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Hello there, as much as I appreciate unusual interpretations of music and unorthodox maps I have a few concerns. No matter what you do, you should always look back to the basics of scaling and pressure. A more powerful musical section should also be mapped intensely, at least harder than peaceful sections. Currently the kiai is much more easier than other sections which imo doesn't make much sense. I believe by making the kiais harder the map will drastically improve. I'm referring to first 2 kiais and 03:14:069 - this section.
There is no actual pressure on the kiais, I assume they're one of the most intense parts of the song considering that the vocals are the strongest there; drums are going in regular kick / snare rhythm; the song also has loud hihats on red ticks and plenty of guitar hits (and kinda piano a bit too). The map however, doesn't seem to represent that really well, it has an interesting rhythm but the SV / spacing is too small for the kiai which results in the kiai being very easy. You kinda have a spaced stream on the end or few gimmicks like 02:01:727 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - which are hard but not intense and they do not increase the overall difficulty on the section but rather seem like a spike. The difficulty of the kiai mechanically is like a generic 4.5*.
Lets do some comparing
tldr; I'm indifferent about the concepts, but I think that mechanical intensity should be higher on kiai's which sound the most intense to better represent the song.
02:46:812 - also i'm kinda mildly sad in such a gimmicky map that you didn't do anything really interesting here, the guitar is quite spicy, yet the rhythm spacing and patterning is as generic as it gets :/
Hello there, as much as I appreciate unusual interpretations of music and unorthodox maps I have a few concerns. No matter what you do, you should always look back to the basics of scaling and pressure. A more powerful musical section should also be mapped intensely, at least harder than peaceful sections. Currently the kiai is much more easier than other sections which imo doesn't make much sense. I believe by making the kiais harder the map will drastically improve. I'm referring to first 2 kiais and 03:14:069 - this section.
There is no actual pressure on the kiais, I assume they're one of the most intense parts of the song considering that the vocals are the strongest there; drums are going in regular kick / snare rhythm; the song also has loud hihats on red ticks and plenty of guitar hits (and kinda piano a bit too). The map however, doesn't seem to represent that really well, it has an interesting rhythm but the SV / spacing is too small for the kiai which results in the kiai being very easy. You kinda have a spaced stream on the end or few gimmicks like 02:01:727 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - which are hard but not intense and they do not increase the overall difficulty on the section but rather seem like a spike. The difficulty of the kiai mechanically is like a generic 4.5*.
Lets do some comparing
- 01:13:212 - atm this section has denser rhythm and bigger/equal spacing from the first two kiai but its a much more peaceful section of the song. Keep in mind I realized that in this section there are kicks unique to it so I appreciate you mapping it as dense as you did as differentiation. But the problem is, if this section has denser rhythm but is spaced about the same with the kiai, it turns out to be more intense.
- 01:16:470 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - A random example is this jump spam which is denser and spaced more than anything in the kiai's which isn't streams.
- 01:19:727 (4,5,1,2,3) - The 2stack usage is denser than the kiai section 00:37:127 (3,1) - since in kiai the second circle is actually a slider which is much less intense.
- 01:31:384 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - This is kinda filler rhythm yet it's 1/2 circle spam. Overall I think you get the idea on what I'm implying that this section has denser rhythm overall.
- 02:54:355 - Currently this is extremely hard, at least 2x harder than anything else in the map. I don't believe that it's humanly possible for a song to have a 2x intenser section than its chorus lmao. Cross screen spacing out of nowhere 3 minutes in the map after no actual jumps in the map till then is such an extreme contrast that it strongly feels misfit. Scaling at least the last jumps to 0.8x or less should fit more with the rest of the map imo.
- 03:32:412 - This section even though it has the same drum rhythm as the kiais, it doesn't have the intense vocals yet it has denser rhythm than them which suggest higher intensity. Another reason why I think you should boost the difficulty of the kiais.
- 1.3x SV might be the best option.
- 00:33:785 (1,2,3,1) - For example a concept you might use since you like to emphasize strong notes is making the 00:34:470 (1) - spaced from the circle like this https://i.imgur.com/TyHbqVd.jpg.
