animask wrote:

Vote: foulcoon

Reason: Not giving information that's actually useful in proving his innocence.

That's a horrible reason to vote someone. That's a Burden of Proof.

Eh, I got nothing. I still don't know how I feel about lynching foul (I've already stated my reasons for this), but hopefully the results will give us some insight for tomorrow.

Death, most people would feel sad when someone they've been conversing with dies.

However, you are not.

Why, you may ask?

Well, you're celebrating the death of foulcoon. He was a Mafia Politician.

It is now night 2. Send in all night actions by 24 hours from this point.

NoHItter - Amnesiac Cop - Killed Night 2.

It is now Day 3. With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch. Deadline is in 5 days.

...well how about that.

So I'm thinking Rantai is likely town, he was on foul's case all day yesterday and it would be a pretty ballsy move to gun for your mafia partner like that.

Here's the amnesiac cop description from the wiki:

MafiaWiki wrote:

An Amnesiac Cop functions as a normal Cop, but does not receive the results of its investigations. Those investigation results are sent to another (unknown) player. The subversion of this unknown player being a Mafioso or a Serial Killer has been done to death.

I think it should be safe to have the receiver of the investigations claim and let us know the results, but keep in mind that the receiver isn't guaranteed to be pro-town.

It'd be nice to hear from Rolled, this game could use a painstakingly detailed post-by-post analysis.

My second guess was going to be NoHItter, but since he got NK'd I have to find someone else who is could be mafia...

Also, 0_o, the receiver could have been a mafia member and decided to kill the confirmed aux role, but the reciever
can't prove that those investigations are correct.

First, we could try finding out who didn't vote for foulcoon. 0_o, your first vote was in order to make Firo/foulcoon to to talk, but
you unvoted afterwards.

Now for my first ever attempt at a 'process of elimination' vote.

Haneii - Seems to be a townie, because of how she discussed with foulcoon.
Rantai - Thought of as a townie by 0_o (based on how he targetted foulcoon)
Rolled - No suspicions on him...
0_o - No suspicions on him, but he tries hard to be a helpful pro-townie.


FoS 0_o and Rolled

I'm guessing there will be only 1 more mafia member (again).

It will come soon faceman, I promise.

Also responding to prod.

I've started school back up, and the pace the game was going really didn't make it a top priority. Glad to see it going in the right direction now, and I'm going to contribute hopefully later tonight.

I've also asked LS a question, and I'm trying to wait for a response before I go accusing people of things.

Well then.

Rolled, make some kind of response please. >.>

But hmm, who do we have left?

Haneii - I'm convinced she is town. She's the one who aggravated foulcoon to the point of insults and subsequently paved the way to his lynching (imo). (Read: Page 10)

animask - Conflicted, leaning town. I feel he was following the current a bit, being the last to vote based on a very weak reason Noted here compounded with a sudden jump from NoHItter to foulcoon (as he came under pressure). However, This post tells me he was kind of on him before the pressure started mounting.

It may well be just his playstyle, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Rolled - Conflicted, no read. The moment foulcoon came onto the stage he went dead silent. What does that actually imply? I have no idea yet.

Looking back to his posts, he was heavily on Ph0X's case, made a bit of a jab at Firo, jumped onto animask's WIFOM and was clearing Haneii. (Read: Page 7) Nothing here that stands out as scummy or town - overall I cannot distinguish anything from him.

0_o - Half way convinced to scum.

(Read: Page 5) Ok so he had a small generic banter with NoHItter. It started off as questioning his game play then quickly dropped coupled with a sudden topic changer. More or less I feel that he was just looking for something to stay out of the inactive radar. Following that he has basically stayed neutral the entire game. (Not going to fish for his posts)

This is now all theories.

There was this one post that went against Firo. But I suspect this was only used to make his teammate (under the assumption of mafia) speak up to try and dig herself out of her rut (by that point we had quite a few people on her) or possibly distance himself away from her lest she be the next lynch)

She dropped, however and now he had foulcoon who seemed much more active. This lead to an unvote under the guise that 'she was busy'. Convenient? I think so.

