08:871 (5) - move to x:363?
17:02 Razor Sharp: sure
17:02 Hareimu: just so that you can have that sweet gradient of distancing
17:03 Razor Sharp: updating
17:03 Hareimu: 05:09:975 (4) - this to x:155 and 05:10:291 (6) - to x:124
17:03 Razor Sharp: ffs
17:03 Razor Sharp: xd
17:03 Hareimu: lmao
17:03 Razor Sharp: ok done
17:04 Razor Sharp: shall i update or is there more?
17:04 Hareimu: there is nothing more now I believe
17:04 Hareimu: not this time
17:04 Razor Sharp: updating
17:04 Razor Sharp: ehh
17:04 Razor Sharp: updated
17:05 Hareimu: there we go
17:05 Hareimu: did you delete something by accident or something?
17:05 Razor Sharp: no
17:05 Razor Sharp: why?
17:05 Hareimu: I updated and the object count went down by 1
17:05 Razor Sharp: oh fuck
17:05 Razor Sharp: let me check
17:06 Razor Sharp: ah it was the note between 00:32:871 (3,1) -
17:06 Hareimu: aaaah kk
17:07 Hareimu: 04:29:634 - wasn't there an object here?
17:07 Razor Sharp: OH FUCK IT WAS
17:07 Hareimu: adding one doesn't seem to be like a bad idea anyway
17:07 Razor Sharp: added it back
17:07 Razor Sharp: fuck
17:08 Razor Sharp: updating
17:08 Razor Sharp: done
17:08 Hareimu: there we go
17:09 Hareimu: checking it with both assistants once again just in case, brb
17:09 Razor Sharp: sure
17:09 Hareimu: did you resize the bg back to 1366x768?
17:09 Hareimu: because having it as 1920x1080 was ok too
17:09 Razor Sharp: yeah..
17:10 Hareimu: the guideline for it in both navosu and modding assistant is outdated
17:10 Razor Sharp: i see
17:10 Hareimu: so yeah, as you wish
17:10 Hareimu: wanna keep it like this?
17:10 Razor Sharp: yeah
17:10 Hareimu: kk
17:11 Hareimu: nothing wrong apparently
17:11 Hareimu: let's push this, shall we?
17:12 Razor Sharp::D
17:12 Hareimu: update once more just in case if you want
17:12 Razor Sharp: sure
17:13 Razor Sharp: updated
17:13 Hareimu: alright!
17:13 Hareimu: savelogging this
13:27 Hareimu: what
13:27 Hareimu: did she bub it already
13:27 Razor Sharp: benny bubbled it
13:27 Hareimu: wew
13:27 Hareimu: nice
13:27 Razor Sharp: i removed the sliders on the intro
13:27 Hareimu: now if only I could heart it
13:27 Razor Sharp: ;_;
13:29 Razor Sharp: oh
13:29 Razor Sharp: OH
13:29 Razor Sharp: you rebubble, then benny heart she said
13:30 Hareimu: so... you're gonna pop the bubble?
13:30 Razor Sharp: let me ask her
13:31 Razor Sharp: ok
13:31 Razor Sharp: so
13:31 Razor Sharp: you mod, i reupload (aka bubble pop), then you rebub
13:31 Razor Sharp: then she heart
13:31 Hareimu: link me the map
13:33 *Razor Sharp is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296317 Ata - Euphoria]
13:33 Razor Sharp: iirc mod?
13:37 Hareimu: yea
13:37 Hareimu: lemme testplay it so that I can find any superficial problems first
13:37 Hareimu: then I'll go more in deep
13:38 Razor Sharp: sure
13:42 Hareimu: wew
13:42 Razor Sharp: fun?
13:44 Hareimu: I'm not so sure whether this is completely ready yet or not
13:45 Hareimu: 00:15:976 (1) - first of all, even if this is just the beginning of the map and everything I think the distance between the spinner and the first note should be 1/1 to make reading easier
13:45 Razor Sharp: spinner shortened to closest white tick
13:45 Razor Sharp: 00:18:029 that would be
13:46 Hareimu: I have a slight problem with the hitsounding on the first section
13:46 Hareimu: the soft-hitnormal is really, really low in volume
13:47 Hareimu: the soft-slidertick is way more audible/high in volume and as such, stands out more than the actual important sounds
13:47 Razor Sharp: how do we fix that?
13:47 Hareimu: either amplify the soft-hitnormal with an audio editing program such as audacity
13:47 Hareimu: or get one of those mute .wavs and apply it to the soft-slidertick
13:47 Razor Sharp: find me one if you can
13:47 Hareimu: I'd go for both options myself
13:49 Razor Sharp: idk how to amplify either
13:49 Razor Sharp: xd
13:52 Razor Sharp: also, gonna name the diff "ecstasy" since Euphoria
13:52 Hareimu: kk
13:53 Razor Sharp: shall we focus on the map first, then hitsounds after?