- 00:34:813 (1,2) - Currently this spacing seems too low for how intense the vocals are on the red tick, you could do a bigger jump like https://i.imgur.com/0jLvOPw.jpg which will scale up the difficulty a bit.
- 00:35:327 (3,4) - You should really consider making (4) far away from the slider for the scaling purpose I was talking about and also because it's 1/2 and so close yet you use this spacing miliseconds later for 1/4 00:35:670 (4,1) - .
- 00:38:585 (3,1,2,3,4) - With the guitar going really faster here, you could consider for a dense 1/2 rhythm to emphasize that since you like to follow those small changes in music.
- 00:43:042 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - I don't hear the drums lowering down that much in intensity in the song, so you could make the pattern harder by makng it evenly spaced (like 3 to 4) throughout. Other than that, you most often use this kind of patterning of spacing decreasment to piano or guitar rather than drums, I think it's kinda misfit here.
- 00:49:556 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Interesting idea but you could like scale it by 1.2x or 1.3x to make it actually intense not just a small gimmick.
- 03:28:983 (3,4,5) - This kind of spacing is really counterproductive to how the intense the song is here, one could argue this is the peak of the song, yet you did a stacked 1/2 pattern,
tldr; I'm indifferent about the concepts, but I think that mechanical intensity should be higher on kiai's which sound the most intense to better represent the song.
02:46:812 - also i'm kinda mildly sad in such a gimmicky map that you didn't do anything really interesting here, the guitar is quite spicy, yet the rhythm spacing and patterning is as generic as it gets :/
I heavily disagree with the mod above, the map represents the music nicely IMO, chorus aren't always the denser or stronger part in a song, for example the section with the jumps (the guitar part) is a lot stronger than the chorus, also the filler rhythms u pointed out is clearly following vocals.
BTW GJ on the map it's really nicely done
BTW GJ on the map it's really nicely done
to add onto what natsu said, it's pretty clear left focused on something other than jump spam to make the choruses hard. there's wayyyyyy WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more spaced 1/4's, jump streams etc. there doesn't always have to be huge jumps to make something hard.Natsu wrote:
I heavily disagree with the mod above, the map represents the music nicely IMO, chorus aren't always the denser or stronger part in a song, for example the section with the jumps (the guitar part) is a lot stronger than the chorus, also the filler rhythms u pointed out is clearly following vocals.
BTW GJ on the map it's really nicely done
just seems like a poor attempt at dqing a map you don't like, kinda lame to see
They are certainly stronger than the two sections 01:13:212 - 03:31:040 - . I can kinda agree that the guitar part is more intense though, just not twice as intense, that guitar part nerf suggestion is not the main point of my mod.Natsu wrote:
I heavily disagree with the mod above, the map represents the music nicely IMO, chorus aren't always the denser or stronger part in a song, for example the section with the jumps (the guitar part) is a lot stronger than the chorus, also the filler rhythms u pointed out is clearly following vocals.
BTW GJ on the map it's really nicely done
Overall the kiai sections are not intense, they have a few spikes with gimmicks, but they're spikes the kiais are not based overall on being intense. I'm not implying jump spam as the only solution.Syph wrote:
to add onto what natsu said, it's pretty clear left focused on something other than jump spam to make the choruses hard. there's wayyyyyy WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more spaced 1/4's, jump streams etc. there doesn't always have to be huge jumps to make something hard.Natsu wrote:
I heavily disagree with the mod above, the map represents the music nicely IMO, chorus aren't always the denser or stronger part in a song, for example the section with the jumps (the guitar part) is a lot stronger than the chorus, also the filler rhythms u pointed out is clearly following vocals.
BTW GJ on the map it's really nicely done
just seems like a poor attempt at dqing a map you don't like, kinda lame to see
I'm not here to dq this map and keep it vetoed because I don't like it, I'm here to try to improve it a bit before going to rank. I'm not against any concept the mapper used which is imo the point of this map therefore I don't think I'll affect mappers overall style at all. I'd appreciate if you didn't jump on me like that without being sure what my intentions are, it's quite disrespectful and could lead other people to believe that was my intention.
