If you think it's possible that beeboy and Frosty would decide to shoot the person townreading BOTH of them, walk me through the scum thought process or motivations behind such action.
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I'd kill Sakura n1 as scum tbh.
Her gut reads are too scary.
Her gut reads are too scary.
Unless you and Sakura are scum this makes for a convincing townie read tbhbeeboy123 wrote:
I'd kill Sakura n1 as scum tbh.
Her gut reads are too scary.
Dammit that is also assuming that Sakura is scum. BBoy + X wouldn't confirm the town read
*scratches head*
*scratches head*
One of my main aspects of my scum game is that im way too worried about being consistent that sometimes i overcompensate for it, also as scum im way more appeasy. As town my reads tend to flip 180 randomly.
Perhaps because it's unlikely that someone is going to keep their D1 townreads throughout the entire game and he could become a threat later on? And there's always the possibility that it's just WIFOM. I'm not saying that it isn't evidence whatsoever but it's definitely not enough to rule out that possibility, and from what I've seen later in the game convinces me more than that does.Sakura wrote:
Dunno, if you and your scum partner are being townread by X do you shoot him?
Alright that's a good point, I was thinking that he was just townreading beeboy. Not sure, it still might just be a WIFOM move since they might be able to use that to defend themselves and there's no guarantee rEdo will keep being their ally.Sakura wrote:
If you think it's possible that beeboy and Frosty would decide to shoot the person townreading BOTH of them, walk me through the scum thought process or motivations behind such action.
I mean case in point, the next day he was scumreading both of them.
There is no guarantee he'll keep townreading them sure (and in fact he didnt), but personal experience as once upon a time i bus'd my partner and then proceeded to NK people townreading me as a way to try to make me look like scum was trying to ML me by killing the people protecting me backfired hard.
Also actually it isnt "randomly" but those were the exact words that someone said about their assesment of my meta, so it stuck.Sakura wrote:
One of my main aspects of my scum game is that im way too worried about being consistent that sometimes i overcompensate for it, also as scum im way more appeasy. As town my reads tend to flip 180 randomly.
Alright but I don't see how that is particularly relevant to this game, neither of them have the same experiences as you and there's no evidence that they're even trying to carry out those tactics, as I've pointed out they've been cooperating fairly well.Sakura wrote:
There is no guarantee he'll keep townreading them sure (and in fact he didnt), but personal experience as once upon a time i bus'd my partner and then proceeded to NK people townreading me as a way to try to make me look like scum was trying to ML me by killing the people protecting me backfired hard.
Can you point out instances of bee and Frosty cooperating?
From what I can tell from a quick browse,
-both of them have pretty much been townreading each other the whole game
-Frostings pushed the Jess vote pretty heavily rather than the beeboy vote
-he also went from townreading me on day 1 to scumreading me after I started to go after beeboy. As far as I know he hasn't really explained any good reason for his scumreading/voting me, it just seems like he's attacking me to defend beeboy, which as I've read on the mafiascum wiki, is pretty indicative of scum
From what you've said I'm slightly less convinced that Frosty is scum and there's a chance that it's abraker, but regardless I'm pretty certain that at least beeboy is scum.
-both of them have pretty much been townreading each other the whole game
-Frostings pushed the Jess vote pretty heavily rather than the beeboy vote
-he also went from townreading me on day 1 to scumreading me after I started to go after beeboy. As far as I know he hasn't really explained any good reason for his scumreading/voting me, it just seems like he's attacking me to defend beeboy, which as I've read on the mafiascum wiki, is pretty indicative of scum
From what you've said I'm slightly less convinced that Frosty is scum and there's a chance that it's abraker, but regardless I'm pretty certain that at least beeboy is scum.
