TheKingHenry wrote:

Hello mod from my queue~

Albatross

1. I don't think you are supposed to have 大神神話伝as the non-romanized title, it's not the title of the song, it's title of the original touhou song that this song is based on. The title should just be Lies in Reality. (add 大神神話伝to tags then tho) oh oops fixed
2. 01:19:813 - the 7/4 at 01:21:872 - should be here already You're right
3. similarly, 4/4 begins at 02:38:048 - instead of 02:40:401 - Fixed
4. either add 4/4 at 04:48:928 - or move the 3/4 so that it's at 04:50:986 - instead First one
5. 05:03:045 - 4/4 begins already here instead of 05:07:751 - Mhm
6. use custom combo colors, default ones in skin can look pretty retarded when considering the visual experience Oh yeah forgot about combo colors
7. 00:02:804 (3) - if you do stuff like this, have it inside slider, since clicking on this god knows how snapped beat is very unintuitive
8. 00:04:079 (4) - NC instead of 00:04:520 (1) - cuz the strong sound. This song has a lot of places where it emphasises the note 1/2 before the big white tick. Usually that's where you have NC then, so I won't mention 'em since likely there's hella lot of NC things to change here. Note that not every NC should still be done like that, just when the music justifies it
9. 00:13:491 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is just an example, I think there were many places where you had stream on place where the sound the stream bases the stream in is very quiet or doesn't even exist. Like here, I don't hear anything that would make sense to be made into 1/4. Again since there were a lot of these, I won't be mentioning them all. Note that this same thing applies to triples too, not only longer 1/4
10. 00:19:961 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I guess you are mapping the piano sound here or smth? That's kinda contradictory tho, since the piano is stronger around 00:19:226 (1,2,3,4) - than here, but there you just ignored it. Would make more sense to map it there then as well. Especially since you are going for not-so-common stream shape
11. 00:24:961 (7,8,9) - looks like this is 1/4 too late or smth? There no sound at 00:25:182 - but at 00:24:888 - there is Fixed
12. 01:06:284 (3) - NC should be here (white tick, emphasised sound, new phrase)
13. 01:09:226 (4) - I guess I said I wouldn't mention NCs again, but I feel like this could get skipped going according to what I said in the beginning. So yeah, NC here not earlier lol (or alternatively NC here AND earlier but that would just get messy and the place where the earlier NC is isn't too good either so preferably just this)
14. 02:43:342 (4,5,6) - weird spacing+flow. The linear flow combined with the drastically different spacing feels random, especially when 02:43:636 (6) - is somewhat important sound. Atleast it would make sense to have somewhat similar spacing and perhaps emphasize things with angles or smth
15. All in all, NC were pretty messy imo, visuals could use some work too if you want (but since they weren't really wrong or bad and were somewhat consistent in what they were, I didn't mention anything here). You might need to adjust both visuals and gameplay according to the structural changes you need to do to fix the NCing I had some sort of system for NC which made sense to me. I'll look through and re-evaluate whether a different NC system is more intuitive

Good luck!

[-R1] wrote:

Hi Frosting! since you asked for mod, so here you go. sorry it took so long >w<

00:09:520 - this burst makes unneeded emphasis, why not put reversing sliders instead? the rhythm here is actually kinda complicated (combination of 1/12? and 1/4) I wanna keep it as simple but straightforward as possible. I put streams instead because I wanted distinct areas of high and low intensity
00:13:491 - same issue as above, u put too much emphasis on part that aren't intense. put something like this?
00:44:667 - this section is inconsistent with this? 00:49:078 - and 00:50:990 - the latter is much more fitting tho, that burst on that part is weird.
i saw a lot of different rhythm inconistencies atm, and make this part feels odd to play.