I won't comment on MaridiuS' post yet
Something I missed out in my check was 01:33:785 (1,2,3,4) . It is a bit tricky to read to read a note stacked on top of a triple. What do you think?
Something I missed out in my check was 01:33:785 (1,2,3,4) . It is a bit tricky to read to read a note stacked on top of a triple. What do you think?
i agree w/ natsu and syph, the posted mod fails to notice or understand that spacing is not the only thing that affects difficulty or intensity, most of its stated "big" arranges arent remotely difficultfeeling and dont detract from the kiais at all
How can you guys agree with both syph and natsu when they basically contradict each other.UndeadCapulet wrote:
i agree w/ natsu and syph, the posted mod fails to notice or understand that spacing is not the only thing that affects difficulty or intensity, most of its stated "big" arranges arent remotely difficultfeeling and dont detract from the kiais at all
Natsu states that the kiai section is okay not to be hard because in the song it is not really intense.
Syph adds that the kiai section is hard because "clearly left focused on something".
So what is that "something" which makes the kiais hard which is not spacing and rhytmic density. I have an idea what you guys might say, but I'd still like to hear it before discussing further.
I didn't said isn't intense, I said the jump section at the guitar part is more intense than the kiai and that justified the jumps.MaridiuS wrote:
How can you guys agree with both syph and natsu when they basically contradict each other.UndeadCapulet wrote:
i agree w/ natsu and syph, the posted mod fails to notice or understand that spacing is not the only thing that affects difficulty or intensity, most of its stated "big" arranges arent remotely difficultfeeling and dont detract from the kiais at all
Natsu states that the kiai section is okay not to be hard because in the song it is not really intense.
Syph adds that the kiai section is hard because "clearly left focused on something".
So what is that "something" which makes the kiais hard which is not spacing and rhytmic density. I have an idea what you guys might say, but I'd still like to hear it before discussing further.
Okay that stands and is clarified fully now, but my initial reply to your post also still stands.Natsu wrote:
I didn't said isn't intense, I said the jump section at the guitar part is more intense than the kiai and that justified the jumps.
While I gotta agree on this being inconsistent, it isn't really hard. This is how old maps used to beKisses wrote:
I won't comment on MaridiuS' post yet
Something I missed out in my check was 01:33:785 (1,2,3,4) . It is a bit tricky to read to read a note stacked on top of a triple. What do you think?
This is intentional and i dont see any difficulty in playing those patterns.(its not that tricky tldr)Kisses wrote:
I won't comment on MaridiuS' post yet
Something I missed out in my check was 01:33:785 (1,2,3,4) . It is a bit tricky to read to read a note stacked on top of a triple. What do you think?
I guess I'm just bad at the game :'(
all I said is that that is what it seems like to me, as (to me) most things in your mod make no sense.MaridiuS wrote:
Overall the kiai sections are not intense, they have a few spikes with gimmicks, but they're spikes the kiais are not based overall on being intense. I'm not implying jump spam as the only solution.
I'm not here to dq this map and keep it vetoed because I don't like it, I'm here to try to improve it a bit before going to rank. I'm not against any concept the mapper used which is imo the point of this map therefore I don't think I'll affect mappers overall style at all. I'd appreciate if you didn't jump on me like that without being sure what my intentions are, it's quite disrespectful and could lead other people to believe that was my intention.
anyways, guess we’ll have to wait for left
Topic Starter
???what happened here
Grats on rank ^^ good map~
>click song preview
>light rock anime spergtrash
>look at starrating
>6.0
>haha yes
>light rock anime spergtrash
>look at starrating
>6.0
>haha yes
6 star anime is the BEST tho,
Nothing new then!vipto wrote:
>anime
>6.0
03:12:098 (2) - why no 1/6 
((
((b...but IT'S NOT ANIME!!11Yuii- wrote:
Nothing new then!vipto wrote:
>anime
>6.0
i see some say anime in every eroge maps lol
*grabs popcorn*
just say mapsets owners opinion is better imo
lol how can u find itLasse wrote:
03:12:098 (2) - why no 1/6
HP5 feels really low for top diff fwiw.
