Dormir - Une mage blanche [Osu|Taiko] · forum

sheela

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Joined October 2011

sheela 2017-04-13T22:04:37+00:00

added a clap across all diffs for consistency. voilà!

bonne chance!

Realazy

Elite Mapper

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Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Realazy 2017-04-13T22:05:04+00:00

merci beaucoup!

Arrival

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Joined June 2012

Arrival 2017-04-13T23:46:18+00:00

pogue champe

Pentori

1,157 posts

Joined November 2015

Pentori 2017-04-18T16:37:44+00:00

hey
[Standard]
00:34:861 (2,3,4) - the 1/2 rhythms seem to come out of nowhere, other places map these sounds to the 1/1s 00:32:685 (3) - 00:37:659 (3) - so the change in rhythm is pretty unexpected
00:40:146 (1) - dont think u need the nc. see 00:10:302 (3,4)
00:42:322 (2,3) - the rhythm simplfication isn't really needed here, the offbeats are much more powerful 00:42:478 - cause of the cymbal crashes. here u map the weaker sound 00:42:633 - i guess for the sake of keeping everything 1/1, but u could easily do a rhythm like https://puu.sh/vo1NA/3c50bb0632.jpg that follows the music more closely
00:47:452 (3) - and yea here since u switch to that offbeat but leave it unmapped during 00:44:965 - and 00:42:478 - you make it really hard to predict rhythms
01:22:115 (3) - 01:24:602 (3) - the 1/2 sliders used in the kiai are a really awkward way of mapping the offbeats. here ur mapping different instruments with the same slider, so the kick drum 01:22:271 - ends up on the slider end, but the next slider follows the kick drums with a clickable object 01:22:581 . tbh the transition would be so much smoother if u had a rhythm like http://puu.sh/vo2bu/021b937c1f.jpg for 01:21:804 (2,3)

i dont really think this difficulty is suitable to be the lowest difficulty. for a 193 bpm map the sv is quite high and contains a decent amount of 1/2 rhythms in the kiai. tbh there should be an easy or something with lower sv and more 2/1 and 1/1 rhythms for this bpm :/

[Advanced]
00:01:597 - rhythm seems quite shaky at the beginning. with circles like 00:03:307 (4) - you suddenly pick up on the offbeat rhythms, while ignoring them most other times eg. 00:02:063 - 00:02:685 - and instead are prioritising the much weaker white tick 00:02:841 . since you switch back and forth between red ticks and white ticks with no indication in the music, it becomes very awkward to play since it isnt clear what the player should be clicking to

00:23:825 (1) - its expected for a beat to be on 00:23:670 - to cover the clap, since you built this consistency up through patterns like 00:12:944 (4,5) - 00:18:229 (5,6) - 00:20:405 (5,6) . u could argue that theres a vocal on 00:23:825 - but the vocal also exists at 00:18:851 . also i think the instruments are a lot more obvious to follow here
01:04:395 (2) - 01:09:369 (2) - etc. these are clicked on really weak beats, yet the red and white ticks after it are much stronger to click to
01:19:939 (1) - not really sure what this is following :/ theres nothing on 01:19:939
01:29:887 (1,2,3,4) - i dont see a reason not to map the red ticks here. theyre much stronger than the white ticks and rhythms like 01:32:219 (4,5) - are following those sounds
01:39:835 (3,4,5) - ^

[Hard]
00:09:058 (1,2) - ctrl g rhythm? since these sliders 00:09:524 (3,4) - are following the piano, having a slider for the piano on 00:09:058 - works better
00:35:638 (6,7) - wouldn't a slider work better? similar reason to above its emphasising the same sounds as 00:35:017 (4,5) . also u prob need a hitsound on 00:35:638 (6)
00:39:214 - clap
00:40:923 (3,4,5,1) - would look nicer imo if you spaced them evenly
01:09:214 (2,3) - this makes 01:09:369 (3) - feel more important but the stronger sound is on 01:09:214 (2) . should prob ctrl g the rhythm or something
01:13:410 - 01:15:898 - 01:18:385 - i think u should include these snares. randomly having a 3/2 gap feels quite awkward
01:19:939 (4,5,6,7) - the 1/4 sounds are honestly so quiet here, i dont think this kinda pattern is appropriate. the music doesnt change enough for a player to recognise the change in rhythm. like compare this to 00:50:094 (1,2,3,4) - and u'll notice one is a lot louder. perhaps u could keep following the main melody
01:29:732 (4,1,2,3,4) - like i mentioned in advanced, all the important sounds are on the red ticks here

