wip irc log from #modhelp
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18:09 *Nao Tomori is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1225440 niki feat Reol - Logic Agent]
18:09 Doormat: Lost Memory?
18:09 Nao Tomori: ya
18:10 Doormat: 00:11:928 (1,2,1) - i'd argue that 2->1 should have more spacing, or that this should at the very least be equal spacing
18:10 Doormat: actually, just stick to equal spacing so it's consistent with 00:13:192 (1,2,1) -
18:11 Nao Tomori: mhm
18:11 Doormat: 00:14:455 (1,2,1) - same here
18:11 Nao Tomori: yea i made all of them equali
18:11 Doormat: i'd also argue that the music starts to quiet down at 00:15:718 (1,2,1) - so using the large spacing like you currently have isn't the best idea
18:11 Nao Tomori: hm
18:11 Nao Tomori: ya i nerfed that
18:11 Doormat: maybe a 1/2 slider + circle?
18:11 Doormat: or nerf
18:12 Nao Tomori: but i need to make 1/2 bigger than 1/1
18:12 Doormat: nerf also works lol
18:12 Doormat: hmm true
18:12 Nao Tomori: so i'm still keeping a jump there
18:12 Nao Tomori: like 1.5x with sharp ang
18:12 Nao Tomori: or something
18:12 Doormat: 00:20:297 - seems awkward to ignore this?
18:12 Nao Tomori: hm
18:13 Nao Tomori: everyone says that but 00:20:454 (2) - is on the vocal
18:13 Nao Tomori: 00:20:771 (3,4) - since the vocal like
18:13 Nao Tomori: stopped having new shit
18:13 Doormat: yeah i figured that it was mapped to the vocals
18:13 Nao Tomori: i just put those in to cover the snare
18:13 Doormat: if you're gonna stick to vocals then i'd consider splitting 00:19:507 (1,2) - this up into two 1/1 sliders instead
18:13 Nao Tomori: hmm
18:13 Doormat: similar situation at 00:24:560 (1,2) -
18:14 Nao Tomori: ya that sounds goo
18:14 Nao Tomori: i'll do tha
18:14 Doormat: also lmao 00:36:954 (3) - is on a 5% volume point
18:15 Nao Tomori: woops
18:15 Nao Tomori: forgot to remve it
18:16 Doormat: 00:49:507 (6) - i think making the slider end here clickable would be more appropriate
18:16 Doormat: but this isn't bad either
18:16 Doormat: up to you
18:16 Nao Tomori: 00:48:876 (3,6) -
18:16 Nao Tomori: these ones were supposed to be same
18:16 Nao Tomori: though 6 is
18:16 Nao Tomori: different sound
18:17 Doormat: ahh fair enough
18:17 Doormat: didn't notice
18:17 Doormat: my bad
18:17 Nao Tomori: well you are right too
18:17 Nao Tomori: but i think it's just different interpretation
18:17 Doormat: although it does sound a bit weird to ignore the vocal at 00:50:928 - when you make it a point to put a focus on vocals
18:19 Nao Tomori: i
18:19 Nao Tomori: made it a point to ignore vocals T_T
18:19 Log Off Now: playing with hd sucks, i feel so good then i miss
18:19 Doormat: oh wait
18:19 Doormat: it's alternating between drums and vocals
18:19 Doormat: oops
18:19 Nao Tomori: hm
18:19 Nao Tomori: hmm
18:20 Nao Tomori: the vocals that are followed are incidental
18:20 Nao Tomori: but every object is on a drum sound
18:20 Doormat: ahh
18:20 Doormat: that's interesting to note
18:20 Nao Tomori: 00:54:718 (1) - i could make this 2 circle to make that idea more clear tbh
18:20 Nao Tomori: like 00:52:191 (1) -
18:20 Nao Tomori: this is for a cymbal
18:20 Doormat: 01:18:244 (4) - i'm guessing you haven't hitsounded yet?