Topic Starter
Lemme do ez replies first, im in busy schedule irl.
but i always die i gave low hp for some super hard patterns
I could hear both sounds, but i chose 1/4 with my taste & emphasis of jumppattern start point with 1/4.Lasse wrote:
03:12:098 (2) - why no 1/6
-Mo- wrote:
HP5 feels really low for top diff fwiw.
before this just ranks without a reply whatsoever to the points maridius brought up i'll give this some more time to address stuff properly
i personally don't think that major changes to parts are needed but there's some useful stuff here and there in it and just ignoring it seems like a waste
i personally don't think that major changes to parts are needed but there's some useful stuff here and there in it and just ignoring it seems like a waste
Topic Starter
so nice i have one more chance to make my map nicer.
hi maridius!
*Let's say about difficulty. my kiai means just it's song's highlight chorus and there's no rule to make kiai hardest. i made map just according to song's intensity i interpreted, like
hardest = 02:55:040 - > 02:30:355 - > 01:46:127 - > etc.. it's just according to my interpretion, if you don't agree to it, hmm i don't have anything to say.
and kiai itself isn't easy. 00:42:699 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - , 00:54:527 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this shows kiai part's the most intense sound, it's shitty hard, making most of combobreaks for me(5k nub). if you want to issue rhythm's density, i wanna say 'rhythm's density isn't all for difficulty.' we pp mappers can make 1/2 jump harder than 1/4 stream by crossscreen 121212 jump. DS, flow, rhythm's combination can make difficulty harder even though rhythm itself is less denser.
let's see with your examples.
- 01:13:212 - right clickable is more given here and rhythm is dense. but i gave http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10054269 , http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10054275 obviously lower DS and 01:16:470 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - , 01:27:442 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - softer flow.
- 01:19:985 (5,1) - actually this is buildup of pattern from 01:14:584 (1,2,3) - > 01:17:156 (6,1,2,3) - > 01:19:985 (5,1,2,3) - . deal difficulty with just this stuff only won't make sense, maybe you know it.
- 01:31:899 (6,7,8) - showed vocal i like. i think it's worth enough.
- 02:54:355 - and another truth is that this part is obviously the most intense part of the song. so i gave kiai even though it's not highlight chorus. it's worth to get difficulty spike. also there's hidden effect of this jumppattern, 02:59:155 (1) - can give extreme contrast with this calm part, which i really like
and feedback of your suggestions.
- i hate using fast sliders
- 00:33:785 (1,2,3,1) - i think that's also nice stuff. maybe i would do it if i was making rhythm game song. but it's coolanimeeroge song, i don't want to make crazy cancer map. stuff i have now is working nicely i think.
- 00:34:813 (1,2) - geez your example is too hard and 00:34:470 (1) - , 00:34:813 (1,2) - has same direction of flow, making funny movement. i don't wanna fix it.
- im using 1/4 kickslider just like emphasized version of circle, with tail mute. and normal users play 1/4 slider as circle, so no problem in your concern.
***let's see more details with picture, https://puu.sh/z5I6O/0211c9d8c8.jpg cursor will go like this, same angle but opposite direction. and i wanna emphasize 4->1's movement according to song. i used two tools, 1=direction, 2=speed. i gave same DS and 3->4 = 1/1, 4->1 =
1/2. maybe you didn't understand my way of pattern use.
- 00:38:585 (3) - if you use dense 1/2, you can find emphasis of finish of this slider's head is lowered and no enough recovery time for this 00:37:727 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - signature pattern. 1/1 is best choice i sure.
- 00:43:042 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - i obviously heard lowering of drumsound, and it's also prepare for 00:43:470 (8,1) - .
- 00:49:556 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - hmm just this is visually stable for me and that DS change wouldn't give significant change i think.
- 03:28:983 (3,4,5) - agree this is intense part. 03:28:297 (1,2,3) - , 03:29:497 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - so i gave this pattern here. and 03:28:983 (3,4,5) - this gives cursor pause for contrast with next hard parttern and visually pair with 03:28:811 (2) - .
