Sakura wrote:

OTOH: rEdo was on the wagon, what does scum gain by shooting off someone on the wagon after i had said that if dawns flipped town someone on the wagon had to be scum? Attempt at discredit or protection? hmm

abraker wrote:

rEdo

Sakura wrote:

OTOH: rEdo was on the wagon, what does scum gain by shooting off someone on the wagon after i had said that if dawns flipped town someone on the wagon had to be scum? Attempt at discredit or protection? hmm

had to eliminated because it creates less uncertainty among the townies. As a mafia, would you rather have a confirmed townie, and 5 others who nobody knows who has what role, or 6 people who don't know who has what role? Keep in mind the mafia already know who is who. All special roles are eliminated. NK'ing rEdo was a no brainer, regardless of bandwagon.

If you couldn't figure that out, you must be playing dumb

Sakura wrote:

The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.

abraker wrote:

Sakura wrote:

The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.

Funny how I was suspecting that all along, is it not?

You are still defebding Frosty much. I say we vote Frostings and watch Sakura break down. If he is town then I am mafia, if not Sakura is next.

Sakura wrote:

In an entirely objective data oriented only way.
both bee and frosty were townread at the end of D1.
Beeboy + Frosty (cannot be scum together) | It doesnt make sense for this scumteam compositon to shoot whoever's townreading them.
Possibilities:
Beeboy+B1rd (Doesnt make sense both were off wagon on D1).
Beeboy+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Beeboy+abraker (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
abraker+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+B1rd (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+Frosty (This would be a long con busing if it was true, so probably not)
Hika+Frosty (Interactions on D2 dont make sense if they are scum together)

Leaving us with the possibilities of:

Beeboy/Hika, Beeboy/Abraker, Abraker/Hika, Abraker/B1rd.

The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
I already talked about Beeboy.
Vote: Abraker

beeboy123 wrote:

I'd kill Sakura n1 as scum tbh.
Her gut reads are too scary.

Sakura wrote:

Dunno, if you and your scum partner are being townread by X do you shoot him?

Sakura wrote:

If you think it's possible that beeboy and Frosty would decide to shoot the person townreading BOTH of them, walk me through the scum thought process or motivations behind such action.

Sakura wrote:

One of my main aspects of my scum game is that im way too worried about being consistent that sometimes i overcompensate for it, also as scum im way more appeasy. As town my reads tend to flip 180 randomly.

Sakura wrote:

There is no guarantee he'll keep townreading them sure (and in fact he didnt), but personal experience as once upon a time i bus'd my partner and then proceeded to NK people townreading me as a way to try to make me look like scum was trying to ML me by killing the people protecting me backfired hard.

B1rd wrote:

-both of them have pretty much been townreading each other the whole game

B1rd wrote:

-Frostings pushed the Jess vote pretty heavily rather than the beeboy vote

B1rd wrote:

-he also went from townreading me on day 1 to scumreading me after I started to go after beeboy. As far as I know he hasn't really explained any good reason for his scumreading/voting me, it just seems like he's attacking me to defend beeboy, which as I've read on the mafiascum wiki, is pretty indicative of scum

Zexion wrote:

Why is Invisible Inc. so hard

-[Jess]- wrote:

@Dawn Any thing you want to say about?
or I will hammer after I wake up

B1rd wrote:

From what I can tell from a quick browse,

-both of them have pretty much been townreading each other the whole game
-Frostings pushed the Jess vote pretty heavily rather than the beeboy vote
-he also went from townreading me on day 1 to scumreading me after I started to go after beeboy. As far as I know he hasn't really explained any good reason for his scumreading/voting me, it just seems like he's attacking me to defend beeboy, which as I've read on the mafiascum wiki, is pretty indicative of scum

From what you've said I'm slightly less convinced that Frosty is scum and there's a chance that it's abraker, but regardless I'm pretty certain that at least beeboy is scum.

Hika wrote:

I'm still waiting to see what frosty says bc I really want to vote him if not bee.

Sakura wrote:

In an entirely objective data oriented only way.
both bee and frosty were townread at the end of D1.
Beeboy + Frosty (cannot be scum together) | It doesnt make sense for this scumteam compositon to shoot whoever's townreading them.
Possibilities:
Beeboy+B1rd (Doesnt make sense both were off wagon on D1).
Beeboy+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Beeboy+abraker (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
abraker+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+B1rd (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+Frosty (This would be a long con busing if it was true, so probably not)
Hika+Frosty (Interactions on D2 dont make sense if they are scum together)

Leaving us with the possibilities of:

Beeboy/Hika, Beeboy/Abraker, Abraker/Hika, Abraker/B1rd.

The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
I already talked about Beeboy.
Vote: Abraker

Frostings wrote:

Hika + B1rd, me and B1rd

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura do you think b1rd is scum?

Frostings wrote:

abraker's posts are reaching Setsuen levels

beeboy123 wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura do you think b1rd is scum?

Sakura-sama D:

Frostings wrote:

I don't really like B1rd's vote against beeboy, it feels quite opportunistic

So when did I suddenly go from being town to being scum? Just because I'm being attacked by two people because I think they're scum?

