Renumi wrote:

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MomoHD wrote:

You know, this map really shouldn't be pushed for rank, Gus. This map is simply unfit for the ranking system and you know it. It doesn't even contain 1/8th corner stream jumps. It also doesn't even contain 1/32 single tap jumps. Please delete this map set and delete your account immediately.

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AyanokoRin wrote:

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Hakai

00:09:211 (1,2) - I don’t get the sudden rhythm change here since you’re mapping the guitar + the sound that adds there but at 00:11:497 (1,2,3) you go back to before’s structure different rhythm different structure right

00:34:783 (3,4,5) - y u red tick slider here, I’d do something like this to get back to white ticks cause red tick sliders play weird rhythmically speaking, also by doing this you get a clickable object on downbeat which is something you want here considering there’s no clear emphasis on somewhere near ( that would justify it being emphasised over the downbeat ) fixd II think

00:36:069 (4) - why is there a circle here ? The voice is held since 00:35:926 (3) and same for the guitar, and I don’t see why you’d be following drums since you went for guitar/voice during the rest of that part. Plus the presence of a circle makes the transition into the next measure kind awkward cause 00:36:211 (5) is a red tick slider and you also end up with 00:36:497 (6) being mapped neither on vocals nor guitar like before I think fixed?

00:46:927 (2) - I’m not a big fan of how it flows with 00:46:641 (8,9,1) tbh The song gets messy as does the flow imo

00:48:069 (1,2,3,4) - why is this part calmer than before ? It’s the same kind of phrase so I dunno why your rhythm is less dense here I don't want it to play the exact same here tbh, kind of want to separate it from the earlier part

00:49:497 (2) - since you’re following the screamo this should really be 2 circles I think I don't see it

01:00:640 (1) - your slidertick sound is really loud here, dunno if it’s intentional ? im not sure why its so loud honestly but I kind of like it LOLAlso why is this slider that long vocals! it ends on a vocal, but thats intentional ? Lastly, the curve could be better, and it becomes visible when you see how it’s blanketed around 01:00:069 (5) like this

01:02:926 (1) - stack on 01:01:783 (1) fixd ty

01:04:641 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - again, why is the structure different when the part of the song is the same ? Especially with the spacing ; 00:37:783 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1) - is high spacing while 01:05:211 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) is low… I’m fine with both if that’s how you interpret song’s intensity, but be consistent. 01:05:211 (1) - the drums become audibly louder here (from what I hear)and I view this as sort of a decrease in intensity. Like I've told you, I think the song works best if mapped in stages, and tthe spacing change there is because I feel like it's the "end of a stage" so the intensity should be lowered

01:07:783 (2) - what is this mapped to ? Probably the guitar, but then why didn’t you map the other notes at 01:08:069 - 01:08:211 - etc ? Yeah. The sliders are what I interpret to be held sounds (if you listen, the guitar persists almost throughout the whole sliders 01:08:926 (3,6,9) - etc

01:10:926 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - this is as spaced as 00:37:783 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) which was the climax of its own phrase, consider nerfing it

01:20:069 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - this is arguably more intense than 01:15:497 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) or the other one before, so I’d suggest making it stand out through different spacing fixed all. finally decided to make the map more consistently spaced here.

01:26:354 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - nothing wrong with this when considered alone, however I think it’s gonna pose problems in more intense sections later in the song ( mostly your kiais I guess ) since to show them more intense through spacing you’ll have to make cross-screen jumps or something, and you might end up with something rather forced, so i’d nerf those last jumps especially since those are pretty much the root of the problem if you consider it mapped in sections, I don't see it posing any such issues.

01:28:640 (1,2) - same thing as 01:24:069 (1,2,3,4) ( even the same notes ), so why is rhythm different ? a little variation never hurts

01:30:354 (5) - fine as it is, however I would consider making this a slider to fill in the gap at 01:30:497 ( but again, it’s fine without this as well ) I like the pause. the vocals pause too

01:32:069 - back at it again with making the downbeat non-clickable :< also, this flows weirdly because 01:32:211 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) is not in the direction that is implied by 01:31:926 (5)’s shape fixed

01:36:640 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is nearly not as spaced as the similar part from before, yet I can hear the guitar following the vocals even more here, giving it even more intensity [/color] it follows the guitar's decrease in pitch

01:42:354 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - bruh c’mon, the kicks are doubling and you do such a low spacing stream ? theres a long pause.. I want to keep playability and fun in mind with this map and rank it if possible. You're absolutely right here, but the way I see it, this stream kind of leads into the more spaced one right after it. this is how i've set up almost every stream in the map, starting low spacing, tuning it up

02:05:211 (1) - might just be me but I don’t think this looks really good

02:06:354 (1,2,3,4) - triple is at 02:06:569, not there fixd

02:37:211 and all the phrase - same consistency mistakes as before, not gonna repeat them cause it would be rather redundant I uhh.. left most things from earlier alone here

03:00:069 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - why such a low spacing compared to the similar part before ? before part is now low spacing :^)

03:23:069 (1) - I don’t get what exactly this spinner ends on ? I’d suggest ending it at 03:25:362 since it’s where the voice stops fixed

04:11:844 (1) - bruh this completely kills the intensity :< I think it helps build it with suspense, maybe thats just me trying too hard tto be artsy lol

04:20:130 (5) - why put a kickslider there ? I don’t hear any sound that calls for it ( but I might be wrong ) the sounds are the strongest out of everything so I wanted to emphasize differently.

04:53:059 (1) - 01:22:354 (1,2,3,4,5,6) had stuff on there, why put a spinner ? becaause of the complicated timiinig change. Players would HURT if I had mapped that paart, which I easily could copy/paste, but it's for playability sake

05:13:000 (1,3) - what are those snapped to ? I mean 05:13:857 (3)’s head is fine but what about the rest ? ghosted a little? I'm not sure if this is an unrankable issue here.