- 02:46:812 - actually i don't think catching every sound with stuffs isn't always best choice, my idea was 02:51:098 (1,2) - getting important sound with slow sliders.
so there's no fix for mod, sorry.
and i personally got visual upgrade like 03:18:012 (4) - (manual stack) etc
and rhythm change cuz i didn't like it 03:32:412 (1) - , 03:35:154 (1) - , 03:45:783 (3) -
hp to 5.5 cuz it isn't hard to fix
03:12:012 (1) - omg Lasse i thought another stuff, you're right here, i fixed to 1/6 slider.
i hope this can be nice answer for your mod!
hi maridius!
*Let's say about difficulty. my kiai means just it's song's highlight chorus and there's no rule to make kiai hardest. i made map just according to song's intensity i interpreted, like
hardest = 02:55:040 - > 02:30:355 - > 01:46:127 - > etc.. it's just according to my interpretion, if you don't agree to it, hmm i don't have anything to say.
and kiai itself isn't easy. 00:42:699 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - , 00:54:527 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this shows kiai part's the most intense sound, it's shitty hard, making most of combobreaks for me(5k nub). if you want to issue rhythm's density, i wanna say 'rhythm's density isn't all for difficulty.' we pp mappers can make 1/2 jump harder than 1/4 stream by crossscreen 121212 jump. DS, flow, rhythm's combination can make difficulty harder even though rhythm itself is less denser.
let's see with your examples.
- 01:13:212 - right clickable is more given here and rhythm is dense. but i gave http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10054269 , http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10054275 obviously lower DS and 01:16:470 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - , 01:27:442 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - softer flow.
- 01:19:985 (5,1) - actually this is buildup of pattern from 01:14:584 (1,2,3) - > 01:17:156 (6,1,2,3) - > 01:19:985 (5,1,2,3) - . deal difficulty with just this stuff only won't make sense, maybe you know it.
- 01:31:899 (6,7,8) - showed vocal i like. i think it's worth enough.
- 02:54:355 - and another truth is that this part is obviously the most intense part of the song. so i gave kiai even though it's not highlight chorus. it's worth to get difficulty spike. also there's hidden effect of this jumppattern, 02:59:155 (1) - can give extreme contrast with this calm part, which i really like
and feedback of your suggestions.
- i hate using fast sliders
- 00:33:785 (1,2,3,1) - i think that's also nice stuff. maybe i would do it if i was making rhythm game song. but it's cool
- 00:34:813 (1,2) - geez your example is too hard and 00:34:470 (1) - , 00:34:813 (1,2) - has same direction of flow, making funny movement. i don't wanna fix it.
- im using 1/4 kickslider just like emphasized version of circle, with tail mute. and normal users play 1/4 slider as circle, so no problem in your concern.
***let's see more details with picture, https://puu.sh/z5I6O/0211c9d8c8.jpg cursor will go like this, same angle but opposite direction. and i wanna emphasize 4->1's movement according to song. i used two tools, 1=direction, 2=speed. i gave same DS and 3->4 = 1/1, 4->1 =
1/2. maybe you didn't understand my way of pattern use.
- 00:38:585 (3) - if you use dense 1/2, you can find emphasis of finish of this slider's head is lowered and no enough recovery time for this 00:37:727 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - signature pattern. 1/1 is best choice i sure.
- 00:43:042 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - i obviously heard lowering of drumsound, and it's also prepare for 00:43:470 (8,1) - .
- 00:49:556 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - hmm just this is visually stable for me and that DS change wouldn't give significant change i think.
- 03:28:983 (3,4,5) - agree this is intense part. 03:28:297 (1,2,3) - , 03:29:497 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - so i gave this pattern here. and 03:28:983 (3,4,5) - this gives cursor pause for contrast with next hard parttern and visually pair with 03:28:811 (2) - .
