S3RL feat Harri Rush - Nostalgic (Nightcore Mix) [CatchTheBe

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Fixed except 02:17:959 - since I'd like to keep it as it is currently

thanks a lot for a mod!

https://puu.sh/vwrhK/e5fefdbf2f.osu
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Ulysses
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scanter
this is freaking awesome mapset
Net0
Requested IRC
[iiiii's Insane ]
  1.  2017-04-27 10:42 Net0: I think that Insane diffs and harder one can start using more SV changes and a bit of variety
    2017-04-27 10:42 Net0: ones*
    2017-04-27 10:43 Net0: but below that you might want to use more simple ideas, like his diff here
    2017-04-27 10:44 Net0: the main problem is the lack of visual identity, his verses/chorus/solo/transitions all look the same
    2017-04-27 10:44 Net0: like this part was really distinct 02:49:959 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) -
    2017-04-27 10:45 Net0: but the diff looks pretty much the same all the time
  2. So I discussed with Nold about your diff and I mentioned that considering the context of the mapset as a whole, this Insane needs to implement more consistent and yet complex ideas.
    Example, you made the chorus parts only use straight sliders or sliders with red points, so no curved sliders were used here, in contrast to the other sections of the map. But the repetitive use of them in similar sections is too consistent for the intent of the mapset.
    This is just a personal suggestion based on how nold made his diff, so feel free to think of what aspects (visual of sliders, SV changes, etc) you may want, or not, to implement on your diff.
hyouri
what does nold mean?
_Yiiiii
@Net0 I'v just been doing what you said and remapped all the kiai parts, thank you for mentioning that.
btw I replaced some slider shits with well looking sliders and did some small change.

It's much harder now so I decided to rename it to Another

DJ S3RL feat. Harri Rush - Nostalgic (Nightcore Remix) (nold_1702) [iiiii's Another].osu
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369,342,241190,1,0,0:0:0:0:
152,351,241344,6,0,L|150:313,1,37.5,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
182,87,241652,2,0,L|180:49,1,37.5,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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117,277,242267,2,0,L|123:318,1,37.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
415,219,242575,6,0,B|332:254|350:194|266:214|266:214|331:267|282:339,1,281.25,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
263,348,243805,1,14,0:0:0:0:
LGV894
please od8.5 it's notelocking @od8 in 1/8 sliderstream
ProfessionalBox
00:24:729 - This part is genious on the posthumous diff.

Really cool map overall aswell
LGV894

ProfessionalBox wrote:

00:24:729 - This part is genious on the posthumous diff.

Really cool map overall aswell
ikr it's teh msot staisfyign to paly in teh enitre mpa
bbj0920
i'd love to smoke whatever you are high on
VINXIS
00:33:344 (1) - this is offscreen btw
Topic Starter
Ulysses
@CLSW
Minato Yukina
lul
Kamisama-
hello @CLSW
happy623
wa
hi-mei
one of the best maps ive ever seen.

tho i could improve some stuff there in last diff

basically the say u made some sliders/patterns isnt reflecting the song properly and deludes the player.

contact me if u interested in discussion, cuz i dont really want to write a huge useless wall here.

alright i shud bring up few things here, i feel like
Posthumous
00:10:267 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - in contrast with 00:11:190 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - this, and then 00:12:421 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - i dont hear any acceleration in music there, youre just randomly increasing ds, and also
00:13:652 (1,2,1,2,1) - this shud be part of previous pattern, cuz its a same sound phrase, if ure out of place it doesnt mean u shud break some pattern that ure already started.
00:14:729 (1,2) - these two can be put in the center of the flower
00:17:344 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - the problem with reverse-slider stream is that you never know how much u should hold the cursor on each slider, i highly recommend to rework it to just slider stream, cuz the way it is now is joke

00:18:575 (1) - this "tear" shud be more symmetrical (if u separate the tear by 2 on similar parts by Y-axis, it mostly shud be symmetrical)
http://puu.sh/vTPdI/a7b190ddad.jpg something like this i think