13:53 Hareimu: just a sec
13:53 Razor Sharp: sure
13:56 Hareimu: https://katabami.s-ul.eu/zhypwNHa here
13:56 Hareimu: right click on the audio file and "save as"
13:56 Razor Sharp: ok
13:57 Hareimu: as for the soft-hitnormal
13:59 Hareimu: https://katabami.s-ul.eu/DadktJtf
13:59 Hareimu: here
14:00 Razor Sharp: fixed
14:00 Hareimu: 00:37:923 (1,1) - same as before
14:00 Razor Sharp: just the end or the start too?
14:00 Hareimu: the end
14:00 Hareimu: the start is ok
14:01 Razor Sharp: ok
14:01 Hareimu: you ain't gonna miss anything just because the start is close to the previous object xD
14:01 Razor Sharp: done
14:02 Hareimu: 01:20:871 (1) - idk if this is ok to have here since all of a sudden you stop following the 1/4 rhythms
14:02 Razor Sharp: wanted to empathize the "siren" sound
14:02 Razor Sharp: noone have really complained about it so far
14:02 Hareimu: k
14:03 Hareimu: 01:37:923 (1,2) - I can understand these
14:03 Hareimu: 01:37:607 (3,4) - but these seem out of place for me
14:03 Razor Sharp: shall i make (4) more vertical and move it to the end of (3)?
14:03 Hareimu: the bass sound repeats thrice at 01:37:923 (1,2) - these, so it's justified
14:04 Hareimu: I'd keep the hdash between 3 and 4
14:04 Hareimu: but make it so that it wasn't a staircase
14:04 Razor Sharp: will do
14:04 Hareimu: you could rotate 01:37:607 (3) - by 75º, and move it to x:85 or so
14:05 Hareimu: and then 01:37:765 (4) - move this to x:233 or around there
14:05 Razor Sharp: 01:37:607 (3,4) - placed (3) on x228, straight, and (4) on x76 also straight
14:05 Razor Sharp: if that works
14:06 Hareimu: so basically it produces a left-left movement?
14:06 Razor Sharp: yes
14:06 Razor Sharp: like tap dashes
14:07 Hareimu: 01:52:134 - there is a sound here which you're ignoring
14:07 Hareimu: make 01:51:976 (1) - just a 1/2 slider
14:07 Hareimu: it works well
14:07 Razor Sharp: 01:51:976 (1,2) - still have hyper between?
14:07 Razor Sharp: was that originaly
14:08 Hareimu: yes, those two have hyper in between
14:08 Hareimu: I think you should keep the hdash
14:08 Hareimu: but have (1) to be 1/23
14:08 Hareimu: 1/2*
14:08 Razor Sharp: yeah i know
14:08 Hareimu: 01:54:502 (1,2) - same
14:08 Razor Sharp: ill fix the others that comes later too
14:09 Razor Sharp: fixed
14:09 Hareimu: 02:02:239 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - I sincerely think these are kinda overmapped
14:09 Hareimu: mostly taking into account that you didn't use a 1/8 triplet 02:02:713 (2,3) - here too
14:10 Razor Sharp: would it be best to remove or add then?
14:10 Hareimu: I'd remove the objects that are in 1/8
14:10 Razor Sharp: sure
14:11 Razor Sharp: done
14:13 Hareimu: 01:30:660 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think these are following the sounds in the wrong way
14:14 Hareimu: 01:30:779 - there is a sound here, and then 01:30:818 (6,7,8) - these should be 1/6
14:14 Razor Sharp: suggestion for timeline?
14:15 Hareimu: 01:30:660 - 01:30:700 - 01:30:739 - 01:30:779 - 01:30:818 - 01:30:871 - 01:30:923 - all those timestamps should have notes
14:15 Hareimu: if you wanna simplify though, you can skip 01:30:779 this one
14:15 Razor Sharp: yeah good
14:15 Razor Sharp: im just snapping 01:30:818 (6,7,8) - to 1/6 then
14:15 Hareimu: just a sec, switching pcs
14:16 Razor Sharp: no need to change pattern
----- Second log, changed PCs because of some personal issues -----
14:21 Razor Sharp: wb
14:21 Hareimu: yee
14:21 Hareimu: link me the map again
14:21 *Razor Sharp is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296317 Ata - Euphoria [Ecstasy]]
14:25 Hareimu: did you update it?