- 02:46:812 - actually i don't think catching every sound with stuffs isn't always best choice, my idea was 02:51:098 (1,2) - getting important sound with slow sliders.
so there's no fix for mod, sorry.
and i personally got visual upgrade like 03:18:012 (4) - (manual stack) etc
and rhythm change cuz i didn't like it 03:32:412 (1) - , 03:35:154 (1) - , 03:45:783 (3) -
hp to 5.5 cuz it isn't hard to fix
03:12:012 (1) - omg Lasse i thought another stuff, you're right here, i fixed to 1/6 slider.
i hope this can be nice answer for your mod!
Topic Starter
@maridius can check if reply is ok? maybe we have to fix 1/6 in 03:12:098 (2) - too.
Topic Starter
ㅠㅠ 근데 사실 lasse가 지적한 명백한 리듬오류가 있어서 고치고싶긴 했음ㅋㅋㅋMomoka wrote:
예나 지금이나 랭된맵에 모딩하는 노실력 관종들은 사라지질 않는군요
다시 랭크 되시길
ㄱㅅㄱㅅ!
Topic Starter
vipto wrote:
Seems like your schedule wasnt so busy after all
i think your eye is pudding or sth, 100 year old nub guy.
>after 1/21
>today is 1/20
>you replied today
I think your brain is pudding son
>today is 1/20
>you replied today
I think your brain is pudding son
Topic Starter
meh i wont reply more
it's 1/21 korea gg
it's 1/21 korea gg
Conv of pros ewww me noob can't take part in
Anyway it's 5am here so I might check out the 1/6 in a few hours uwu
Ye there is 1/6 but also the guitar is 1/4. Besides I don't wanna put more than 1 1/6 pattern in a Hard diff, I try to make it as easy to read and to play as possible, which is why I prefer 1/4.
Thanks for mentioning it Lasse :3
Ye there is 1/6 but also the guitar is 1/4. Besides I don't wanna put more than 1 1/6 pattern in a Hard diff, I try to make it as easy to read and to play as possible, which is why I prefer 1/4.
Thanks for mentioning it Lasse :3
1/6 fixed
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375,207,241212,5,6,1:2:0:0:
272,334,241383,1,0,1:0:0:0:
245,143,241555,1,2,1:2:0:0:
274,349,241726,1,0,1:0:0:0:
80,247,241897,5,2,1:2:0:0:
240,250,242069,1,0,1:0:0:0:
67,359,242240,1,2,1:2:0:0:
252,243,242412,1,8,1:0:0:0:
98,35,242583,5,10,1:2:0:0:
80,247,242755,1,8,1:0:0:0:
214,29,242926,1,10,1:2:0:0:
264,236,243097,1,8,1:0:0:0:
0,160,243269,5,10,1:2:0:0:
236,124,243440,1,8,1:0:0:0:
80,247,243612,1,10,1:2:0:0:
369,292,243783,1,8,1:0:0:0:
256,192,244297,5,4,0:0:0:0:
256,192,244382,12,0,249439,0:0:0:0:
vipto going big brain mode. inb4 "jk just memeing bro"
Monstrata wrote:
vipto going big brain mode. inb4 "jk just memeing bro"
Topic Starter
kiai 1/6 fixed in garden and kalibe
nino = same reason with yamicchi and hard to fix
top diff kiai rework -> got approval from maridius
nino = same reason with yamicchi and hard to fix
top diff kiai rework -> got approval from maridius
log
2018-01-21 13:35 MaridiuS: hey
2018-01-21 13:35 Left: hihi
2018-01-21 13:35 MaridiuS: how was the camp
2018-01-21 13:35 Left: nice and tired
2018-01-21 13:35 Left: zz
2018-01-21 13:36 Left: now can do feedback
2018-01-21 13:36 MaridiuS: nice
2018-01-21 13:36 MaridiuS: so are you ready now to discuss
2018-01-21 13:37 Left: yea
2018-01-21 13:37 MaridiuS: okay so firstly
2018-01-21 13:38 MaridiuS: my only intention is to try to improve the map, I think that this is fairly experimental since its different than your usual style
2018-01-21 13:40 MaridiuS: so in your reply you kinda defended the kias as being hard by linking the hardest parts, but those are just spikes
2018-01-21 13:41 MaridiuS: my initial complain was that overall the kiais don't feel pressuring or intense
2018-01-21 13:42 MaridiuS: like their base structure doesn't feel intense or pressuring because the rhythm and spacing on most patterns is simple
2018-01-21 13:42 Left: actually i don't want to give any pressure there
2018-01-21 13:42 Left: in my interpretion
2018-01-21 13:43 Left: i don't see chorus(kiai) is specially hard
2018-01-21 13:43 MaridiuS: hardest = 02:55:040 - > 02:30:355 - > 01:46:127 - > etc..
