IControl wrote:

You only need 30 more secs which could be easily added by adding a long sppiner here 03:23:669 - add maybe here 00:43:669 - Fixed.

Call me back when your done

IControl wrote:

M4m From my Que
Relics of the Vigenere cipher
01:33:840 (73,74,75) - try changing this to kkd? sounds higher than lower and kkd is more conformable to play - I think the pattern plays fine as it is and I'd like the keep same pattern consistent for the same sections since I use it throughout the song, the kats used in the triple (k,d,k) pattern represent the synthetic growls in the song.

01:35:220 (83,84,85) - this could be kkk because 01:35:392 (85) - sounds higher than 01:34:013 (75) - and 01:34:702 (80) - The consistent pattern I use for those particular sections for the growls in the sound usually block out the extra sounds but I'll reconsider the patterns near the finishers and see if I can make it more rhythmically fun to play.

01:54:789 - add a note here. feint sound - ^, same reason as above applies.

01:55:823 - ^ Also apply changes from what i mentioned before if you agreed with it to keep it consistent. - ^, same reason as above applies.

01:57:375 - ^ - ^, once again, same reason as above applies.


01:57:547 - add note? I think this could be a nice place for a stream - I think the patterns play fine but if more people bring it up, I'll reconsider the patterns.

01:59:099 - add a note here and 01:59:271 - because the bass is very loud here and I feel like it should be ignored - ^, same reason as above applies.

01:59:099 (66) - remove this note to the kick here 01:59:013 (65) - more emphasis - At 01:59:185, you can clearly hear something of a kick that can best be represented by a kat/clap and plus the don before at 01:59:013, represents the drums and growls at that point in the song.

02:04:185 (105,106,107) - these should be ddk to match with your other parts - Fixed that current section, thanks for pointing out that inconsistency.

02:06:944 (19,20,21) - these should be kkd ( or kdk if you didnt agree with my point above) to match other parts - Fixed, thanks for the heads-up about this inconsistency as well.


02:09:961 - add d - While I do hear some very faint drums in the background here, the triple (k,d,k) pattern before at 02:09:702 (40,41,42) drowns the out, especially with the kats so I think it's best to be consistent with the patterning here.

02:10:306 (46,47) - swap - I feel there's nothing too notable to emphasize if I were to swap and plus the kats represent the loud synthetic sounds here and the dons covering the drums here.

02:10:564 (48) - d? sounds lower - While it does sound notably lower, having a don for that note still sounds strange rhythmically and the kats would be better for the notable sound.


02:37:030 (8,9) - I think you should remove these finishers from the doubles. I don't think they are rank-able and they weren't very fun to play for me - I agree as well, fixed rest of the section as well that had 1/4th finishers.

02:43:323 (36,37,38,39,40) - try 1/3 (kddd)? most maps that have dubstep elements use 1/3s to match the "wub" sounds. - Changed to 1/3rd for the pattern.
Also 02:44:702 (44,45,46) - sounds faster - Fixed, combined that pattern with the later double (d,k) to make it a streamy part.

02:49:013 - add d small sound here again - Fixed, combined some patterns to make it a streamy pattern.

02:44:961 - add note? ^ - Already fixed it when you pointed an earlier inconsistency in your mod post.

02:50:909 - add 1/6 (kkkd) to map to the high pitched sound ? The beat doesn't really stop like the other parts in the song - A 1/6th pattern would be weird since this section of the song is already erratic with some notes ending on blue ticks, so it would be better as a 1/4th pattern and plus, the finisher at 02:51:168 would block out most of the 1/6th pattern for the high pitched sound.


04:27:116 (31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49) - You should definitely consider nerfing this. This is the pattern i came up with:

- I'd disagree with nerfing this pattern since this would be the climax after the buildup that started at 04:07:806, plus I think the pattern is doable, but I revised the pattern to make it more readable and keep it somewhat challenging.



04:28:151 - I came up with this pattern for this part - Same thing as above, but I revised the pattern to make it more readable and easier to come out of the 1/6th stream pattern for the climax.


04:50:737 - add a spinner here? - While a spinner would make sense here, I made this part a 1/6th stream pattern to concede that this is near the end of the song and I'd like it to be challenging as the song nears the end.

try to find some good places for kai time! - With the many green inherited points in the timeline, adding kiai sections would cause some issues with AiMod and plus, the song by itself doesn't have too many sections that can call for kiai sections so I did without them.

This map set was really good So I couldn't find to much wrong with it. - Thanks for the mod.
Good luck no kudos

JessiChan wrote:

Hello M4M request from my queue.

d
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D
K

GENERAL

º Your background is very large please change to 1366 x 768 Specifically - Thanks to this, I'm allowed to use higher res BGs that aren't 1366 x 768, however, I'll consider down scaling it if it's mentioned multiple times.