Theories end.

Interestingly;

Rantai wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

This is what made me think you're misunderstanding things. If you took the time to read and understand that I was stating that I don't think NoHItter is mafia, you wouldn't say that I'm "doing the same thing" as Firo was. Frankly I don't agree with what Ph0X and Firo were getting at, I honestly believe that Firo was trying to put as little effort into the game as possible.

You say this, but...

foulcoon wrote:

I don't think I need to add commentary, I'm not Ph0X. Just look at his posts its quite obvious what I mean when I say hes an aggressive player.

Firo Prochainezo wrote:

I don't need to repeat what Ph0X said.

0_o wrote:

I wanted Firo to explain his actions (or lack thereof). But while foul now has Firo's role, he doesn't have his mind, so there really isn't any point in interrogating him over what Firo was thinking. foul already gave his own opinion on NoHItter, and Firo's quitting message gave (me at least) a reasonable explanation for his brevity, so I really don't have anything else to ask from him.

Was that really his own opinion or was that just an easy scapegoat? I felt it was clear it was the latter, yet 0_o didn't respond to it at all, even partly defending him (through neutrality);

0_o wrote:

Eh, I got nothing. I still don't know how I feel about lynching foul (I've already stated my reasons for this), but hopefully the results will give us some insight for tomorrow.

---

So, maybe I'm over-thinking this but that is all I've got at this stage.

As it stands - 0_o > Rolled > animask > Haneii

*Useless doublepost*

Oh wow I think I used 3 different types of post referencing there. Oops XD

Alright, let's get talkin', folks.

Rantai wrote:

(Read: Page 5) Ok so he had a small generic banter with NoHItter. It started off as questioning his game play then quickly dropped coupled with a sudden topic changer. More or less I feel that he was just looking for something to stay out of the inactive radar.

I dropped it because I was satisfied with his answer - in previous games he has stated that he doesn't take meta into account, so there really wasn't anything more to say.

Following that he has basically stayed neutral the entire game.

If you check out my previous games you'll see that I rarely do have any strong opinions within the first couple days. I usually don't attack anyone without (what I think is) hard evidence, and with so little activity I really didn't get enough information from anyone to make a decent case.

There was this one post that went against Firo. But I suspect this was only used to make his teammate (under the assumption of mafia) speak up to try and dig herself out of her rut (by that point we had quite a few people on her) or possibly distance himself away from her lest she be the next lynch)

She dropped, however and now he had foulcoon who seemed much more active. This lead to an unvote under the guise that 'she was busy'. Convenient? I think so.

Looking at that now, yeah I can see how that would look sketchy. Again though, it really is just my playstyle. Her brevity was the very reason for my suspicion, but when it was revealed that she was busy with IRL stuff that really was enough evidence to dilute my suspicions.

[foul says NoHItter is aggressive without explaination, Rantai calls him out saying it's the same thing Firo did with Ph0X]
Was that really his own opinion or was that just an easy scapegoat? I felt it was clear it was the latter, yet 0_o didn't respond to it at all, even partly defending him (through neutrality)

I was actually going to attack you on that, but I was struggling with the wording of the post because it was late and I was freakishly tired, so I basically went "screw it, I'm not gonna be able to change any opinions in the next hour anyway" and went to bed Basically though, I thought it was pretty obvious that NoHItter was an aggressive player (which, actually, is probably why I'm suspicious of him all the time) so I didn't think anything of foul not providing exact quotes. I really didn't think it was a valid attack, though now that I'm 100% coherent I suppose I could see where you're coming from having not played with NoHItter as much.

Oh, when did Rolled make a post? My mistake for missing it.

Anyway.

0_o wrote:

I was actually going to attack you on that, but I was struggling with the wording of the post because it was late and I was freakishly tired, so I basically went "screw it, I'm not gonna be able to change any opinions in the next hour anyway" and went to bed Basically though, I thought it was pretty obvious that NoHItter was an aggressive player (which, actually, is probably why I'm suspicious of him all the time) so I didn't think anything of foul not providing exact quotes. I really didn't think it was a valid attack, though now that I'm 100% coherent I suppose I could see where you're coming from having not played with NoHItter as much.