gonna stop here i guess, the rhythms in the lower diffs juggle between emphasising red and white ticks too often creating a rhythm thats difficult to follow and doesn't really represent the music in some cases

also i really think u should include a difficulty below standard as it doesn't seem suitable as the lowest difficulty

Realazy

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Topic Starter

Realazy 2017-04-23T01:29:49+00:00

Pentori wrote:
hey hello!

[Hard]
00:09:058 (1,2) - ctrl g rhythm? since these sliders 00:09:524 (3,4) - are following the piano, having a slider for the piano on 00:09:058 - works better i'm hearing a pair of sounds starting on 2 and repeating at each slider though so i'd like to keep that rhythm

everything else was fixed except for Advanced which was completely remapped and hopefully made more consistent and easy to follow
there's also a new lower diff with much less 1/2 and slower SV thanks to Kyuukai grosPD

Kyuukai

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Joined December 2014

Kyuukai 2017-04-23T22:36:38+00:00

Changed smth unconsistant

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xChorse

765 posts

Joined December 2012

xChorse 2017-04-24T09:48:51+00:00

Hello, m4m from my queue.

Kyuukai's Basic

01:27:089 (2) - Move this down a bit, right now it looks less smooth than all other patterns because of the sharp angle the sliderend makes

01:43:566 (1,2,3) - This rhythm is unexpected and at the very end of the map. I'd suggest doing something like this: http://puu.sh/vuu6A/e37b584059.png because the slider would end on a weak sound 01:43:877 - and you already introduced this rhythm before: 00:41:390 - so the player would expect it.

01:48:540 (1) - sliderend could be replaced with a hitcircle due to 01:49:162 - being a rather strong sound.

Standard

00:09:058 (1) - Could be the same rhythm as the patterns before because 00:10:613 - was always clickable, but I guess this is fine as well.

00:42:478 (2) - these sliders could end 1/2th of a beat later. (on 00:43:255 - for example)

00:42:478 (2) - this slider also has the drum sampleset enabled, which is why 00:42:944 - doesn't play the hitsound. With the previous point in mind, having a 1/1 beat inbetween these hitsounds sounds better than a 1/2 beat imo.

01:20:172 - 01:20:328 - I don't think these inherited points are necessary (you probably changed a slider here or something)

Advanced

00:08:903 - would play better if it was clickable imo

00:32:374 - map this part like this one instead 00:36:416 - since this one follows the rhythm better

00:48:851 (1,2) - could be slightly angled into or away from eachother for a e s t h e t i c s but it's fine like this

You only told me to mod 3 lowest diffs so mod turned our pretty short as the map is already really polished, hope it's enough to help

Message me ingame if I messed something up or you don't understand something. Good luck!

Realazy

Elite Mapper

1,004 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Realazy 2017-04-24T15:01:38+00:00

xChorse wrote:
Hello, m4m from my queue.

Standard
00:09:058 (1) - Could be the same rhythm as the patterns before because 00:10:613 - was always clickable, but I guess this is fine as well. i switched the rhythm here so 00:10:302 - could be clicked since they're as intense as the first two sliders, and more than the intro itself

00:42:478 (2) - these sliders could end 1/2th of a beat later. (on 00:43:255 - for example) i like them that way because they end roughly at the same time as the vocals and bass, and i think the 1/1 at the end of each combo makes a nice transition into the next 3/2 rhythms, plus it feels too extra to end them later imo