05:54:630 (8) - If you wanted to change direction on the voice, it’s at 05:54:558 (7) ( generally speaking, don’t change direction on blue ticks unless there’s a distinguishable sound in the music that calls for it, because there’s a good chance you’re gonna end up with a direction change with nothing to justify its positioning ) actuallly the directional change here was kind of not intentional lul, it depends if its too much of a change

06:17:701 (5,1) - back at it again with red tick sliders DansGamefixed ALL

That’s all I have to say so far, I gotta say I’ll be keeping an eye at this map cause song is op and I wanna see it ranked

Good luck with pushing it :3

Renumi wrote:

tags :thinking:

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Xinying wrote:

Renumi wrote:

tags :thinking:

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he meant remove the "No" and "Wo" from tags, you don't need it there because they are already in the title (eg, Tags: Kuzu no Honkai, and Song: Uso no Hibana)

Hence metadata is this (song in question)

[Muchanzy] wrote:

noob mod inc

01:42:354 (1) - feels lika a kiai part should start here ye i agree

04:20:416 (8) - maybe make this slider 1 tick longer? ehh nah I dont want it to play like that

consider adding "Symphonic Black Metal" to tags cuz they will prolly just add "Rock" to the genre later on done

my shitty attempt

better than me

lilligantEX wrote:

nice map

02:00:926 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - this star's shape is a little weird use
02:12:069 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ^ same here
06:22:987 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^

just in general the stars have odd shapes, use ctrl+shift+D or rotation

[Nemesis] wrote:

Sup, doing a M4M.

Hakai

00:03:783 (2,4,6,1) - I don't really like how this look, aesthetically speaking. I'd much rather like if you made it into one straight line of circles eh, not sure its necessary really, plus I kind of like it
00:17:783 (9) - NC for better reading fixd thanks
00:19:497 (1,2,1) - a 1/4 gap and no gap has the same ds, this isn't really too good and breaks expectations from the players (equally spaced objects should corespond with their equal snapping on the timeline) the distance is so small that it really doesnt matter, kind of getting nitpicky here, I don't think it justifies a change
00:26:497 (1,2) - remove NC, add NC on (2) put it on the downbeat instead for consistency
00:47:783 (10,11,12,13,1) - this is where spacing should start to increase, however you only chose to increase it on the last three objects, why? his vocal gets much more tense on (13)
00:55:497 (4,5) - blanket these, you've been doing this numerous times before not necessary imo
01:11:497 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - increase spacing between these, the music is changing there yet it isn't reflected through ds changes
01:16:069 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - ^ I really don't hear many music changes, others have said there is a possible 1/6 there, I don't want to add a 1/6 rhythm though and cheesing it with spacing wouldnt be any better
02:15:497 (1,2,3) - equal spacings between these would be better, you have little to no change in music there what do you mean?
02:21:068 (7,8,1) - this should be a slider not sure about that I literally only use circles in this section and my current emphasis works
02:50:640 (3,1) - double blanket there would look really neat changed
03:11:783 (2) - a triple fits better with the bgm
03:16:354 (2) - ^ i dont think so, i've simplified triples into sliders all of the map so its not like its coming from nowhere either, im mapping to vocals here
03:16:354 (2,1) - stack these btw What why lol
03:34:924 - this should be mapped imo I think its so beautiful and I want players to hear it from a break and then jump back into the rhythm once they've listened to it for a bit, I could map tho if need be
04:53:059 - again, I know it's pretty hard to emphasize but the spinner feels like a lazy way to fill in the rhythm theres an offset change here I cant work my way around that without throwing some playability out the door
05:28:422 - this point onwards is freaking gorgeous, I suggest you put the preview point here preference
05:38:130 (1,2,3) - same problem as before with the spacing inconsistencies Yeah the spacing is very clearly inconsistent here I like how it plays though
05:51:987 (1,2,3) - idk, a straight line would fit in a bit better nitpicky
06:03:844 (7,8,9,1,2,3) - either equal spacings or if you prefer to go by vocals intensity, bigger sv on the second slider not sure theres been an SV change in this entire map lmao it would be out of place also why equal spacings???

All from me, good map and good song.

Touhou wrote:

SPOILER

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23:15 Touhou: 05:28:987 (1) -
23:15 Touhou: I feel like this part onwards
23:15 Touhou: is a bit too intense
23:15 Touhou: maybe reduce spacing ?
23:16 Touhou: try to make the stream follow the vocals?
23:16 Touhou: 05:28:987 (1) - kaaaaa
23:16 Touhou: 05:29:415 (3) - naaaaaa
23:16 Touhou: 05:29:844 (9) - eeeeeen
23:16 Touhou: make the stream change shape during those long vocal parts
23:16 Touhou: or something
23:16 Touhou: that reflects the music a lot better
23:17 Touhou: 05:34:844 (2) - this sound needs clap mate
23:17 Touhou: it's the snare
23:17 Gus: alright ill make a note and play around with that
23:17 Touhou: clap = stick sound in the song
23:17 Touhou: 05:33:558 (1) - finish, not clap
23:17 Touhou: 05:33:702 (2) - clap
23:17 Touhou: 05:33:986 (5) - clap
23:17 Touhou: sometimes clap is on red ticks instead of white
23:17 Touhou: in this section it's the case
23:18 Gus: fixed those
23:18 Gus: thanks
23:18 Touhou: thing is
23:18 Gus: ill update when I fix the stream
23:19 Touhou: fixing hitsounds is like super time cunsoming
23:19 Touhou: I usually do finishes first
23:19 Touhou: then claps
23:19 Touhou: then whistles
23:19 Touhou: so I need to listen to it three times
23:19 Touhou: 00:43:211 (6) - claps
23:20 Gus: for just (6)?
23:20 Gus: or should all the whistles be claps
23:20 Touhou: use 0% effect volume
23:20 Touhou: try to find the same sound
23:20 Touhou: if you find it
23:20 Touhou: use clap
23:21 Touhou: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zde7bb1vBKA
23:21 Touhou: watch this
23:21 Touhou: it's a different song
23:21 Touhou: but you can get the idea for what sounds to look for
23:21 Touhou: I will give you " cheat sheet " in a second
23:23 Gus: oh I see
23:23 Gus: what sound exactly should the whistle follow here though?
23:24 Gus: I see the finish and the clap
23:26 Touhou: finished
23:27 Touhou: http://puu.sh/wEStS/ba3bc9887c.jpg
23:27 Touhou: paint ftw
23:28 Touhou: for the yellow writing I made a mistake it's like this:
23:28 Touhou: sampleset: AUTOOOOO not normal
23:28 Touhou: addition: DRUM
23:28 Touhou: enjoy hitsounds like mine
23:29 Touhou: if you use this technique
23:31 Touhou: fix the entire song with proper hitsounding
23:31 Touhou: after you've done that, I'll get in contact with BN and maakkeli xd
23:32 Touhou: 01:27:069 (6) - those are all claps btw
23:32 Touhou: 01:27:354 (8) - etc
23:32 Touhou: all red ticks here
23:33 Gus: holy
23:33 Gus: thank you dude
23:34 Touhou: np
23:34 Gus: this cheat sheet is great
23:34 Touhou: hitsounding with touhou
23:34 Touhou: lul
23:35 Gus: how wrong is my current hitsounding
23:35 Touhou: ehhhh
23:35 Touhou: it was good enough to let me play it properly
23:35 Touhou: but not good enough for ranking
23:35 Touhou: do a backup
23:35 Touhou: then "rehitsound"
23:36 Touhou: save a copy of your current version somewhere
23:36 Touhou: or just rename diff to "old hitsounds"