This is way too reliant on meta don't you think?

Yes, it was obvious he was an aggressive player. The fact that foulcoon just echoed this was what jarred me (No, really all he said was "NoHItter is aggressive").

Hold on, by what you're saying, the norm for NoHItter is aggression and that it should just be taken as is. So then foulcoon commenting on that is basically like me saying the sky is blue then? If so, then you would have me believe that he was just stating the obvious, which is just as bad as it gives the impression he is adding something when he really is adding nothing. (like someone trying to avoid attention)

I fail to see how that works. If I misunderstood, can you clarify it for me. Maybe I'm just too much of a nub to understand

However, what made me call him out was partly due to him dong what Firo was doing but also the fact that he was contradicting himself by saying he wasn't when he actually was. Losing his cool didn't help either.

But yeah if I am reading this correctly, my attack was unjustified because foulcoon was stating the obvious. I don't buy it.

0_o wrote:

I dropped it because I was satisfied with his answer - in previous games he has stated that he doesn't take meta into account, so there really wasn't anything more to say.

Meta shield again. Alright, rereading it I can see that now.

0_o wrote:

If you check out my previous games you'll see that I rarely do have any strong opinions within the first couple days. I usually don't attack anyone without (what I think is) hard evidence, and with so little activity I really didn't get enough information from anyone to make a decent case.

More. I'm inclined to believe this. But the problem I have with it is that you can use this as an excuse to stay neutral when it benefits you.

0_o wrote:

Looking at that now, yeah I can see how that would look sketchy. Again though, it really is just my playstyle. Her brevity was the very reason for my suspicion, but when it was revealed that she was busy with IRL stuff that really was enough evidence to dilute my suspicions.

And you had no opinions whatsoever on what she actually said then?

0_o wrote:

I think it should be safe to have the receiver of the investigations claim and let us know the results, but keep in mind that the receiver isn't guaranteed to be pro-town.

I have not received the results. 0_o, it's safe to say that you did not receive the results?

Animask, Rantai, both of you have posted since 0_o has asked his question and neither have answered. Do both of you deny receiving the results?

Haneii, I'd like a yes or no answer from you too please.

Do you smell that? Smells like a textwall is approaching.

I'm managing my time a bit better for D3. Looking forward to see if the receiver is still in this game.

Rantai wrote:

Hold on, by what you're saying, the norm for NoHItter is aggression and that it should just be taken as is. So then foulcoon commenting on that is basically like me saying the sky is blue then? If so, then you would have me believe that he was just stating the obvious, which is just as bad as it gives the impression he is adding something when he really is adding nothing. (like someone trying to avoid attention)

I fail to see how that works. If I misunderstood, can you clarify it for me.

The point that he was trying to make wasn't that NoHItter was aggressive; he said himself that that fact was obvious. His claim was that he saw NoHItter as town because of that obvious aggression:
[quote="foulcoon":7a782]Honestly from what I've read nohitter is a pretty aggressive player. He almost seems too aggressive to be mafia to me so I'll withhold judgment for now. I would like to hear more from Haneii though, as a no-lynch vote on day 1 seems to be the extend of his/her activity. I know that this might sound hypocritical considering Firo's activity, but I promise to try to be much more active.

But yeah if I am reading this correctly, my attack was unjustified because foulcoon was stating the obvious. I don't buy it.

I believe your attack was unjustified because it was based on him not bothering to prove the obvious. Make sense?

But the problem I have with it is that you can use this as an excuse to stay neutral when it benefits you.

Perhaps, but there's really not a whole lot I can do about that.

And you had no opinions whatsoever on what she actually said then?

Not exactly sure what you mean here. I simply believed her behavior was legitimately explainable by her IRL business.

Rolled wrote:

I have not received the results. 0_o, it's safe to say that you did not receive the results?

No results here.