Post 1st Break and Kiai feels fine to me, looks great aswell

03:32:164 - this part feels so empty, why not put some clickable object on 03:32:164 - and 03:32:311 - to increase emphasis super calm section
03:39:370 (6) - feels heavily undermapped
03:51:723 (3) - u could put this on the white tick behind it so it fits the guitar drums
05:59:368 (7) - this slider is not quite fit the rhythm and imo, a 1/1 slider would fit in better. I wanted to slow down the flow here without changing the intensity through lower SV
03:18:047 - 03:18:194 - 03:18:341 - should be clickable to put emphasis on 03:18:635 - like this for example. the whole section is like this, but I'll see if changing it would make it better

this is all i can find without being nitpicky, this rhythm is still kinda hard for me to mod :/
i'm still learning on modding so any suggestion is appreciated
good luck on your map

Kibbleru wrote:

sup

cud u make combo 4 like just a little darker so it doesnt look so similar to 1
lik these sections 02:19:518 - its a bit hard to tell the difference yeah

u sure u dont wana find a higher quality bg? what. I made the bg specially for this map. I think I made it before 1080p rule if that's what you mean, but 1080 is aids anyways. I don't wanna remake the bg either ugh (I can, but I don't want to)

00:14:863 (2) - the actual fuk is this lol if anything its more accurate on 1/8 yeah
00:02:804 (2) - ^ yeah
00:16:873 (2) - is this not snapped to 1/3 o-o yeah
00:23:050 (3,4,5) - shouldnt the triple be here instead? 00:23:270 - yeah
00:30:255 (4,5) - ^ yeah
05:57:015 (6,7,8,9) - ^ also this rhythm is strangely inconsistent with what you do in the other parts of this section yeah
00:45:108 - isnt it kinda weird to have the emphasis on the middle of the stream? yeah but in my first iteration it was like super unsmooth so I made it like this
00:53:490 - ^
02:44:518 (6,7,8,9,10) - sorta lacking Hitsounds here yeah
04:25:400 (4,5,6,7,8) - imo just stacking it a bit here would work better instead of leaving such a big spacing here 04:25:400 (4,5) - meh
04:48:193 (6) - 1/1 slider seems really inconsistent here, dont just do it for the sake of it >< meh
05:13:192 (5,6,7,1,2,3) - i'd prefer if u did something similar to 02:45:915 (6,7,8,1) - meh
05:29:221 (4,2) - nazi overlap meh
05:32:309 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - i really think ctrl g would be a better rhythm here I probably just made it 100x worse


01:11:137 (3,5) - NC? how come these get them 01:12:167 (1,1,1) - and not these because... these patterns are 'related' but the other ones are 'not related' you know what I mean
01:15:549 (3) - ^
01:16:578 (5) - ^ yeah this one I changed
ull hav to fix ur colorhaxing lol
01:35:254 (4,6) - shouldnt these get NC too? frostings plss yeah
01:37:386 (4) - ^ yeah
04:37:164 (5,1) - why isnt NC swapped here >< yeah
04:40:988 (2) - maybe NC to indicate that ur switching from 2/1 to 1/1 here meh
05:27:898 (6,1) - swap nc for consistency here 05:18:486 (1) - yeah

Kibbleru wrote:

05:32:309 (1,2,3,4,5) - what the fuk happened? I think it's pretty good
05:35:251 (1,2,3) - u could reduce spacing a bit here because the triplet sound is alot calmer compared to 05:34:956 (1,2,3) - did something
01:09:667 - missing some hs on the head actually intentional

why is kinshara in tags technically this is a collab and he's still a part of it. ask him, he can vouch for me

is source 東方Project or Abyss Nova Abyss Nova (it's the album). The song this is loosely based off of is from Touhou

Unused hitsounds:
normal-sliderwhistle.wav pretty sure I use this everywhere

Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms:
normal-hitfinish.wav I took this from the default skin, so like yeah. I cut it anyways though, there should be no problem

東方神霊廟　～ Ten Desires.