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23:36 Touhou: btw every drum set is SLIGHTLY different
23:37 Touhou: the clap (snare) is the base of everything, it's mostly inbetween the legs
23:37 Touhou: the toms are over it (drum - clap and drum - finish )
23:37 Touhou: the whistle is super close to the snare (clap)
23:37 Touhou: and the finishes are randomly inbetween or somewhere further away
23:38 Touhou: there are quite a few different versions of finishes, some are "crash" cymbals and others are "splash" cymbals
23:38 Touhou: but you should not worry about that

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00:03 Touhou: ok let me try
00:03 Touhou: to mod
00:03 *Touhou is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1152956 Imperial Circus Dead Decadence - Gekiai no Yobigoe ga Dekiai no Kyougoe wo Kurau [Hakai]]
00:04 Touhou: check the first combo
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00:04 Touhou: that's the proper rhythm of the guitars
00:04 Touhou: every circle I placed here should have emphasis
00:04 Touhou: (the circles only represent the basic rhythm, not the drum filling stuff)
00:04 Touhou: what you should do
00:05 Touhou: is set emphasis to this by spacing and angles
00:05 Touhou: parts that are intense need more emphasis
00:05 Touhou: so basically, I would reduce the overall spacing in this section and ONLY have jumps during the parts where the melody / guitar really stands out
00:06 Touhou: that way you get contrast and depth
00:06 Gus: yeah alright
00:07 Gus: I had something like that earlier but
00:07 Gus: it didnt end up playing too well
00:08 Touhou: 00:02:354 (1) - this part here
00:09 Touhou: it sounds like a big DOOOOOH
00:09 Touhou: extended sound, use slider
00:09 Touhou: 00:02:640 (3) - slider end is too loud, no slider here
00:09 Touhou: make it like this
00:10 Touhou: http://puu.sh/wEU9V/de70299425.jpg
00:10 Touhou: since this would be too boring
00:10 Touhou: 00:03:211 - replace the last slider by 2 circles
00:10 Touhou: that way you get more impact on the next slider
00:10 Touhou: and challenge the player a bit more
00:11 Touhou: since it's a held sound though, I would stack those circles
00:11 Gus: alright, youll be posting this on forum too right?
00:11 Touhou: so basically this http://puu.sh/wEUcS/235d60a1c3.jpg
00:11 Gus: bc im slow at modding IRC
00:11 Touhou: but with stacked 5 and 6
removed some stuff
00:12 Touhou: Instead of focusing on "fix this pattern"
00:12 Touhou: I try to give you a general idea on what you should work on
00:12 Touhou: 1.) focus on the vocals -> melody -> instruments
00:12 Touhou: 2.) set emphasis
00:12 Touhou: 3.) use proper object for the rhythm
00:13 Touhou: 01:42:354 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) -
00:13 Touhou: about this part
00:13 Touhou: follow the vocals with the streams
00:13 Touhou: every syllable should be represented in a way in your streams
00:13 Touhou: the easiest way would be changing shapes / direction of aim
00:13 Touhou: PLEASE don't do stream jumps
00:14 Touhou: 01:46:926 (1,2,3) - about this
00:14 Touhou: I would reduce the sliders, ending on red
00:14 Touhou: and adding a circle
00:15 Gus: ooh you're right
00:15 Touhou: http://puu.sh/wEUoM/b096f5052a.jpg
00:15 Touhou: something like this
00:15 Touhou: the triplet has vocals too
00:15 Touhou: but using too many sliders in a row is boring
00:15 Touhou: and the drums offer a triplet
00:15 Gus: yeah I dig it
00:15 Touhou: so map that instead
00:15 Gus: I will
00:16 Touhou: 01:47:283 - add circle here btw
00:16 Touhou: didn't hear it before
00:16 Touhou: 01:47:711 - don't add a circle here
00:16 Touhou: it would lose the vocal emphasis if you do
00:17 Touhou: the drum has a sound here, yes, but it's too confusing and not matching the vocals
00:17 Gus: on blue ticks?
00:17 Touhou: yeah
00:17 Touhou: slow it down to 25 % speed
00:17 Touhou: and use 0% effect volume
00:17 Touhou: to spot the triplets properly
00:18 Touhou: same applies for this part aswell 01:48:069 (1) -
00:18 Touhou: shorten some sliders, and replace some by circles maybe
00:18 Touhou: 01:49:211 (1) - replace by circles entirely
00:18 Touhou: make them emphasis the vocals though
00:18 Touhou: the vocals are fading out, so the spacing should be decreased
00:19 Touhou: or atleast similar spacing
00:19 Gus: I see yeah
00:19 Touhou: 01:58:354 (1,2,3) - I would use a slider here
00:19 Touhou: very long sound
00:19 Touhou: so a 1/1 slider
00:19 Touhou: I know there is a snare inbetween the slider
00:20 Touhou: but the guitar is pretty dominant
00:20 Touhou: 02:11:640 (2,3,4) - doesn't really fit
00:20 Touhou: instead focus on the background melody and do 2 sliders
00:21 Touhou: basically this
00:21 Touhou: http://puu.sh/wEUER/ec73e7b85f.jpg
00:21 Gus: 02:11:640 (2) - starting here?
00:21 Touhou: starting on white tick
00:22 Touhou: ORRRRR you make it one large slider ending on the red tick
00:22 Touhou: before the new combo
00:22 Touhou: I prefer the larger slider actually
00:22 Touhou: it covers the entire sound of the guitar
00:23 Touhou: http://puu.sh/wEUJi/6bd67efa34.jpg
00:23 Gus: hm ill play around
00:23 Touhou: works best
00:23 Touhou: remember, it's about setting emphasis
00:23 Touhou: if you use circles and jumps everywhere
00:23 Touhou: the map becomes boring
00:24 Gus: yeah of course
00:24 Gus: finally a good mod LOl
00:24 Touhou: really?
00:24 Touhou: be honest
00:24 Gus: yes I'm going to change quite a bit