00:42:478 (2) - this slider also has the drum sampleset enabled, which is why 00:42:944 - doesn't play the hitsound. With the previous point in mind, having a 1/1 beat inbetween these hitsounds sounds better than a 1/2 beat imo. good catch, thank you! though i'd like to keep the 2/1 sliders as they are for now

01:20:172 - 01:20:328 - I don't think these inherited points are necessary (you probably changed a slider here or something) indeed, thanks

Advanced
00:08:903 - would play better if it was clickable imo here i want to show that these are noticeably less important than the previous occurences, so there's no finish and the rhythm isn't as dense

00:32:374 - map this part like this one instead 00:36:416 - since this one follows the rhythm better done

00:48:851 (1,2) - could be slightly angled into or away from eachother for a e s t h e t i c s but it's fine like this did something i guess

You only told me to mod 3 lowest diffs so mod turned our pretty short as the map is already really polished, hope it's enough to help Message me ingame if I messed something up or you don't understand something. Good luck!

thank you for the mod!

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Kyuukai 2017-04-24T15:48:28+00:00

xChorse wrote:
Hello, m4m from my queue.

Kyuukai's Basic
01:27:089 (2) - Move this down a bit, right now it looks less smooth than all other patterns because of the sharp angle the sliderend makes

01:43:566 (1,2,3) - This rhythm is unexpected and at the very end of the map. I'd suggest doing something like this: http://puu.sh/vuu6A/e37b584059.png because the slider would end on a weak sound 01:43:877 - and you already introduced this rhythm before: 00:41:390 - so the player would expect it.

01:48:540 (1) - sliderend could be replaced with a hitcircle due to 01:49:162 - being a rather strong sound.

fixed all

lo

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iYiyo

1,107 posts

Joined January 2014

iYiyo 2017-04-28T23:43:24+00:00

Hello. M4M here

Gonna go through the 3 lowest diff then.

[General]

Uncheck widescreen support on every diff for consistency

[Advanced]
00:02:996 (4) - Tbh I don't really see why this slider is a reverse instead of a 1/1 like 00:02:374 (3) - Right now feels like a bit off in terms of rhythm D: Idk... I really can't explain myself good here, but what I'd suggest is to follow something like https://puu.sh/vzpY2/55883aa116.jpg this.
00:24:913 (3,4) - The rhythm chosen for this part isn't very accurate imo. First of all you're skipping a very important beat 00:25:224 - here. Why not doing something similar as with 00:27:711 (3,4) - these? Something like https://puu.sh/vzqqY/a5ba2d62dc.jpg would work better imo
01:20:250 (4) - add clap

[Standard]
00:17:141 (2,3,4,5) - Having so much clickable objects on a row for a weak part like this doesn't really feel/plays good imo. Why not 00:17:763 (4,5) - ctrl+g the rhythm here? Starting the downbeat with a slider would give more emphasis and also break all this circle chain
01:01:519 - Why are you mapping that sections with claps? I mean it's very awkward to have them just there, while you skip the next ones (01:02:219 - 01:02:841 - 01:03:462 - ) It really feels out of place. Also the effect of the hitsounds can confuse players and think the slider end there instead of the real slidertail. So yeah, on the very first part the usage of these hitsounds is better because you normally map the claps.
01:30:509 (2,3) - maybe give them a curved shape? After coming from 01:29:887 (1) - this linear slider, it feels like there're too much linear shapes lol

[Kyuukai's Basic]
Why CS 3.5? I mean it'd be way better to correlate the CS with the difficulty as a whole. In that way I'd recommend you to lower the CS to 3~
01:06:882 (2,3) - improve blanket
01:48:540 (1,2) - maybe end with a slider reverse? Similar as 00:48:851 (1) -
01:42:167 (3,4,5) - Here you're skipping the main sounds of the music imo which are 01:42:478 - 01:42:789 - 01:43:100 - . I mean I say it because you're emphasizing these sounds when you start with 01:42:167 - this. So yeah I highly recommend you to rearrange this section because right now it isn't following the stronger melody/sound of this section.