00:24:729 - this part
00:25:959 - i think u can separate these things by new phrases,
00:27:190 - etc
00:29:652 -
00:30:882 -
00:32:113 -

01:05:190 (1) - this thing shud be at least inclined to the next note, cuz SV is too high here
01:17:652 (1,2) - isnt this ds too much in comparison with 01:18:113 (1,2,1,2) - its the same in my opinion, the same thing happens later

01:36:113 (1,2) - why is this sv so different? ure not mapping vocals here
there are few places with the same issue, im not bothering to find but i think that these sliders shud be at least preddictable, especially when they have similar shape

also, some of the sldier ends shud be muted
02:29:344 (2) - example, shud be at least 20%

02:33:959 - maybe map this break?, u didnt skip such places where u can apply some gimmicky stuff
02:43:805 (1) - this slider
this tear looks aesthetically bad
http://puu.sh/vTPC8/341e4e04ec.jpg

maybe this one is better http://puu.sh/vTPDp/b43d1673ef.jpg

02:47:652 (1) - not sure if this shud be a reverse slider, you already did slider arts on similar sounds, and skipped a lot of beats.
why not do the same here

03:03:498 (1) - it can be a slider that covers all the 03:02:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - here
http://puu.sh/vTPTV/0ef55e9b0b.jpg like this

you shud use 6.67 ds for that tho, maybe also it would be better if he will go anticlock-wise
03:09:344 (1) - again slider speed issue, its unpreddictable
also, there are a lot of similar sliders, please consider to fix them all
03:54:267 - same thing about spacing as i mentioned above
03:58:729 (1,2) - same thing about flower
04:01:344 (1) - same thing about reverse slider stream
04:02:575 (1) - ok so this curve:
http://puu.sh/vTPZq/62faca0336.jpg

maybe make it like this? http://puu.sh/vTQ20/6520b6d206.jpg i moved the sldier a bit accidentally

alright thats it, gl
Minato Yukina
hi @everyone
melloe
youre a genius
Topic Starter
Ulysses

hi-mei wrote:

one of the best maps ive ever seen.

tho i could improve some stuff there in last diff

basically the say u made some sliders/patterns isnt reflecting the song properly and deludes the player.

contact me if u interested in discussion, cuz i dont really want to write a huge useless wall here.

alright i shud bring up few things here, i feel like
Posthumous
00:10:267 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - in contrast with 00:11:190 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - this, and then 00:12:421 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - i dont hear any acceleration in music there, youre just randomly increasing ds, and also :arrow:I am aware of the random change in spacing in this segment. However, I will keep it as it is due to three reasons:
(i) The changes in spacing are hardly perceivable for players.
(ii) I cannot conceive of a pattern that maintains the consistency wihtout sacrificing the aesthetic.
(iii) The changes in spacing in concern are not enlarging on one way but also shrink, such that the spacing between 00:11:190 (1,2) is larger than that between 00:12:114 (1,2). The spacing at 12114 ends up virtually similar to the last jump in the previous pattern.


00:13:652 (1,2,1,2,1) - this shud be part of previous pattern, cuz its a same sound phrase, if ure out of place it doesnt mean u shud break some pattern that ure already started. :arrow:I would argue that from 13652 onwards it becomes a new pattern. If you agree that 00:11:190 (1) can be separated from the previous pattern because it is on another rhymical section (the big 1/1) notwithstanding the sound here is virtually identical to 00:10:883 (1), you are obliged to obey the same logic and thus apply it to 00:13:652 (1).
00:14:729 (1,2) - these two can be put in the center of the flower :arrow:It is positioned in the corner for a purpose. It is used to contrast the homogeneous but reflected pattern at the end.
00:17:344 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - the problem with reverse-slider stream is that you never know how much u should hold the cursor on each slider, i highly recommend to rework it to just slider stream, cuz the way it is now is joke :arrow:The readability on this particular reversed-slider stream is high due to the next reversed slider appears straight after hitting the first and players can by that know they are meant to hit the sliders as a stream instead of holding the first one. Empirically speaking, many of the top testers I have sought successfully read this part with some of whom FCed it effortlessly.