18:20 Nao Tomori: no
18:21 Nao Tomori: haven't
18:21 Doormat: cause this 01:18:244 (4) - is the first clap i've heard lmao
18:21 Nao Tomori: yea lol waiting for gds to hitsound
18:21 frostwich: are there any applications that
18:21 Nao Tomori: hm
18:21 Doormat: 01:22:507 (1,2) - i think a 1/1 slider would work better here
18:21 Doormat: which is kind of funny considering sergio was all like "no don't use so many 1/1 sliders" earlier
18:22 Nao Tomori: mm
18:22 Nao Tomori: the issue is that 1/1 sliders actually work well on almost every downbeat
18:22 Shad0w1and: my maps does not offer many pp
18:22 Nao Tomori: so i need to force 1/2 into some of them
18:22 Nao Tomori: to make it more dense
18:22 Doormat: no you don't
18:22 Doormat: since when
18:23 Doormat: hmm how do i put it
18:23 Nao Tomori: i mean for the express purpose of making the kiai time harder
18:23 Nao Tomori: not because it actually improves map x d
18:23 Doormat: a 1/2 slider + circle combo works less effectively than a 1/1 slider because of how long the vocals are held
18:23 Nao Tomori: hm
18:23 Doormat: at 01:22:507 (1) -
18:24 Doormat: this is the only instance where a 1/1 would work more effectively
18:24 Doormat: the rest of the rhythm for the kiai is fine
18:24 Nao Tomori: ah
18:24 Nao Tomori: ya
18:24 Nao Tomori: actually that makes sense
18:26 Doormat: but yeah nao back to the map
18:26 Doormat: 01:18:560 (5,6,1) - should be like 01:17:297 (4,5,1) - yeah?
18:27 Doormat: in terms of how the triples are places
18:27 Doormat: cause right now the 6,1 is stacked and is like ???
18:27 Nao Tomori: u mean spacing
18:27 Nao Tomori: yeah
18:27 Doormat: yeah spacing
18:28 Doormat: 01:37:191 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - i don't have anything against round streams but i don't think this looks the prettiest
18:29 Doormat: could you try a different stream shape perhaps
18:29 Nao Tomori: hm
18:29 Nao Tomori: idk what is a good shape lo
18:29 Nao Tomori: i just used slider to stream
18:29 frostwich: wave strean
18:29 Doormat: you could try a wave yeah
18:29 Doormat: idk
18:29 Doormat: just something that's not this round
18:30 Doormat: and curved
18:30 Doormat: i guess
18:31 Nao Tomori: ok i'll make a question mark
18:32 Doormat: 01:59:612 (1,4) - i'd swap the NCs here
18:32 Doormat: quite frankly i don't think the current pattern really fits the music all that well
18:32 Nao Tomori: hi
18:32 Nao Tomori: hm
18:33 Nao Tomori: i'll add nc
18:33 Doormat: there's more emphasis on 02:00:560 (4) - so i'd space this further out from the previous combo
18:33 Doormat: but i'd keep the new combo at 02:00:560 (4,5,6) - or whatever same distance
18:33 Nao Tomori: idea here is like
18:33 Nao Tomori: 1/1 spacing all the same
18:33 Nao Tomori: dunno
18:34 Nao Tomori: i guess i could make it an angle but like
18:34 Doormat: i'd still differentiate the finish
18:34 Nao Tomori: mm
18:34 Nao Tomori: i'll make it stick out i guess
18:34 Nao Tomori: also im gonna brb
18:34 Nao Tomori: laptop dead
18:09 Doormat: Lost Memory?
18:09 Nao Tomori: ya
18:10 Doormat: 00:11:928 (1,2,1) - i'd argue that 2->1 should have more spacing, or that this should at the very least be equal spacing
18:10 Doormat: actually, just stick to equal spacing so it's consistent with 00:13:192 (1,2,1) -
18:11 Nao Tomori: mhm
18:11 Doormat: 00:14:455 (1,2,1) - same here
18:11 Nao Tomori: yea i made all of them equali
18:11 Doormat: i'd also argue that the music starts to quiet down at 00:15:718 (1,2,1) - so using the large spacing like you currently have isn't the best idea
18:11 Nao Tomori: hm
18:11 Nao Tomori: ya i nerfed that
18:11 Doormat: maybe a 1/2 slider + circle?