Questions for mod, or anybody else that can answer them:
Is the receiver of the amnesia cop's investigations aware of NoHitter's identity?
Is there a different receiver each night?
If the receiver has been killed, would we be aware by their identity in their death-post? (doubtful)
Mafia can receive the amnesia cop's results as well, correct? (I think this is stated at the end of amnesia cop's role ID from mafiawiki, but the wording is retarded)

mod(continued)
Would NoHitter at least be aware if the receiver (assuming it's only one person) has died, making their role useless?

Rolled wrote:

Questions for mod, or anybody else that can answer them:
Is the receiver of the amnesia cop's investigations aware of NoHitter's identity?
Is there a different receiver each night?
If the receiver has been killed, would we be aware by their identity in their death-post? (doubtful)
Mafia can receive the amnesia cop's results as well, correct? (I think this is stated at the end of amnesia cop's role ID from mafiawiki, but the wording is retarded)
Would NoHitter at least be aware if the receiver (assuming it's only one person) has died, making their role useless?

1. I cannot answer this question.
2. I cannot answer this question.
3. I cannot answer this question.
4. Yes, it is possible that a mafia member would be the reciever of the results.
5. Assuming that there's just one reciever, I would inform them. It is very similar to how I treat enabler roles.

Rolled wrote:

Haneii, I'd like a yes or no answer from you too please.

No


My FoS list atm:


0_o = rolled =animask > Rantai


0_o : A bit too neutral imo. I'm pretty tired atm so I'm keeping things short but it's mainly from your past posts just helping others with their plays/suggestions etc... You don't seem driven to find/get rid of mafia. I guess I'm just suspicious of your goal.

rolled:I know nothing about you. Because I can't read your actions you are a bit threatening...

animask : I've can't shake the suspicions I had of you since the start of the game. Your logic/actions all over the place @_@. The way you jumped onto foulcoon at the end of day 2 was a bit odd. But your reasoning was "animask" like...really conflicted here :<

Rantai: I honestly didn't understand why you voted for foulcoon.

Rantai wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

I don't think I need to add commentary, I'm not Ph0X. Just look at his posts its quite obvious what I mean when I say hes an aggressive player.

Firo Prochainezo wrote:

I don't need to repeat what Ph0X said.

Maybe my reading comprehension sucks, but that looks like you're doing the same thing as Firo, taking Ph0X's arguements etc and saying "what he said".

Quite frankly, I'm not convinced that you're not also looking for an easy jump. Vote: foulcoon

I don't remember him using any of PH0X's arguments so that post confuses me. Anyways, he turned out to be mafia so I'm not complaining. And because of that turn out, you're at the bottom of my FoS list.

Rolled wrote:

0_o wrote:

Animask, Rantai, both of you have posted since 0_o has asked his question and neither have answered. Do both of you deny receiving the results?

I have not received any results.

Did I misinterpret that?

"Just look at his posts its quite obvious what I mean when I say hes an aggressive player" my belief was he was referring to Ph0X.

I believe your attack was unjustified because it was based on him not bothering to prove the obvious. Make sense?

I don't believe I asked him to prove anything, just simply asking him for reasons why he thought NoHItter was aggressive. Ie. I didn't need him to prove to me he's aggressive, I just wanted to know what was going through his head in his own words.

0_o wrote:

The point that he was trying to make wasn't that NoHItter was aggressive; he said himself that that fact was obvious. His claim was that he saw NoHItter as town because of that obvious aggression:
[quote="foulcoon":f9ad4]Honestly from what I've read nohitter is a pretty aggressive player. He almost seems too aggressive to be mafia to me so I'll withhold judgment for now. I would like to hear more from Haneii though, as a no-lynch vote on day 1 seems to be the extend of his/her activity. I know that this might sound hypocritical considering Firo's activity, but I promise to try to be much more active.

Ok I see where you're coming from. However, that did not seem like he saw him as town to me, merely he's conflicted between which role he thinks he is.

