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Puppe
8 posts
Joined April 2015
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Puppe
So I've been playing osu! since last summer. A while back, five to four months back I started to play for PP, and I've been trying to FC maps since then but with poor results, and now I'm pretty much exhausted.

I've started to play more for fun, but I'd like to improve and gain people while having fun as well, but I feel like my improvement is really slow, and don't really know what kind of maps i should be playing.

I'm bad at streaming, I've been playing long stream maps, fast stream maps and burst and training, I've been getting better at it, and if I continue doing the same thing I believe I'm going to get good (At least i hope so? xD) So it should be fine.
But, I'm terribly inconsistent. My average accuracy is low and I miss a lot easy jumps etc.
For example, often playing 5*+ maps I feel I can easily FC, I get these really dumb misses and accuracy loss. So I'm guessing it might be lack of consecration?

Basically I'm completely clueless on what kind of maps I'm supposed to play, also my finger control feels really bad. Don't know what kind of attitude I should be going with when playing just to improve.
Booze
220 posts
Joined July 2014
Booze
I'd say play all kinds of maps, play multiplayer and practice.

Want to get better at streams? Play more stream maps.
Want to get better at 5* maps? Play more 5* maps.
etc

Playing long maps helps with consistency, and I think never retrying or quitting map also helps a ton with consistency.
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris
Look at your hand. Look at your fingers when streaming.
Does your wrist move or tremble? Do your fingers go up farther than necessary when resetting the key while streaming?
Do you hit the keys in a 90° angle with your fingers or is it more 45° or even below that?
How does your usual playstyle look? Which fingers do you use? Are you alternating or singletapping? Are you capable of starting streams on either finger or are you locked into one?
Can you properly end streams on time or do you guess the timing of the last note and stop when you see it is over?
Do you hold down sliders at the end of a stream down with one or two fingers?
What is your comfortable limit at which you can gain the best streaming acc? Link the map that fits this best.
What are your limits in terms of speed? How slow can you go without totally fumbling your taps?
How is your posture? How many degrees is the angle of your elbow? Which parts of your body do you use to stabilise your hand?
Puppe
8 posts
Joined April 2015
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Puppe

Endaris wrote:

Look at your hand. Look at your fingers when streaming.
Does your wrist move or tremble? Do your fingers go up farther than necessary when resetting the key while streaming?
Do you hit the keys in a 90° angle with your fingers or is it more 45° or even below that?
How does your usual playstyle look? Which fingers do you use? Are you alternating or singletapping? Are you capable of starting streams on either finger or are you locked into one?
Can you properly end streams on time or do you guess the timing of the last note and stop when you see it is over?
Do you hold down sliders at the end of a stream down with one or two fingers?
What is your comfortable limit at which you can gain the best streaming acc? Link the map that fits this best.
What are your limits in terms of speed? How slow can you go without totally fumbling your taps?
How is your posture? How many degrees is the angle of your elbow? Which parts of your body do you use to stabilise your hand?
Not sure what you mean with resetting keys, but I'd say my fingers are in about 60 to 70 degree angles when streaming.
I always start streams and stacks with my off-finger ( Index finger ), and I almost fully singletap otherwise. If I feel like my stamina is starting to falter, I might use my off finger while singletapping, don't know if this is okay to do or not).
I almost always just guess the final note, but if it is a slider I seldom use two fingers when hitting the final note on a stream.
I get "better" acc with 160 bpm stream maps for some reason 170 bpm feels really hard for me. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/54289 I've played this map a bit, and as I stated before, I've played almost daily this map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/72474
145 bpm and below feels hard for me, I easily lose consistency and acc when playing low bpm streams.
I keep my hand like this when playing: http://imgur.com/a/kdX78 (Hope the link works :D) I have 2 tables combined so I can pretty much have my whole hand on the table when playing.

Also I don't think my wrist moves or trembles at all when I stream :P

And adding I also noticed that sometimes when doing triples I press "X Z X Z" instead of just " X Z X" Dunno why I can't control it sometimes.
Jukkii
596 posts
Joined October 2015
Jukkii
i also start all 1/4 patterns using my off-finger, theres nothing wrong in doing so
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris

Puppe wrote:

I keep my hand like this when playing: http://imgur.com/a/kdX78 (Hope the link works :D) I have 2 tables combined so I can pretty much have my whole hand on the table when playing.
I meant your tapping hand.
Nattsun
537 posts
Joined September 2016
Nattsun

Puppe wrote:

Basically I'm completely clueless on what kind of maps I'm supposed to play, also my finger control feels really bad. Don't know what kind of attitude I should be going with when playing just to improve.
I can help you out with that one. Any map. Seriously, just set a starrange you want to become consistent at, let's say 4-4.5* since you are rank ~50k. Play a map, if you miss move on to the next map. Finish maps with mapping styles you can't play and improve on things you know you are bad at. Can't jump? Download jump practice maps. Can't stream? Play streammaps until you can.

If you play like this your attitude will naturally change. You'll find so many maps that you can't even pass (not overexeggerating here) in the low 4* range that WILL change your attitude. After a few days, maybe a week you'll naturally start FCing long 4* maps and you'll gain PP without trying.
Puppe
8 posts
Joined April 2015
Topic Starter
Puppe

Endaris wrote:

Puppe wrote:

I keep my hand like this when playing: http://imgur.com/a/kdX78 (Hope the link works :D) I have 2 tables combined so I can pretty much have my whole hand on the table when playing.
I meant your tapping hand.
Oh, I feel kinda dumb now.. But I pretty much keep my whole hand like I do with my pen hand, imgur pic: http://imgur.com/a/8Z3cv

Cirno9 wrote:

I can help you out with that one. Any map. Seriously, just set a starrange you want to become consistent at, let's say 4-4.5* since you are rank ~50k. Play a map, if you miss move on to the next map.
Okay, I'll try this for a while, thanks! :P
thr1ve
80 posts
Joined December 2008
thr1ve


Good luck & Have fun :)
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris
My questions were supposed to make you observe yourself so you might identify things that hold you back in a technical way. A bad posture and tapping motion can easily be the root cause of an instability that you can only compensate through lots and lots of practice. Based on my experience it looks fine though.

The best way to practice finger control is to play slow maps. The reason is very simple:
The slower you go the more control you have to exert in order to keep a steady motion. When going as fast as you can, no control is required at all because your speed is naturally capped then.
Generally I'd tell you to forget about the squaredeathstreammaps, they're no good for control at all and rather support mashing as the stream quickly becomes too long to keep up a good motion. They're good for stamina but it's not a good idea to practice stamina before being happy with your control.

So explore your lower bpm-limit at which you still alternate streams. This differs for different people but most would start alternating streams around 120-130 bpm.
You could start with the Another Diff of this for example https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=136664&m=0
Then try to move downwards these list bpm-wise once you feel comfortable with 145bpm and so on:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

This may be frustrating at the beginning but based on my personal experience it is definitely worth it to dig a bit into these until you can play them decently.
gooder101
78 posts
Joined April 2015
gooder101
You should be playing 120 bpm streams for hand Control and long maps like 10 or more minutes.
Also don't retry more than 3 times.
Don't play maps which are too hard
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