東方Project

1. Fix source
2. don't forget to remove Kinshara from tags
3. even if is not perfect white you shouldn't use it at the kiai 03:01:871 (1,2) - 05:45:692 (1,2,3,4,5) -

1. 00:01:726 (1) - idk if you care about visuals, but this slider doesn't looks nice, I think you can make the wave shape better.
2. 00:03:246 (1) - sounds a lot better if you end it at the red tick, if you don't want to atleast reduce the volume at the slider tail
3. 00:11:138 (1,1,2,3,4) - I don't get how your NCs work, specially the 1-1
4. 00:19:226 (1,2,3,4) - this part feels super empty o.o, I think you should map the piano, since you mapped it at other parts and feels inconsistent when you don't.
5. 00:52:461 (4) - this is touching the HP bar according to the rc you need to avoid this.
6. 00:53:490 (4) - why you don't bring this more emphasis as you did before with 00:50:990 (4,7,1) - 00:52:755 (5) - etc, in those parts you ignored a lot of 1/4s to bring more emphasis to these beats, I think you should do the same with 00:53:490 (4) -, basically delete 00:53:416 (3) - like in 00:55:255 (2,3) -
7. 01:19:813 (1) - not a fan of the spinner at all, it doesn't follows a hold sound, and I personally believe is better if you map that part properly to reflect better the music.
8. 01:33:269 (1,2) - that bluetick new combo don't fit the music, either NC 2 or change the rhythm 01:32:754 (4) - and place a circle at 01:33:195 - , tbh I notice u do this in other parts too, personally I'm not a fan of them and also the rhythm, since the first object in the triplets aren't clickables and that force u to NC the blueticks xd
9. 01:45:622 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - 01:53:857 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - 02:10:327 (1,2,1,1) - 02:18:489 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,1) - 04:38:341 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - I didn't understand how your NCs work here, I feel them being too spammy for no reason
10. 01:54:224 (1,2,3,4) - there is something special in the song, why not making something special in the map too?
11. 02:40:621 (1,2) - this bluetick NC is the worst probably, since the music and vocals changes at 2 not at the bluetick
12. 04:50:545 (1,1) - vs 04:51:868 (1,2) - either nc both or none
13. 04:50:031 (1,2) - again the blue tick NCs don't work at all, the music changes at 2 not at the blue tick
14. 05:07:971 (1,2) - ^
15. 02:42:606 (1,2,3) - vs 05:09:956 (1,2,3) - why the huge spacing difference o.o

Natsu wrote:

General

1. Fix source I will use "東方神霊廟　～ Ten Desires" for the source and move "Shinreibyou ~" to tags.
2. don't forget to remove Kinshara from tags Removed
3. even if is not perfect white you shouldn't use it at the kiai 03:01:871 (1,2) - 05:45:692 (1,2,3,4,5) - If the problem is the colour itself, I made both whites darker. I use those colours for this part very intentionally for a colour effect

Diff

1. 00:01:726 (1) - idk if you care about visuals, but this slider doesn't looks nice, I think you can make the wave shape better. I made it a bit smoother. Hopefully it looks better now.
2. 00:03:246 (1) - sounds a lot better if you end it at the red tick, if you don't want to atleast reduce the volume at the slider tail Ended on red tick.
3. 00:11:138 (1,1,2,3,4) - I don't get how your NCs work, specially the 1-1 Colour effect
4. 00:19:226 (1,2,3,4) - this part feels super empty o.o, I think you should map the piano, since you mapped it at other parts and feels inconsistent when you don't. I already tried various things here. What I have currently is the result of maximizing emphasis and movement to go well with the strong drums and higher intensity
5. 00:52:461 (4) - this is touching the HP bar according to the rc you need to avoid this. I shifted it down
6. 00:53:490 (4) - why you don't bring this more emphasis as you did before with 00:50:990 (4,7,1) - 00:52:755 (5) - etc, in those parts you ignored a lot of 1/4s to bring more emphasis to these beats, I think you should do the same with 00:53:490 (4) -, basically delete 00:53:416 (3) - like in 00:55:255 (2,3) - I can't really explain it.. It's like why I make 5 notes here 00:44:226 (1,2,3,4,5) - instead of 3, or map 00:44:961 (2,3,4,5,6) - the same way
7. 01:19:813 (1) - not a fan of the spinner at all, it doesn't follows a hold sound, and I personally believe is better if you map that part properly to reflect better the music. I like the spinner here It's like an "unwind" spinner, transition from the high intensity into the break and calmer section afterwards
8. 01:33:269 (1,2) - that bluetick new combo don't fit the music, either NC 2 or change the rhythm 01:32:754 (4) - and place a circle at 01:33:195 - , tbh I notice u do this in other parts too, personally I'm not a fan of them and also the rhythm, since the first object in the triplets aren't clickables and that force u to NC the blueticks xd I put NC on the blues if they stack with the next downbeat note. I think the rhythm is fine.
9. 01:45:622 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - 01:53:857 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - 02:10:327 (1,2,1,1) - 02:18:489 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,1) - 04:38:341 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - I didn't understand how your NCs work here, I feel them being too spammy for no reason they're gradient effects
10. 01:54:224 (1,2,3,4) - there is something special in the song, why not making something special in the map too? I don't really think the sound is that noticeable to warrant anything too fancy... I put a whistle on those to bring it out a bit, but I prefer to keep the patterns similar to the other fast drums in this section
11. 02:40:621 (1,2) - this bluetick NC is the worst probably, since the music and vocals changes at 2 not at the bluetick -- same as above
12. 04:50:545 (1,1) - vs 04:51:868 (1,2) - either nc both or none mmm I gotta defend myself The 1-2 are supposed to be "paired" in the pattern, while 1-1 aren't paired so I did NC's like that. If I change NCs I'll be wanting to change the pattern--a lot of work for just a little NC issue
13. 04:50:031 (1,2) - again the blue tick NCs don't work at all, the music changes at 2 not at the blue tick
14. 05:07:971 (1,2) - ^
15. 02:42:606 (1,2,3) - vs 05:09:956 (1,2,3) - why the huge spacing difference o.o The spacing changes a lot throughout the kiai... I think the momentum from the kiai makes the large spaced ones easier to hit