00:18:575 (1) - this "tear" shud be more symmetrical (if u separate the tear by 2 on similar parts by Y-axis, it mostly shud be symmetrical) :arrow:Thank you for reminding, changed. :D
http://puu.sh/vTPdI/a7b190ddad.jpg something like this i think

00:24:729 - this part
00:25:959 - i think u can separate these things by new phrases,
00:27:190 - etc
00:29:652 -
00:30:882 -
00:32:113 -
:arrow:I hesitate to change this becasue if I did it would not play like and purport to be taiko, which is my primary execution on this novel pattern.



01:05:190 (1) - this thing shud be at least inclined to the next note, cuz SV is too high here :arrow:Good point. Changed.
01:17:652 (1,2) - isnt this ds too much in comparison with 01:18:113 (1,2,1,2) - its the same in my opinion, the same thing happens later :arrow:changed

01:36:113 (1,2) - why is this sv so different? ure not mapping vocals here :arrow:I dont follow the vocal here though.
there are few places with the same issue, im not bothering to find but i think that these sliders shud be at least preddictable, especially when they have similar shape :arrow:I take this point 'sliders shud be at least preddictable, especially when they have similar shape', and will polish the sliders later.

also, some of the sldier ends shud be muted :arrow:Thank you, changed.
02:29:344 (2) - example, shud be at least 20%

02:33:959 - maybe map this break?, u didnt skip such places where u can apply some gimmicky stuff :arrow:Subjectively speaking, the break is left here for the expressionism and the vibe. On one hand, The hitsound on this note is like an exploding sound which I want the players to experience the magnificence of it. On the other hand, this note is used as a transitioning note to the next relatively tranquil part and thus whatever gimmick patterns need to be avoided lest it gives a feeling of awkwardness to players that may ruin the tranquility. I would also argue that due to the fact that vocal is the only soundtrack in this section, any pattern that follows the vocal would be absurd as if I were to follow the vocal, a triplet would be mapped and that violates the quietness of this section.

02:43:805 (1) - this slider
this tear looks aesthetically bad :arrow:changed
http://puu.sh/vTPC8/341e4e04ec.jpg

maybe this one is better http://puu.sh/vTPDp/b43d1673ef.jpg

02:47:652 (1) - not sure if this shud be a reverse slider, you already did slider arts on similar sounds, and skipped a lot of beats.
why not do the same here :arrow:This should be a reversed slider. In this segment, I am following the vocal here. Since no vocal when this slider is happening, I have no other choice but to add a reverse.

03:03:498 (1) - it can be a slider that covers all the 03:02:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - here
http://puu.sh/vTPTV/0ef55e9b0b.jpg like this :arrow:But then the velocity would be thunder-like and would base on nothing but the shape of the stream, not ideal, creative suggestion though, I have never thought of that.

you shud use 6.67 ds for that tho, maybe also it would be better if he will go anticlock-wise
03:09:344 (1) - again slider speed issue, its unpreddictable :arrow:I will change this when I can come up with a novel idea.
also, there are a lot of similar sliders, please consider to fix them all
03:54:267 - same thing about spacing as i mentioned above :arrow:same response
03:58:729 (1,2) - same thing about flower :arrow:same response
04:01:344 (1) - same thing about reverse slider stream :arrow:same response
04:02:575 (1) - ok so this curve: :arrow:Good
http://puu.sh/vTPZq/62faca0336.jpg

maybe make it like this? http://puu.sh/vTQ20/6520b6d206.jpg i moved the sldier a bit accidentally

alright thats it, gl
Thank you very much for your kindness in offering all those the suggestions. I am conscious of the slider problem in the kiais so I will make changes in the sliders in concern.
EDIT: And all your starssssssss <333333
J_8579
masterpiece map

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