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Why not just make half a slider and then have a key command to mirror the points? I think that's the same idea but could work too.
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Yes, it's the same thing actually.SapphireGhost wrote:
Why not just make half a slider and then have a key command to mirror the points? I think that's the same idea but could work too.
Sliders with lots of red points tend to not look very good anyway. Basically its only use is creating gimmicky sliders like in your pics.
Even your tilde example is better created without redpoints.
Even your tilde example is better created without redpoints.
SORRY BRO
But this could actually be helpful and time-saving.SapphireGhost wrote:
Why not just make half a slider and then have a key command to mirror the points? I think that's the same idea but could work too.
I like how your examples are better than his joined sliders.
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I didn't spend much time on these sliders, that's why they're so crappy. They're just examples.mm201 wrote:
I like how your examples are better than his joined sliders.
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This feature request is time saving. You'll be able to make the sliders you just showed me TWICE or THREE times as fast! And what he said is almost the same thing.OzzyOzrock wrote:
SORRY BROBut this could actually be helpful and time-saving.SapphireGhost wrote:
Why not just make half a slider and then have a key command to mirror the points? I think that's the same idea but could work too.
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No, without them it's harder and it won't be easy to make it perfect.mm201 wrote:
Even your tilde example is better created without redpoints.
Might as well add connecting posts as well with the triple-posting you're doing.
I LOL'd XDOzzyOzrock wrote:
Might as well add connecting posts as well with the triple-posting you're doing.
but yeah, next time edit your post instead of triple posting
It would be time-saving to add it too!
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Sakura Hana wrote:
I LOL'd XDOzzyOzrock wrote:
Might as well add connecting posts as well with the triple-posting you're doing.
but yeah, next time edit your post instead of triple posting
That ^theowest wrote:
I was posting them at different times... so.. I didn't bother to edit it into one.OzzyOzrock wrote:
Might as well add connecting posts as well with the triple-posting you're doing.
+ I was on my iPod right now so it editing three quotes and copy and paste and shit would have been painful as hell.
Indeed! or.. do you mean, not to add it..? ;_;OzzyOzrock wrote:
It would be time-saving to add it too!
No, this isn't true. When using red points, there's an inconsistent second derivative right at the joining point. This creates a less smooth appearance than if it was made without red points.
Post-connecting, yes. If you haven't realized I'm parodying your slider idea but using posts instead.
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mm201 wrote:
No, this isn't true. When using red points, there's an inconsistent second derivative right at the joining point. This creates a less smooth appearance than if it was made without red points.
I don't want it to look like that
I want it to look like this:
Full view:
SPOILER
With red points
Without red points
Without red points
See the difference?
Those are the afforementioned gimmicky sliders. That's just one kind of shape!
Why not add an auto circle maker? An auto tilde maker? An auto wiggle maker? Auto spiral?
Having a tool to make every kind of slider shape just isn't practical, and encourages mappers to just use those same shapes all the time.
Why not add an auto circle maker? An auto tilde maker? An auto wiggle maker? Auto spiral?
Having a tool to make every kind of slider shape just isn't practical, and encourages mappers to just use those same shapes all the time.
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This is CONNECTING sliders. ANY slider. Just connecting. Copy points in sliders, whatever. It has nothing to do with auto circle making or whatever you're saying. It's up to the big boss who'll approve this, if they find it any good.mm201 wrote:
Those are the afforementioned gimmicky sliders. That's just one kind of shape!
Why not add an auto circle maker? An auto tilde maker? An auto wiggle maker? Auto spiral?
Having a tool to make every kind of slider shape just isn't practical, and encourages mappers to just use those same shapes all the time.
Connecting sliders will be very time saving when making any type of slider. ANY! Especially symmetry.
I never use red points in my sliders, unless they are elbows, which wouldn't benefit from this.
The only use you can justify is making sliders with cusps, which is only one kind of shape.
The only use you can justify is making sliders with cusps, which is only one kind of shape.
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True.mm201 wrote:
I never use red points in my sliders, unless they are elbows, which wouldn't benefit from this.
The only use you can justify is making sliders with cusps, which is only one kind of shape.
and.. you said my example could be created better without red points. Which was false, which I have proven to you already. ;D
Also.. This has nothing to do with connecting sliders.. ._____.
No I didn't. I said sliders don't look smooth at redpoints, and that tildes are better created without. Read it again.
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You did saymm201 wrote:
No I didn't. I said sliders don't look smooth at redpoints, and that tildes are better created without. Read it again.
Even your tilde example is better created without redpoints.It wasn't created any better without the redpoints. It would look like this without them:
instead of this:
The tilde example you meant was this:
Which is exactly the same type of slider thingy watever. It was built the same way.
Do you not know what a tilde is?
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Nope, but since you said "without the red points", I thought, the example there is the ONLY one with red points so there can't be any other one.mm201 wrote:
Do you not know what a tilde is?