Me and Frosty have been townreading each other the whole game too, heck it's Abraker's main point for a me/Frosty scumteam.B1rd wrote:
-both of them have pretty much been townreading each other the whole game
I could've sworn it was bee pushing Jess more heavily than Frosty but i'll go double checkB1rd wrote:
-Frostings pushed the Jess vote pretty heavily rather than the beeboy vote
This is a fair point, chainsaw?B1rd wrote:
-he also went from townreading me on day 1 to scumreading me after I started to go after beeboy. As far as I know he hasn't really explained any good reason for his scumreading/voting me, it just seems like he's attacking me to defend beeboy, which as I've read on the mafiascum wiki, is pretty indicative of scum
Fact Checking from D2, Frosty wanted Jess PL'd, didn't do much scumhunting, kept ascertaining the bee's town, Went after hika then halted and said what she did was a towntell, only voted Jess near deadline.
Bee wanted Jess dead coz of an apparent lie, he legit scumread Jess, he also TR Frosty.
Bee wanted Jess dead coz of an apparent lie, he legit scumread Jess, he also TR Frosty.
You know, up until now i still wonder what the fuck was with that "Jess declared intent to hammer" shenanigans, when she never did, bee was the first one to mention it, and i pointed it out.
Then most of the D2 discussion devolved back to Jess declared intent to hammer but thought he was at L-2.
Then most of the D2 discussion devolved back to Jess declared intent to hammer but thought he was at L-2.
Damn im getting tired, and i also want to hear from Hika and Frosty (why did i almost type ika LOL), I also want to hear bee's reply to you.
I'm still waiting to see what frosty says bc I really want to vote him if not bee.
Also sorry for my lack of posts this game. I'm just really trying to focus on my health right now. If it's bad I'll VLA if I need to.
I'll just take the time to heal until frosty gets back really...
I'll just take the time to heal until frosty gets back really...
Topic Starter
Why is Invisible Inc. so hard
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Frostings is V/LA until March 1th.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
Votecount 3.4
No Lynch [1] - Frostings (L-2)
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
abraker [1] - Sakura
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
B1rd [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika, , beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
No Lynch [1] - Frostings (L-2)
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
abraker [1] - Sakura
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
B1rd [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika, , beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Frostings is V/LA until March 1th.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
That's what makes it funZexion wrote:
Why is Invisible Inc. so hard
-[Jess]- wrote:
@Dawn Any thing you want to say about?
or I will hammer after I wake up
oh i see that seems to have happened right before the post where she said she didnt want to hammer, i missed that entirely i guess.
1) I did that the last time I played with Frosting in newbie 14 I just find him pretty easy to read due to the differences I have seen in his scum and town game and the tone of his posts.B1rd wrote:
From what I can tell from a quick browse,
-both of them have pretty much been townreading each other the whole game
-Frostings pushed the Jess vote pretty heavily rather than the beeboy vote
-he also went from townreading me on day 1 to scumreading me after I started to go after beeboy. As far as I know he hasn't really explained any good reason for his scumreading/voting me, it just seems like he's attacking me to defend beeboy, which as I've read on the mafiascum wiki, is pretty indicative of scum
From what you've said I'm slightly less convinced that Frosty is scum and there's a chance that it's abraker, but regardless I'm pretty certain that at least beeboy is scum.
2) Is this relevant when he is town reading me?
3) You have been going after me pretty much the entire game? So you can make this argument about literally anyone that ever attacks you.
I kinda want to sheep Sakura because I don't care much about what happens in this game anymore and I doubt there is an available replacement on this site.
But yeah I just want to point out b1rd has pretty much been tunneling me the entire game.
But yeah I just want to point out b1rd has pretty much been tunneling me the entire game.
hello, I found a little bit of time 
Is the only reason because of your gut feel due to me 180ing my read on you?
I don't really like B1rd's vote against beeboy, it feels quite opportunistic
abraker's posts are reaching Setsuen levels
wow Hika after everything I've done for youHika wrote:
I'm still waiting to see what frosty says bc I really want to vote him if not bee.
Is the only reason because of your gut feel due to me 180ing my read on you?I don't really like B1rd's vote against beeboy, it feels quite opportunistic
abraker's posts are reaching Setsuen levels
I actually don't understand, did he just paste his entire ISO or are there his own comments within the quotes?
