Mitkoff wrote:

Hello
NM from my q.
Nice song choice

[Pashunagar]

1. 00:10:980 - suggest to make it clicable, 00:10:595 (1,2) - have increases in intensity, 2 beats, each stronger than previous. Or make smthing like https://puu.sh/vErr9.jpg and use 00:11:364 - beat as "stop". I made everything clickable instead
2. 00:11:749 (3,1) - 00:11:364 (3,4) - buff spacing as 4 strongest beat around It's not the strongest but yeah, I can buff it
3. 00:16:749 (1,2,3) -kinda questionable spacing because 2 noticeably weaker 3, mb http://puu.sh/vEtpH.jpg 1,5ds to 00:17:326 (2) - 2,0ds to 00:17:518 (3) - yes , btw did you changed the BG? lol[
4. 00:21:364 (4) - 1/4 reverse for catch blue tick beat?
5. 00:22:134 (5,6) - suggest use 2 1/4 sliders for better fits instruments also anyway 00:22:326 - pretty noticable beat at least maybe catch it? That'd be confusing to the players, let;s avoid it
6. 00:30:018 (2) - 1/32 snaping?, it sounds correct but is it legit?) what? It's snapped on 1/4
7. 00:35:980 - we are following vocals or piano? i mean i don't see any reason for catch vocals without beat and beat without strong vocals.... You usually skip white tick piano sounds so make sense use 1/2 slider here too https://puu.sh/vEudM.jpg . At least You might make pattern more "melodic"(like more stretched, have no idea how to describe...) like https://puu.sh/vEuJ1.jpg pkhg's
8. 00:38:672 (2,3,4) - fix blankets and visual spacing between 2-3 and 2-4 or at least make same curve on sliders hhh... https://puu.sh/vEsM0.jpg and You can make 00:39:634 (4) - end on 1 line with 00:40:980 (6) - . This pattern hurts me inside tbh yes yes
9. 00:42:711 (4) - make sense to buff ds before sinse it's strongest beat around also strong vocals sure
10. 00:41:364 (1,2,3,4) - hmm, mb https://puu.sh/vEutj.jpg did somerhing else
11. 00:45:018 (2) - why 2.8? beat is weak and tbh i have no idea why spacing is starting increase so fast... i can understand it on sliders 00:45:980 (4,5) - but 00:47:326 (6,1) - 00:45:018 (2,3) - is questionable jumps. I feel like 2.4 and 2.8 for them more tan enough... I don't really understand but I fixed the inconsistent jump at here
12. 00:44:441 (1,4) - stack is off
13. 00:46:749 (5,6) - ^ dunno what's wrong with stacks nowadays
14. 01:27:518 (1,2) - use same shape of slider for visual consistency? right
15. 01:31:364 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - http://puu.sh/vEw5a.jpg make drums clicable? Nope!, It'll contradicting with the cymbal plays at here
16. 01:45:018 (7,8) - crl-g each for circular flow? it is already pretty circular one
17. 01:45:788 (1,2) - stack as You did before for 1/2? naaah, don't really have to
18. 01:54:826 (8,1) - since there circular flow make sense to make more soft angle https://puu.sh/vEwq6.jpg right
19. 02:15:788 (4,5,6,7) - make one line сonsidering stack on 2 i don't really understand but yeah, I did some changes
20. 02:19:826 (1) - make jump? as it strongest beat around , make emphasis on it right
21. 02:16:749 (1,2,3,4) - Don't You want to make something more nicely for watching? like https://puu.sh/vEx6A.jpg sure
22. 02:56:653 (6,1) - nice, but it's inconsistently with map structure, so i suggest make usual stack pkhg's
23. 02:56:941 (2,1) - stack off , check 02:58:095 (1,3) - after as well fixed for pkhg
24. 02:57:518 (3,4,5,1) - this flow suggestion https://puu.sh/vExPk.jpg pkhg's
25. 03:04:249 (1,2,3) - Mb try smthing like https://puu.sh/vExWL.jpg 03:05:211 - because this beat really strong and 03:05:018 - kinda noticable pkhg's
26. 03:37:518 (2,1) - blanket Narcissu's
27. 03:43:672 (4,5,6) - sounds minimun equal to 03:42:134 (4,5,6) - mb even stronger , so spacing is kinda questionable Narcissu's
28. 03:45:980 - kiai ends???? yep, I only want the spray at here
29. 04:20:018 - okay.... it's really strong beat, wich should be clicable, especially because your pattern based on equal beats 04:20:595 (2,3,4) - Narcissu's
30. 04:38:288 (1,2) - https://puu.sh/vEyJt.jpg or https://puu.sh/vEyLW.jpg more correct for vocals imo pkhg's
31. 05:05:788 (1,2,3) - blanket off f
32. 05:38:480 (4) - 1.78 like you did beforeyeaah
33. 05:48:993 (2) - 05:49:313 - why did't end it here? it's fine i guess
    Some times i was feeling like spacing on map overall inconsistent , might be because mappers' style is pretty different... but generally it's fine, as i can say. That's pretty much the concept of the map, because the song is performed by numerous different artist means we want to give you numerous experiences!

