Also I did attempt to read the thread a little however. My townread is bboy, mainly bc I wouldn't think scum would self hammer like that. He could be really using that AtE though. I personally think this is one of the hardest games I've ever been in. I think it's because we're all trying too hard to read with meta when we should really just be looking at everyone's reads from the previous days.
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self vote * not self hammer.
I did, but somewhere in the middle there was closing box that didn't show on the new forum's preview and now we have this messSakura wrote:
Why not put all those quotes into a spoilerbox by using[box=Stuff][/box]
sigh
Is it just because rEdo died that we are gonna give up on the rEdo lynch?
It's an obvious AtE, he is literally copying the tactic from the thread Sakura linked about self-votes and AtEs.Hika wrote:
Also I did attempt to read the thread a little however. My townread is bboy, mainly bc I wouldn't think scum would self hammer like that. He could be really using that AtE though. I personally think this is one of the hardest games I've ever been in. I think it's because we're all trying too hard to read with meta when we should really just be looking at everyone's reads from the previous days.
or no scum have piled on considering that you are scum, especially since how hard you're pushing me and you have yet to give and good reasons why I'm scum except for the fact I'm pushing you.beeboy123 wrote:
I still think b1rd is scum it is the only thing that makes sense given how aggressively I have been pushed by Sakura and B1rd this game to not have any scum pile on as well.
I just can't figure out who is partner would be which is why i want to think this through a bit more.
I think beeboy is scum, and it's very likely that Frosty is his scum partner considering how much they've been cooperating. rEdo mentioned this as well.
beeboy lynchB1rd wrote:
Is it just because rEdo died that we are gonna give up on the rEdo lynch?
I guess a lot of us have been hit by Apathy.
who's Apathy?
I for one, feel tired, very tired, i feel like my game solving attempts led me nowhere and now i have a hard time believing bee's scum because he wouldn't attack me the way he did if he didn't genuinely think i was scum.
Topic Starter
A fun game is hard? Or a hard game is fun?
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Frostings is V/LA until March 1th.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
Votecount 3.3
No Lynch [1] - Frostings (L-2)
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika, Sakura, beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
No Lynch [1] - Frostings (L-2)
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika, Sakura, beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Frostings is V/LA until March 1th.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
Once upon a time...
Alright, read all of the bboy/Sakura interaction and there's not much to say except seeing Sakura burn out :p
I wanna see frosty post a lil so I can come up with a game plan.
I wanna see frosty post a lil so I can come up with a game plan.
He's V/LA atm
yeah I totally forgot but I am willing to wait!
Everything is so much to go through dammit
Dunno, i wish we hadnt lynched Jess yesterday, but with her it's like impossible to know.
I'm gonna go back to the way i was and never join games with her again.
I'm gonna go back to the way i was and never join games with her again.
Can we consider our current situation for a moment? If beeboy wasn't scum then it doesn't make any sense that everyone else is either apathetic or against a beeboy lynch. It would only makes sense that if he weren't scum the actual scum would be trying to push a bandwagon to win.
It's easy to play capt. hindsight, but I did want to lynch bee yesterday when he was a hair's breadth away; I'm not apathetic but rather I'm annoyed that he somehow managed to convince other people with his weak AtE arguments that contain about as little substance as all the rest of his play.
It's easy to play capt. hindsight, but I did want to lynch bee yesterday when he was a hair's breadth away; I'm not apathetic but rather I'm annoyed that he somehow managed to convince other people with his weak AtE arguments that contain about as little substance as all the rest of his play.
My reasoning for bee probs town is as such:
If bee scum literally abused knowledge of all my weaknesses to attack me that he gathered due to him being a friend of mine and me opening up to him.
I'm literally gonna grill him alive irl.
So i guess its mostly wishful thinking i guess.
If bee scum literally abused knowledge of all my weaknesses to attack me that he gathered due to him being a friend of mine and me opening up to him.
I'm literally gonna grill him alive irl.
So i guess its mostly wishful thinking i guess.
I think the answer is somewhere in here but i have trouble figuring it out.Sakura wrote:
rEdo's reads at end of D1 according to this list
Scumread: Dawnsday
Can't read: Sakura, abraker, Jess, Hika
Townreads: beeboy, FrostyEoD1 Lynch:*scratches head*
On the wagon: abraker, Frosty, rEdo, Hika, Jess
Off the wagon: beeboy, Dawnsday, Sakura, B1rd
A shot on rEdo when he was townreading bee and Frosty, so at the very least that makes those 2 more unlikely to be scum.
OTOH: rEdo was on the wagon, what does scum gain by shooting off someone on the wagon after i had said that if dawns flipped town someone on the wagon had to be scum? Attempt at discredit or protection? hmm
Note 1: beeboy was most townread D1, but scum would be prepared for the possibility of a Doctor Protect.
Note 2: if abraker's scum, then the above doesnt make sense since abraker misread the setup. Same with Hika (faked?).
In an entirely objective data oriented only way.
both bee and frosty were townread at the end of D1.
Beeboy + Frosty (cannot be scum together) | It doesnt make sense for this scumteam compositon to shoot whoever's townreading them.
Possibilities:
Beeboy+B1rd (Doesnt make sense both were off wagon on D1).
Beeboy+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Beeboy+abraker (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
abraker+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+B1rd (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+Frosty (This would be a long con busing if it was true, so probably not)
Hika+Frosty (Interactions on D2 dont make sense if they are scum together)
Leaving us with the possibilities of:
Beeboy/Hika, Beeboy/Abraker, Abraker/Hika, Abraker/B1rd.