14:25 Razor Sharp: no
14:25 Razor Sharp: i was thining of waiting till we are done
14:25 Hareimu: kk
14:26 Hareimu: but why is the diffname changed o.O
14:26 Razor Sharp: cuz i changed it without updating XD
14:26 Razor Sharp: i even told you i would change it xd
14:27 Hareimu: 00:53:397 (3) - I think it would be best to have the distance between this and p
14:27 Hareimu: the previous/next objects*
14:27 Hareimu: by 1,5x
14:27 Razor Sharp: done
14:28 Hareimu: maybe 1,4x also works better but dunno
14:28 Razor Sharp: no issues in hitting it at 1.5
14:30 Hareimu: kk
14:33 Hareimu: gonna go eat something brb
15:03 Hareimu: back
15:03 Razor Sharp: wbwb
15:03 Hareimu: 01:33:186 (4) - can't hear anything here
15:03 Hareimu: 01:33:225 (4) - *
15:04 Razor Sharp: removed
15:04 Hareimu: 01:39:975 (5,6,7,8) - these should be 1/6 instead, not 1/8
15:05 Hareimu: basically remove one and snap the rest to 1/6
15:05 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:05 Razor Sharp: gonna go take a piss, 2 sec
15:05 Hareimu: kk
15:06 Hareimu: 01:49:331 (2) - can't hear anything here
15:07 Razor Sharp: bk
15:07 Razor Sharp: removed
15:08 Hareimu: 02:00:344 (1) - it'd be nice if this slider was at the right side of the playfield somehow, since the sounds are stronger on the right headphone here
15:08 Razor Sharp: true
15:09 Hareimu: dunno how to do that myself, unless you made 02:00:029 (1) - face the left side completely horizontally and then ctrl+h'd 02:00:344 (1) -
15:09 Razor Sharp: 02:00:029 (1) - moved this too x272, then moved 02:00:344 (1) - too x432 after ctrl+h, then moved 02:00:660 (1) - a bit more left to keep hypers
15:10 Hareimu: 02:00:029 (1) - this is still technically on the right side anyway
15:11 Hareimu: so to emphasize the change of sides, I'd still recommend you to make it completely horizontal and pointing to the left
15:11 Razor Sharp: 01:59:713 (3,4,5,6) - moving this more to the left
15:11 Hareimu: that also works
15:11 Razor Sharp: then placing 02:00:029 (1) - on x224
15:12 Hareimu: remind me if I told you about 02:02:239 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - these already?
15:12 Razor Sharp: no
15:12 Hareimu: (1/8 triplets)
15:12 Razor Sharp: ok let me change
15:12 Razor Sharp: you wanted me to have tripplets?
15:12 Razor Sharp: or was those we removed?
15:13 Hareimu: I think I said that you should remove the 1/8 objects and keep the 1/4 ones
15:13 Razor Sharp: yeah then we have done it
15:13 Hareimu: 02:01:607 (5,6,7,8) - like this
15:13 Razor Sharp: yeah
15:13 Hareimu: 02:03:818 (1,2,3,4) - I'd expect these to be a 1/8 stream
15:14 Razor Sharp: let me fix
15:14 Hareimu: since there is a strong loud pitched sound in the bg
15:14 Hareimu: 02:09:502 (1,2,3) - same for these
15:14 Razor Sharp: yeah
15:15 Razor Sharp: done
15:15 Hareimu: 02:10:804 (2) - remove?
15:15 Hareimu: there is no point in having that standalone 1/8 triplet there
15:15 Razor Sharp: done
15:17 Hareimu: 02:26:239 (1,2) - why the sudden change in directions for these?
15:17 Hareimu: 02:25:607 (1,2,1,2) - should be like these for consistency IMO
15:18 Hareimu: also why is the enable countdown thing enabled? o.O
15:19 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:19 Hareimu: all fixed?
15:19 Razor Sharp: yeah
15:21 Hareimu: 02:29:120 (2,2,6) - delete notes? they don't feel like they belong there
15:21 Hareimu: (there are no sounds on those ticks
15:22 Hareimu: the wubby synth effect starts 02:29:160 - here
15:22 Razor Sharp: I CRASHED
15:22 Razor Sharp: FUCK
15:22 Hareimu: rofl
15:22 Razor Sharp: resend the last thing you said
15:22 Hareimu: 02:29:120 (2,2,6) - delete notes? they don't feel like they belong there
15:22 Razor Sharp: as i can see if it saved
15:23 Razor Sharp: ok it got saved
15:23 Hareimu: so
15:23 Hareimu: did you change that?
15:23 Razor Sharp: yeah
15:23 Razor Sharp: deleted the notes
15:23 Hareimu: kk
15:24 Hareimu: 02:39:422 (4,5) - why isn't there a hdash between these as you were doing until now?
15:24 Hareimu: 02:39:738 (8,1) - same for these
15:25 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:25 Razor Sharp: moved them around a little
15:26 Hareimu: 02:49:292 (1,1) -
15:26 Hareimu: could benefit from a hdash imo
15:26 Hareimu: (in between)
15:26 Razor Sharp: sure
15:26 Hareimu: 02:50:397 (4,1) - same
15:27 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:28 Hareimu: 02:50:555 (1,2,3,4,1) - I see what you are going for here, but having 02:51:186 (1) - to be a complete standstill is kinda lame IMO
15:28 Hareimu: u sure you wanna keep it like that?
15:28 Razor Sharp: yeah i am
15:30 Hareimu: 02:54:660 (2,3) - would you consider to move these to x:416 or so to have an hdash from the previous objects?
15:30 Razor Sharp: sure, can do
15:30 Hareimu: 02:57:502 (5) - x:400?
15:31 Razor Sharp: sure
15:32 Hareimu: 03:04:134 (2) - I think you're missing a hitsound here?
15:32 Razor Sharp: nope
15:33 Razor Sharp: or wait
15:33 Hareimu: shouldn't it have a clap on it's head?