That's it. Hope You'll find smthing usefull.
Goodluck~

Neoskylove wrote:

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00:04:441 (1,2) - How about blanket? nope, not planning to do so
00:12:903 (4,5,6) - I think you can emphaasize more. naah, it's already enough
00:18:480 - I think you should add a beat? this part has drum sound. I'm undermapped it , for now
00:22:903 - ^ oh, right, I missed it
01:14:441 (5,6) - I suggest you stack. 01:14:634 - has no sound agree
02:22:518 (8,1) - looks hard to read imo it's intentionally to be hard
02:45:211 (2,3,4) - weird flow right,
03:41:941 (2,3,4) - stack? Narcissu's
04:45:788 (1) - unnecessary NC yes

GL

Mir wrote:

[*] 03:05:403 (3) - This musical stress feels underemphasized imo, since the song has a slight pause between this note yet 03:04:249 (1,2) - which don't have this special paused were mapped the same way. …… collab so .. other people without anti jump
[*] 03:23:672 (4) - Missing clap. …… fix
[*] 03:33:288 (6,1) - I think the implied visual flow to the 1 is too direct, which can cause misreads. It flows too comfortably so the player might just hit 1 without looking, as opposed to 03:17:711 (6,7,1) - where the flow is more stressed. Maybe moving the 6 somewhere higher - maybe under the end of 03:31:941 (1) - would help? …… as above
[*] 04:29:057 (1,2,3) - Feels a bit cramped, move 3 a bit away and adjust 2 accordingly?……keyi

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6th wrote:

Hey Hi

00:22:134 (1,2) - You never followed violin before so no reason to do it here. Same applies for 02:25:211 (5,6) - I actually did follow the violins and also the violion's sounds at here is pretty song so..
00:25:980 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Rhythm here is questionable. The lack of slider here 00:27:326 (4) - clearly show that you want to follow instruments and not focus on vocals but you give priority to vocals at 00:28:095 (6,7,8) - . pkhg's
00:30:018 (2) - I really can't get why you do that but then you ignore 00:30:531 - just after. It feels like you're trying to follow both vocals and instruments in a way that doesn't work at all ): pkhg's
00:44:441 (1,2,3) - You should make spacing between (2) and (3) a bit lower just to make sure that people won't click on blue tick instead of white one to follow vocals. I don't really understand but uuhh did some adjustmens , I guess
01:05:211 (5,6) - Having low spacing here really ruins the momentum that (4) brings and feels really weird because speed is increasing again right after. Narcissu's
01:06:557 (2,3) - Increase spacing a bit between them ? Current spacing doesn't represent vocals, and increasing it would also make this 01:06:941 (3,4) - a bit less brutal. Narcissu's
01:13:672 (3,4) - Vocals are stopping here so you may want to decrease spacing instead of increasing it. hmmm, don't think this is necessary
01:14:057 (4,5,6,7) - Hmm I do think that you should use consistent spacing. Stacking 5/6 AND increasing spacing between 6 and 7 feels a bit too much. but it plays pretty well so gonna keep this
01:45:018 (7,8) - The song doesn't support such spacing increase. the strings
01:47:326 (5,6,7) - Could look better if they were visually equally spaced since they are straight. did something
02:17:903 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Confusing. This 02:18:480 (4,5) - looks like an 1/2 stack because the spacing between 02:18:864 (5,6) - is large. right
02:21:557 - Unconsistency, it should be clickable like 02:18:864 (5) -
By the way, why does 02:21:749 (4,5,6,7,8) - really sound off to me ?
02:36:749 (3) - This kinda lacks of emphasis Garden's
02:38:864 (2,3) - CTRL+G rhythm ? Fits better with vocals, also it would be more coherent with 02:36:364 (2,3,4) - Garden's
02:56:364 (5,6,1) - This is really surprising for players since it's the first time that kind of thing appears in your map. I really recommand using consistent spacing. pkhg;s
03:05:980 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Global spacing is high in this combo so I recommand increasing it a bit between 03:08:288 (6,7) - Garden's
03:23:288 (2,3) - Lower spacing to describe the song better ? Narcissu's
03:33:095 (5,6) - Spacing really needs to be increased here, to contrast with the gap between 03:33:288 (6,1) - . Narcissu's
03:37:518 (2,1) - Blanket ? Narcissu's
04:34:057 (1,2) - Just a suggestion, remove them ? It works better with the spinner. pkhg's
05:16:557 (6,7) - Spacing is too high, sliderbreaking (6) is really easy. nerfed a bit
05:18:288 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - Rhythm is really monotonous here and doesn't bring enough content. I'm giving them some rest / cooldown at here
05:24:057 (1) - Is a circle really needed ? Imo you could have just started the spinner here since there's no real sound to map. yes, it is needed there's a pretty clickable voice at there

Good luck.

6th wrote:

01:05:211 (5,6) - Having low spacing here really ruins the momentum that (4) brings and feels really weird because speed is increasing again right after. …… i want to map simpler here
01:06:557 (2,3) - Increase spacing a bit between them ? Current spacing doesn't represent vocals, and increasing it would also make this 01:06:941 (3,4) - a bit less brutal.
03:23:288 (2,3) - Lower spacing to describe the song better ? …… fix
03:33:095 (5,6) - Spacing really needs to be increased here, to contrast with the gap between 03:33:288 (6,1) - . …… antijump is my wish
03:37:518 (2,1) - Blanket ?

Astarte wrote:

1. 00:11:941 (1) - ik its stacked but somehow still kinda hard to read for me. a triple would be better imo, since that triplet is quite strong
2. 00:45:018 (2) - 00:47:326 (6) - wonder why these 2 are the only ones being so close to the sliderends in the whole map?
3. 01:03:288 - is the map mostly vocal oriented? if so then y skipped this? i believe you didn't skipped any vocal notes before and it feels awkward. same with 03:36:749 (1) - ... …… ye i follow voice, i use slider here like …… fade in ?
4. 02:46:364 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - not sure what these are trying to do? its a very calm part and doesn't support an increase in density
5. 02:47:326 - but then u missed a triplet here i think
6. 03:18:288 (1) - this has the same distance as previous notes but not the same gap. don't think it'd be easy to read. imo stack it under the prev note or at least semistack. same with 03:33:672 (1) - ... antijump is my wish, I don't think it's easy, i want to map hard here.. hard to read is hard and if player listen to the music carefully, they can FC it relaxed
7. 03:50:018 - think this violin note is something to not miss out since you are following strings here
8. 03:54:634 (1) - why is this suddenly way too slow? i mean although i don't really understand slowing it down for the part, its fine but halved is way too much. it's the opposite when u play the violin btw
9. 04:35:018 - there's still a sound here and leaving it blank makes the player press the next note early imo. add a circle like what u did here 04:41:172 (3) -
10. 04:39:826 - again skipping a rather important vocal note. can we have a slider here or something
11. 05:02:326 (9) - dont see why a full antiflow captures this part well. imo ctrl h this
12. 05:04:826 (7) - given low ar stacking a circle behind a sliderend is kinda hard to read. y not do semistacks like u did everywhere else?