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TL;DR

Playtest and Mod about Hitsounds while explaining drums in general.
Also explained the importance of proper emphasis.

Poke me after you've fixed what we talked about and I'll mod it further.
Take this Star and GL!

Neoskylove wrote:

Q

[fg]
00:08:211 - Beat is in here. yeah, I know, but I use similar sliders here: 00:03:497 (1), 00:09:211 (1), 00:12:640 (1), etc. to emphasize the fact that the rhythm is shifting slightly (e.g. change in guitar, adding of instrument) and give more power to the next section.
00:08:783 (4,5,6,1) - stack? nah, this is another thing I've established here: 00:13:783 (1,3), 00:00:069 (1,3), 00:04:640 (1,3), 00:06:926 (1,3), and throughout the map in some places, I like how this looks/plays
00:36:069 (5,6,9) - try to avoid overlap. I think it's okay here because its aesthetically solid and plays just fine
02:44:640 (5,6,7,8,1) - looks hard to play. i dont think its much harder to play than other patterns like that, but if any testplayers point it out, I'll change it... I haven't had problems there yet.
04:36:987 - ~04:39:273 - ? why you didn't add beats at this part. I personally think a pause is more fitting for the change in intensity.

GL

tatatat wrote:

Hey Gus! I heard you asked for a BN check in #modreqs, sorry I'm not a BN. but I'll help you make sure your map is rankable though.
umm, I noticed immediately upon running AI mod that some of your objects aren't snapped(CTRL+SHIFT+A brings up AIMod), all objects must be snapped.
Please consider changing combo color 2, it blends in with the vine thingy in the background. See 00:01:211 - for an example.
Also not really against the ranking criteria, I just noticed that your background image is a .png, yet I can clearly see artifacts from .jpg compression.

TVim wrote:

02:16:640 -
Should it be like this?

1. 03:59:033 and 05:12:987 are both unsnapped.

Mir wrote:

hi there
[General]
Unused hitsounds:
drum-hitclap.wav

Green line conflicts:
03:34:924 - (custom set number)
04:02:702 - (volume level) (hitsound set)

1. 03:59:033 and 05:12:987 are both unsnapped.

Possibly off-screen objects:
00:24:069 (1)
06:20:415 (1)
[Hakai]
- 00:00:783 (5) - Not a fan of how this triple was skipped the song and map are pretty hardcore so ignoring beats like this is kinda off for me. What's more is there's a stronger beat on the end of the slider than the start which putting a triple on would fix. (guitar and drum both spike on white) I want to keep a similar structure throughout the beginning and there are not many other triples until 8s in
- 00:04:069 (3,4,2) - Keeping distance somewhat similar with all these objects would make this pattern look more polished. Highlighted note is (2).
- 00:05:783 (1,3,5) - Making a triangle out of these would be nice too - it doesn't have to be perfect but this one is quite clearly off lol. tried to change in a diff way
- 00:08:783 (4,5,6,1) - Should be stacked? was messing around with aesthetic and decided I dont want it stacked and i've since added a lot more patterns like it
- 00:10:354 (1,2,3,4) - If you're trying to follow the strings doing a rhythm like this would make them nice and clickable. in the way im doing it im actually treating the guitar like hold sounds. I kind of prefer this way for some reason?
- 00:11:783 (2) - Has a lot of emphasis but isn't really differentiated. Could be a different slidershape or just circles. diff slidershape would break pattern and structure th0
- 00:13:783 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - Same thing with rhythm about the guitar/strings, would be better to do a combination of white/red/red/white because that's how they are in the song. Ideally these notes would be clickable if you were following the guitar/strings as close as possible. It's funny cuz 00:25:926 (6,7,1,2) - the sliders here are all covering the beats that would otherwise be clickable so you only get one out of both in focus lol. These kinds of rhythm issues repeat throughout this section so I won't mention any more. again im fairly confident in the rhythm I chose for this section, I like it a lot
- 00:18:283 - I thought a duck quacked here but then realized it was the singer screaming o.O
- 00:43:211 (6,7) - Would be nice to have these guitars stand out a bit more, in terms of a flow change or spacing increase - something to make them more noticeable.
- 00:41:926 (5,6,7,3) - Overlaps like these are better avoided imo.
- 00:47:497 (9) - NC these changes in spacing cuz of the vocal?
- 00:52:069 (5) - Incorrect snapping. Should be this - there is no vocal or drum on the blue.
- 01:01:783 (1,1) - Remove the second NC? Not sure why it's needed.
- 01:03:640 (7,8,9) - Looks very random, no symmetry/parallelity or anything here - try to use some to make a nicer pattern?
- 01:07:497 (1) - Could use more emphasis imo.
- 01:22:354 (1,2,3,4,5) - Could polish this star too..
- 01:28:069 (5) - NCing here might work to show the change in guitar, but a flow change would still bring it out a lot more.
- 01:28:926 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - A lot of these jumps look quite random without very much patterning put into them.. personal thing I don't really like about a lot of jumps in the map.
- 01:58:354 (1) - This would look a lot nicer imo.
- 02:02:783 (1) - Downbeat on slider end. :/ Strong sound here too. want to emphasize guitar
- 02:10:211 (3,4) - Patterning/structure would improve if you blanketed 3 with 4 like this. changed in a slightly diff way
- 02:12:069 (1) - Emphasis is quite lacking on this note imo.
- 02:11:640 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Yeah a lot of this doesn't really seem like it's patterned it's kinda just there to hit you know. You could do flow changes on every downbeat and make a new pattern to keep it interesting but just plain jumps is kinda boring imo. Applies for the whole kiai. Emphasizing jumps that have strong beats on them with flow changes/spacing increases/NCs are nice too like 02:25:211 (5) - 02:26:354 (6) - etc