15:33 Razor Sharp: clap added
15:33 Razor Sharp: xd
15:33 Hareimu: there we go
15:33 Hareimu: 03:11:608 (2,1) - a bit more distance between these wouldn't hurt
15:34 Hareimu: to emphasize the strength of (1) compared to 03:11:081 (1) -
15:34 Hareimu: maybe x:364 would work great
15:34 Razor Sharp: sure
15:34 Razor Sharp: yeah that works
15:35 Hareimu: 03:12:344 (2,3,4) - I think the distance between these are a bit too much for a dash?
15:36 Hareimu: can't tell for sure since I'm using a notebook now
15:36 Razor Sharp: always hit then no problem
15:37 Hareimu: perhaps it's because the distances between those three boiz aren't equal
15:37 Hareimu: but dunno
15:37 Hareimu: moving on
15:37 Hareimu: 03:14:765 (2,3) - wew boi no hyper between these?
15:38 Razor Sharp: made then equal
15:38 Razor Sharp: oh shit
15:38 Razor Sharp: let me fix
15:38 Hareimu: kk
15:38 Razor Sharp: fixed
15:40 Hareimu: 03:29:292 (2,3,4,1) - I think the distances between these are a bit too much
15:40 Hareimu: they're literally going from side to side of the screen all of a sudden
15:40 Razor Sharp: koliron just messaged me about them
15:40 Razor Sharp: it is shortened alot
15:40 Hareimu: so you already fixed them?
15:41 Razor Sharp: ye
15:41 Hareimu: 03:29:713 (1,2) - not having hypers between these is intentional?
15:41 Razor Sharp: nope, fixed to hypers now
15:41 Razor Sharp: same on next one
15:42 Hareimu: kk
15:42 Hareimu: 03:32:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - wot
15:42 Razor Sharp: you dont like it? xd
15:42 Hareimu: I don't even know how to catch those
15:42 Hareimu: without feeling that if I catch them properly is out of pure luck
15:43 Hareimu: and not out of skills
15:43 Razor Sharp: you can choose
15:43 Razor Sharp: either tap dash/tap move, or move with the fruit
15:44 Hareimu: it's a really weird pattern usage
15:44 Razor Sharp: want to change it or?
15:44 Hareimu: if I had to choose
15:45 Hareimu: I'd rather use normal patterning as you were using until now
15:45 Hareimu: I can't find a reason to keep them
15:45 Razor Sharp: 03:34:765 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this ok tho?
15:45 Hareimu: they don't make the player move so that they follow the rhythm of the song in any way
15:45 Razor Sharp: true
15:46 Hareimu: did you have a reason yourself?
15:46 Hareimu: or were you trying to make new patterns out of pure improvisation?
15:46 Razor Sharp: the last thing yes
15:47 Hareimu: also 03:34:449 (4) - this note is really underemphasized as is rn
15:47 Razor Sharp: i changed it dont worry
15:48 Razor Sharp: its now a basic left right section with hypers every stance
15:48 Hareimu: there is a distinct high-pitched synth sound there that should have been emphasized with an hyper
15:48 Hareimu: or with a stronger one, if you use a hyper every white tick
15:48 Razor Sharp: i did
15:48 Hareimu: as for 03:34:765 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
15:49 Hareimu: I'd let you keep them if you changed 03:35:713 (3,4,3,4) - these
15:49 Hareimu: to be more catchable
15:49 Hareimu: 03:30:660 (2) - like this slider
15:50 Razor Sharp: the whole section there is changed
15:50 Razor Sharp: has hyper every white tick
15:50 Hareimu: kk
15:50 Hareimu: 03:41:081 (1,2,1,2) - I'm not so sure about these four sliders
15:50 Hareimu: 03:41:081 (1,2) - I'd ctrl+g these individually
15:51 Razor Sharp: sure
15:52 Hareimu: 04:02:081 (2) - move this to x:427?
15:52 Razor Sharp: ok
15:53 Hareimu: 04:06:344 (1,2,3) - for the sake of a gimmick you could place these to the left side of the playfield since the sounds are stronger on the left headphone
15:54 Razor Sharp: how do you want me to move (1)?
15:55 Hareimu: 04:06:029 (3,4) - maybe move (3) more to the right, and either ctrl+h (4) and place it around the centre of the playfield
15:55 Hareimu: or make it completely horizontal pointing to the left and in the center as well
15:55 Hareimu: and then ctrl+h'd 04:06:344 (1,2) - these two
15:56 Hareimu: and moved the head of 04:06:502 (2) - to the head of 04:06:344 (1) -
15:56 Razor Sharp: so 04:06:344 (1,2) - is same pattern as 04:06:660 (3,4) - ?
15:56 Razor Sharp: just inverted?
15:56 Hareimu: yeah
15:57 Razor Sharp: ok
15:57 Hareimu: also 04:06:187 (4) - make this horizontal on second thought
15:57 Hareimu: it's way too overshootable if it's vertical
15:57 Razor Sharp: i did
15:58 Hareimu: 04:21:818 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - I don't like how this flows
15:58 Razor Sharp: shall i make the burst into a curve?
