MrSergio wrote:

the map is currently self popped but I better put my icon here to make sure no one qualifies the map in its current state:
there was a timing issue so we have to pop for that

the issue was for 03:14:089 (1,2) - these two guys.

Timing is now fine, since we got a bit of time to irc mod it, but the bubble count needs to restart, so please get the bubbles again and then call me back~

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09:46 CookieBite: hello
09:47 CookieBite: just want to know if you are willing to check my map or not c:
09:50 MrSergio: link,cause I no longer have it
09:50 *CookieBite is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1254678 Tenacious D - BEELZEBOSS (THE FINAL SHOWDOWN)]
09:54 MrSergio: 02:04:087 (4) - this feels a bit too intense out of nowhere, since it is similar to 02:03:171 (1) - in rhythm
09:54 MrSergio: I was expecting one more 1/1 slider there too
09:55 MrSergio: 02:05:766 (3,4) - also, this part is inconsistent with the stack at 02:03:934 (3,4) - . Since it is a short part at least make it more consistent, since it is really the same rhythm twice here
09:57 MrSergio: 02:58:247 - this is kiai time o.O?
09:57 MrSergio: why lol
09:57 MrSergio: 03:14:089 (1,2) - how come this isn't on that slight guitar in backgroun too, as the rest of this part
09:58 MrSergio: it seems to me you went for vocals here, but it sounds off imo
09:59 CookieBite: the first one fixed
10:00 MrSergio: 03:14:089 (1,2) - ok, I tried fixing this one and I have no clue myself
10:00 MrSergio: it feels off, but guitar and vocals are two different things, aka two different timings
10:00 MrSergio: so I can't fix it unless there is a timing for the guitar and not for the vocal
10:01 MrSergio: out of 03:02:418 (1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2) - only 03:14:089 (1,2) - are not following that guitar in any way
10:01 MrSergio: which definitely seems strange to me
10:01 CookieBite: omg that object code
10:02 MrSergio: how that even got approved tho, it throws me off a lot omg
10:03 CookieBite: ok
10:03 CookieBite: just point me which point makes you throw off the most
10:03 CookieBite: tho i'll try to fix all of them
10:04 MrSergio: I can fix timing tho
10:04 MrSergio: if you want
10:04 MrSergio: to match the guitar I mentioned
10:05 CookieBite: ok i want that please
10:05 MrSergio: 03:13:972 - the stuff here
10:05 MrSergio: those 2 sliders
10:05 CookieBite: i know
10:08 MrSergio: oho, fixed and looks way nicer now
10:08 MrSergio: wait, lemme tell you the process
10:08 CookieBite: ok
10:09 MrSergio: take the timing points at 03:14:926 - 03:14:589 - 03:14:089 - and delete all of them
10:09 MrSergio: then.... add new timing points at 03:14:130 - 03:14:764 -
10:10 MrSergio: 03:14:130 - BPM is 94,500
10:10 MrSergio: 03:14:764 - BPM is 83,500
10:10 MrSergio: add on each of them a green timing section with x0.50 SV and you shouldn;t need much more than that
10:10 MrSergio: obviously, resnap them
10:11 MrSergio: tell me how it looks and if it fits
10:12 MrSergio: I will go ahead and check the rest meanwhile
10:12 CookieBite: i feel like the second one the bpm is early
10:12 CookieBite: im not 100% sure
10:13 MrSergio: I would say some of yours timings felt a bit late by themselves, so maybe it;s just an impression
10:13 MrSergio: that way it feels on pitch to me, but you can make it slower or faster if you think it shouldn't be there
10:13 MrSergio: I mean, the offset
10:13 CookieBite: ok
10:13 MrSergio: in any case, this change resets the bubble count, so ask the other BNs for an opinion perhaps
10:14 CookieBite: i should unstack these two right? 03:14:764 (2,3) -
10:14 CookieBite: ok
10:14 MrSergio: (yes, the timing is a huge change here and I have to make you get the bubbles again)
10:14 MrSergio: I liked the stack tbh
10:14 MrSergio: if you want to move things around, go ahead
10:14 MrSergio: I'm fine with it tho
10:15 CookieBite: ok
10:16 MrSergio: 03:41:849 (1,2,3) - rip emphasis
10:16 MrSergio: I think that 2 is the one having the most emphasis in the song here
10:16 MrSergio: so the shorter jump on 2 makes a bit "wut"
10:17 CookieBite: shouldn't make 03:41:849 (1,2) - to have larger spacing?
10:17 MrSergio: you could turn 03:42:043 (2,3) - into a slider and place it like...https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8141151
10:18 MrSergio: the strong beat is on 2, so the biggest jump should be on it, not on 1
10:18 MrSergio: but you can change things around with a proper flow, as shown in the screen