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TheKingHenry wrote:

Hello M4M from my queue to yours again Hi again
Tfw there are more artists in this song than there are characters in your avegare VN lul lul

Pashunagar

1. From AiMod: 2 timing points exists at the same stamp at 03:54:634 - f
2. 00:05:595 (3) - wouldn't just a circle fit this sound better? It's not prolonged or held in anyway naah, slider fits better for a kinda long piano's sound
3. 00:44:441 (1,2,3) - why not go with the same type of patterning as earlier with these? Like 00:26:749 (3,4,5) - having the space that way in-between of them works a lot better than having the larger spacing from the circle. Same at 00:46:749 (5,6,1) - and maybe at more places too, won't mention 'em here yeah, right, i agree
4. 01:15:211 (1,2) - kinda nazi but it bother me here since it's clearly supposed to be a clean blanket. So yeah, sliderbody too straight for blanket, doesn't look good (the visual distance from the circle to the sliderbody doesn't stay constant for the blanketing area). There are probably a lot more blankets off here and there, I won't go nitpicking on them except if something really catches my eye. Just fix them as you find them alright alright, blanketed
5. 01:46:364 - there are lot of short breaks like these in this map, sometimes it works, sometimes it's unnecessary and feels unnatural. Here, for example, you should definitely map smth for the break too, there's pretty distinct sound there, which is actually stronger than the following (mapped) sound at 01:46:557 (2) - so yeah you should go through these as well and see if they work or not. I'll probably mention some others if they bother me, but not all added a circle then
6. 01:49:826 (4,5) - another pretty clear fixable blanket done
7. 01:54:441 (8,9,1) - while the stacking looks clean here, I think these could use more spacing for the emphasis. More like, especially 01:54:826 (9) - did some reworks around hre
8. 02:19:633 (9,1) - kinda huge spacing considering all the low spaced circles before have the same distance rhythm-wise. All problems reading it aside (there will be those as well likely), it's also not really logical on how it expresses the music when the last one has like 4 times the spacing of all the sounds before. The sound at 02:19:826 (1) - isn't really that massively huge lol. Like, compare the place and it's patterning to 02:22:518 (8,1) - and you see how things are going to get fucked up aight, nerfed
9. 02:25:980 (1) - Needs circle here (similarly to how 00:22:903 (3,1) - was done. Keep it consistent) done
10. 03:33:288 (6,1) - close these in to create anti-jump? Currently the spacing is very similar to the jumps before and will be confused with them Narcissu's
11. 04:07:711 (2,3) - pretty distinct triple here, would just map it reworked
12. 05:04:249 (6,7) - no reason to suddenly do this kind of thing when there's like zero of them before yes

Good luck!

Astarte wrote:

Hey "first" victim customer Hello there
Might want to check aimod fixed stuffs

1. 00:11:941 (1) - ik its stacked but somehow still kinda hard to read for me. a triple would be better imo, since that triplet is quite strong let's give it a try then
2. 00:45:018 (2) - 00:47:326 (6) - wonder why these 2 are the only ones being so close to the sliderends in the whole map? fixed, my bad
3. 01:03:288 - is the map mostly vocal oriented? if so then y skipped this? i believe you didn't skipped any vocal notes before and it feels awkward. same with 03:36:749 (1) - ...
4. 02:46:364 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - not sure what these are trying to do? its a very calm part and doesn't support an increase in density yeah,
   right. did something pretty major
5. 02:47:326 - but then u missed a triplet here i think yeah, right
6. 03:18:288 (1) - this has the same distance as previous notes but not the same gap. don't think it'd be easy to read. imo stack it under the prev note or at least semistack. same with 03:33:672 (1) - ...
7. 03:50:018 - think this violin note is something to not miss out since you are following strings here right
8. 03:54:634 (1) - why is this suddenly way too slow? i mean although i don't really understand slowing it down for the part, its fine but halved is way too much. it's the opposite when u play the violin btw speeded up a bit
9. 04:35:018 - there's still a sound here and leaving it blank makes the player press the next note early imo. add a circle like what u did here 04:41:172 (3) - pkhg's
10. 04:39:826 - again skipping a rather important vocal note. can we have a slider here or something pkhg's
11. 05:02:326 (9) - dont see why a full antiflow captures this part well. imo ctrl h this
12. 05:04:826 (7) - given low ar stacking a circle behind a sliderend is kinda hard to read. y not do semistacks like u did everywhere else? did something else

thats all but it seems to me that u dont pay much attention to aesthetics. throughout the map there are places that could have/improve blankets like 00:39:634 (4,5) - 01:49:826 (4,5) - 01:55:018 (1,2,3) - 02:22:518 (8,1) - ... i can't blanket properly aa
dont know if you intend to blanket those or not, but they give an impression that the map isnt very polished and objects are rather... sloppily placed i'd say.
well not like its a big problem anyway

Well thats all i have. GL
btw i'm quite curious about metadata, and also the diff name too lol

Uta wrote:

Mods~~~~

- 00:02:518 (5,6) Stack Sengaja ini
- 00:30:018 (2) - Slider tail should be here 00:30:307 - and add more distance to this slider 00:30:595 (3) - (that part of the song sounded weird tbh) This is pkhg's but probably I can speak up for him. If you tried to listen this using 25% speed you'd probably notice that the vocal on 00:30:018 - actually ends on 00:30:275 - which is actually already the correct one. And for 00:30:595 (3) - since the piano's end is much more clear so he decided to end the slider on 00:31:364 - instead 00:31:749 -
- Well 01:41:364 (6,7) - this doesn't good (in my opinion) Nope , the song did support well for this kind of jump. If that's the thing that you are talking about tho/
- 01:44:441 (6,7,8,1) - Fix the angle boi probably like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8357951 nope, it'll break the structure pretty badly
- ^ 02:24:057 (3,4,5) - well the angle can look more pretty if you fix it don't really understand what do you mean by this but i did something around here
- 04:58:288 (1,2) - Spacing ini bahkan lebih jauh daripada yg tadi~~ (I can't say this in English) ada supportnya kok, jadi cocok2 aja
- Kenapa saya tidak complain yang ini? 05:22:711 (6,7) - karena di chorus? (I can't say this in English)


05:48:993 (2) - XD wut? can you explain wut is this? sorry, I'm not judging your mapping style The acoustic guitar

demn diz sung is herd to mep boii. good luck >w<

1. the artists should have spaces in between them, per your metadata link in the previous posts. however, I suggest using just "Multiple Artists" instead and adding them all to the tags. as it is now, this map is impossible to download on Windows if the new osu! installation is used and the user account name is over 5 characters long, because "C:/Users/<username>/AppData/local/osu!/Songs/580478 LiaTada AoiKawada MamiShimamiya EikoKOTOKOUtatsuki KaoriCh/LiaTada AoiKawada MamiShimamiya EikoKOTOKOUtatsuki KaoriChataRitaLiSA - Orpheus ~Kimi to Kanaderu Ashita e no Uta~ (Shurelia) [Hymn to The World].osu" exceeds 255 characters. the Windows API can't handle filenames with lengths greater than 255, and by some process in osu!, the map just gets deleted every time it attempts to import it. this problem won't exist in lazer due to maps being stored differently, but it seems that you're going for rank before its projected release. note that you only need to change the romanised artist, not the actual one

1. consider making "The" lowercase, or "to" uppercase, for consistency. lol nazi mod
2. make 00:03:672 (7) a little more shallow of a curve, to fit aesthetically with rest of the map
3. the jump to 01:07:326 (4) is a little big for this part of the map (especially at this strange angle)
4. 01:19:634 - this rhythm better covers all of the sounds here
   
5. likewise consider adding a circle to 01:24:057
6. the jump to 01:41:557 (7) should be a little smaller I think. it's an important sound, but compared to everything else around it (even the kiai!) it's a big difficulty spike
7. 02:05:980 (5) - NC
8. maybe have 02:07:134 (6,1) be near the circle before it? the music stops so I think it'd play better if there were little/no movement
9. 02:14:826 (3,4) - imo 4 should be where 5 is, and 5 where 6, etc.
10. 02:18:480 (4,5) - note that these are potentially under players' HP bars
11. the spacing before 03:33:672 (1) makes the rhythm a little hard to read (it feels like this would be a 1/4 jump, but it's really 1/2). maybe it's better to overlap this with the note before, since there's a stop in music?
12. 04:39:441 (2) should go until the 1/8 after it
13. 04:58:288 (1,2) - same thing as last kiai, this is a little big
14. I think 05:49:249 (1) would be better to end at 05:53:288 (the last piano sound) because it has a little more impact. then the rest of the orchestra fading out serves as an outro before the score screen. the piano sound actually comes a tiny bit before the time I listed so add another timing point slightly before it if you do this

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zelda102 wrote:

#modreqs ooh, nice. Finally another good stuffs came from that

general

1. the artists should have spaces in between them, per your metadata link in the previous posts. however, I suggest using just "Multiple Artists" instead and adding them all to the tags. as it is now, this map is impossible to download on Windows if the new osu! installation is used and the user account name is over 5 characters long, because "C:/Users/<username>/AppData/local/osu!/Songs/580478 LiaTada AoiKawada MamiShimamiya EikoKOTOKOUtatsuki KaoriCh/LiaTada AoiKawada MamiShimamiya EikoKOTOKOUtatsuki KaoriChataRitaLiSA - Orpheus ~Kimi to Kanaderu Ashita e no Uta~ (Shurelia) [Hymn to The World].osu" exceeds 255 characters. the Windows API can't handle filenames with lengths greater than 255, and by some process in osu!, the map just gets deleted every time it attempts to import it. this problem won't exist in lazer due to maps being stored differently, but it seems that you're going for rank before its projected release. note that you only need to change the romanised artist, not the actual one

Holy, now that you're mentioned it. But eeeee I still want to use the closest artist title to the actual metadata. I'm gonna take this discussion to the QATS.