fixed that part but am keeping the kiai bc I still feel like its a good reflection of the music, its pretty constant in this kiai
- 03:40:736 (6,1) - I think 1 should have the finish, not 6? I kinda disagree with finishes as a whole here, just whistles would be fine on these notes. the finish is right on 6
- 03:58:933 (1) - Ends on 03:59:183 - it seems.
- 04:09:559 (1,6) - Another overlap that doesn't really help the pattern, more hurts it cuz it doesn't really overlap consistently like this anywhere else and looks out of place. I really like how this one looks lol
- 04:14:130 (1,2,3,1) - This getting so much easier is kinda ??? when the guitar is building up then down. I would suggest turning the first into a stream and the second and third into reverses.
- 04:25:344 (14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This direction changing doesn't really make sense to me, it just looks like you ran out of space lol. You could change direction on 04:25:559 (1) - to emphasize the finish? im a huge fan of how this stream looks and plays; yeah, there is no direction change there on 1, I put one every 5 notes after.. 04:23:273 (1) - its kind of like here, where the spacing is the emphasis as opposed to a curve
- 05:01:572 (1,2,3) - Equal visual spacing would be nice.
- 05:01:000 (5) - Could be a slider since this gap feels kinda awkward especially when there's a snare here. eh, I prefer the purely vocal emphasis for this part
- 05:05:572 (3) - Skips so much of the song when before a lot of this was mapped before like the point above and earlier in the map. Would recommend swapping focus to drums again on 05:05:857 - instead of 05:06:143 to alleviate this. So this would be okay. again with the vocal emphasis, just what I prefer for this part of the song
- 05:36:987 (1,2,3,4,5) - There's a whole drum stream that's just ignored here I think the guitar is stronger than the drums by miles and so it should be emphasized with jumps imo, plus the stream would be somewhat out of place.
- 05:48:844 (2,3) - Overlap isn't very even so ends up hurting more than helping the aesthetic here, would recommend not overlapping here.
- 05:55:844 (9,10) - 1/4 reverses to keep the intensity high would work quite well here imo. Same for 05:57:558 (1,2,3) - and so on. I like the 1/2 slider emphasis more
- 06:02:701 (6,7,8,3,4,5) - Oww this overlapping is quite unpleasing, try to space it out?
- 06:05:701 (2,5) - Blanket possibly? if you're referring to slider 5, nah, i like the spacing there, if you're referring to a note, I did blanket a note there since last update??? lol
- 06:06:487 - There's a drum note here that's skipped? not going to emphasize it, 4 note stream would play odd and I like the guitar emphasis here
- 06:09:558 (9,10) - This drop in intensity after such a high spaced stream is very sudden and imo unrepresentative of what the song is doing. I would personally continue mapping the stream with direction changes/spacing emphasis until 06:09:844 - where it stops and do something unique with this slider instead so it stands out more.
- 06:16:415 (5,6,1) - Putting 1 in the same pattern like this makes it seem the same as 5,6 but it has way more emphasis so differentiating that would be nice. //06:20:987 (5,6,1) -
- 06:19:201 - Clearly skipped triple here that might be worth mapping. dont want to break rhythmic structure
- 06:27:272 (1) - No slider like 06:24:987 (1,1) - ? yeah, want to emphasize it more here before the end stream

Overall a lot of work needed overall before this can reach a rankable state. Patterning is quite basic and emphasis is hit-or-miss and a lot of overlaps are used unevenly/inconsistently and only serve to hurt the aesthetic rather than help it. A lot of unpolished/inconsistent overlaps with previous notes in the editor also exist such as 06:02:701 (6,7,8,3,4,5) - which, if removed, would make for a cleaner map.
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I hope this helped somewhat, good luck!