18:11 Doormat: or nerf
18:12 Nao Tomori: but i need to make 1/2 bigger than 1/1
18:12 Doormat: nerf also works lol
18:12 Doormat: hmm true
18:12 Nao Tomori: so i'm still keeping a jump there
18:12 Nao Tomori: like 1.5x with sharp ang
18:12 Nao Tomori: or something
18:12 Doormat: 00:20:297 - seems awkward to ignore this?
18:12 Nao Tomori: hm
18:13 Nao Tomori: everyone says that but 00:20:454 (2) - is on the vocal
18:13 Nao Tomori: 00:20:771 (3,4) - since the vocal like
18:13 Nao Tomori: stopped having new shit
18:13 Doormat: yeah i figured that it was mapped to the vocals
18:13 Nao Tomori: i just put those in to cover the snare
18:13 Doormat: if you're gonna stick to vocals then i'd consider splitting 00:19:507 (1,2) - this up into two 1/1 sliders instead
18:13 Nao Tomori: hmm
18:13 Doormat: similar situation at 00:24:560 (1,2) -
18:14 Nao Tomori: ya that sounds goo
18:14 Nao Tomori: i'll do tha
18:14 Doormat: also lmao 00:36:954 (3) - is on a 5% volume point
18:15 Nao Tomori: woops
18:15 Nao Tomori: forgot to remve it
18:16 Doormat: 00:49:507 (6) - i think making the slider end here clickable would be more appropriate
18:16 Doormat: but this isn't bad either
18:16 Doormat: up to you
18:16 Nao Tomori: 00:48:876 (3,6) -
18:16 Nao Tomori: these ones were supposed to be same
18:16 Nao Tomori: though 6 is
18:16 Nao Tomori: different sound
18:17 Doormat: ahh fair enough
18:17 Doormat: didn't notice
18:17 Doormat: my bad
18:17 Nao Tomori: well you are right too
18:17 Nao Tomori: but i think it's just different interpretation
18:17 Doormat: although it does sound a bit weird to ignore the vocal at 00:50:928 - when you make it a point to put a focus on vocals
18:19 Nao Tomori: i
18:19 Nao Tomori: made it a point to ignore vocals T_T
18:19 Log Off Now: playing with hd sucks, i feel so good then i miss
18:19 Doormat: oh wait
18:19 Doormat: it's alternating between drums and vocals
18:19 Doormat: oops
18:19 Nao Tomori: hm
18:19 Nao Tomori: hmm
18:20 Nao Tomori: the vocals that are followed are incidental
18:20 Nao Tomori: but every object is on a drum sound
18:20 Doormat: ahh
18:20 Doormat: that's interesting to note
18:20 Nao Tomori: 00:54:718 (1) - i could make this 2 circle to make that idea more clear tbh
18:20 Nao Tomori: like 00:52:191 (1) -
18:20 Nao Tomori: this is for a cymbal
18:20 Doormat: 01:18:244 (4) - i'm guessing you haven't hitsounded yet?