Okay, I'm going to assume that animask will respond the same as everybody else. Admitting you have the results right now is not the most beneficial thing to do, because it would be obvious to them, that I know a mafia member was NoHitter's proxy.

Granted, I'm not 100% positive. There is a small chance that one of our dead townies hold the results, however I find this unlikely as our only two townies (pre-NoHitter) to die were D1. Maybe it's wrong to expect NoHitter to roleclaim once he realizes his role is useless, but truth is I do expect it.

Let me clear up some confusion now caused by my first paragraph.

Roleclaim: Jailer.

I protected NoHitter n2, which I felt was a no-brainer play, yet to my surprise he ended up being night-killed. I even contacted LS to make sure my night action was accounted for.

There's a few reasons I feel it is safe/required for me to role-claim right now. 1, being, that I feel the most likely situation is NoHitter scanned me Night 1, and the results were given to a mafia member. Therefor, if mafia know my role, everybody else may as well also. Second reason being, perhaps I'm confused. At this point I feel the only possibility of my protection not succeeding is that I was roleblocked. If there is a more pro-town explanation of how this could occur, I'd like to know asap so I don't go off in the wrong direction.

Let's assume my first reason is correct. The mafia now have my role information, and it is useful on multiple levels. The first way is to claim that they are the pro-town receiver of NoHitter's discoveries. That said, it would not be beneficial for them to directly accuse me of being scum. Another way, which I feel has already been accomplished, is to roleblock me at a time where it is obvious who the night-kill target is going to be. I'm also assuming here that the mafia member is not aware who the Cop actually is, otherwise NoHitter would be a bad NK target as it's free information.

Now given my above reasoning, I'll analyze the players remaining in the game, obviously exemplifying myself. If you feel I'm mafia it's up to you to fill in the blanks.

1. 0_o (ISO)
2. Rantai (ISO)
3. Haneii [(ISO)
4. animask (ISO)
5. Rolled (ISO) (if you are lazy and feel the need for it)

I am eliminating Rantai as a suspect, as they were the second vote on Foulcoon D2 (unlikely if mafia), etc. All of this has already been said.

1. 0_o
2. Haneii
3. animask

Haneii was a large part in forcing foulcoon to his breaking point. Not entirely as exemplified as Rantai, though close.

1. 0_o
2. animask

Let's start with 0_o's ISO. A few things stuck out to me:

0_o wrote:

Vote Firo to get him talking.This was 0_o's only vote throughout the entire game, which was removed short after. I understand this was addressed, and 0_o has stated why he removed his vote, however it does seem a bit too forgiving to not continue the fire on foulcoon, knowing that he's in a bad spot due to Firo.

Not only did 0_o cast only one vote, but he also pushed votes from other players.

0_o wrote:

1.5 hours left, guys. Rereading thread now, let's actually get some votes in before the day ends?

An easy way to ensure you have no ties with mafia is to not create any ties with anybody. Obviously voting isn't the only ways to create ties, however. Since we're on that subject, I'd like to point out that the only players 0_o has "attacked" (or came close to) are confirmed town (with the exception of animask). (assuming Rantai and Haneii are confirmed, I understand not literally) He's also defended foulcoon a few times, who is confirmed mafia (derp) Quotes were not used to save space.


These were all of 0_o's posts that I found to be somewhat suggestive of a person's scum relation. I did exclude 0_o's defending of foulcoon, however hopefully they're fresh in everyone's mind. I'm starting to run out of steam here, been typing this for like an hour. Also I'd like to note that 0_o has never attacked me, where I feel it was due (supporting one of the benefits of possessing my role information as mafia). I'm not proud of my lack of activity as soon as foulcoon joined the game, in fact I'll say it was rather scummy. Rantai had a good point there.