Hymn to The World

1. consider making "The" lowercase, or "to" uppercase, for consistency. lol nazi mod Ooh, hey I'm actually looking for someone who'd check the diff's name whether I'm doing it right or naah.
2. make 00:03:672 (7) a little more shallow of a curve, to fit aesthetically with rest of the map aiight.
3. the jump to 01:07:326 (4) is a little big for this part of the map (especially at this strange angle) Narcissu's , Thought imo it's fine as it is cause it's actually does fit with the song
4. 01:19:634 - this rhythm better covers all of the sounds here yeah, i can agree with this
   
5. likewise consider adding a circle to 01:24:057 did something else instead based on this
6. the jump to 01:41:557 (7) should be a little smaller I think. it's an important sound, but compared to everything else around it (even the kiai!) it's a big difficulty spike aight, nerfed it a bit
7. 02:05:980 (5) - NC yes
8. maybe have 02:07:134 (6,1) be near the circle before it? the music stops so I think it'd play better if there were little/no movement agree
9. 02:14:826 (3,4) - imo 4 should be where 5 is, and 5 where 6, etc. naah, I want to click the piano's sound that appear on the current 4's place and also the drums that appears after that
10. 02:18:480 (4,5) - note that these are potentially under players' HP bars adjusted
11. the spacing before 03:33:672 (1) makes the rhythm a little hard to read (it feels like this would be a 1/4 jump, but it's really 1/2). maybe it's better to overlap this with the note before, since there's a stop in music? Narcissu's
12. 04:39:441 (2) should go until the 1/8 after it yaaap, fixed this for pkhg
13. 04:58:288 (1,2) - same thing as last kiai, this is a little big naah, this is different from the previous jump. It's much much stronger than before so this jump would serves right
14. I think 05:49:249 (1) would be better to end at 05:53:288 (the last piano sound) because it has a little more impact. then the rest of the orchestra fading out serves as an outro before the score screen. the piano sound actually comes a tiny bit before the time I listed so add another timing point slightly before it if you do this hmmmmmmmmm, I still prefer the current spinner tbh but let's just see about how other players think

I really like this map, good luck! so cute

edit: confirmed mapping during the 1970 epoch Time Traveler !? :eyes:

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zelda102 wrote:

a possible solution may be for an admin to change the download for this map only, so that the mapset folder doesn't contain all of the artists (the .osu file would, though). they've done some wacky things in the past like multiple creators, so I'm sure you could get this sorted out if you contact a community manager

this would have to be done as the last update before qualification, though

smallboat wrote:

Hello Shurelia, receieved your PM, look for a while seems no big problem there, let me say some small thing :3 didn't thought that it worked lol, great to know

[Hymn to the World] (Seems missed some finish hitsound in importrant part) i suk on HS

01:42:711 (1) - Finish? (The first kiai time head need to express a heavy drum music here imo) woops
01:58:672 (2) - Move up bit make blanket make the pattern look good? it'll damage the structure quite a lot. I'll pass
02:04:441 (1) - Missed a finish? (Just like 05:21:365 (1) - here) yes, added
04:05:980 (4) - Missed a finish in slider head because have a bit finish ht there imo Drum's Finish, what do you think?
04:10:595 (1) - This single NC combo unnecessary because it is not special heavy drum imo yeah
04:15:018 (1) - The slider a heavy drum why not add finish ? sure
04:22:903 (1) - Finish? yes
05:24:057 (1) - Missed whistle? (Just like this the same part : 02:07:326 (3) -) nope as you can hear it's actually a different sound from each other.
05:45:980 (1) - Maybe can add whistle in sliderend to follow the bg music. sure

Btw, is metadata title correct? based on : http://key.soundslabel.com/discography. ... 80/ksl0080 . It's actually lacking of spaces but since osu!
can't handle more characters than the current one so I removed the spaces (I already got QAT's permission to do so tho)

Doyak wrote:

I told you, you'd better not call me xD ehehehe, but it's fine. As long you're actually giving me good feedbacks