18:20 Nao Tomori: no
18:21 Nao Tomori: haven't
18:21 Doormat: cause this 01:18:244 (4) - is the first clap i've heard lmao
18:21 Nao Tomori: yea lol waiting for gds to hitsound
18:21 frostwich: are there any applications that
18:21 Nao Tomori: hm
18:21 Doormat: 01:22:507 (1,2) - i think a 1/1 slider would work better here
18:21 Doormat: which is kind of funny considering sergio was all like "no don't use so many 1/1 sliders" earlier
18:22 Nao Tomori: mm
18:22 Nao Tomori: the issue is that 1/1 sliders actually work well on almost every downbeat
18:22 Shad0w1and: my maps does not offer many pp
18:22 Nao Tomori: so i need to force 1/2 into some of them
18:22 Nao Tomori: to make it more dense
18:22 Doormat: no you don't
18:22 Doormat: since when
18:23 Doormat: hmm how do i put it
18:23 Nao Tomori: i mean for the express purpose of making the kiai time harder
18:23 Nao Tomori: not because it actually improves map x d
18:23 Doormat: a 1/2 slider + circle combo works less effectively than a 1/1 slider because of how long the vocals are held
18:23 Nao Tomori: hm
18:23 Doormat: at 01:22:507 (1) -
18:24 Doormat: this is the only instance where a 1/1 would work more effectively
18:24 Doormat: the rest of the rhythm for the kiai is fine
18:24 Nao Tomori: ah
18:24 Nao Tomori: ya
18:24 Nao Tomori: actually that makes sense
18:26 Doormat: but yeah nao back to the map
18:26 Doormat: 01:18:560 (5,6,1) - should be like 01:17:297 (4,5,1) - yeah?
18:27 Doormat: in terms of how the triples are places
18:27 Doormat: cause right now the 6,1 is stacked and is like ???
18:27 Nao Tomori: u mean spacing
18:27 Nao Tomori: yeah
18:27 Doormat: yeah spacing
18:28 Doormat: 01:37:191 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - i don't have anything against round streams but i don't think this looks the prettiest
18:29 Doormat: could you try a different stream shape perhaps
18:29 Nao Tomori: hm
18:29 Nao Tomori: idk what is a good shape lo
18:29 Nao Tomori: i just used slider to stream
18:29 frostwich: wave strean
18:29 Doormat: you could try a wave yeah
18:29 Doormat: idk
18:29 Doormat: just something that's not this round
18:30 Doormat: and curved
18:30 Doormat: i guess
18:31 Nao Tomori: ok i'll make a question mark
18:32 Doormat: 01:59:612 (1,4) - i'd swap the NCs here
18:32 Doormat: quite frankly i don't think the current pattern really fits the music all that well
18:32 Nao Tomori: hi
18:32 Nao Tomori: hm
18:33 Nao Tomori: i'll add nc
18:33 Doormat: there's more emphasis on 02:00:560 (4) - so i'd space this further out from the previous combo
18:33 Doormat: but i'd keep the new combo at 02:00:560 (4,5,6) - or whatever same distance
18:33 Nao Tomori: idea here is like
18:33 Nao Tomori: 1/1 spacing all the same
18:33 Nao Tomori: dunno
18:34 Nao Tomori: i guess i could make it an angle but like
18:34 Doormat: i'd still differentiate the finish
18:34 Nao Tomori: mm
18:34 Nao Tomori: i'll make it stick out i guess
18:34 Nao Tomori: also im gonna brb
18:34 Nao Tomori: laptop dead
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part 2 where we actually wisened up and finished the rest of the irc over pm instead of over modhelp
19:02 Doormat: anyways to get back to where we were
19:02 Nao Tomori: mm
19:02 Nao Tomori: ok so
19:02 Doormat: 02:13:033 (1) - i'd make this less curved
19:02 Doormat: something like this https://puu.sh/uSbUg/50bc9f4b80.png
19:02 Doormat: as an example
19:03 Doormat: 02:31:191 (2,6) - i mentioned this stack
19:03 Nao Tomori: mhm
19:04 Doormat: and i'd try curving this slider 02:31:981 (1) - a bit more so that it looks something like this https://puu.sh/uScar/2422efd79d.png
19:04 Doormat: like it's a good idea
19:04 Doormat: but it needs to be more wavy to better reflect the whammy in the guitars
19:04 Nao Tomori: hmm
19:04 Nao Tomori: yup
19:05 Doormat: oh is the blue thing in the break at 02:48:402 (1) - intentinoal
19:05 Doormat: intentional*
19:05 Nao Tomori: the bookmark?
19:05 Doormat: not the book mark
19:06 Nao Tomori: oh
19:06 Nao Tomori: uh
19:06 Nao Tomori: no
19:06 Doormat: the blue thing in the timeline https://puu.sh/uSct0/7191daa563.png
19:06 Nao Tomori: idk how that got there
19:06 Doormat: did you change the AR or OD or something?