^ that doesn't work on the sliders I made. It looks like crap without the red points.Sakura Hana wrote:
Ohai
Edit also: ~ <- tilde
compared to:
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You said it would look better if I didn't have any. I didn't!mm201 wrote:
/me headdesk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde
Yes, but connecting sliders would add a red point.
And that would be ugly.
And that would be ugly.
You said you wanted this feature to join two arcs with a redpoint.
I say this is a bad way to do it. The only "legit usage" is creating those funny squiggles which are just one kind of shape and don't fit most kinds of maps.
I say this is a bad way to do it. The only "legit usage" is creating those funny squiggles which are just one kind of shape and don't fit most kinds of maps.
So much for trying to help you out :< oh well *me goes to continue learning sliderart*
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Which is why, when this is applied, it should be one point when it will be connected. So two points = one point when connecting.Luna wrote:
Yes, but connecting sliders would add a red point.
And that would be ugly.
Example:
SPOILER
instead of this:
which you guys say is going to happen
instead of this:
which you guys say is going to happen
there. Problem solved!
You do realize that the "connected" sliders would look completely different if they were connected by normal waypoints and not red points?
This defeats the purpose of the request entirely.
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I never said I wanted to join them with a redpoint.mm201 wrote:
You said you wanted this feature to join two arcs with a redpoint.
I say this is a bad way to do it. The only "legit usage" is creating those funny squiggles which are just one kind of shape and don't fit most kinds of maps.
This request is all just a time saver. It will take less time to make a symmetrical correct slider than doing it without this feature.
The shape of the slider will change completely if it's not a red point.
It's not as noticable with the tilde slider, but try that really complicated slider from your first post and join it with a normal waypoint. It will look awful.
It's not as noticable with the tilde slider, but try that really complicated slider from your first post and join it with a normal waypoint. It will look awful.
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okay sure.. but when it comes to this kind of stuff:Luna wrote:
The shape of the slider will change completely if it's not a red point.
It's not as noticable with the tilde slider, but try that really complicated slider from your first post and joint it with a normal waypoint. It will look awful.
it will be easier to create a PERFECT symmetrical slider, without any trouble. but sure.. Lock this thread, , delete it, nuke it, watever. I'm tired of this discussion..
lol, imagine creating something like this
and then wanting to make it symmetrical. THAT would take a very long time, but not if this request was accepted.
The first wouldn't be particularly difficult and shouldn't use a redpoint at the top, and the second is pretty ugly and would probably work better assymetrical and random anyway
Your method isn't any more efficient. What happens when you need to make an adjustment to one of the control points? You demolish half the slider, re-paste, and re-join? Much easier to just move the other control point. It can be extremely difficult to tell if the slider's end will line up just perfectly until it's complete, so you WILL need to adjust control points quite a bit after it's created.
Also:
Also:
Just how many maps are there where sliders like that would fit xDtheowest wrote:
lol, imagine creating something like this
and then wanting to make it symmetrical. THAT would take a very long time, but not if this request was accepted.
Basically this request would only benefit extremely over-the-top complicated sliders that make sense in ~1% of maps.
And it doesn't even take that much time to make them symmetrical. If you create the first half of a complicated slider, just place a red point where the endpoint would be and then place the remaining waypoints by checking with Ctrl+H/Ctrl+J.
Then, to make it absolutely perfectly symmetrical, use the "Scale by" feature and modify the scaling level by tiny intervals until Ctrl+J/H shows no movement.
Really not that much work
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you guys are right... .___________. Sorry for wasting your time.mm201 wrote:
Your method isn't any more efficient. What happens when you need to make an adjustment to one of the control points? You demolish half the slider, re-paste, and re-join? Much easier to just move the other control point. It can be extremely difficult to tell if the slider's end will line up just perfectly until it's complete, so you WILL need to adjust control points quite a bit after it's created.
Also:
Connecting sliders are worthless.
Using Scale By to make sliders symmetric isn't really a good choice. There's rounding errors in the positioning of the control points which will cause the slider to be slightly different when you save and reload.
I always manually recheck the sliders to make sure nothing happens with rounding errors, scaling just really saves time compared to experimenting with all the waypoints individually.
To think that a conclusion would've been reached 2 pages faster if he had known what a tilde was...
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Nope.OzzyOzrock wrote:
To think that a conclusion would've been reached 2 pages faster if he had known what a tilde was...
Yes, because then no red endpoint conversation would have existed.
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No, because I didn't realize till he showed me the example picture I made. I thought he meant the one.. that wasn't a tilde.. oh god.. you're right.. ._______________.OzzyOzrock wrote:
Yes, because then no red endpoint conversation would have existed.
In other news, it was not the reason I didn't want to cancel this feature request.. I just realized it was unnecessary. And sliderart stuff aren't common in beatmaps anyways.
This thread has gone totally meta so I'll just let this die right now.