I really dislike the bluetick NCs, you can call your previous BN for rebub

Frostings wrote:

sorry I didn't know what was expected of me
I'm out of touch because I don't do this often

I don't want to raise volume because it makes the Normal whistles a bit annoying. Instead of them being a side addition they'll take center stage, making them a bit obnoxious then make the louder sections of the song louder at least, right now you have everything at 60% which doesnt do the different volume sections of the music any justice. i think at least the loud kiais 02:40:253 - to 03:27:459 - etc should be louder because the music just is

I'm not really sure what you want me to say about the two suggestions
I don't know why linear movement makes it dumb -- it feels interesting and I don't really see anything wrong with the spacing to warrant an overhaul it's because you have completely linear movement throughout 02:43:342 (4,5,6) - which results in you having to speed up and slow down which would work better if it was set up to change direction on the last object like 02:52:753 (4,5,6) - or most other instances of this in the map

I playtested this map probably over 50 times, so I'm not sure why you're singling out the reverse slider into 4 notes, when other sliders into 4 notes are similar in difficulty if not harder/less intuitive to play

I'm fairly conservative when it comes to applying mods, so I don't like to make changes just for the sake of making them if I can't relate to the suggestions other people give me

Hope this is sufficient

Okorin wrote:

05:32:309 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is complete cancer to play in combination with a quintiplet follwing it

1. The main thing I can point out is where you used 1/1 sliders (snapped to red beats) and used this kind of rhythm: https://i.imgur.com/vokFMir.png. It's perfectly fine but their spacing is really inconsistent since in some times you did it in a readable way and in some other parts you did something like this, which is completely unexpected and doesn't flow good at all. Plus, they have barely any difference in emphasis so why such a long spacing?
   
   Inconsistent spacing: 05:09:956 (1,2,3) - 05:17:015 (1,1,2) - 05:33:486 (1,2,3) - 02:49:665 (1,1,2) - would highly recommend fixing them by making the distance between them lower.
   