19:06 Nao Tomori: no
19:06 Doormat: :thinking:
19:06 Doormat: k that's strange lol
19:06 Nao Tomori: i mean i made it ar 9.3
19:06 Nao Tomori: from 9.2
19:06 Doormat: oh
19:06 Nao Tomori: does that change that?
19:06 Doormat: that's probably what did it then
19:06 Nao Tomori: huh
19:06 Doormat: yeah AR change can mess up breaks for some reason
19:06 Nao Tomori: ohh
19:06 Nao Tomori: i see
19:07 Nao Tomori: cuz thats when the first object approach circle show up
19:07 Nao Tomori: so the break ends there
19:07 Doormat: ya
19:07 Doormat: 02:53:454 - surprised this timing point isn't kiai
19:08 Nao Tomori: hmm
19:08 Nao Tomori: i wanted to keep all the kiais on the
19:08 Nao Tomori: "ame ni bla bla" parts
19:08 Nao Tomori: but i guess this is intense af
19:08 Doormat: fair enough
19:08 Doormat: i mean it's up to you
19:09 Doormat: 03:07:507 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - i think this might play a bit awkwardly
19:09 Doormat: due to how curved the 5-note stream is
19:09 Nao Tomori: i imagined the stream plays like a slider
19:09 Nao Tomori: and i didnt see people have issues here
19:09 Doormat: fair enough
19:10 Doormat: i guess it's more how it looks rather than how it plays
19:10 Nao Tomori: hm
19:10 Nao Tomori: well
19:10 Nao Tomori: it's a rectangle with a circle stuck on it
19:10 Doormat: aha that's one way of looking at it
19:10 Nao Tomori: i guess i could make it more even
19:11 Doormat: last concern is 03:13:191 (4,5) -
19:11 Doormat: why a 1/4 slider?
19:11 Doormat: plays kind of awkwardly since it's the only one in the map
19:11 Doormat: and at 90% into the map it just feels out of place
19:11 Nao Tomori: cuz like
19:11 Nao Tomori: listen to the drums
19:12 Nao Tomori: 03:13:191 - 03:13:270 - is really loud compared to the red tick
19:12 Nao Tomori: i know it's suboptimal but like
19:12 Nao Tomori: the song does that
19:12 Doormat: yeah
19:12 Doormat: i'm thinking more along the lines of making it more comfortable for the player
19:12 Nao Tomori: mm
19:12 Nao Tomori: it's just played like a double tbh
19:13 Doormat: yeah my only concern is that this is the only double in the map
19:13 Doormat: and it's at 90% into the map
19:13 Nao Tomori: yea
19:13 Nao Tomori: that's valid
19:13 Doormat: i mean it fits the music
19:13 Doormat: so i can't exactly say it's wrong
19:13 Nao Tomori: but i think it fits the song too well to not leave it as a double
19:13 Nao Tomori: lol
19:13 Doormat: yeah
19:13 Doormat: i'd just say get a few more opinions there before you finalize anything
19:14 Nao Tomori: well
19:14 Nao Tomori: you're the 2nd mod on this
19:14 Nao Tomori: so still far off xd
19:14 Doormat: zzzz
19:14 Doormat: fair enough
19:14 Nao Tomori: dont think thiss is getting speed ranked any time soon
19:14 Doormat: and yeah that's about it
19:14 Nao Tomori: cool
19:02 Nao Tomori: mm
19:02 Nao Tomori: ok so
19:02 Doormat: 02:13:033 (1) - i'd make this less curved
19:02 Doormat: something like this https://puu.sh/uSbUg/50bc9f4b80.png
19:02 Doormat: as an example
19:03 Doormat: 02:31:191 (2,6) - i mentioned this stack
19:03 Nao Tomori: mhm
19:04 Doormat: and i'd try curving this slider 02:31:981 (1) - a bit more so that it looks something like this https://puu.sh/uScar/2422efd79d.png
19:04 Doormat: like it's a good idea
19:04 Doormat: but it needs to be more wavy to better reflect the whammy in the guitars
19:04 Nao Tomori: hmm
19:04 Nao Tomori: yup
19:05 Doormat: oh is the blue thing in the break at 02:48:402 (1) - intentinoal
19:05 Doormat: intentional*
19:05 Nao Tomori: the bookmark?