10:18 CookieBite: like this? sorry im bad at understanding things https://puu.sh/vWMYt/742f91124d.jpg
10:19 MrSergio: the jump on 1 is still bigger tho
10:19 MrSergio: 03:41:462 (5,1) - this is bigger than 03:41:849 (1,2) - this
10:19 MrSergio: but it should be that 03:41:849 (1,2) - is bigger than 03:41:462 (5,1) -
10:19 MrSergio: either do jumps as this ^ or take my screen and use it as is
10:20 MrSergio: also, I'm considering every instrument in that part, not only vocals
10:20 MrSergio: if you follow vocals it might be you feel like 1 is stronger, but it isn't
10:21 MrSergio: since there is the guitar and the drum playing way more strongly on 2
10:21 MrSergio: I would highly prefer a slider for 03:42:043 (2,3) - tho, to keep consistency with the rest
10:21 CookieBite: ok
10:21 MrSergio: that way you also fix the emphasis issue
10:22 MrSergio: 03:47:462 (5) - what do you think of stacking this on 03:47:849 (1) - ?
10:22 MrSergio: that beat is really strong, but you use a normal spacing which is meh imo
10:23 MrSergio: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8141178 example
10:24 CookieBite: well that is a cool idea
10:24 CookieBite: applied
10:24 MrSergio: 03:50:365 (6,7,8) - a slight spacing increase in these would be cool to keep the spacing consistency of your combo 03:47:849 (1,2,3,4,5) -
10:25 MrSergio: 03:57:913 (3,4,5,6) - this seems to be a somewhat special pattern, since it is the first time I see it, but is there anything special in the song to support it? .-.
10:25 MrSergio: if I were to listen to the song a couple of times, I would end up thinking that 03:57:913 (3,4) - could be a slider instead
10:25 CookieBite: something this is ok? https://puu.sh/vWNcC/ebb095a215.jpg
10:25 MrSergio: to follow the guitar once again
10:26 MrSergio: ye, looks good
10:26 MrSergio: you could have kept the triangle tho xD
10:26 MrSergio: it feels a bit random now
10:26 CookieBite: oh
10:26 CookieBite: im not monstraxx
10:27 CookieBite: idc
10:27 CookieBite: xd
10:27 MrSergio: lmao
10:27 MrSergio: well, try to make it more organized anyway
10:27 CookieBite: lol ok
10:27 MrSergio: maybe move 8 a bit down
10:27 MrSergio: to make the 5-tail, 6, 7 and 8 a sort of rhombus
10:28 MrSergio: or something
10:28 MrSergio: don;t give me anime patterns on rock songs please xd
10:28 MrSergio: 04:31:591 (2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - great job here
10:28 CookieBite: thx
10:28 MrSergio: the 1/3 jump part is kinda hard, but the introduction works nicely
10:29 MrSergio: so it;s pretty cool
10:29 CookieBite: nice to hear that
10:29 MrSergio: hey, but you are not monstrata, why do you have triangles? :^)
10:29 CookieBite: so is this ok? https://puu.sh/vWNjr/587647020f.png
10:29 CookieBite: because
10:29 MrSergio: joking lol
10:29 CookieBite: im monstraxx not monstrata
10:29 CookieBite: i know d
10:30 MrSergio: and you could rotate that a little counterclock-wise imo
10:30 MrSergio: to avoide the lame visual spacing between the slider tail and 7
10:31 CookieBite: ok
10:31 MrSergio: 04:49:140 (4,5) - this jump might be a bit hard to interpret as a 1/4 snap imo, since your 1/4 jumps so far were shorter, like 04:48:078 (1,2,3) -
10:32 CookieBite: WAIT WHERES MY COLORHAX
10:32 MrSergio: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8141218 just moved down that triangle a bit
10:32 MrSergio: ?
10:32 CookieBite: lol i just messed up the colorhax
10:32 CookieBite: now fixed the colorhax so yea
10:33 MrSergio: 05:19:405 - break?
10:33 MrSergio: I mean, that feels like a long pause, so maybe add a break effect?
10:34 CookieBite: hmm
10:34 CookieBite: so i want it kinda fake the person
10:35 CookieBite: and i want to have some sort of effect
10:35 CookieBite: ok you know what
10:35 MrSergio: really deep explanation right there :^)
10:35 CookieBite: is this ok? https://puu.sh/vWNvX/74894fe730.jpg
10:35 MrSergio: sure
10:35 CookieBite: sorry i don't have a wide range of vocab lol
10:35 CookieBite: :O
10:36 MrSergio: I care about the break there, mainly
10:36 MrSergio: so how you do it doesn't erally matter that much to me
10:36 MrSergio: ok... so....
10:36 CookieBite: but does it rankable
10:36 MrSergio: I should check the folder and other meta stuff, but you need to get the bubbles again
10:36 MrSergio: yes, it is rankable, sdw
10:36 MrSergio: dw*
10:37 CookieBite: ok
10:37 MrSergio: so get the bubbles back and come to me again once that's done
10:37 CookieBite: gotta
10:37 CookieBite: the meta got checked by kwan
10:37 MrSergio: I will post this log with a bubble pop icon to make the notice clear to other BNs
10:37 MrSergio: good