2018-01-21 13:43 MaridiuS: while i agree that those first two you lnked are harder
2018-01-21 13:43 MaridiuS: and more intense in the song
2018-01-21 13:44 MaridiuS: my complain was comparing it to 03:31:040 - for example or 01:13:212 -
2018-01-21 13:44 MaridiuS: 03:31:040 - for example this is exactly like the kiai when it comes to drums
2018-01-21 13:44 MaridiuS: but the kiai has extreme vocals backing it up
2018-01-21 13:45 Left: is that really problem..actually idk
2018-01-21 13:45 Left: anyway i'll explain it
2018-01-21 13:47 MaridiuS: i mean this is one of the littest eroge singing i've heard lol
2018-01-21 13:49 Left: yea
2018-01-21 13:49 Left: that's true
2018-01-21 13:49 Left: and explaination here
2018-01-21 13:49 Left: xd
2018-01-21 13:49 Left: i gave diff spread with not just with clickables.
2018-01-21 13:50 Left: actually clickable's impact on diff is quite low, cuz 175 bpm
2018-01-21 13:50 Left: which is too ez for 6star players
2018-01-21 13:51 MaridiuS: okay that is understandable to some degree
2018-01-21 13:51 Left: maybe from which we can feel 'difficult' is
2018-01-21 13:51 Left: flow and cursor's speed.
2018-01-21 13:51 MaridiuS: wait spec me
2018-01-21 13:51 MaridiuS: i currently suck
2018-01-21 13:51 MaridiuS: but i will nail kiai sections probably
2018-01-21 13:51 Left: 01:47:498 (1,2,3,4,5) - we can see this with only this example
2018-01-21 13:53 MaridiuS: yeah just those spikes caught me cus i suck in this one
2018-01-21 13:53 MaridiuS: cant stream xd
2018-01-21 13:54 Left: spikes are super hard i agree xdd
2018-01-21 13:55 Left: i made map just like that way
2018-01-21 13:55 Left: anyway 01:47:498 (1,2,3,4,5) -
2018-01-21 13:55 Left: 01:47:156 (2,3) - this DS use
2018-01-21 13:55 MaridiuS: but mostly the movement is easy breezy in the kiais to me
2018-01-21 13:55 Left: 01:48:698 (5,1) - cursor speed acceleration
2018-01-21 13:56 Left: maybe that's because spikes are super hard.
2018-01-21 13:56 MaridiuS: yeah guess my reading and rhythmic sense is too good for me to have troubles on those stuff atm
2018-01-21 13:56 MaridiuS: since even though cursor speed is fast and stuff
2018-01-21 13:56 MaridiuS: its quite comfortable
2018-01-21 13:57 MaridiuS: 00:34:385 (3,1) - okay but at least look at this example, currently this is way too easy
2018-01-21 13:57 MaridiuS: for how (1) sounds intense
2018-01-21 13:58 Left: why that's problem..
2018-01-21 13:58 Left: what you said was don't say difficulty with single stuff
2018-01-21 13:58 MaridiuS: well this is repeated in the section many times
2018-01-21 13:58 MaridiuS: which overall reduces the difficulty a bit imo
2018-01-21 13:58 Left: i made harder kiai with strong flow and cursor speed
2018-01-21 13:58 Left: that's all i think
2018-01-21 13:59 MaridiuS: yeah that's a sweet thing to do
2018-01-21 14:00 MaridiuS: strong flow and cursor speed difficulty increase with spacing a lot
2018-01-21 14:00 MaridiuS: which is why i suggested overall spacing increase so that it will be felt more strongly
2018-01-21 14:01 MaridiuS: atm it just plays nice, but it doesn't play as hard as it could for a 6 star technical
2018-01-21 14:02 Left: hmm
2018-01-21 14:02 Left: okok
2018-01-21 14:02 Left: i'll just make it harder
2018-01-21 14:03 Left: wait about 30min pls
2018-01-21 14:03 MaridiuS: alright o
2018-01-21 15:49 Left: there?