   
2. 02:09:224 (1,2) - Since there's kinda of a small break there you could stack (1) to (2) so their spacing wouldn't be so confusing and look like it doesn't have any kind of gap between them.
3. 02:47:312 (1,2,3,4) - Snapping choice here really feels out of place and inconsistent since you usually use 1/1 slider → blue tick circle → 1/1 slider, but here you used a 3/4 slider and then a triplet. That makes it really inconsistent and unexpected to read.
4. 03:01:871 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - I can't really hear anything decreasing in the song here so there's not really a reason to decrease the spacing of these jumps, specially the last circle, which has a strong finish on it.
5. 04:38:341 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - This is a special and different section, I know, but do you really need to NC every slider? They don't have any kind of SV change, rhythm change, snapping change or anything like that. If you want a lot of NCs you can make them 1-2-1-2 instead of 1-1-1-1-1-1
6. 05:12:162 (9,1) - Flow here is a bit awkward to follow as the streams are pointing to a direction and them the transition between them and the slider is exactly the opposite. Doing this would be much better: https://i.imgur.com/OmHAQL4.png
7. 05:26:795 (1,2) - You could definitely move these to x:296 y:60 to get a smoother transition and consistency.
8. 05:58:780 (6,1) - Spacing and transition here also doesn't play really good since (6) is too close to the previous stream and then there's a huge jump to a stream that's designed in a way that makes the flow feel a bit uncomfortable. Moving (6) to somewhere near x:224 y:268 would be a lot better.

1. 02:09:224 (1,2) - It's intentionally spaced out. Stacked anti-jumps are overused :-)
2. 02:47:312 (1,2,3,4) - It's not the first use of a bluetick ending slider into 1/4 circles, so I don't think it's a huge issue. Admittedly I agree it's inconsistent, but I don't think inconsistent means it's bad or needs to be changed
3. 03:01:871 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - Not a big deal. The way I see it, it's a little wind-down from the kiai, into the softer section. Regarding the last note, increasing spacing with increasing intensity is overrated
4. 04:38:341 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - 1-2 would make sense if the sliders were meant to be paired up. These sliders are more independent ideas than linked with each other. The NC spam also makes for nice colorhax
5. 05:12:162 (9,1) - This happens a bit in this kiai, and though this is perhaps the biggest offender, the other ones aren't far off. If I change this one, I'll have to change the others, and then the kiai becomes a cakewalk
6. 05:26:795 (1,2) - I do like the unorthodox flow here
7. 05:58:780 (6,1) - Breaking flow on 6 isn't really ideal for me. Having the flow gives me a deeper transition into the stream. Moving the stream closer is kinda lame

Frostings wrote:

I'm not too fond on true consistency, like every similar beat should have same emphasis etc.
A slider then 2 stacked 1/4s is a common theme in the map, so I don't think there's too much worry about unexpected rhythm / readability issues. All the jumps occur after sliderends making it relatively easy to hit Yeah, all them occurring after slider ends is intuitive but why make some of them so small and some of them THAT huge? Even if you want to have some variation you don't really need to do one really close and one almost fullscreen.

1. 02:47:312 (1,2,3,4) - It's not the first use of a bluetick ending slider into 1/4 circles, so I don't think it's a huge issue. Admittedly I agree it's inconsistent, but I don't think inconsistent means it's bad or needs to be changed Inconsistency doesn't mean it's bad but in this Kiai, for example, this is the only part were you used it and there are similar places that you couldn've definifely done the same, like here 02:56:724 (1) - , which is almost exactly the same vocal but yet different patterns. It's not really about consistency but doing it randomly and not in an intuitive way.
2. 05:12:162 (9,1) - This happens a bit in this kiai, and though this is perhaps the biggest offender, the other ones aren't far off. If I change this one, I'll have to change the others, and then the kiai becomes a cakewalk I don't really see much reasoning in breaking the flow just so the Kiai won't be easy. I couldn't notice anything else that breaks the flow as this one and that's why I think it should be fixed. Maybe there are, indeed, some that "break" the flow a bit, but this one is the more noticeable as the spacing is higher and the slider design doesn't really make it smooth.
3. 05:58:780 (6,1) - Breaking flow on 6 isn't really ideal for me. Having the flow gives me a deeper transition into the stream. Moving the stream closer is kinda lame So instead of moving only 6 you can move the previous stream along with 6. There's a really strong sound in (6) and wouldn't be an issue at all to change the flow there. You can move 6 to x:228 y:108 and 05:58:339 (1,2,3,4,5) - to x:388 y:268 as it would make the flow smoother and wouldn't break transition between (6) and the previous stream.

Thanks for the concerns, let me know if you need me to elaborate on some of these