1. 01:48:507 (1) - In fact 01:48:519 - is the more accurate timing point. You can change or keep the BPM whatever since it doesn't matter.
2. 01:48:822 - accurate timing should be at 01:48:834 -
3. 01:58:540 (1,2) - kinda curious what are you following here. If you're just merely following vocal, adding a finish there sounds kinda frustrating
4. 03:32:755 (1) - should go for 03:32:789 -
5. 03:50:558 (7) - no hitsound? at least a clap

F D Flourite wrote:

Some small points need reconsideration.

[CHALLENGE]

1. 01:48:507 (1) - In fact 01:48:519 - is the more accurate timing point. You can change or keep the BPM whatever since it doesn't matter. // fixed
2. 01:48:822 - accurate timing should be at 01:48:834 - // fixed
3. 01:58:540 (1,2) - kinda curious what are you following here. If you're just merely following vocal, adding a finish there sounds kinda frustrating // actually im following the instrument
4. 03:32:755 (1) - should go for 03:32:789 - // fixed
5. 03:50:558 (7) - no hitsound? at least a clap // fixed

call me back

ah2190 wrote:

I've been having a look at it, and while I suspect you intend this to be for the main OSU mode, it seems to work very well in both Takio and Mania modes. Especially Takio, as the BPM changes means certain notes move towards the point where you have to hit them at various rates, meaning some may go over others. Which for a challenging map, is something I am happy with.

Sonnyc wrote:

Both slider border and body colors must be manually set or not set. Setting only one may conflict with a user's custom skin choices.

According to this rule, you should be setting a slider border too. // fixed

02:55:384 (1) - I think using this slider shape along felt to be too abnormal to interact with the surrounding patterns. Unlike 02:18:743 (1) - 02:19:659 (1) - where the shape was used at a short period of time which created a concept, the usage here felt too random. // changed it to straight slider
04:00:139 - 04:01:687 - Why did you ignored these rhythms? Other vocal parts like 04:03:236 - 04:07:881 - etc were expressed as circles which made the rhythm concepts quite inconsistent. // fixed by adding circles

Great work, call me back for a rebubble.

Naotoshi wrote:

wtf my rebubble got sniped -_-

edit: hey cookiebite let me rebubble instead of flourite so we can farm bn points!!!

Kyujuroku 96 wrote:

I dont want to rain on your parade but Im pretty sure the artist is Tenacious D feat. Dave Grohl. Thats how appears credited in the soundtrack album and also in the film credits. I can provide an screenshot if needed since I have the flim somewhere but the imdb page is quite definite to my eyes

Kyujuroku 96 wrote:

Sorry but I have to disagree here. In the case of imdb, the credits are taken directly from the film, series, etc. Either way, I can provide a screenshot from the credits of the film if you want, as I said before

Kyujuroku 96 wrote:

I dont want to rain on your parade but Im pretty sure the artist is Tenacious D feat. Dave Grohl. Thats how appears credited in the soundtrack album and also in the film credits. I can provide an screenshot if needed since I have the flim somewhere but the imdb page is quite definite to my eyes

CookieBite wrote:

tho i think it should be fine as Dave Grohl is in the tags, right?