* 00:04:441 (1,2,3) - Patterns like this are still very unstructured. By unstructured, I mean there are no logical common characteristics that integrate all notes into a pattern. In this example, (2) is on very vague position relative to (1), and the position of (3) is pretty close to (1) while (2) is just standing alone, thus there also lacks spacing consistency. This can be minor itself indeed, but I find that most of your parts are like this and needs to be improved a lot. This is just one example. aah, you're right, I missed the nice structure at here. Fixed
* 00:08:672 (3,4) - Like, for example, what if the way of stack was directly heading to 00:08:288 (2) - ? Not like you have to do it, it's just a thing you could consider. hmm, yeah Let's just stack it then
* 00:10:595 (1,2,3,4) - Even this triangle is not perfect. Moreover, it feels strange to have 00:11:364 (3,4) - same spacing as 00:10:980 (2,3) - , because while the sound on 00:10:595 (1,2,3) - were getting more intense, 00:11:749 (4) - actually loses all the intensity. It doesn't feel any same as 00:11:364 (3) - . eeeh, it's kinda hard see but you're actually right, also did some adjustments based on your guide. Right
* 00:16:749 (1,2,3) - You've never introduced spaced 1/4s until here, and doesn't show this again until next part. Just compare this to 00:17:903 (4,5) - . Actually, the sound of 00:17:326 (2) - is just same as 00:14:249 - , so they should be evenly represented. aah right, yeah, I added things that should be represented
* 00:21:172 - Not sure if you really want to skip this beat. changed 3 into a 1/4 slider
* 00:39:057 (3,4) - 00:42:134 (2,3) - They're in the same part, and there's not much intensity change. Still you changed the spacing of 1/4s a lot. Think how 00:41:364 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - suddenly increased the whole intensity. This continues to 00:44:441 (1,2) - 00:46:749 (5,6) - 00:48:288 (2,3) - as well, but you reverted it back on 00:50:595 (1,2) - when the song actually got more intense. did some intensity nerfs but the reason about why i mapped these blue ticks are to also following the mappablle vocal that appears around these section
* 00:51:557 - It's very strange that you ignored a large instrument sound here to follow the vocals, but you did the very opposite on 00:52:326 - to ignore a strong vocal. pkhg's
* 01:02:903 (1) - I don't get why 01:03:288 - is ignored, while you very closely follow the vocals for the entire part. This is even the very first vocal, isn't this important? Narcissu's
* 01:14:441 (5,6) - You can move these further from (4), it looks very sticky. agree
* 01:15:788 (2,3) - Please, come up with some patterns that are not ambiguous like this. yes
* 01:16:557 (4,5,6,7) - 01:24:441 (1,2,3,4) - Sometimes you randomly used these vertical/horizontal patterns. They may be good by themselves, but the problem here is that they just appear randomly, without considering how it works with the rest of the map. Your general mapping style is very soft and round. If there's nothing special in the music to be represented differently, your mapping should also remain the same. A map is an organism. As a collab, you should at least keep your parts as a part of the organism. yeah
* 01:19:634 - Can't really get why this is ignored. there's actually an object at here, also I did map 01:19:826 -
as a slider instead since there's also quite a big instrument sounds at here
* 01:19:057 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - This pattern is unbalanced, like, so much. And there's another problem. This pattern feels like I'm suddenly playing a different map, because the spacing between notes is significantly different from the previous and the next notes. Look how close the notes between 01:15:211 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - and 01:21:364 (1,2,3,4) - are. I'm not saying you should always fix the DS. I just made a simple example here, hope you get the idea. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8565690 did something
* 01:24:057 (5) - This drum is strong, sure. But you're focusing on the vocals in general, and that one note just got out of the track alone, running away from the consistent DS. If you do something like https://doyak.s-ul.eu/DBVgNkbV , then you can make some emphasis on the drum while still keeping (5) under your control.right
* 01:30:595 - This part needs more emphasis, definitely. 01:30:018 (7) - chande into 1/4 slider since there's quite a sound on 01:30:211 -
* 01:33:672 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This just flows, really. But they don't create any meaningful patterns. i don't really understand about this and it's actually play and looks fine for me
* 01:36:749 (1,2) - 01:38:095 (4,5) - 01:39:057 (6,7,8) - Things like these make the map structure unstable. There is no base distance at all. An important thing here is that you want to emphasis 01:38:288 (5) - , but what you can see is that 01:38:095 (4,5) - are being together, just with a little higher DS than others. If you want to emphasis a certain sound, you need to differentiate it from unrelated notes. If you make a smooth flow between them, it makes them look like a single pattern. it's different cause the sound that created from the musics are also different therefore i did something pretty different despite it's still in one section. Well, i did something tho
* 01:42:711 (1,4,6) - One important thing that makes a map structured is integrated curves. This is yet another thing you can consider to fill your map with logic. In your map, every sliders except few copy&pasted ones have different curvature. The curved sliders are part of the map, so they all need to be organized. They can't just be exclusive to each other and just be what each of them want to be. Compare these to 01:45:788 (1) - 01:51:941 (1,3) - aight, less curved
* 01:45:788 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - And compare the spacing between these and 01:47:326 (6,7,8,9,10) - . woops
* 01:53:479 (5,6,7) - And again, it's not like the tension went down or anything even. yes
* 01:58:095 (1,2) - You only considered the DS value, and not how the spacing actually looks like. fixed
* 02:12:903 (6,7,8) - 02:15:788 (4,5,6,7) - Compare these two. You used same concept twice, but are they really just that same? They have significant difference from each other, thus needs to be represented differently, with different scale. right, buffed the 2nd
* 02:17:903 (4,5) - Even on things like this, it's better to make the spacing same as 02:18:864 (6,7) - to make it more structured. yes
* 02:20:403 - This is same as 02:17:326 (2) - , why do you ignore this fix
* 02:19:633 (10,1) - And look at this spacing, why is this even smaller than 02:17:903 (4,5) - and 02:18:864 (6,7) - ? fix
* 02:22:518 (8,1) - This is even an 1/2, with a cymbal sound. But this is similar to 02:16:749 (1,2) - ? naah, let's just say it's cooling down.
* 02:25:211 (5,6,1) - If you look back, there was 00:22:134 (1,2,3) - that had much smaller spacing. yes
* 02:48:864 (3,4) - This rhythm seems much better for me. https://doyak.s-ul.eu/HFN1FocD agreeed
* 02:52:518 (5) - Also I'd use a 1/4 slider there to not ignore 02:52:711 - right
* 03:18:288 (1) - It's very good to finish the rectangle, but I don't think the spacing here works at all. It needs more emphasis than 03:17:518 (5,6,7) - , but what you did here is to slow down the flow suddenly, thus make it very underemphasized. I'd rather try https://doyak.s-ul.eu/ZMTQwNZd (8 under 7), or something else. Narcissu's
* 03:33:672 - Again this needs to be emphasized but the flow is slowed down by the 1/1. Better to fill out 03:33:480 - somehow or just put it far away. Narcissu's
* 03:45:788 (1,3,4) - 03:49:826 (2,3,4,5) - Won't say much thing, same as the previous parts of yours. right
* 03:50:980 - Quite important to be ignored imo barely noticeable for me
* 03:52:134 (1,2,3) - 03:53:480 (4,5,6,7) - yse
* 03:58:288 (1,2,3,4,5) - This rhythm is better https://doyak.s-ul.eu/rOOb2QwF and if I were you, I'd divide most of the sliders into 1/4s because there are audible sounds and this part is quite intense. aight
* 04:01:364 (1,2,3) - Why do they only have wide spacing, and then 04:02:326 (4,5,6) - are not? Especially 4 and 6 are really strong. based on the violins , it's not but did something with the second tho
* 04:03:672 (8) - Both the head and tail sound are very important, better to divide into 2 circles. right
* 05:02:326 (9,1) - At least blanket please
* 05:04:249 (6,7,8,9) - 05:06:749 (4,5,6,7) - uhh... won't repeat ahah
* And so on...

@Shurelia: To be honest, you really need to practice to organize your map. Make strong relations between notes within a pattern by applying same concepts such as spacing, curvature, and slider angles, etc. Make similar things similar, and differentiate different things. Each pattern of a map works as an organism, and each patterns needs to create a bigger organism. It's not okay to make an exclusive pattern every time that does not consider the structure. The other collab mappers here are good at it. I know it's hard, but you need more practice.