AJamez wrote:

the mod thing
woah what a gud map what a gud song i think it's gud for rank already but wait nibba i found some things lo and also i'll give suggestions if u dont mind welp im ready to see dem red texts after this mod

Hakai

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  00:04:069 (3,4) - haha yes u already know m8
  00:04:640 (1) - hmmm why not emphasize this more with bigger spacing since it has a kinna strong beat or smth it has all 3 hs idk mayb stack it with 00:03:497 (1) - or 00:04:926 (3) - just do the same like 00:06:926 (1,2,3) - just my suggestion tho and also not sure if 00:03:783 (2,2) - these are intended not to overlap as well its patterned to stack there yeah, plus the spacing reflects the very opening of the song at 00:00:069 (1,2,3) -
  00:09:926 (4,5,6,7) - the spacing here is completely underspaced not like 00:08:640 (3,4,5,6,7) - fits real well but this, the emphasis in this part is not really well spaced. hMmMM i'd suggest to 00:09:497 (2,7) - overlap these two perhaps and 00:09:926 (4,5,6) - just move these notes somewhere to make a triangle perhaps it looks better if it's not stacked with 00:10:640 (2) - anyway well imo cus the beat goes downward ye smth like this I honestly think its fine here as its the beginning of the map and I dont want players to have to jump into insane jumps at this point. Plus there are no vocals giving the music power here, so I think the spacing is fine
  00:09:783 (3,2,3) - ye align notes properly adujst the 3 (circle) a bit xdd fixd
  00:12:211 (4,5,6) - move these notes 1 grid downward idk it looks better if it's like beside 00:12:640 (1) - u know like a blancet :^) eh i think its fine as is
  00:13:211 (4,6,3) - hmm on this part i feel like u could nc these two to give emphasis u know welp just my suggestion ok im ignored LMAO I love this mod but yeah sorry about all the NC denying its just not what I want to do, to complicate with NCs.
  00:16:354 (5,9) - ye same here since the beat goes downward as well and i kinna hear different sounds why not nc these? and remove nc for 00:17:211 (1) - since i think it still has the same sound with 00:16:926 (9) -
  00:17:783 (10) - yes ik u ignored those two^ so ik 16 is fine for combo but i think it would look better if you'd nc this note here cus i hear new sound like what u did 00:46:926 (1) - right here uh I changed this to be consistent with 46s by NCing the 9th note
  00:19:426 (2,1) - i'd swap ncs for these two since 00:20:354 (2) - is the one that actually gives a new sound so nc 00:20:354 (2) - and remove nc for 00:20:640 (1) - and so that the number of combos (which is 8 i think) would be consistent because the guitar gives a different sound on 00:21:783 (1) - here and not 00:21:640 (8) - imo consistency between # of combos is unimportant I Think plus this works as is
  00:24:640 (5) - personal subjective opinion but i think this slider here doesnt fit tbh dE n I ed its on the rhythm i love it
  00:33:069 (8) - too high imo fixed
  00:33:497 (2,3,4) - the spacing here mmmm maybe balance it with 00:34:069 (6,7,8) - or stack with 00:34:640 (1) - its quite big imo ye just adjust ds a bit tnx ye u got it
  00:34:354 (1) - uhh whats with the nc here? u forgot to remove nc for 00:34:640 (1) - i guess or idk if intended lol good catch!
  00:36:211 (7) - heh nc? just another suggestion to be ignored downbeats tho
  00:41:211 (1) - hmm i dont see the reason to give this the nc i dont hear any new sound but i do hear a different sound 00:41:497 (3) - here so maybe switch them i think the slider deserves it more imo downbeatS
  00:42:926 (4) - why break the star pattern D: give this more spacing pls adjust ds to make gud star pattern uwu pls its patterned not in star form
  00:45:783 (1,3) - ye like what i mentioned above i do think the slider deserves it more because of the downbeat guitar sound
  00:52:354 - i really like the flow u did here it plays so gud ah thank u
  00:59:497 (1) - hmm remove the nc here and add nc 00:59:640 (9) - here the new vocal sound comes at this part also to keep combo consistency :> its not NC;d to the vocal part th0
  01:03:640 (7) - heh nc? just another suggestion to be ignored ncs on downbeats brother man
  01:13:782 (4) - object's end is not snapped via aimod lo just fix the timeline fixd i think
  01:23:211 (6) - i would prefer 2 circles insted cant with 1/3 rhythm
  01:30:640 (6,1) - swap nc 6 gives new sound but downbeats
  01:32:426 (6) - ^
  01:34:354 (1) - why the nc here? looks better without imo downbeats
  01:38:926 (1) - ^
  01:39:497 (10) - nc cus new sound and adjust the ds 01:39:783 (2) - here abit its quite close not like the others dont really see the logic here
  01:40:069 (1) - tbh i dont really think the nc here fits cus the vocal is still going imo remove it and add the nc 01:40:640 (11) - here cus this has the new sound eh but the drums kick in here and its downbeat.
  01:44:354 (3) - this could get more space imo since the stream gives a strong sound eh i like the spacing
  01:49:211 (1) - ye same here a while ago ^
  02:24:069 (1,2) - lol idk but i would continue the stream insted these sliders dont fit in tbh besides it's kiai anyway :^) i want to represent a change into 1/3 here
  02:53:211 (1) - lmao whats with the whistle on this sliderbody fixd
  03:22:997 (1) - lo is this slider intended not to be be silenced? that hs tho lo changed to whistles tbh
  03:59:309 - i think a spinner would suit here why not right finish it on blue tick for surprise :> ur right done
  04:08:130 (2) - eh mayb nc this and give larger spacing for next note nah the spacing reflects the time between the notes
  04:18:987 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - NC all? owo eh i dont see a point to that
  04:25:630 (2,3,4) - the spike here (if u know what i mean eh smth like 04:24:344 (16,1) - ) is not quite right since there's clap and all other hs 04:25:559 (1) - on this note it should change the pattern already for this particular stream I think it fits. I don't do shape changes on every downbeat.
  04:30:130 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - BEST PART OF THE WHOLE MAP BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII YE YE YE YE YE YE
  04:53:059 (1) - TBH this spinner doesnt suit in :< why not map this part insted the offset changes by a few ms here it'd be an acc rip if I were to map it
  06:05:701 (2,3,4) - uhh yes fix blanket with 06:06:130 (5) - blanket not intentional here
  06:10:130 (1) - unnecessary nc fix

that's alllllll really well maped i love it <3
GL for ranked~

Loli_Silica wrote:

I really like old verison more

05:36:987 (1,2,3,4) - the jump can follow 05:37:558 (5,6,7,8) the shape i like this jump as it is
06:10:415 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - make more space ye i went ahead and just remapped the ending bc i felt like it didnt represent the map anymore it was kinda outdated in terms of mapping lol
06:28:344 - strong fixd

1. That intro feels like it's been cut, is it supposed to be like this
2. 00:03:497 (1) - What's this extended slider following, doesn't fit to the drum mapping you're doing here
3. 00:09:354 - There's a drum here. Happens on a lot of other occasions like:
   02:07:449 - 02:25:711 -
4. 00:19:497 (1) - this is kinda ugly, and i don't mean the good kind
5. 01:22:926 (5,6) - Wrong snaps, rhythm's pretty complex here so better utilize sliders instead like this:
   
   SPOILER

   
6. 01:50:354 (1,2,3,4,5) - Stream should still go on here
7. 01:59:211 - After this, you shouldn't use too long sliders (>1/2 sliders) too follow the e-guitar since drums are pretty prominent here as well
8. 02:22:926 (5,6,7,8) - Unless you really want players to hate you, rotate the whole combo by 10° at least. 90 degree pure vertical/horizontal movement is kinda unnerving. Same goes for similar patterns that follow.
9. 02:34:925 (5,5) - Extended sliders would be better since it would make 02:34:640 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - this whole pattern more distinctable from the surrounding stuff
10. 03:14:497 (6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5) - this a whole stream too in the song actually
11. 05:11:286 (5) - wrong snap
12. 06:09:558 (1,2,3,4,5) - this streamspacing change is pretty overdone, where's the justification in the music for it
13. 06:30:130 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Same as above
14. Has potential, but many patterns you utilized still feel too simplistic and unrefined, thrown up and mixed together. An example are the 90° patterns like 04:57:000 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - that seem to pop up from time to time and force structure in the map while most of it doesn't seem to have remarkable patterns at all.
    I think training in knowing how and what types of patterns work together would be pretty helpful for you to improve this map.

Gus wrote:

Loli_Silica wrote:

I really like old verison more

05:36:987 (1,2,3,4) - the jump can follow 05:37:558 (5,6,7,8) the shape i like this jump as it is
06:10:415 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - make more space ye i went ahead and just remapped the ending bc i felt like it didnt represent the map anymore it was kinda outdated in terms of mapping lol
06:28:344 - strong fixd

thanks

sorry you preferred the old version D: if theres anything I can do to make this a lil more fun let me know
im trying my best to keep it fun and make it rankable

hopefully the new ending is good?

Pho wrote:

Yo, from my queue

[Hakai]

1. That intro feels like it's been cut, is it supposed to be like this unfortunately it is the intro to the song, it just jumps right in lol
2. 00:03:497 (1) - What's this extended slider following, doesn't fit to the drum mapping you're doing here
   
   so much like I did here 00:08:069 (1) - im using the extended slider to emphasize the change in rhythm that occurs exactly after the slider, in this case that part is the guitar rhythm here 00:03:783 (2,3,4) -
   
3. 00:09:354 - There's a drum here. Happens on a lot of other occasions like:
   02:07:449 - 02:25:711 - yeah, im choosing to ignore these. there are actually almost consistent 1/2 drums throughout the song and there are a LOT of triples I had to ignore. the rhythm, if I followed every instrument, would be very confusing and monotonous
4. 00:19:497 (1) - this is kinda ugly, and i don't mean the good kind i kinda like it tbh?
5. 01:22:926 (5,6) - Wrong snaps, rhythm's pretty complex here so better utilize sliders instead like this:
   
   SPOILER

   
   eh, you're right, but doing this upsets the playability and therefore I don't really want to do it. I don't think this is a necessary change since the rhythm, either way, follows 1/3, but what I have now just doesnt take clapped sounds into account which imo is ok
6. 01:50:354 (1,2,3,4,5) - Stream should still go on here eh, ignoring this stream sound bc I feel like the 1/2 sounds should be emphasized (lest I have a stream that changes shape every 2 notes lol)
7. 01:59:211 - After this, you shouldn't use too long sliders (>1/2 sliders) too follow the e-guitar since drums are pretty prominent here as well again, I feel like the longer sliders give an explosion of playing into 01:52:926 (2) - notes like this and for that reason I prefer them - this map would be pretty boring if it were just 1/2 sliders
8. 02:22:926 (5,6,7,8) - Unless you really want players to hate you, rotate the whole combo by 10° at least. 90 degree pure vertical/horizontal movement is kinda unnerving. Same goes for similar patterns that follow. the spacing is small enough to the point where it isnt that hard to play
9. 02:34:925 (5,5) - Extended sliders would be better since it would make 02:34:640 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - this whole pattern more distinctable from the surrounding stuff ye fixed
10. 03:14:497 (6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5) - this a whole stream too in the song actually same reasons
11. 05:11:286 (5) - wrong snap fixed
12. 06:09:558 (1,2,3,4,5) - this streamspacing change is pretty overdone, where's the justification in the music for it
13. 06:30:130 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Same as above just the fact that this is the climax of the song and the end that brings it all together leads me to believe that the stream spacing is justified
14. Has potential, but many patterns you utilized still feel too simplistic and unrefined, thrown up and mixed together. An example are the 90° patterns like 04:57:000 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - that seem to pop up from time to time and force structure in the map while most of it doesn't seem to have remarkable patterns at all.
    I think training in knowing how and what types of patterns work together would be pretty helpful for you to improve this map. I wish I knew what you meant by this...
    
    to me, it is a 6 minute song and all of the parts vary greatly from other parts in the song, so I think variability in patterning and using patterns that might not traditionally work together as ways to accentuate the differences in the music makes sense to me - for parts that are similar, im using similar patterns and similar spacing, but maybe not for parts that are different from each other, this makes sense to me... I dont know, thank you for the mod!