15:58 Hareimu: (6) is really overshootable and if you somehow manage to catch it then you're guaranteed to shitmiss the first half of the burst
15:58 Hareimu: yeah, a curve works best
15:59 Razor Sharp: ok done
16:00 Hareimu: 04:28:134 (3) - move to x:386?
16:00 Hareimu: distance is too strong rn
16:00 Razor Sharp: sure
16:01 Hareimu: 04:30:976 (1,2) - make this into a sharp curve instead? too unexpected
16:02 Razor Sharp: fixed
16:03 Hareimu: 04:41:397 (8,9) - considering the antiflow staircase that appeared before this, the pattern is really overshootable
16:03 Razor Sharp: make a curve instead i guess
16:03 Razor Sharp: or no
16:03 Razor Sharp: http://prntscr.com/hmm1ri
16:03 Razor Sharp: this works?
16:04 Hareimu: I guess it does
16:04 Razor Sharp: sweet
16:04 Hareimu: 04:42:541 (3) - delete note? no sounds to emphasize there
16:04 Razor Sharp: sure
16:05 Hareimu: 04:44:871 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - what are these lmao
16:05 Razor Sharp: OH FUCK LOL LET ME RECURVE AHAHAA
16:05 Hareimu: the first three notes are really overshootable aaaaaaaaaaaa
16:06 Hareimu: 04:46:134 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same
16:06 Razor Sharp: fixed
16:07 Hareimu: 04:47:278 (6,3) - delete notes, sounds are pretty audible on 1/4 beats as to place bursts here
16:07 Razor Sharp: done
16:07 Hareimu: 04:51:186 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - aaaaaaaaaaaa
16:08 Razor Sharp: rotated
16:08 Hareimu: 04:56:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - such antiflow
16:08 Hareimu: much wow
16:08 Hareimu: ctrl+h and place at the same spot?
16:08 Razor Sharp: sure
16:08 Hareimu: a.k.a. ctrl+h and place at x:260
16:09 Razor Sharp: 276*
16:09 Razor Sharp: or no
16:09 Razor Sharp: 260 yeah
16:12 Razor Sharp: final stretch :3
16:12 Hareimu: went to the bath real quick
16:12 Hareimu: back
16:12 Razor Sharp: xd
16:14 Hareimu: 04:57:344 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - antiflow here is kinda too strong?
16:14 Razor Sharp: not really i think
16:14 Razor Sharp: it isnt hard to hit at all
16:15 Hareimu: 05:06:029 (3) - make completely horizontal pointing to the left?
16:15 Hareimu: 05:06:186 (4) - then make completely horizontal pointing to the right?
16:15 Hareimu: flows better and isn't such a weird movement to make
16:16 Razor Sharp: sure
16:16 Hareimu: 05:06:344 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - move to x:383?
16:17 Hareimu: works a lot better
16:17 Razor Sharp: yeah it does
16:17 Razor Sharp: fixed
16:17 Hareimu: 05:08:397 (2,3,4) - almost edgedashes, reduce distancing?
16:17 Hareimu: 1,5x works
16:17 Hareimu: 1,6x at most
16:17 Hareimu: 05:10:133 (5,6,7) - same
16:18 Razor Sharp: fixed both
16:18 Razor Sharp: x1.5
16:19 Hareimu: 05:12:818 (2,3) - make the distance between these two to be 1,5x by moving (2)'s tail
16:19 Razor Sharp: sure
16:20 Hareimu: or simply make 05:12:029 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - all these to be sliders pointing outwards instead of inwards for better flow
16:20 Hareimu: they still work as a decrescendo pattern that way anyway
16:20 Razor Sharp: keeping them as they are if its ok tho
16:20 Razor Sharp: but changed the distance as suggested
16:21 Hareimu: it's just the fact that 05:12:818 (2,3,4) - these look kinda ugly stacked that way together
16:22 Razor Sharp: ok made them point outwards
16:22 Razor Sharp: it made the stack look prettier for some reason lol
16:22 Razor Sharp: even tho i didnt touch the stack
16:23 Hareimu: 05:26:081 - you could add a spinner that started here and finished 05:28:450 - here
16:23 Hareimu: and possibly even another one that started 05:28:607 - here and finished 05:30:976 - here
16:23 Razor Sharp: is that ok?
16:23 Hareimu: I think it is
16:23 Razor Sharp: shouldnt i just extend the spinner?
16:23 Hareimu: as you wish
16:24 Hareimu: but to have it to be longer is way better
16:24 Razor Sharp: ill extend it to 5:30
16:24 Razor Sharp: yeah
16:25 Razor Sharp: the spinner is extended to 05:30:976-
16:25 Razor Sharp: ffs bookmark -.-
16:26 Razor Sharp: was that all? want me to upload?