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
I already talked about Beeboy.
Vote: Abraker
both bee and frosty were townread at the end of D1.
Beeboy + Frosty (cannot be scum together) | It doesnt make sense for this scumteam compositon to shoot whoever's townreading them.
Possibilities:
Beeboy+B1rd (Doesnt make sense both were off wagon on D1).
Beeboy+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Beeboy+abraker (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
abraker+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+B1rd (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+Frosty (This would be a long con busing if it was true, so probably not)
Hika+Frosty (Interactions on D2 dont make sense if they are scum together)
Leaving us with the possibilities of:
Beeboy/Hika, Beeboy/Abraker, Abraker/Hika, Abraker/B1rd.
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
I already talked about Beeboy.
Vote: Abraker
rEdo
If you couldn't figure that out, you must be playing dumb
had to eliminated because it creates less uncertainty among the townies. As a mafia, would you rather have a confirmed townie, and 5 others who nobody knows who has what role, or 6 people who don't know who has what role? Keep in mind the mafia already know who is who. All special roles are eliminated. NK'ing rEdo was a no brainer, regardless of bandwagon.Sakura wrote:
OTOH: rEdo was on the wagon, what does scum gain by shooting off someone on the wagon after i had said that if dawns flipped town someone on the wagon had to be scum? Attempt at discredit or protection? hmm
If you couldn't figure that out, you must be playing dumb
or wait.. was that a D3 text or D2? I forgot where that was.
If that's a D2 text, then I misinterpreted and thought you were talking about the 2nd shot rEdo received.
That was from N1.abraker wrote:
rEdohad to eliminated because it creates less uncertainty among the townies. As a mafia, would you rather have a confirmed townie, and 5 others who nobody knows who has what role, or 6 people who don't know who has what role? Keep in mind the mafia already know who is who. All special roles are eliminated. NK'ing rEdo was a no brainer, regardless of bandwagon.Sakura wrote:
OTOH: rEdo was on the wagon, what does scum gain by shooting off someone on the wagon after i had said that if dawns flipped town someone on the wagon had to be scum? Attempt at discredit or protection? hmm
If you couldn't figure that out, you must be playing dumb
Obviously the N2 kill is a no brainer, im talking specifically about the first shot on rEdo (him dying N2, makes it 100% certain he was shot N1, as opposed to no kill gambit).
Funny how I was suspecting that all along, is it not?Sakura wrote:
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
You are still defebding Frosty much. I say we vote Frostings and watch Sakura break down. If he is town then I am mafia, if not Sakura is next.
Funny how you say that in MyLo.abraker wrote:
Funny how I was suspecting that all along, is it not?Sakura wrote:
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
You are still defebding Frosty much. I say we vote Frostings and watch Sakura break down. If he is town then I am mafia, if not Sakura is next.
I mean srsly dude, if Frosty and I were scum we'd have already won.
Oh wait nvm, b1rd's vote on bee came later than i remembered.
The NK on day 1 really isn't a foolproof indicator who scum is IMO, reads day 1 are very prone to changing and probably half of the day 1 reads have changed already. I still think it's beeboy + Frosty because it's clear that they have been helping each other later in the game and they are both not my townreads. Sorry but there's no way I'm going to vote abraker, your logic isn't particularly convincing, abraker is neutral to me and there's no way I'm going to take a chance like that at MyLo when I already have a strong scum read.Sakura wrote:
In an entirely objective data oriented only way.
both bee and frosty were townread at the end of D1.
Beeboy + Frosty (cannot be scum together) | It doesnt make sense for this scumteam compositon to shoot whoever's townreading them.
Possibilities:
Beeboy+B1rd (Doesnt make sense both were off wagon on D1).
Beeboy+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Beeboy+abraker (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
abraker+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+B1rd (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+Frosty (This would be a long con busing if it was true, so probably not)
Hika+Frosty (Interactions on D2 dont make sense if they are scum together)
Leaving us with the possibilities of:
Beeboy/Hika, Beeboy/Abraker, Abraker/Hika, Abraker/B1rd.
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
I already talked about Beeboy.
Vote: Abraker
Also if it makes any difference I was pretty much on the Dawnsday wagon on D1, but I just came into the thread too late and didn't want to hammer.
Let me think about the odds of the scum team being b1rd and abraker for a bit.
Or maybe b1rd is just town and scum hika/abraker didn't feel comfortable pushing me but idk that seems unlikely.
I still don't think Sakura would try and use AtE like that as scum so I am still going to assume it's genuine.
I still think Frosty is town.
Or maybe b1rd is just town and scum hika/abraker didn't feel comfortable pushing me but idk that seems unlikely.
I still don't think Sakura would try and use AtE like that as scum so I am still going to assume it's genuine.
I still think Frosty is town.
Dunno, if you and your scum partner are being townread by X do you shoot him?
If you think it's possible that beeboy and Frosty would decide to shoot the person townreading BOTH of them, walk me through the scum thought process or motivations behind such action.
I'd kill Sakura n1 as scum tbh.
Her gut reads are too scary.
Her gut reads are too scary.
Unless you and Sakura are scum this makes for a convincing townie read tbhbeeboy123 wrote:
I'd kill Sakura n1 as scum tbh.
Her gut reads are too scary.
Dammit that is also assuming that Sakura is scum. BBoy + X wouldn't confirm the town read
*scratches head*
*scratches head*
One of my main aspects of my scum game is that im way too worried about being consistent that sometimes i overcompensate for it, also as scum im way more appeasy. As town my reads tend to flip 180 randomly.