2018-01-21 15:49 MaridiuS: ye im ehre
2018-01-21 15:50 Left: ill update now
2018-01-21 15:50 Left: rework done
2018-01-21 15:50 Left: can you see it?
2018-01-21 15:50 MaridiuS: okay update
2018-01-21 15:50 MaridiuS: i will keep the old file for any case
2018-01-21 15:54 Left: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1293772 Sasaki Sayaka - Kiss no Hitotsu de]
2018-01-21 15:55 Left: give a change in rhythm use
2018-01-21 15:55 Left: *gave
2018-01-21 15:57 MaridiuS: are you happy with the changes?
2018-01-21 15:58 MaridiuS: it seems sweet now owo
2018-01-21 15:58 Left: i like both
2018-01-21 15:58 Left: i don't make sth i hate
2018-01-21 15:58 Left: xd
2018-01-21 15:59 MaridiuS: sweet
2018-01-21 15:59 MaridiuS: good job
2018-01-21 16:00 Left: :)
2018-01-21 16:00 Left: now ready again?
2018-01-21 16:01 MaridiuS: oki let me see if i can mod individual patterns a bit in the kiais
2018-01-21 16:01 Left: okok
2018-01-21 16:02 MaridiuS: 00:50:585 (1,2,1) - this could have it's spacing reduced a bit
2018-01-21 16:02 MaridiuS: blue tick rhythm could be awkward on this spacing
2018-01-21 16:02 Left: fixed
2018-01-21 16:04 MaridiuS: 01:47:156 (2,3,1) - this spacing might also be slighthly unreasonable
2018-01-21 16:05 MaridiuS: 00:39:613 (4,5,1,5,6,1) - here they are consistent but in second kiai not
2018-01-21 16:05 MaridiuS: 01:52:642 (4,5,1,5,6,1) -
2018-01-21 16:06 MaridiuS: it would be sweet to in second kiai also make them conssitent but spaced now like 01:54:012 (5,6,1) -
2018-01-21 16:08 Left: both fixed
2018-01-21 16:08 MaridiuS: oh btw
2018-01-21 16:08 MaridiuS: link me where's the 1/6 everyone talks about
2018-01-21 16:09 Left: 03:12:012 (1) -
2018-01-21 16:09 Left: drum is actually 1/6
2018-01-21 16:09 Left: but yamicchi interpreted as guitar sound and didn't want to make hard
2018-01-21 16:09 Left: so chose 1/4
2018-01-21 16:09 Left: and garden/kali/me 1/6
2018-01-21 16:09 Left: the highest 3 diffs
2018-01-21 16:09 MaridiuS: okay sweet
2018-01-21 16:10 MaridiuS: you can call the 2 nominators back
2018-01-21 16:10 Left: oo okok
2018-01-21 16:10 Left: can upload this log on thread?
2018-01-21 16:10 MaridiuS: hm i don't think it's necessary i'll just say what happened
2018-01-21 16:11 MaridiuS: since in the log i didn't really mod we just talked
2018-01-21 16:11 MaridiuS: /shrug
2018-01-21 16:11 MaridiuS: w/e i'll do it anyways and tldr it
The mapper buffed the kiais with increased SV and spacing, I'm completely fine with the top diff at this state. Previous nominators, enjoy.
rebubbled after testplay
lmao rip kisses
My first qualify! \ ( > w<)/
Topic Starter
looooooool im glad to be your first qfKisses wrote:
My first qualify! \ ( > w<)/
almost read as gfLeft wrote:
looooooool im glad to be your first qfKisses wrote:
My first qualify! \ ( > w<)/
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