19:05 Doormat: not the book mark
19:06 Nao Tomori: oh
19:06 Nao Tomori: uh
19:06 Nao Tomori: no
19:06 Doormat: the blue thing in the timeline https://puu.sh/uSct0/7191daa563.png
19:06 Nao Tomori: idk how that got there
19:06 Doormat: did you change the AR or OD or something?
19:06 Nao Tomori: no
19:06 Doormat: :thinking:
19:06 Doormat: k that's strange lol
19:06 Nao Tomori: i mean i made it ar 9.3
19:06 Nao Tomori: from 9.2
19:06 Doormat: oh
19:06 Nao Tomori: does that change that?
19:06 Doormat: that's probably what did it then
19:06 Nao Tomori: huh
19:06 Doormat: yeah AR change can mess up breaks for some reason
19:06 Nao Tomori: ohh
19:06 Nao Tomori: i see
19:07 Nao Tomori: cuz thats when the first object approach circle show up
19:07 Nao Tomori: so the break ends there
19:07 Doormat: ya
19:07 Doormat: 02:53:454 - surprised this timing point isn't kiai
19:08 Nao Tomori: hmm
19:08 Nao Tomori: i wanted to keep all the kiais on the
19:08 Nao Tomori: "ame ni bla bla" parts
19:08 Nao Tomori: but i guess this is intense af
19:08 Doormat: fair enough
19:08 Doormat: i mean it's up to you
19:09 Doormat: 03:07:507 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - i think this might play a bit awkwardly
19:09 Doormat: due to how curved the 5-note stream is
19:09 Nao Tomori: i imagined the stream plays like a slider
19:09 Nao Tomori: and i didnt see people have issues here
19:09 Doormat: fair enough
19:10 Doormat: i guess it's more how it looks rather than how it plays
19:10 Nao Tomori: hm
19:10 Nao Tomori: well
19:10 Nao Tomori: it's a rectangle with a circle stuck on it
19:10 Doormat: aha that's one way of looking at it
19:10 Nao Tomori: i guess i could make it more even
19:11 Doormat: last concern is 03:13:191 (4,5) -
19:11 Doormat: why a 1/4 slider?
19:11 Doormat: plays kind of awkwardly since it's the only one in the map
19:11 Doormat: and at 90% into the map it just feels out of place
19:11 Nao Tomori: cuz like
19:11 Nao Tomori: listen to the drums
19:12 Nao Tomori: 03:13:191 - 03:13:270 - is really loud compared to the red tick
19:12 Nao Tomori: i know it's suboptimal but like
19:12 Nao Tomori: the song does that
19:12 Doormat: yeah
19:12 Doormat: i'm thinking more along the lines of making it more comfortable for the player
19:12 Nao Tomori: mm
19:12 Nao Tomori: it's just played like a double tbh
19:13 Doormat: yeah my only concern is that this is the only double in the map
19:13 Doormat: and it's at 90% into the map
19:13 Nao Tomori: yea
19:13 Nao Tomori: that's valid
19:13 Doormat: i mean it fits the music
19:13 Doormat: so i can't exactly say it's wrong
19:13 Nao Tomori: but i think it fits the song too well to not leave it as a double
19:13 Nao Tomori: lol
19:13 Doormat: yeah
19:13 Doormat: i'd just say get a few more opinions there before you finalize anything
19:14 Nao Tomori: well
19:14 Nao Tomori: you're the 2nd mod on this
19:14 Nao Tomori: so still far off xd
19:14 Doormat: zzzz
19:14 Doormat: fair enough
19:14 Nao Tomori: dont think thiss is getting speed ranked any time soon
19:14 Doormat: and yeah that's about it
19:14 Nao Tomori: cool