How? I thought beeboy was scum before anyone else even. Considering the effort I've been going to to push this lynch when apparently no one else wants to it's the opposite of opportunism.

beeboy123 wrote:

So when did I suddenly go from being town to being scum? Just because I'm being attacked by two people because I think they're scum?

I mean there is more to it then that.
There is an issue with you tunneling someone for literally the entire game and never really pressuring anyone else or reconsidering your read.

How? I thought beeboy was scum before anyone else even. Considering the effort I've been going to to push this lynch when apparently no one else wants to it's the opposite of opportunism.

You have really only started hard pushing me right now.
And also that is something you admitted in your last post "Frosting only started pushing me when I started to push beeboy". And Hika declared she wanted it in her last set of posts.

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura-sama am I the only one who sees how horrible these last few b1rd posts are?

Do you realise how much you're contradicting yourself? Apparently I'm tunneling you the entire game but then suddenly I'm being opportunistic and pushing you hard right now. Of course I'm pushing you today, I was on the fence yesterday between you and Jess but now she's dead that leaves only you. I've already considered my reads and no new information has come up to make me change my mind. So I'm scum just because I'm actually pursuing my scumreads instead of flip-flopping like everyone else?

Funny that all of a sudden you're sucking up to Sakura when a moment ago you were going on about how much she was scum.

beeboy123 wrote:

If you don't understand why I think Sakura is town or why I'd feel inclined to work with her right now then you aren't reading the game I don't even know what to say about this.

beeboy123 wrote:

Tunneling me for literally the entire game and being incredibly stubborn about your reads is still a scum tell. Yes it comes from town sometimes but a vast majority of the time it comes from scum.

with two scum at play that makes it really easy for them to divert scumreads to someone else and thus town loses

B1rd wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

Tunneling me for literally the entire game and being incredibly stubborn about your reads is still a scum tell. Yes it comes from town sometimes but a vast majority of the time it comes from scum.

Also, going into this a bit more, I have no idea when being stubborn is a scumread because it feels like you just made that up. Of course you have to follow your scumreads because with two scum at play that makes it really easy for them to divert scumreads to someone else and this town loses. It's not "being stubborn", it's that you have done nothing to convince me you're not scum and the game has gone on you've just been even more scummy than before with all your AtE, calling anyone who is against you scum, etc.

B1rd wrote:

with two scum at play that makes it really easy for them to divert scumreads to someone else and thus town loses

And one last thing; that seems exactly what has happened here, it seem a bit strange that - besides Sakura for a short time - any support for lynching you seems to have completely died after rEdo died. As I've repeated before it doesn't make sense that none of the scum is going for you if you are a townie. Seems like it would have been easy to bandwagon you at the start of D3 that they all could have jumped on.

beeboy123 wrote:

You haven't tried to reavaluate your read on me once this game.
Even when I was 1v1ing Sakura she was trying to figure out if I was town (even before I killed motivation to play died for a bit) you are pushing me to get a lynch not to game solve is what I am saying.

Also you keep saying I am trying to AtE when I self voted and literally never brought it up again. You also fail to address like half the arguments I make about your points on me.

beeboy123 wrote:

You are going for me and Hika is going for me and you are also scum?
What reason do you have to town read Hika?

B1rd wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

I guess I'll wait for Sakura to come up with whatever things she's looking into.

Sakura wrote:

but with the lack of ability to do double ISOs and knowing i need to re-read the entire thing has made me lazy

B1rd wrote:

Can we consider our current situation for a moment? If beeboy wasn't scum then it doesn't make any sense that everyone else is either apathetic or against a beeboy lynch. It would only makes sense that if he weren't scum the actual scum would be trying to push a bandwagon to win.

It's easy to play capt. hindsight, but I did want to lynch bee yesterday when he was a hair's breadth away; I'm not apathetic but rather I'm annoyed that he somehow managed to convince other people with his weak AtE arguments that contain about as little substance as all the rest of his play.

Sakura wrote:

And honestly with the way you're going against bee, I figure it'd be kinda useless, you seem to have closed up to the possibility of being wrong.

aand you keep going on bout how tired you are of this game and how you've lost all motivation. You also threatened to intentionally make town lose, how can I overlook that?

I haven't addressed a lot of your arguments because frankly the reasons I have scumread you are due to critical flaws in your gameplay and that's not something you can just talk your way out of like you did with Sakura. Your conversation with Sakura was just all about meta from other games and has little substance from this game. I would address things you said if I thought it would be productive, but it seems to me just arguing about interpretation that has little use except clogging up the thread and making it more confusing for everyone else to read.

I'm pretty sure Hika townread you in this thread recently...

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura-sama why don't you think b1rd is scum D:

Sakura wrote:

As per my pairings post, i had abraker as 100% scum while B1rd as 50% scum, that may change given these new possibilities.

Hika wrote:

Ya but two of u scummy fucks aren't deserving of your win anyways so :u

Hika wrote:

Town me is.

Hika wrote:

ok let's watch you flip then

beeboy123 wrote:

Vote: Abraker