16:27 Razor Sharp: maybe resize bg, let me do that
16:27 Hareimu: kk
16:27 Hareimu: lemme open it with modding assistant/navosu to check everything is ok
16:29 Razor Sharp: bg fixed
16:35 Hareimu: nothing wrong to be seen yet
16:35 Hareimu: please update the map
16:35 Razor Sharp: will do
16:35 Hareimu: tell me when you're ready
16:35 Razor Sharp: remember to re-dl the whole thing btw, since new files etc
16:35 Hareimu: yeah
16:36 Razor Sharp: updated
16:36 Hareimu: redling
16:38 Hareimu: 00:15:976 - delete this green line
16:38 Razor Sharp: done
16:38 Hareimu: set the red line's volume to 40 instead
16:39 Razor Sharp: done
16:39 Hareimu: 00:27:818 - delete green line, volume shouldn't rise here IMO
16:39 Hareimu: 00:45:502 - it should do so here
16:40 Razor Sharp: done
16:41 Hareimu: 00:35:397 (1) - make the slider finish 00:37:607 - here?
16:41 Hareimu: it's better to make it finish on a strong bea
16:41 Hareimu: t
16:41 Razor Sharp: done
16:42 Hareimu: maybe lower the volume to 55 or so 00:33:502 - here? hitsounds are pretty loud
16:42 Razor Sharp: done
16:44 Hareimu: 00:59:397 - lower it to 40% here and delete 01:01:133 (5) - this one?
16:44 Hareimu: since the sounds are really low in volume there, having such high volume hitsounds doesn't sound right
16:44 Razor Sharp: delete the note?
16:44 Hareimu: no no
16:44 Hareimu: wait what
16:44 Hareimu: oh shit
16:45 Hareimu: fucking selection
16:45 Hareimu: 01:00:660 - I meant this one
16:45 Razor Sharp: sure
16:45 Razor Sharp: done
16:46 Hareimu: 03:42:344 - lower the volume here to 75%?
16:47 Razor Sharp: done
16:47 Hareimu: 04:01:923 - and increase it back here instead
16:47 Razor Sharp: done
16:47 Hareimu: (up to 100%)
16:48 Razor Sharp: i know
16:48 Hareimu: 05:30:976 - add a green line here with 5% volume?
16:48 Razor Sharp: done
16:48 Hareimu: update again
16:49 Razor Sharp: done
16:50 Hareimu: 05:20:871 (1) - what are the green lines inside the slider for?
16:51 Razor Sharp: well it was volume changes for the ticks
16:51 Razor Sharp: but then u muted them
16:51 Razor Sharp: ill remove them
16:51 Hareimu: kk
16:51 Razor Sharp: removed all but the one on the slider tail
16:51 Hareimu: that should be it I think
16:51 Hareimu: update again and lemme review the map
16:52 Razor Sharp: done
16:54 Hareimu: 00:33:344 (4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - uh, I'm not so sure about these
16:54 Hareimu: why is it 1/2 rhythms all of a sudden?
16:55 Razor Sharp: what shall i do instead?
16:55 Hareimu: I'd say keep on using 1/1 sliders until the big long 00:35:397 (1) -
16:55 Hareimu: there is no reason to vary the rhythm so suddenly
16:55 Razor Sharp: ok
16:56 Hareimu: tell me when you're finished
16:56 Razor Sharp: fixed
17:02 Razor Sharp: anything else?
17:02 Hareimu: everything seems to be a-ok
17:02 Razor Sharp: uploading
17:02 Hareimu: 05:08:871 (5) - move to x:363?
17:02 Razor Sharp: sure
17:02 Hareimu: just so that you can have that sweet gradient of distancing
17:03 Razor Sharp: updating
17:03 Hareimu: 05:09:975 (4) - this to x:155 and 05:10:291 (6) - to x:124
17:03 Razor Sharp: ffs
17:03 Razor Sharp: xd
17:03 Hareimu: lmao
17:03 Razor Sharp: ok done
17:04 Razor Sharp: shall i update or is there more?
17:04 Hareimu: there is nothing more now I believe
17:04 Hareimu: not this time
17:04 Razor Sharp: updating
17:04 Razor Sharp: ehh
17:04 Razor Sharp: updated
17:05 Hareimu: there we go
17:05 Hareimu: did you delete something by accident or something?
17:05 Razor Sharp: no
17:05 Razor Sharp: why?
17:05 Hareimu: I updated and the object count went down by 1
17:05 Razor Sharp: oh fuck
17:05 Razor Sharp: let me check
17:06 Razor Sharp: ah it was the note between 00:32:871 (3,1) -
17:06 Hareimu: aaaah kk
17:07 Hareimu: 04:29:634 - wasn't there an object here?
17:07 Razor Sharp: OH FUCK IT WAS
17:07 Hareimu: adding one doesn't seem to be like a bad idea anyway
17:07 Razor Sharp: added it back
17:07 Razor Sharp: fuck
17:08 Razor Sharp: updating
17:08 Razor Sharp: done
17:08 Hareimu: there we go
17:09 Hareimu: checking it with both assistants once again just in case, brb
17:09 Razor Sharp: sure
17:09 Hareimu: did you resize the bg back to 1366x768?
17:09 Hareimu: because having it as 1920x1080 was ok too
17:09 Razor Sharp: yeah..
17:10 Hareimu: the guideline for it in both navosu and modding assistant is outdated
17:10 Razor Sharp: i see
17:10 Hareimu: so yeah, as you wish
17:10 Hareimu: wanna keep it like this?