Before I fall asleep, let's talk about animask:

I really can't put in the same amount of effort as I did with 0_o, and that's not fair. My brain is pretty exhausted. One thing that's very important (imo) to note, is that animask was the third on the bandwagon for Ph0x, and a third on the bandwagon for foulcoon. This is a bit bookwormy, but I find the tell to be rather revealing from personal experience:

MafiaScum.net - Tells for finding mafia wrote:

Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia (+15)Animask's vote on both players actually reveals a lot. It sealed the deal for Ph0x's lynching, (3 voted ph0x, 2 voted Firo) and in the case of foulcoon, it was a last-minute attempt to distance himself. Foulcoon was getting lynched D2 whether animask voted or not.

That said, combined with the fact that I don't recall animask directly attacking me after D2, I'm going to vote for animask

Worst case scenario IMO, is if animask turns out to be town, it will be a Day 4 town victory as opposed to a Day 3 town victory (lynching 0_o d4)

Enjoy reading that. Good night.

/dies
Good luck town.

If that's the case I guess it really doesn't matter who get's lynched first.

vote: 0_o because I'm more suspicious of him than I am of animask.

That is a lot to digest.

Wait let's see. 4 v 1 --> mislynch assumed, town NK --> 2v1.

Good point.

Animask's vote on both players actually reveals a lot. It sealed the deal for Ph0x's lynching, (3 voted ph0x, 2 voted Firo)

How did I miss this? I knew there was reason why animask was irking me

As for 0_o, you are making solid points but I'm still wary.

Very conflicted now, I am willing to trust that Rolled is not lying at this point, unless someone counterclaims.

I'll wait a bit and see how animask responds.

Animask's vote on both players actually reveals a lot. It sealed the deal for Ph0x's lynching, (3 voted ph0x, 2 voted Firo)

Sorry but I don't understand. How does it reveal a lot? Can someone clarify/explain, please?

Firo (mafia) was tied (actually, count pre-animask-vote was 2-1 favoring ph0x. However with something like three or four not voting, it could sway easily) with votes for Ph0x (town). Animask's vote nearly assured that his (hypothetically?) mafia partner wasn't lynched.

Nvm, reread the original post/paragraph

Think I should go to sleep, I'm having trouble thinking things through XD

woah, ninja

Risky time

My votes weren't actually hammer votes, were they? Anyways I actually have a way of proving myself as pro-town, but that would require me to do something really risky for the town. First, I will use my role to get killed, then you will have to decide on someone who is more suspicious than me. If this happens, you will be able to vote for someone who could be mafia at the expense that 3 townies could be killed in a row. This would happen if you miss-lynch after my sacrifice. Which would make it a Lynch-Lose tomorrow (if I did my math right). So... I'll try to prevent that situation. Unless Rolled is correct and 0_o is actually mafia, then we would win on Day 3 instead. (Making my sacrifice a complete success.)

If the mafia have results on me, they wouldn't really want to lynch me just yet, since I don't have a very useful role. They could easily
try to frame me during the Day, but they probably didn't think I would come up with this use for my role.

@Rolled, your vote is obviously not for pressure, but I think it's too early to vote for now. Same for Haneii, but I was going to vote
for 0_o if I couldn't find anyone else who was more suspicious. I remember being suspicious of you and you reply back with a vote against me? Seems kind of scummy to me... though you could change your mind after what I just posted. I still don't get how you manage to rely on
a single "scum tell" while you have more information on 0_o. A simple FoS or HoS could be enough for now...

@0_o, no, I haven't received any results. You're talking about the investigation results, right?

Fair enough, and I'll believe you. Is there a reason you didn't provide your actual role? Perhaps you aren't allowed to claim (which you most likely aren't allowed to say you cannot claim, either. Don't do that.) It'll be annoying to sort through the 100 roles in Mafia, since I have little clue about most of them.

Unvote

Vote: 0_o

animask wrote:

Anyways I actually have a way of proving myself as pro-town, but that would require me to do something really risky for the town. First, I will use my role to get killed, then you will have to decide on someone who is more suspicious than me. If this happens, you will be able to vote for someone who could be mafia at the expense that 3 townies could be killed in a row. This would happen if you miss-lynch after my sacrifice. Which would make it a Lynch-Lose tomorrow (if I did my math right). So... I'll try to prevent that situation. Unless Rolled is correct and 0_o is actually mafia, then we would win on Day 3 instead. (Making my sacrifice a complete success.)