I don't consider this map to be suitable in ranked section until I see significant improvement on Shurelia's parts.

Doyak wrote:

* 03:18:288 (1) - It's very good to finish the rectangle, but I don't think the spacing here works at all. It needs more emphasis than 03:17:518 (5,6,7) - , but what you did here is to slow down the flow suddenly, thus make it very underemphasized. I'd rather try https://doyak.s-ul.eu/ZMTQwNZd (8 under 7), or something else.……your are right but i can‘t change 03:17:518 - , it's not my part


* 03:33:672 - Again this needs to be emphasized but the flow is slowed down by the 1/1. Better to fill out 03:33:480 - somehow or just put it far away. …… fix

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Title:Orpheus ~Kimi to Kanaderu Ashita e no Uta~
TitleUnicode:Orpheus　～君と奏でる明日へのうた～
Artist:Lia/Tada Aoi/Kawada Mami/Shimamiya Eiko/KOTOKO/Utatsuki Kaori/Chata/Rita/LiSA
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Creator:Shurelia
Version:Narcissu
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Tags:Visual Art's 20th Anniversary theme song Shinji Orito 折戸 伸治 KEY KSLA-0080 Group vocals narcissu pkhg garden
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1. 00:27:711 - i think you should follow vocal here.
   how about circle+1/1slider pattern instead 1/1 slider+circle https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10408742
   
2. 00:30:595 (3) - this slider should be placed accurately imo.
   https://puu.sh/zBDU4/b532f6e175.png
   how's it? using 1/12 tick and set volume to 5% at 00:31:172 - . i thought this (3) to be just a one slide to 00:31:364 - , but weird slider tick rings also we can't mute this (cuz of RC lol)
   
3. 00:45:403 (3,4) - fix blancket or somthing like this https://puu.sh/zBE0A/cedeef5513.png
   i think we should clarify whether they wanna be blanket or not.
   
4. 00:46:749 (5,6) - in this section, you're following both piano and vocal. considering the concept, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10408764 <- would work.
   
5. from 01:02:903 (1) - for piano and vocal, this pattern is the most suitable i think but what do you think?
   https://puu.sh/zBE82/e1d338e446.png
   
6. 01:41:364 (6,7) - you should emphasize more and more i feel!
   it means, just add nc on 01:41:364 (6) - . also plz check mod at "hitsound" below.
   
7. 03:36:172 (3) - can you take more distance from 03:35:980 (2) - ? like this https://puu.sh/zBEKL/72ca63216f.png
   
8. 03:44:826 (3) - add nc to emphasize 03:44:441 (1,2) - . also check "hitsound".
   
9. 03:52:903 (3) - wanna follow strings on 03:53:095 - . how's this? https://puu.sh/zBEQP/d25a9b321f.png
   
10. 03:57:326 (6) - stack
    
11. 04:03:864 (8,1) - stack
    
12. 04:07:518 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - too intense for this map tbh, i can understand you can emphasize string sounds tho. changing 04:07:518 (1,2) - to 1/2 slider and it'd be better imo, also it'll become drum sound emphasis too.
    
13. 04:09:057 (9) - add nc to avoid long combos imo
    
14. 04:35:211 (1) - should be started from 04:35:018 - considering mainly piano. also vocal doesn't start from 04:35:211 - exactly.
    
15. 04:53:672 (1,2) - how about using same slider shape? looks more consistent i feel
    https://puu.sh/zBFj6/def01f2273.png
    
16. 04:58:864 (3) - add nc to emphasize 04:58:288 (1,2) - . also check "hitsound"
    
17. 05:24:057 (1) - i prefer removing this. why do you need to follow only this vocal? atmosphere which is cool-downed is more important imo.

1. from 01:15:211 - to 01:27:518 - . i feel weird to some drum-finish usage. you can use more and more drum-finish sound. also it's a bit surprising to ring that at 01:24:057 - at first.
   try to put drum-finish on these and you'd feel better i believe.
   01:17:903 - 01:18:288 - 01:20:211 - 01:20:788 - 01:24:441 -
   
2. 01:35:788 - remove drum-finish. not following the song therefore i felt something strange.
   
3. 04:15:018 - this drum-finish also feels weird for me. such a low-sound makes "beat", like human's heart. it means low-sound is mainly put on downbeat.
   in this reason, just a little thing tho, i recommend deleting finish here and putting drum-finish on 04:15:211 - instead.
   
4. 01:41:364 - 03:44:441 - 04:58:288 - these jump should have consistent hitsounding, also they should be strong emphasis. i suggest a way for example.
   
   1. sampleset:normal, additions:drum-finish at (1)
   2. sampleset:normal, additions:soft-clap at (2)

thzz wrote:

hi! as requested irc~

placement

1. 00:27:711 - i think you should follow vocal here. pkhg's
   how about circle+1/1slider pattern instead 1/1 slider+circle https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10408742
   
2. 00:30:595 (3) - this slider should be placed accurately imo. pkhg's
   https://puu.sh/zBDU4/b532f6e175.png
   how's it? using 1/12 tick and set volume to 5% at 00:31:172 - . i thought this (3) to be just a one slide to 00:31:364 - , but weird slider tick rings also we can't mute this (cuz of RC lol)
   
3. 00:45:403 (3,4) - fix blancket or somthing like this https://puu.sh/zBE0A/cedeef5513.png yeah, gonna follow your example then
   i think we should clarify whether they wanna be blanket or not.
   