My reads stay mostly the same
I don't think scum Hika would tunnel me this hard
I'm picking up bits of AtE from Sakura. Sakura as scum is something I've considered, and still considering, but any leads against her isn't as strong as my other scumreads
If I recall beeboy usually gives up when he's town
I'm still suspicious of abraker but it frustrates me that I can't meta read him
and by PoE the other one is probably B1rd then, who I'll point my finger at again after beeboy vote
I don't think scum Hika would tunnel me this hard
I'm picking up bits of AtE from Sakura. Sakura as scum is something I've considered, and still considering, but any leads against her isn't as strong as my other scumreads
If I recall beeboy usually gives up when he's town
I'm still suspicious of abraker but it frustrates me that I can't meta read him
and by PoE the other one is probably B1rd then, who I'll point my finger at again after beeboy vote
Didn't you miss some combinations?Sakura wrote:
In an entirely objective data oriented only way.
both bee and frosty were townread at the end of D1.
Beeboy + Frosty (cannot be scum together) | It doesnt make sense for this scumteam compositon to shoot whoever's townreading them.
Possibilities:
Beeboy+B1rd (Doesnt make sense both were off wagon on D1).
Beeboy+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Beeboy+abraker (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
abraker+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+B1rd (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+Frosty (This would be a long con busing if it was true, so probably not)
Hika+Frosty (Interactions on D2 dont make sense if they are scum together)
Leaving us with the possibilities of:
Beeboy/Hika, Beeboy/Abraker, Abraker/Hika, Abraker/B1rd.
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
I already talked about Beeboy.
Vote: Abraker
Huh, you're right.Frostings wrote:
Hika + B1rd, me and B1rd
My mind's slipping a lot lately, surprised no one else noticed it. Thanks, i'll see if either of those make sense tomorrow (irl)
Sakura-sama D:beeboy123 wrote:
Sakura do you think b1rd is scum?
Setsuen?Frostings wrote:
abraker's posts are reaching Setsuen levels
As per my pairings post, i had abraker as 100% scum while B1rd as 50% scum, that may change given these new possibilities.beeboy123 wrote:
Sakura-sama D:beeboy123 wrote:
Sakura do you think b1rd is scum?
So when did I suddenly go from being town to being scum? Just because I'm being attacked by two people because I think they're scum?
How? I thought beeboy was scum before anyone else even. Considering the effort I've been going to to push this lynch when apparently no one else wants to it's the opposite of opportunism.Frostings wrote:
I don't really like B1rd's vote against beeboy, it feels quite opportunistic
So when did I suddenly go from being town to being scum? Just because I'm being attacked by two people because I think they're scum?I mean there is more to it then that.
There is an issue with you tunneling someone for literally the entire game and never really pressuring anyone else or reconsidering your read.
How? I thought beeboy was scum before anyone else even. Considering the effort I've been going to to push this lynch when apparently no one else wants to it's the opposite of opportunism.You have really only started hard pushing me right now.
And also that is something you admitted in your last post "Frosting only started pushing me when I started to push beeboy". And Hika declared she wanted it in her last set of posts.
Sakura-sama am I the only one who sees how horrible these last few b1rd posts are?
Do you realise how much you're contradicting yourself? Apparently I'm tunneling you the entire game but then suddenly I'm being opportunistic and pushing you hard right now. Of course I'm pushing you today, I was on the fence yesterday between you and Jess but now she's dead that leaves only you. I've already considered my reads and no new information has come up to make me change my mind. So I'm scum just because I'm actually pursuing my scumreads instead of flip-flopping like everyone else?beeboy123 wrote:
So when did I suddenly go from being town to being scum? Just because I'm being attacked by two people because I think they're scum?I mean there is more to it then that.
There is an issue with you tunneling someone for literally the entire game and never really pressuring anyone else or reconsidering your read.How? I thought beeboy was scum before anyone else even. Considering the effort I've been going to to push this lynch when apparently no one else wants to it's the opposite of opportunism.You have really only started hard pushing me right now.
And also that is something you admitted in your last post "Frosting only started pushing me when I started to push beeboy". And Hika declared she wanted it in her last set of posts.
Funny that all of a sudden you're sucking up to Sakura when a moment ago you were going on about how much she was scum.beeboy123 wrote:
Sakura-sama am I the only one who sees how horrible these last few b1rd posts are?