Relics of the Vigenere Cipher

00:47:289 (4) - You can change this to k - While I could change it to a kat, the higher pitch is barely noticeable that keeping it consistently don for those patterns would be more practical.
00:51:427 (21,22) - ctrl + g if you want. - Changed, thanks for pointing out that pitch inconsistency.
00:52:806 (27) - k here for consistency - Chose not to change to keep consistency for the reasons stated above.
00:54:185 (32,33) - ctrl + g If you apply the same in the previous one. - Fixed, as well as other similar patterns for more consistency.
00:55:564 (38,39) - and 00:56:082 (40,41) - ctrl + g - Didn't change these two, since there's a clap sound located here 00:55:737 (39) for the first one and for the second one, 00:56:082 (40) was kat for the higher pitch.
00:58:323 (51,52) - ctrl + g too - Didn't change this one as you can hear a faint clap but is still noticeable since the song is starting to build up.
01:01:082 (64,65) - ^ Same - ^, for the same reasons as I stated above, I didn't change to keep consistency in the rhythm and build up for the song.
01:02:116 (69) - You can change this to k and 01:02:461 (72,73) - ctrl + g Here - For the first one I changed, thanks for pointing out another pitch inconsistency and for the second one, changed as well for the rhythm consistency.
01:03:840 (79,80) - ctrl + g here - Didn't change this one since you can hear a noticeable clap on 01:04:013, which is the placement for my kat there.
01:05:651 (92,93) - Same ^ - Changed, but I didn't necessarily followed your suggestion but instead, changed it to (d,k,k) to make the piano sound pronounced.
01:07:633 (7) - You can change this to k - Changed, thanks for pointing it out.
01:39:358 - You can add a note here if you want 01:40:737 - And same here. - Intentionally left notes out for these sections with wubs in them and made them doubles for more challenge, I also found they represent the rhythm most soundly.
02:01:254 (76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90) - Could you do a wonderful stream here. Only if you want. - ^, didn't change them for the same reasons as stated above and plus, I think streams there wouldn't make rhythmically sense and pattern-wise, something fun to play.
I think you could add a spinner from here 03:19:530 - Up here 03:23:151 - If you want. Or... a slider Up here: 03:22:978 - I left that part out intentionally as I felt it was better left blank however, if others point this out, I'll add in some sections for this part to make it more optimal.
03:48:151 (11,12) - You can do ctrl + g here - Fixed, thanks.
03:53:668 (32,33) - Same^ - Fixed as well.
04:00:392 (63,64) - Same^ - Changed it, but I rearranged the pattern in a different way then your suggestion.
04:10:220 (27) - k - Fixed, as well as other inconsistencies in this part of the song.


The rest of the map seems to me to be fine. Good luck. - Thanks for the mod.

NlHIL wrote:

[Relics of the Vigenere cipher]
00:49:616 (14) - remove? - Fixed, as well changed the other inconsistencies in this section.
02:01:082 - change to k dk dk …… kd ? - Fixed, but I changed it a bit differently compared to your suggestions.
02:54:358 (97,98,99,100) - change to 1/4 kd dd? - I chose to make this pattern at 02:43:323 (38,39,40,41) a 1/3rd, because you can hear the music become choppy and glitchy and and 1/3 represents it best, while later on at 02:48:840 (66,67,68,69,70) is 1/4th because there's no choppy or glitchy sounds here and 1/4th fits it well.
02:55:995 (7) - change to k? - Changed it, but I changed differently according to your suggestions, I did a (k,k,d,d) for that pattern instead.
03:59:013 (56,57) - swap? - Fixed, as well as the other inconsistency here.
04:56:427 - change to kddkdkd? - Fixed, that pattern sounds much better rhythmically.
05:00:564 - change to dddkkkk kd? - Changed, the pattern comes out of the 1/6th, better to play.
05:03:495 - change to kkkdddd? - I think that pattern wouldn't emphasize the background synths as well as the dons being in the front of the 1/6th pattern since kats would overpower the sound, the pattern I have for now is best rhythm wise.
05:18:151 (29,30) - 05:20:909 (51,52) - 05:29:185 (16,17) - swap? - I'm doing a 1/4th double kats rhythm for these sections to make the synths that're fading out more emphasized than usual and it plays out fine.
05:30:220 - change to kkddd d? - Changed, but not exactly according to your suggestions.
05:33:323 (39) - I think d is better - Same as well.

Thanks for the mod.