4. 00:46:749 (5,6) - in this section, you're following both piano and vocal. considering the concept, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10408764 <- would work. agreed
   
5. from 01:02:903 (1) - for piano and vocal, this pattern is the most suitable i think but what do you think? already been suggested amd Narcissu denied it because of following the fade in thingy
   https://puu.sh/zBE82/e1d338e446.png
   
6. 01:41:364 (6,7) - you should emphasize more and more i feel! yes, and added more DS
   it means, just add nc on 01:41:364 (6) - . also plz check mod at "hitsound" below.
   
7. 03:36:172 (3) - can you take more distance from 03:35:980 (2) - ? like this https://puu.sh/zBEKL/72ca63216f.png done this for narcissu since it does make sense
   
8. 03:44:826 (3) - add nc to emphasize 03:44:441 (1,2) - . also check "hitsound". NCd
   
9. 03:52:903 (3) - wanna follow strings on 03:53:095 - . how's this? https://puu.sh/zBEQP/d25a9b321f.png agreed
   
10. 03:57:326 (6) - stack ok
    
11. 04:03:864 (8,1) - stack nice catch
    
12. 04:07:518 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - too intense for this map tbh, i can understand you can emphasize string sounds tho. changing 04:07:518 (1,2) - to 1/2 slider and it'd be better imo, also it'll become drum sound emphasis too. nerfed
    
13. 04:09:057 (9) - add nc to avoid long combos imo right
    
14. 04:35:211 (1) - should be started from 04:35:018 - considering mainly piano. also vocal doesn't start from 04:35:211 - exactly. pkhg's
    
15. 04:53:672 (1,2) - how about using same slider shape? looks more consistent i feel pkhg's but it is really minor so i fixed it for him
    https://puu.sh/zBFj6/def01f2273.png
    
16. 04:58:864 (3) - add nc to emphasize 04:58:288 (1,2) - . also check "hitsound"
    
17. 05:24:057 (1) - i prefer removing this. why do you need to follow only this vocal? atmosphere which is cool-downed is more important imo. alright

hitsound

1. from 01:15:211 - to 01:27:518 - . i feel weird to some drum-finish usage. you can use more and more drum-finish sound. also it's a bit surprising to ring that at 01:24:057 - at first.
   try to put drum-finish on these and you'd feel better i believe.
   01:17:903 - 01:18:288 - 01:20:211 - 01:20:788 - 01:24:441 - yeah. agreed and also did some tweak from my side too
   
2. 01:35:788 - remove drum-finish. not following the song therefore i felt something strange. ok
   
3. 04:15:018 - this drum-finish also feels weird for me. such a low-sound makes "beat", like human's heart. it means low-sound is mainly put on downbeat.
   in this reason, just a little thing tho, i recommend deleting finish here and putting drum-finish on 04:15:211 - instead.
   
4. 01:41:364 - 03:44:441 - 04:58:288 - these jump should have consistent hitsounding, also they should be strong emphasis. i suggest a way for example.
   
   1. sampleset:normal, additions:drum-finish at (1)
   2. sampleset:normal, additions:soft-clap at (2)
   aaand applied too

that's all! good luck o/~~

Gust wrote:

Mod request from pm
I love this song!
[Hymn To The World]
00:35:788 (2,3) - I think here is different to 00:33:095 (2,3) - , so change to 2 slider to follow the vocal maybe better. like this

1

00:44:441 (1) - move to x:81 y:203 looks better p e r f e c t i o n
01:08:864 (5) - If you want to follow the vocal, maybe it can be move to a little earlier. how about 01:08:800 (5) - naah, seems it is already fine as it is
01:48:288 (9,10) - change 9 like this maybe better for play would make things awkward tbh. so i prefer the current one.

2

01:50:595 (5,7) - stack? woops
01:53:479 (5,6,7,8) - why not make these to a square xd it is already a square tho, just a bit tilted
02:52:518 (5,9,10,1) - stack? stacj
nothing to say in other parts

Hailie wrote:

Hello!

• 
  Hymn of the World

1. 00:22:134 (1) - okay I been careful with this - even with slow down or just turning off the hitsounds and bringing the volume up - I feel this note its off - the note I think you following lands on a blue tick (not talking about the drum btw) while the other lands of the yellow - it be more accurate to show represent that by changing the slider into a 1/4 slider and having a note on 00:22:422 - instead
   likewise with this 1 05:45:211 (6) -
   - Now this slider is fine 00:22:518 (2) - and all the rest of the repeats is fine it is true that it's actually off but however, after i checked it throughly, your suggestion is actually pretty off too. The actual correct one is making 00:22:134 (1) - into an 1/4 and then moving 00:22:518 (2) - onto 00:22:454 - with these, it follow the weird violin more accurately, same thing are applied on the later part.
2. 01:19:634 (3,4) - seems strange to put more priority towards the drum here when for the most part you been following the vocals and ignore the drum namely at places such as 01:16:557 (4) - 01:23:480 (5) - 01:25:788 (3) - ,etc - it just seems inconsistent and it would be best to change the order where the slider is on the blue tick instead agreed
   ^ 01:28:864 (3,4) - kind of the same thing
3. 01:41:749 - for a map that following the vocals - wouldn't it be a nice touch to map the start of the vocals here?
   04:58:672 - same for this ^ yes
4. 01:52:710 (2,3) - can't tell if this is intentional (doubt it tho) or not but the stack is slightly off woops
5. 01:55:595 (2) - forgot a whistle here? yes aa
6. 01:56:556 (4,5) - this is the only time where ya have the circle stack on top of the slider end in this chorus (I check the 2nd chorus to make sure if it was done the same way) and there isn't exactly nothing really special than any other part similar so it feel kind of inconsistent - basically suggestion changing this to something else [/color]
7. 05:06:364 (2) - missing whistle

okay think that is about it - call me back for a recheck (either in-game or forums will do) after this mod has been address and you have the metadata be confirm correct