17:10 Razor Sharp: yeah
17:10 Hareimu: kk
17:11 Hareimu: nothing wrong apparently
17:11 Hareimu: let's push this, shall we?
17:12 Razor Sharp:
:D17:12 Hareimu: update once more just in case if you want
17:12 Razor Sharp: sure
17:13 Razor Sharp: updated
17:13 Hareimu: alright!
17:13 Hareimu: savelogging this
Topic Starter
Thanks hareimu!
q
nothing changed really
2017-12-13 22:04 Benny-: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296317 Ata - Euphoria [Ecstasy]]
2017-12-13 22:05 Benny-: remove countdown plez
2017-12-13 22:05 Razor Sharp: okokok
2017-12-13 22:09 Razor Sharp: updateddddd
2017-12-13 22:09 Benny-: nominated
2017-12-13 22:05 Benny-: remove countdown plez
2017-12-13 22:05 Razor Sharp: okokok
2017-12-13 22:09 Razor Sharp: updateddddd
2017-12-13 22:09 Benny-: nominated
Topic Starter
Thankyou benny!
is it happening 
I came.
lejen
Hey there friends, I personally don't believe my concerns were properly addressed before qualifying this map. Most concerns were replied to pretty poorly as well, and the ending (and in a more narrow sense, the kiais themselves) still seems overdone completely. In short, the map just doesn't feel ready for the ranked category. I'm going to go through places where I feel need significant improvements, but I won't write another big mod again because everything just gets declined anyway. It's a very anti-improvement way to do things, and I don't support it whatsoever.
The problems should be apparent really. I didn't even get to the last kiai, but the problems just keep repeating themselves so many times that I think being notified of them will help the mapper and nominators have a deeper look into the issues of the map. If it weren't for the rampant consistency problems and overdone patterns, the map would be really great and ready for ranked. For now, it feels like a nervous breakdown or something that CLSW mapped for graveyard. I believe that a much larger adjustment would be needed to make this map suitable for the ranked section, rather than something like Loved.
If you require additional advice on where I believe improvements can be made, feel free to contact me. If the QAT or the mapper desires that I expand my mod to point out more instances of these issues, please also contact me.
[ Ecstasy ]
General
- 00:21:187 (5,1) - Structure randomly changes from circles to sliders here, not to mention these sliders have no movement in comparison to the constant movement you promoted with the circles. There's nothing that suggests this change, so the inconsistency is apparent.
- 00:42:976 - Strong sound is left on a sliderend with no hyper to it, which makes every slider repeat past this (00:43:134 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ) all end on strong sounds. Not really acceptable rhythmically, since the strong sounds should have a dash to them or a hdash as you've been doing. I also didn't really agree with your reasoning behind keeping it, "I think it fits" doesn't help me much, but I don't care entirely
- Your explanation for adding hdashes between 00:47:870 (8,1) -, 00:48:976 (4,1) - , and so on is also not satisfactory to me. There's no musical change that warrants anything like this, so saying "I think it fits" doesn't work at all. It's just overdone.
- 00:57:660 (2,3) - The transition here doesn't make much sense to me, the music doesnt change much, but I also don't really know how to fix it. Just feels awkward
- 01:08:160 (8,1) - The antiflow movement still feels bad to me. Not much here constitutes such a high speed antiflow pattern, just a normal hdash would be fine to me.
- 01:18:265 (8,1) - This should have an HDash if you want to maintain consistency with the sounds you're HDashing to later on.
- 01:23:081 (5,6) - Still not sure why these hdashes are split like this
- 01:24:660 (1,2,1) - These really shallow, low-movement streams are really bad to play coming out of a fast section imo
- 01:25:607 (2,3) - As above
- 01:34:765 (1,2) - More examples of these flow-stop streams
- 01:37:923 (1,2) - Not sure why this is an HDash, especially when it's a reverse stair pattern. Seriously unwarranted, there's nothing resounding there to make that kind of antiflow okay
- 01:45:818 (5,6) - Another instance where the stream is split but there's no emphasis on anything that splits them
- Inconsistency is rampant throughout these stream parts, you have things like 01:58:765 (1,2) - vs. 01:59:397 (1,2) - , 02:11:397 (1,2) - vs. 01:51:186 (1,2) - , it's just not organized very well at all.
- 02:02:239 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - Not sure why this stream is split up at all, the previous section had most of this all together.
- This kind of inconsistency continues, but you get my point. I don't want to point out every issue here, I'm not here to map your song for you
- 02:51:029 (4,1) - This transition is still insanely bad because of the extreme flow-stop after a very fast-paced section
Now we can skip to the 1/3 sections, still extremely overdone, constantly overmapping sounds, skipping sounds, and pretty big spacing problems
---- - 03:03:502 (2) - nothing exists at 03:03:607 -
- 03:04:450 (1) - Same idea
- 03:08:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Pretty obvious that this is overmapped, there's no sounds even at all to be mistaken for on 03:08:344 (2,5) - , not to mention they've got very high spacing for something that's drowned out more than the rest of the section
- 03:13:607 (3,4) - As previous
- 03:13:923 (1,2,3) - Really overdone, the hyperchains are not necessary in this section at all
- 03:14:555 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,4,1) - etc etc etc, just really overdone, breaks consistency with these sounds throughout the map also, just not needed
- 03:18:976 (1,2,3,4) - These were bad in CLSW's harpuia and they're bad here too, vertical flow stops in a fast paced section aren't "challenging", they're frustrating.