Ceryuia wrote:

Hihi~ From my Queue

[Relics of the Vigenere cipher]
00:49:013 (11) - Change this to a don to mirror the pattern you have at 00:54:185 (31,32,33,34) - Changed.
00:55:047 (35,38) - Change these to dons as you have established a pattern before this and changing it here doesn't seem right - These are kats as you can start to faintly hear claps from the drums in the background as the song starts to build up and so kats reflected that.
00:59:702 (55,56,57) - Change this to dkd as there is a higher sound on 00:59:875 - Changed, thanks for pointing out the inconsistency.
01:51:886 (6) - Change this to a don as this emphasises the loud 'k' note on 01:51:944 - This 1/6th pattern was much different than the other 1/6th patterns in that the kats represent the "winding up" sound and as well the louder than usual clap sounds and so the double kat rhythm I have works just as well and plus, it plays well as a (d,d,k,k) pattern.
02:55:909 (6,7) - These should be kats as it has the same sound as 02:55:823 - Changed.
03:57:116 (44) - Change this to a kat, to fit in with this pattern at 00:57:806 (46,47,48,49,50,51) as it has the same sound - Fixed, thanks for showing the inconsistency here.
04:34:013 (87,88) - Change these to kats as you have put the same sound as kats on 04:33:323 (81,83), but not these ones - Changed.
04:39:185 (21) - Change this to a kat as it feel it sounds better - Changed.
05:04:013 (15) - Change this to a don? This note sounds very low to me - Changed, makes sense the music changes up and the 1/6th stream pattern makes it hard to hit the big K finisher.
05:08:151 (45,46,47,48) - This should be dddk instead of kkkd as the sound goes higher rather than lower - This is a 1/6th (k,k,k,d) pattern that I didn't changed as it reflected the same section earlier at 01:46:771 (71,72,73,74) for the same sound and I wanted to keep consistency and plus, the kats offset the lower sound and it still plays rhythmically well.


That is all from me, Good luck~!! - Thanks for the mod.

gaston_2199 wrote:

Hi!
Sorry for a late response.
M4M from my queue
[Relics of the Vigenere Cipher]

1. Cipher? I think fix this (mayus) - I didn't capitalize cipher since the word doesn't have any importance attached to it and it wasn't a noun like Vigenere, it would also go in line with the song's title (Key of timepieces), where timepieces isn't capitalized, so I kept the difficulty name consistent with the song title as well.
2. The BG have dimensions that is not permited. Fix this to 1024x768 or 1366x768 - Thanks to this Rule Change, the BG dimensions for this song that's 1920 x 1080 is allowed and rankable wise.
3. 00:49:185 (12,23,34,45,58) - I think that this is excessive, I suggest remove this so agrees more with this 03:47:978 (9,10,11,12) - 03:50:737 (20,21,22) - . If you not accept this, add note in 01:02:978 - Changed, I fixed those sections you mentioned by adding in notes and removing notes to keep consistency in my patterns, thanks for pointing out.
4. 00:58:323 (50,51) - Ctrl + G - I didn't CTRL+G these two notes as the kat emphasizes the faint clap in the background since the music is building up and it would be consistent wise with this pattern later on at 01:01:082 (63,64).
5. 01:05:564 (90,92) - Ctrl + G - I didn't CTRL+G those two notes but I changed them to fit the rhythm a bit better.
6. 01:05:909 (93) - Remove - Faint drum sounds here and plus, the music is building up here and I would like to keep rhythm here going with the dons and kats.
7. 01:18:151 (74) - Change to k so agree whit this 01:18:323 (75,76,77,78,79,80,81) - Changed, thanks for pointing out the inconsistency.
8. 02:26:513 (96,2) - k - This pattern is nearly identical to the pattern earlier at 02:15:220 (83,84,85) for the same sounds and plus, the kats emphasize the louder pitch sounds well enough that I can keep the same (k,d,k) pattern for consistency.
9. 05:50:047 (98) - Remove - Removed, nice catch, didn't notice the inconsistency there.

Sorry for short mod. I like the song, shoot star~ - It's fine, thanks for the kudosu.
Good luck for rank! - Thanks for the mod.

Jaye wrote:

Heyo! M4M from my queue (thanks for the work on Night Sky). - No problem.

[General]

1. d = don & k = kat, Caps on either for a Finisher.
2. Consider adding some kiai time. - I didn't utilize Kiai time since I used a lot of green inherited timing points that interchange between Normal and Soft hitsound samples and plus, the song's nature itself doesn't exactly require Kiai time to much of an extent.
3. Apologies in advance for any nitpicks related to placing k in places; I tend to do it a lot. - It's fine.