5 people. Self sacrifice (-1), mislynch (-1), NK (-1) = 2 people. That's going to be game over, no ly-lo.

So yes, don't go and do that.

It was either you or 0_o for me, 2 are already on 0_o so unless all 3 of us vote Rolled or Haneii I don't see 0_o getting out of it.

So without further ado; Vote: 0_o

adieu

0_o was suspicious.

0_o was voted for.

0_o was lynched.

0_o was a Mafia Strongman.

Town was winrar.

TOWN WINS!

Edit: Role lists soon.

/cheer

Now who was my buddy? I'm still too scared to roleclaim lol

Mafia Strongman (0_o) - Every other day can Strongkill, which bypasses protections such as bulletproof vests, hiding, or doctor.

Mafia Politician (Firo) - Can steal a vote each night except in LyLo.

Jailer (Rolled) - Roleblocks and protects.

(Ascetic Cop Enabler) Hider(Ph0x) - Immune to all actions except kills. Can hide with another townie but dies if that townie dies. Otherwise lives unless strongkilled. Technically won neutral but still counted as town in LyLo. Recieved results from Amnesiac Cop, and cop is disabled if killed. (Basically, if played as if town there's a higher chance of winning. Results would only be told when it would guarentee a win, theoretically.)

Doublevoter (DxS) - Can vote twice.

Amnesiac Cop (Sends to enabler.) (NoHItter) - Sends results to the Hider.

(Miller) One-shot (Rantai) Bulletproof. - Investigates as guilty. Immune to one nightkill.

Relay Mason (animask) - Mason, but names aren't told and attempts at telling the other person who you are are censored or the message may not be sent. Messaged relayed by host.

Relay Mason (Haneii) - Mason, but names aren't told and attempts at telling the other person who you are are censored or the message may not be sent. Messaged relayed by host.

Edit: The title was a total lie, by the way. This game was more experimental than the last. It worked pretty well though, I guess.

Mod notes:

I felt like the roles were pretty balanced, but unsure because politician and doublevoter both never acted, Amnesiac cop results were never obtained, and Hider never acted.

Relay Mason felt like a nice way to add some mystery and keep nice balance.

Strongman felt like a nice mafia role, I'll likely include again in future games.

More notes may be added as I think of them.

I would like input from the players on the setup, and how they liked or disliked their roles.

Just a quick thought on my role. After a lynch though and after I'd cast a vote though saying if the power of my double vote actually decided the lynch I think it'd be much more obvious who has that role.

Kinda glad I got lynched first seeing as I got immediately busy right when Day 1 was beginning but good game either way.

Also chuckled a bit how I kept seeing Firo post in other parts of the forum after she opted out of the game though...

FUN FACT, this is the first time I've been lynched aside from being hammered by the mafia at lylo in Newbie Mafia 2.

But erg, I've been telling myself for AGES that when I finally get a mafia role that I wouldn't hesitate to take down my mafia partner if he was suspicious. I just didn't expect the suspicion to happen so quickly >_>

Here's my side of the story:
-I was this close to attacking Firo Day 1, but then the tables started to turn on Ph0X, and I decided to go with it and plan a recovery plan with Firo that night.
-That night I told her that she needed to come up with an excuse for her inactivity/brevity, and she said that she'd be more active in the future. Awesome. None of us had any strong opinions for the nightkill, and I was going to be away for the last ~18 hours of the night so I just told her to pick whoever she wants. I got back with about 10 minutes left in the night and didn't get a response back from her, so I had no idea whether she sent the kill or not. So I just made the decision to kill DxS because he wasn't very active and I figured I'd help keep the game moving.
-Day 2 starts, and oh look, Firo's gone. And I couldn't say anything to foul until the next night so we couldn't plan anything. I really did think the busy excuse would work, especially since Firo leaving proved it, but I clearly overestimated its effectiveness I ended up being too far along defending him to back down, so I held on in the hopes that someone would think "he wouldn't have defended him that obviously if they really were mafia buddies, would he?" after foul flipped mafia. Nnnnnnnnnnnnope.
-I knew I was pretty much screwed Day 3, so at that point it just became a game of "let's see if I can make it to Day 4" I was gone for a lot of today though (IRL) so I couldn't post but I spent a lot of time thinking of possible attacks, roleclaims, etc. But honestly, by the time I got home I was just thinking "screw it, just get it over with"