- 03:21:502 (1,2,3,4,1) - Overmapped
The problems should be apparent really. I didn't even get to the last kiai, but the problems just keep repeating themselves so many times that I think being notified of them will help the mapper and nominators have a deeper look into the issues of the map. If it weren't for the rampant consistency problems and overdone patterns, the map would be really great and ready for ranked. For now, it feels like a nervous breakdown or something that CLSW mapped for graveyard. I believe that a much larger adjustment would be needed to make this map suitable for the ranked section, rather than something like Loved.
If you require additional advice on where I believe improvements can be made, feel free to contact me. If the QAT or the mapper desires that I expand my mod to point out more instances of these issues, please also contact me.
koli you're a wizardkoliron wrote:
i wanna say h before ascendance's post
h
oh well just dq it already cause razor is leaving and won't be back this year XD
h
Think he was coming inn tomorrow xDBenny- wrote:
oh well just dq it already cause razor is leaving and won't be back this year XD
Hi Razor! I'm afraid your beatmap will need further polishment before it can be considered as ranked material. I'll take it down by now.
As Ascendance mentioned, there are some structure/overmapping issues that should be addressed. I do also agree that the merciless 1/3 section needs to be tuned down, since those are >30 sec of constant antiflow patterns with almost no rest sections.
I'd recommend you to get more feedback from experienced modders in order to get your beatmap ready. You can also contact me if you need further assistance!
As Ascendance mentioned, there are some structure/overmapping issues that should be addressed. I do also agree that the merciless 1/3 section needs to be tuned down, since those are >30 sec of constant antiflow patterns with almost no rest sections.
I'd recommend you to get more feedback from experienced modders in order to get your beatmap ready. You can also contact me if you need further assistance!
Guys, you're doing it wrong, the map is perfectly fine. I don't agree with anything mentioned by Ascendance. That "consistency stuff", "not feel like hyperdash" and the "this part is very hard so I cry" arguments are coming out of nowhere. You're here to improve maps (which is subjective), not to make every map as you want it to be.
Edit: There is nothing wrong with pointing that stuff out, but that is definitely not a reason to disqualify, the mapper (even more if experienced) has the option to disagree with you if they like their maps as it is.
Edit: There is nothing wrong with pointing that stuff out, but that is definitely not a reason to disqualify, the mapper (even more if experienced) has the option to disagree with you if they like their maps as it is.
Why is that a problem thoughDeif wrote:
I do also agree that the merciless 1/3 section needs to be tuned down, since those are >30 sec of constant antiflow patterns with almost no rest sections.
The map had to get DQed regardless if Deif thinks it needs improvements or not. Razor is away and can’t respond to ascendances mod and it can’t go through qualified with ignored mods so stop complaining about deif DQing it
I laughed at this btweldnl wrote:
Guys, you're doing it wrong, the map is perfectly fine. I don't agree with anything mentioned by Ascendance. That "consistency stuff", "not feel like hyperdash" and the "this part is very hard so I cry" arguments are coming out of nowhere. You're here to improve maps (which is subjective), not to make every map as you want it to be.
Edit: There is nothing wrong with pointing that stuff out, but that is definitely not a reason to disqualify, the mapper (even more if experienced) has the option to disagree with you if they like their maps as it is.
I'm a top 100 player and I can play it with no problem at all, so I'd prefer it if we didn't attack player skill when judging the content of the mod. If you had basic reading comprehension and 10 minutes to look through the mod, you'd find things make sense and you'd also find that most people agree with the opinion, including the QAT. We're not here to make maps the way we want them to be, we're trying to make things better.
If I find an issue on the map, I'll point it out. Simple. It's up for Razor to decide whether or not he wants to accept it, but as I modded it before, I don't believe my concerns were addressed properly and Razor himself acknowledged that. Please don't try to take my right to use the qualified section for it's intended purpose. Feedback. Thanks for your time!
Edit: Also, by your logic, if I decline everything with the response "I want to keep my map as I want it", I'll be able to get every map of mine ranked with 0 issues. This is almost 2018 friend, it doesn't work this way
Topic Starter
Still away until next year.
Thanks for the DQ Deif, appriciate it as i didnt have a chance to look at Ascendance's mod before i left.
And eldnl, thank for liking the map, but both deif and ascendance habe valid points.
The only thing i can truly say i dont agree with is the 1/3 part. Dont see any reason to tune it down myself
With that said, ill continue after new year.
Thanks for the DQ Deif, appriciate it as i didnt have a chance to look at Ascendance's mod before i left.
And eldnl, thank for liking the map, but both deif and ascendance habe valid points.
The only thing i can truly say i dont agree with is the 1/3 part. Dont see any reason to tune it down myself
With that said, ill continue after new year.
Mapper requested this case to be postponed until the mapper is back available on doing so.
it's back
it's back