[ Relics of the Vigenere cipher]

1. 00:47:289 (4) - Could change to k, though it's honestly fine. My main reason for the suggestion is just because seeing dd twice in a row as the music is evidently rising in tone feels a little awkward. If you're ever worried that having two kd in a row is bad then you could always place the note at (2), which would be fine but probably less so as (2,3) overall is lower in tone than (4,5) and so would be less likely to include a k. - I decided to keep the 1/4th (d,d,) pattern in place since the music is in fact rising in tone but at 00:47:806 (6,7), it stops in tone and at 00:48:668 (9,10,11,12), the music tones down and starts over again as the pattern resumes again.
2. 00:50:047 (15) - Essentially the same comment as above. Also a suggestion for 00:52:806 (26). And I only just noticed that this also applies to the section just after the break in the middle of the map. - Same as the reasoning as provided above, tone does rise up in those pattern but stops at 00:50:564 (17,18) and slows down at 00:51:427 (20,21,22,23) and plus, the music is building up faintly in the background with the drums going on. This would also essentially apply to the section after the break in the middle of the song, since it's almost the same with a few variable differences.
3. 01:20:737 (98) - Change to k, looking at your style and the sounds you've mapped to I'm surprised this ended up as d. Same applies to 01:22:116 (8) and all 1/6 kddd you have put down in this buildup of the song; but I think keeping a few as they are will be good for variety purposes. - I changed the ends of the 1/6th patterns with a kat to build more variety as well make the song more rhythmically sounding, I changed all of them since it wouldn't make sense to break consistency when they nearly have identical rhythm for all the 1/6th parts.
4. 01:25:564 (32) - Change to k, to match the point I made above and also because the following note sounds significantly lower in tone. Also applies to the next two dd doublets but again keep one or two the same is fine for variety purposes. - I didn't exactly follow according to your suggestions since I made all the following notes for that pattern a kat, while significantly lower in tone, the "clap" sound for that part is very noticeable and the pattern plays off nicely and again, I changed them all consistently since variety wouldn't make much sense in this scenario and consistency would be the stronger choice here.
5. 01:28:151 - 01:29:875 - Could easily fit a spinner in here if desired. - Added a spinner.
6. 01:30:478 - Add d, there's a distinct low drum sound here and the contrasting sound should make the following k feel more lively. - While distinct, I chose not to include this since the following big K finisher definitely outshines the note here and plus the drastic SV changes doesn't factor having a note here well.
7. 01:48:161 - Could make this a 1/6 4-plet, as it's essentially the same sound as 01:49:530 only lower toned, and you have that point as a 1/6. - Unfortunately, that note is a big D finisher and it's definitely unrankable with a 1/6th stream pattern with a finisher at the beginning and plus, I think the big D finisher does the job well in representing the lower tone synthetic sound here.
8. 02:15:737 (86) - Change to d, sound is identical to the note before it which you have as d. Also applies to 02:21:254 (92) and 02:26:771 (98). - Changed.
9. 02:17:978 (87,88,89) - Okay so with the previous comment I thought keeping the first note as k was good because of the held-cymbal but for this set you don't have that so you have three identical sounds, so I'd recommend either ddd or kkk (both sound fine to me). Also applies to 02:23:495 (93,94,95). - The kats for those patterns do emphasize a very distinct but faint sound, they represent the higher pitch synthetic sounds and the 1/4th keyboard keys going on in the background. This reasoning also applies to the later pattern at 02:23:495 (93,94,95).
10. I'm pretty happy with everything else up to the break. - Thanks.
11. 04:27:116 (34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46) - Pretty sinister pattern which I'm okay with, but there is no real reason why (34,35,36,37,38,39) should be any different to (40,41,42,43,44,45) since they're the same noise (albeit the latter is slightly higher pitch). Changing (36) to a d or (42) to a k would be recommended. Of course I could just say make it all 1/4 but, where's the fun in that? - The reasoning behind the kats was that they progressively get less and less through the 1/6th stream pattern into 1/4th stream, they go from three kats to two kats and so on, the kats represent the intensity of the kicks here and how they progressively fade out with the dons providing a decent offset and making it more readable.
12. 04:30:909 (69,70) - Both could be k, mostly the latter to emphasis tone difference between (70) and (71). Also applies to 04:36:427 (5,6) and 04:42:461 (41). - Emphasizing tone difference would be rather hard with how loud finishers are and the big D finishers are supposed to be consistent with the same sound like earlier at 04:30:392 (67) and the big K finishers are exact same but with the added kick in the background, I did however, fix an inconsistency with the one of the finishers.
13. 04:35:564 (2) - Change to D as it sounds much deeper than (1). - Noticeable cymbal sound here and I decided to emphasize that with a Soft hitsound sample big K finisher.
14. 04:38:064 - Could add a k here since there is a distinct sound higher than (13). - The big D finisher at 04:38:151 (14) makes it hard to add a kat here since there's minimal SV changes and as well as very few loud rhythm changes that could support a note here.
15. 04:43:927 (51) - Change to k due to identical sound with (50) and significant tone difference between it and (52). - Changed, thanks for pointing out that tone inconsistency.
16. 04:51:082 (9) - This is rather unintuitive and what I'd deem "a disgusting pattern". There's something similar to this in Raiden's Pavor Nocturnus and it's pretty gross to play since the player usually assumes the new colour begins on their preferred hand. I'd recommend changing this note in particular to a k so that the player isn't weirded out with this burst. - Fixed, you're right about it being rather hard to read this 1/6th pattern.
17. 04:51:771 (18) - Consider moving this note a 1/4 tick to the right. - With the big K finisher at 04:51:944 (19), it's rather hard to back up a note being here and plus, the don is supposed to offset the kats that emphasize the kicks here and the don representing the faint drum here.
18. 05:00:564 (86,87,88,89,90,91,92) - Could be improved to ddddkkk, though after some testing I found just ddddddk to sound the best because the "tang" noise really only happens at the end of the pattern. Of course this pattern is fine if you consider one of the background noises but it's pretty faint that I could barely tell it was there. - I think the 1/6th stream pattern is fine as is, the kats would represent the kicks and as well the louder synthetic sounds that slow down here and plus, the kats here aren't too bothersome with the rhythm here and so they're fine as is.
19. 05:01:484 (96) - Change to k, sound is identical to that of (97) which you have as k. - Changed, thanks for pointing out that inconsistency, it sounds rhythmically better.