Ah well, it was fun. Definitely a lot harder than I thought it was going to be, I found it quite difficult to attack players that I knew were innocent. I was a proud of myself for using my strongkill at the right time, so that was something at least

EDIT: Oh yeah, Firo using his politician role would have been realllly useful. Oh well.

My text wall was wrong on so many levels. What a waste.

zzzzz

Cool, I guessed that my partner was either Rantai or Haneii at the start (after first relay). At the end I immediately thought Haneii (because of her "I'm currently not suspicious of NoHiTter and Haneii" remark). I wasn't completely sure what to do with this since it was Day 3 already... I just used this to ensure that Haneii wasn't mafia. With that I could use everyone's current suspicions to do some process of elimination. Since 0_o was the only suspicious one left I thought I should vote for him. In case he found a way to frame me (or some dumb luck and some townie thought I was mafia) I decided I would gamble a bit and go for the roleclaim modkill. After recieving the PM that I would actually lose instead of helping town win, I decided to keep going with my plan anyways (except I wouldn't actually roleclaim). Everyone seemed pretty convinced with 0_o so I probably just had to prove myself innocent somehow. I somehow enjoyed how Ph0X wasn't in this game (no offense), because his playstyle seemed to confuse me a lot more than 0_o did. I think I somewhat improved in this game.

Also, for the record animask, my vote for you originally instead of 0_o after the textwall, is I felt you were easier to read when put under pressure with some solidish proof behind it. Hope you don't take offense to it, but I think it definitely worked out well. I would have bet money you were pro-town after that subtle roleclaim.

If I would have put the immediate pressure on 0_o, I feel it would have been annoying to read him regardless of his alliance. Little bugger, with his law degree.

I knew animask was a mason since N2.

In one of the messages relayed to me:

animask wrote:

...the last post he(NoHitter) made about my reason for voting seemed to be an attempt to protect foulcoon without
actually targetting him or my decision.

I guess Mod forgot to edit the post or didn't catch that. I was never told his alliance but I was leaning a little bit towards town since he was trying to get me to help lynch NoHitter next, but he ended up getting killed by mafia that night.

This game was fun >w<

Haneii wrote:

I knew animask was a mason since N2.

In one of the messages relayed to me:

animask wrote:

...the last post he(NoHitter) made about my reason for voting seemed to be an attempt to protect foulcoon without
actually targetting him or my decision.

I guess Mod forgot to edit the post or didn't catch that. I was never told his alliance but I was leaning a little bit towards town since he was trying to get me to help lynch NoHitter next, but he ended up getting killed by mafia that night.

This game was fun >w<

Yep, I didn't catch it. But, that's part of the fun of Relay Mason (For me.)

Not that Masonry needed much of a chance since masons can be mafia. I just wanted to try something new.

That was my first ever town game (woohoo I've completed a full round of town/mafia/neutral!)

Glad I stuck with my initial feelings that game, it came back to kick me last time >.<

I would like input from the players on the setup, and how they liked or disliked their roles.

I can't really say much, I was basically a newbie vanilla thrown into the big pool but I can say I enjoyed it.

I love you tunnel (on Firo).
This just goes to show that sometimes you have to trust your gut.
(Though not too much.)

Incidentally, I had thought a thief stole my ability N1.
Oh well.

I got set up for failure.

I'm glad you finally figured it out Day 3 Haneii, but I was fucking frustrated all of Day 2.

Yeah foulcoon. Can't blame you there.
You replaced into a real scummy slot and people suspected the slot you replaced in to.
If I was offered to replace into a slot like that, I would refuse.