GL

Nega wrote:

You know, this map really shouldn't be pushed for rank, Gus. This map is simply unfit for the ranking system and you know it. It doesn't even contain 1/8th corner stream jumps. It also doesn't even contain 1/32 single tap jumps. Please delete this map set and delete your account immediately.

Gus wrote:

Nega wrote:

You know, this map really shouldn't be pushed for rank, Gus. This map is simply unfit for the ranking system and you know it. It doesn't even contain 1/8th corner stream jumps. It also doesn't even contain 1/32 single tap jumps. Please delete this map set and delete your account immediately.

listen man I only have one thing to say to you
my nam eJEF

Sabec wrote:

ejef :thinking:

mithew wrote:

fun map i just wish it stayed more true to the music

TheKingHenry wrote:

Hello M4M from my queue again~
Supposedly changed a lot since I last was here, we shall see I haven't eluded change either heh

Hakai

1. Audio quality is the minimum 128kbps, I'm sure you can find higher quality mp3 for this song
2. Timing point at 03:24:237 - is unnecessary, 80bpm point at 03:22:926 - is enough. Similarly it will render the point at 03:34:924 - useless since the offset is basically the same (there's 2ms difference if you wanna tricker around with that though) fixed
3. Overall the middle section (03:34:926 - 03:58:933) feels disoriented with how it follows the music. Like, it didn't play bad, but it didn't feel like it was following music either but rather putting sliders and circles in relatively arbitrary order. For example the blue tick pattern starters just ain't according to the musical emphasis even if the pitch is higher than the downbeats. (almost every measure there's actually almost nothing on the downbeat but it's still the most emphasized tick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) i disagree. i follow the constant 1/4 sounds and use sliders to emphasize the piano-y pitch sounds throughout the section where I can
4. 00:04:926 (3,5) - are these supposed to be whistled as whole fixed
5. 01:07:783 (2) - not fitting at all, there isn't similar sound as what 01:07:497 (1) - is, only the guitar. And if you map one of that, map all of the guitar (so basically I'd just remove this circle alltogether) thank you fixed
6. 01:10:926 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - I remember noting this last time too, like, not only is the first 1/2 01:10:926 (1,2) - 1/6 instead of 1/4, the 1/4 afterwards is almost iinaudible until the 01:11:497 - which makes using stable spacing like this (which means same emphasis for them all) not too fit as the music clearly gains momentum throughout the pattern instead. And as expected this is same with all of these patterns scattered around the map in these sections Yeah, I don't want to emphasize a 1/6 here for playability reasons. Also, the 1/4 doesn't become insanely audible as the pattern progresses, so I think the spacing fits.
7. 01:22:926 (5) - wrong rhythm, it's 1/2 to 1/6 for the latter half of the beat (see this); mapping 1/6 as 1/3 wouldn't really be problem but it's not fit here due the 1/2 which doesn't go well with 1/3 i really dont see a solution to this other than to map 1/6, so ill do it.
8. 01:32:069 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - hol' up there ain't any 1/4?? i mean i did it to be consistent with the same pattern at 5:04 but ill change it tbh
9. Lot of places where I feel the spacing could be used to better express the song, I'll example some; 00:43:069 (5,6,7,1) - massive spike in spacing for little quirk in guitar (I presume), not really worth like doubling spacing over. Especially as there's plethora of similar guitar riffage all around with fairly stable spacing usage (which atleast fits better than massive spike like this); 01:33:783 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - former 4 are more intense in music, latter 4 in map; 01:35:497 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - latter ones could use clearly more emphasis than the former, but instead it's about the same; 01:38:640 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - spacing increases when intensity in song goes down, there's hella lot in the sections with plenty of jumps; fixed some of these and a few other spots
10. 01:52:069 (3,4,5,6,7) - what's this low spacing linear thingy lol, kinda looks like waht you had in intro ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ big fixes comin in hot there
11. 02:07:211 (8,9,10) - triple should be 1/2 later, leading to the downbeat 02:07:497 (1) - (like, even if you think there'd be triple here too for some reason due the ambigious sounds, the clear and crisp snare one should still be priority over it) a phat fix
12. 02:21:211 - 02:25:783 - about; the solo part interpretation seems lame, lowish spacing with relatively high amount of sliders doesn't carry a lot of intensity. In the latter part when the density kicks in with no break-sliders it feels more fitting but not with this to be honest with you the drums don't kick in yet and i don't want to emphasize the 1/3 guitar so this is kinda what ur gettin lol
13. 04:12:987 (1,1) - use either or for the turns (as in not first using the 1st object of a combo as the turning point then the last object i should honestly know better. fixed.
14. 04:25:487 (16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - you can do better shape than this fixed
15. 05:02:715 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - no 1/4 for this either. Tbh there are some other places too, for example those additional 1/4 in-between sliders (you know what I'm talkin' about) where most of the time there ain't 1/4) disagree, i think the vocal rasp there is represented best by 1/4
16. 05:36:987 (1,2,3,4,5) - this has now been in every kiai section like this (atleast it's consistent heh) but like, considering there isn't any dominant 1/2 in the music you could implement that drum fill instead. There's a lot of other places too with undermapped stuff (intentionally though I guess); combined with the overmapping of some stuff on the other hand it creates quite interesting combination wouldn't you say :^)
17. 05:45:558 (1,2,3,1) - this reminds me of that one jump place where there was 1/1 in the middle of 1/2 stuff that woulda been better off stacked or some other spacing emphasis stuff for the 1/1 but I don't remember where it was, maybe ya'll find it what lmao
18. 05:53:701 (2) - not good rhythm choice, constant 1/2 or leaving the 1/2 currently under sliderend would fit better eh disagree
19. 06:08:701 (13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - shapes could be improved here too fixed
20. That's some impressions I got here skimming through; can't compare too much to what it used to be since I don't remember too much (well it has obviously improved with how it's changed but other than that). Not a lot I can provide on the gameplay with map like this though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good luck!