Best of luck getting this into the Approved category! - Thanks for the mod.

Oui wrote:

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in general, add som kiai times, and don't abuse of longs 1/6 patterns - Adding in Kiai times would cause some issues from AiMod to pop up and plus, the song's very nature doesn't include much Kiai time at all so I felt leaving out Kiai time was a more viable option. I seldom used 1/6ths patterns compared to the amount of 1/4th patterns in the song and not only that, but, some sections needed the 1/6th patterns or else it would not represent the music very well if I mapped it 1/4th wise and made it undermapped. Nonetheless, thanks for the concerns and I'll be on the lookout if more people address these issues.

00:54:693 (34) - delete - There's a very faint drum sound here so I decided to emphasize it with a Don and plus, I keep consistency by doing the same pattern for similar sections earlier at 00:48:659 (9,10,11,12).
00:55:210 (36) - k - The tone of instrument being played here sounds much lower so I represented it with a Don and I'm keeping consistency with earlier 1/2 patterns like at 00:52:279 (24,25) and 00:49:521 (13,14). Only 00:55:038 (35) is different since it's a Kat, due to the fact the very faint kick sounds are coming in.
00:55:555 (39) - k - This isn't a Kat, since it sounds much lower than the note later at 00:55:728 (40) and there's also a kick sound here as well and plus, I'm keeping the consistency with earlier 1/2 patterns like at 00:52:796 (26,27) and 00:50:038 (15,16).
00:56:245 (42,43,44) - ctrl+g - This pattern wasn't CTRL+G because these two notes at 00:56:072 (41,42) are keeping consistency with earlier 1/2 patterns like at 00:53:314 (28,29) and also the tone sounds much lower for the Don and that's why I emphasize the section with the Kat first. The Kat at 00:56:417 (44) was used to emphasize the faint kicks that are building up throughtout the section.
00:57:107 (47) - k - Changed, I also changed two similar patterns. Thanks for pointing out the inconsistency since I forgot to emphasize the kick sound here.
00:57:452 (49) - delete - I was representing the faint drums sound in the background here and was keeping consistency with a earlier 1/2 pattern at 00:51:417 (20,21,22,23).
01:05:383 (95) - k - Fixed, thanks for pointing out that inconsistency.
01:05:555 (96,97,98) - ctrl+g - I didn't CTRL+G this pattern as the Kat at 01:05:727 (98), was emphasizing the synthetic sound in the background and kick sound as well.
01:07:279 (10) - k - I decided to keep this note a Don, to keep the pattern more consistent and as well as making sure the Kats at 01:07:452 (11,12) sound more rhythmically sounding.
01:07:452 (11) - d - This note was a Kat since it was emphasizing the very faint kick sounds that was building up at this section.
01:07:452 (11) - add a d - ?, unless you're talking about the spaces between the Kat note, I decided to keep them empty as they're sufficiently covered by the Kat sounds.
01:07:452 (11) - ^ - ?, Same as the reasoning stated above.
from 01:30:727 - to 02:13:831 - try to change the patterns, by adding notes between tripplets. - While it's true there's a lot of sounds between the triplets in this section. I decided to keep this section a bit easier and plus, the triplets do well to mask the very faint sounds between them. However, later on at 04:51:934 (41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8), Where the music is more intense, I decided to make it more harder and added in notes between the triplets like the suggestion you mentioned.
03:19:090 (88) - http://i.imgur.com/96wNKcH.png - While this part has very faint drums sounds here, the bass sound is much louder and overpowers them, so I emphasized the bass with Dons despite them landing on blue ticks and plus, you can hear the cymbal crash at 03:19:434 (1), which is I used a big Kat finisher here, this section was designed to be hard to hit after the very consistent 1/4th patterns and not only that, but, the break appears right after this.
03:23:659 - try to use as less as possible the breaks in taiko. - Yea, after some feedback from testplayers and other people, I will change this section to be mapped later on, not as of right now.
03:51:245 (23) - delete - This Don was representing the faint drums sounds and as well as the synthetic sound here and plus, it's following consistency with a earlier 1/2 pattern at 00:51:417 (20,21,22,23) and also later on at 03:56:245 (46,47,48,49).
03:53:141 (32) - k - Fixed, as well as other similar notes in this section.
03:54:003 (36) - delete - You can hear a faint drum sound here and so I emphasized that with a Don and plus, I used a similar 1/2 pattern earlier on at 03:47:969 (9,10,11,12).
03:56:762 - delete - I was emphasizing the faint drum sound here as well and also I used a similar 1/2 pattern earlier at 03:50:727 (20,21,22,23).
03:58:659 (58) - k - Changed, as mentioned from one of your earlier suggestions.
03:59:521 (62) - delete - There's faint drum sound and bass here as well and continuing with earlier 1/2 patterns like at 03:53:486 (33,34,35,36).
04:02:279 (76) - delete - Very faint drum sounds here and bass as well and plus, I'm keeping the consistency with these 1/2 patterns earlier at 03:56:245 (46,47,48,49).
04:03:831 (83,84,85) - ctrl+g - This pattern wasn't CTRL+G as these two 1/2 notes at 04:03:659 (86,87) were keeping consistency earlier at 03:49:865 (17,18) and also the Kat at 04:04:003 (89) was representing the kick sounds that build up throughout this section, so I felt the pattern was best not CTRL+G.
04:04:521 (89) - k - Fixed, thanks for pointing out that inconsistency.
04:04:865 (91) - k - I kept this note a Don as changing it would have this section having too much Kats and blocking out the rhythm here and plus, the Don emphasizes the faint drums here.
04:05:038 (92) - d - Didn't make this one a Don, since it's representing the loud synthetic sound here and the bass sound that's building up here.
04:07:969 - in this serie of patterns, try to change some of them by kddkddk... patterns, this sounds pretty well for example (04:09:693 (31) -) http://i.imgur.com/nb1taz3.png - I feel the current set of patterns used here are well suited to the build-up as your suggestion seems to add more and I feel that would overmap it and it wouldn't mesh well with what I have here and later on for the climax for the build-up, so I won't use it but I'll consider it if more people bring this up.
04:19:176 - these patterns are too repetitive - This section of patterns at 04:18:831 (95,96,97,98,99,100,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) is different from the earlier section of build up and plus, I'd like to keep these patterns consistent since there's no change in the rhythm and it's a consistent build-up, which I feel my patterns represent it well.

Thanks for the mod.

Intelli wrote:

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2016-12-21 22:15 Voyage: Hi, are you available for a testplay?
2016-12-21 22:15 Intelli: sure
2016-12-21 22:15 Voyage: thanks
2016-12-21 22:15 Voyage: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1126535 Camellia - Key of timepieces]
2016-12-21 22:32 Voyage: ye, hit me up when you're back or something
2016-12-21 22:49 Intelli: sorry friend was at my house. Just got wisdom teeth out today
2016-12-21 22:49 Voyage: ye, no worries
2016-12-21 22:49 Voyage: you don't have to continue the testplay
2016-12-21 22:49 Voyage: I figured out a section that was bothering me lol
2016-12-21 22:49 Intelli: lol nice
2016-12-21 22:49 Intelli: make sure you don't overuse 1/6ths
2016-12-21 22:50 Intelli: and svs
2016-12-21 22:50 Voyage: nonetheless, thanks for the testplay 
2016-12-21 22:50 Intelli: np
2016-12-21 22:50 Voyage: I feel the 1/6ths are justified considering the song
2016-12-21 22:50 Voyage: making them 1/4ths would undermapped them and ruin the consistency of the map
2016-12-21 22:50 Voyage: but fair point
2016-12-21 22:51 Intelli: yeah but for rankability reasons, make sure that they are used consistently (i.e. dont change the patterns too often on them) and when you do use them, it needs to be CLEARLY reflected in the song
2016-12-21 22:51 Voyage: mmm, I think they're reflected well by the songs
2016-12-21 22:51 Voyage: the synthetic growls from the song 
2016-12-21 22:51 Voyage: and long drawn out glitchy sounds 
2016-12-21 22:52 Voyage: are represented by the 1/6ths
2016-12-21 22:52 Voyage: almost of all the 1/6ths are used consistently which would be the ones that are quads
2016-12-21 22:52 Voyage: the longer ones are represented by the buildup in the songs
2016-12-21 22:53 Intelli: also 1/6th streams with color changes like at 02:14:003 are not ok at this sr
2016-12-21 22:53 Voyage: but if more people mention them I'll see what I can do
2016-12-21 22:54 Voyage: The pattern isn't anything ground breaking wise
2016-12-21 22:54 Voyage: it doesn't violate any rules or guidelines
2016-12-21 22:54 Voyage: if need be, I can change them into seperate two 1/6ths patterns
2016-12-21 22:55 Voyage: I feel the SR indication doesn't necessarily judge those patterns well enough
2016-12-21 22:55 Voyage: The mapped is marked with an Extra indicating it's difficulty
2016-12-21 22:55 Voyage: so the 1/6ths patterns are well justified in that aspect
2016-12-21 22:56 Intelli: but its sr is way too low to justify that type of complex streaming
2016-12-21 22:56 Intelli: its kinda like "this 4* oni is called oni, so a 32 note long 1/4th stream makes sense"
2016-12-21 22:56 Intelli: see where im coming from?
2016-12-21 22:57 Voyage: but nothing in the guideline/rules would indicate the SR type of thing tbh
2016-12-21 22:57 Voyage: but this is a inner oni
2016-12-21 22:57 Voyage: the song's nature allows these types of patterns to exist and I feel it would work
2016-12-21 22:58 Voyage: most of the 1/4th patterns are well consistent for their difficulty norms 
2016-12-21 22:58 Voyage: and plus, the song indicates the long 1/6th parts with the build up 
2016-12-21 22:58 Voyage: I do get your point though
2016-12-21 23:00 Voyage: I feel like using the osu!taiko SR as a indicator on how a map should be complex wouldn't work well
2016-12-21 23:00 Voyage: as the SR is pretty flawed on how it calculates difficulty
2016-12-21 23:00 Intelli: there are between 3 to 5 extra long and difficult 1/6th streams in the map imo, and if i just remove the 3, the sr drops to 5.1
2016-12-21 23:00 Intelli: i know but the point is the 1/6th streams are WAY harder than the rest of the map, even if justified by music
2016-12-21 23:01 Voyage: the difficulty spikes are justified since the music spikes in those sections as well
2016-12-21 23:02 Voyage: and also for the long 1/6th pattern
2016-12-21 23:02 Voyage: there's a break section
2016-12-21 23:02 Voyage: with only 1/2 notes
2016-12-21 23:02 Voyage: the second long 1/6th pattern goes into 1/4th streams
2016-12-21 23:02 Voyage: so it build ups and then it slows down
2016-12-21 23:02 Voyage: I do agree the second pattern might need be to reworked nonethelss
2016-12-21 23:03 Intelli: the bass actually dropped out in the others, so most mappers would use finishers or a drum roll to represent the growl because the music technically calms down before the drop on a few of the others
2016-12-21 23:04 Voyage: can you list me where they drop out so I can see?
2016-12-21 23:06 Intelli: even though it leads to a slow section, 02:14:004
2016-12-21 23:06 Intelli: 04:50:727
2016-12-21 23:06 Intelli: 05:03:314
2016-12-21 23:06 Intelli: most striking examples
2016-12-21 23:07 Intelli: just changing those 3 to something like drumrolls would both improve the sr-to-actual difficulty difference, and would make the map more consistent in terms of difficulty
2016-12-21 23:07 Intelli: the one that slows into 1/4ths might just have to be made more monochrome
2016-12-21 23:08 Voyage: hmm
2016-12-21 23:08 Voyage: you think they can be seperated into two 1/6ths patterns?
2016-12-21 23:09 Intelli: actually the one at 04:27:107 could be kddkddkddkddk and work to an extent
2016-12-21 23:09 Voyage: 05:03:314 (33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42) - I know this pattern can be made monochrome to make it much more readable
2016-12-21 23:10 Intelli: at 02:14:003, try kkkk dddd D
2016-12-21 23:10 Intelli: on an unrelated note, make 04:38:486 1/4th, it plays better
2016-12-21 23:11 Intelli: just make 04:50:727 a spinner tbh
2016-12-21 23:12 Intelli: and 05:03:314 could be made monochrome, but a spinner would also work
2016-12-21 23:12 Voyage: 04:38:831 - I think this is fine as 1/3rd
2016-12-21 23:13 Voyage: as it goes from 1/6th to 1/3 
2016-12-21 23:13 Voyage: lots of testplayers played fine from what I seen
2016-12-21 23:13 Voyage: I can agree about the last one pattern being 1/6th
2016-12-21 23:13 Voyage: as the kats are very hard to hit
2016-12-21 23:16 Intelli: also every sv is greater than or equal to 1x multiplier, why?
2016-12-21 23:17 Intelli: you could very easily drop every single one by .2 or something
2016-12-21 23:17 Intelli: it would make it much more readable, especially considering the complex rhythmns
2016-12-21 23:18 Voyage: The SV parts play fine from what I seen from other testplayers
2016-12-21 23:19 Intelli: i think the problem is you're conflating "testplayers play it well" and "players will play it well"
2016-12-21 23:19 Voyage: and I was trying to match the erratic parts from the song itself
2016-12-21 23:19 Voyage: I understand that
2016-12-21 23:19 Intelli: because if every testplayer you got was around my level, it may skew the results
2016-12-21 23:19 Voyage: I've gotten testplays from most of the skill levels that could play this
2016-12-21 23:20 Voyage: as far as I'm concerned
2016-12-21 23:20 Voyage: there was no issues with the SV parts themselves
2016-12-21 23:20 Voyage: if need be, they'll be pointed out by mods 
2016-12-21 23:21 Intelli: thats fair, I just think they could stand to be lower in general, and not by much
2016-12-21 23:21 Voyage: I see
2016-12-21 23:22 Voyage: if anything, the testplays from people who played HR on this didn't have a problem with the SV
2016-12-21 23:23 Intelli: yeah i just played some w/ hr too. most HR players will be used to this kind of sv, because the bpm is kinda low
2016-12-21 23:23 Intelli: hd might be an issue though, but that comes hand in hand with camellia
2016-12-21 23:26 Voyage: I mean, thanks for the input if you any more issues you're welcome to voice them out
2016-12-21 23:27 Intelli: why od 6.4
2016-12-21 23:27 Intelli: lol
2016-12-21 23:27 Voyage: to prevent notelocking but you can recommend a better OD and HP if ya want
2016-12-21 23:30 Intelli: although a case can be made for >6 od
2016-12-21 23:30 Intelli: i think 6/5 is what I would go with, because its so long (huehue) and above 6* is generally reserved for super slow but complex songs
2016-12-21 23:30 Intelli: 5.5 hp is also ok i think
2016-12-21 23:30 Voyage:  ye, I agree with your suggestion
2016-12-21 23:31 Voyage: changed it
2016-12-21 23:32 Intelli: other than that, pretty good, just a couple of slight pattern inconsistencies that mods should clear up.
2016-12-21 23:32 Intelli: good job for a first time mapper :D
2016-12-21 23:32 Voyage: yeah, this could chalk up as a IRC mod tbh
2016-12-21 23:32 Intelli: yeah lol
2016-12-21 23:32 Intelli: oh shoot didnt notice
2016-12-21 23:32 Voyage: Nonetheless, thanks again for the input and feedback
2016-12-21 23:33 Intelli: set all the timing samples to normal
2016-12-21 23:33 Intelli: its kinda an unspoken rule unless you have custom samples
2016-12-21 23:33 Voyage: Oh some of them are set to soft for the default cymbal sounds
2016-12-21 23:34 Voyage: unless there's a better way to emphasize those
2016-12-21 23:34 Intelli: i would either just set it to normal or find a good custom one
2016-12-21 23:35 Voyage: I see
2016-12-21 23:36 Voyage: I mean, I feel like the soft default ones are being left out
2016-12-21 23:36 Voyage: I mostly use the soft default one for finishers
2016-12-21 23:37 Intelli: yeah i disagree with it too, but it just ends up getting things dq'd
2016-12-21 23:37 Intelli: if you REALLY wanna use it, you could set the same hitsound to a custom normal one
2016-12-21 23:37 Intelli: LOL
2016-12-21 23:37 Voyage: yeah 
2016-12-21 23:38 Voyage: I thought about that
2016-12-21 23:38 Voyage: but idk if someone would chalk that up as a mistake of me switching them since they're default
2016-12-21 23:38 Voyage: in a mod
2016-12-21 23:38 Intelli: maybe go into audacity and raise the pitch by 1.1x and boom new hs XD
2016-12-21 23:38 Intelli: well as long as you explained idk if it matters
2016-12-21 23:38 Voyage: hmm, I'll see if I can do that
2016-12-21 23:39 Voyage: do you mind if either you or me post this as an IRC mod?
2016-12-21 23:39 Voyage: you posted some valid suggestions
2016-12-21 23:39 Intelli: sure