[Realinada's Another]
00:09:835 (2,3) - Would be better to increase the DS a bit here since 00:09:991 (3) - isn't getting emphasizing as it should be.
00:41:701 (2,2) - maybe stack
01:45:820 - 01:45:975 - why you don't map the stream here? I mean they're as clear as other streams so yeah. Feels kinda inconsistent D:

[Hyper]
01:42:633 - I know you're trying to emphasize the ... trumpet?... with those sliders, but I do believe that skipping this strong beat isn't the best idea. Mainly because you're mapping 01:42:012 (5) - and that isn't following trumpet at all. So yeah it feels very empty if you don't map it correctly imo D:

Hope this helps a bit. GL!

Realazy

Elite Mapper

1,004 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Realazy 2017-04-29T00:08:34+00:00

iYiyo wrote:
Hello. M4M here

Gonna go through the 3 lowest diff then. that's more than the 3 lowest LOL

[General]
Uncheck widescreen support on every diff for consistency ehh it's not really necessary but ok

[Advanced]
00:02:996 (4) - Tbh I don't really see why this slider is a reverse instead of a 1/1 like 00:02:374 (3) - Right now feels like a bit off in terms of rhythm D: Idk... I really can't explain myself good here, but what I'd suggest is to follow something like https://puu.sh/vzpY2/55883aa116.jpg this. uhhh i'm hearing only 2 sounds on 3 while this has 3 synth sounds, with the first and last one sounding similar so a reverse slider lets me map all 3 sounds and catch the drum here
00:24:913 (3,4) - The rhythm chosen for this part isn't very accurate imo. First of all you're skipping a very important beat 00:25:224 - here. Why not doing something similar as with 00:27:711 (3,4) - these? Something like https://puu.sh/vzqqY/a5ba2d62dc.jpg would work better imo done
01:20:250 (4) - add clap forgot this one, thanks

[Standard]
00:17:141 (2,3,4,5) - Having so much clickable objects on a row for a weak part like this doesn't really feel/plays good imo. Why not 00:17:763 (4,5) - ctrl+g the rhythm here? Starting the downbeat with a slider would give more emphasis and also break all this circle chain sounds good, fixed
01:01:519 - Why are you mapping that sections with claps? I mean it's very awkward to have them just there, while you skip the next ones (01:02:219 - 01:02:841 - 01:03:462 - ) It really feels out of place. Also the effect of the hitsounds can confuse players and think the slider end there instead of the real slidertail. So yeah, on the very first part the usage of these hitsounds is better because you normally map the claps. removed all slidertick hitsounds for this part
01:30:509 (2,3) - maybe give them a curved shape? After coming from 01:29:887 (1) - this linear slider, it feels like there're too much linear shapes lol ehh i curved 1 a bit

[Realinada's Another]
01:45:820 - 01:45:975 - why you don't map the stream here? I mean they're as clear as other streams so yeah. Feels kinda inconsistent D: i don't hear any notes there though

[Hyper]
01:42:633 - I know you're trying to emphasize the ... trumpet?... with those sliders, but I do believe that skipping this strong beat isn't the best idea. Mainly because you're mapping 01:42:012 (5) - and that isn't following trumpet at all. So yeah it feels very empty if you don't map it correctly imo D: fixed

Hope this helps a bit. GL!

thank you for the mod!

Linada

994 posts

Joined November 2014

Linada 2017-04-29T00:14:44+00:00

00:09:835 (2,3) - Would be better to increase the DS a bit here since 00:09:991 (3) - isn't getting emphasizing as it should be. but the sound is getting quiter here :<
00:41:701 (2,2) - maybe stack fixde stack

tahkns for mod !

un sorcier noir

osu file format v14

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Tags:Kyuukai yaleufeu Arrival Linada plus french petit march colette groovin'!! bemani tomosuke crimm konami white funaki 舟木智介 くりむ Upper
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Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Kyuukai 2017-04-29T01:01:03+00:00

iYiyo wrote:
[Kyuukai's Basic]
[*]Why CS 3.5? I mean it'd be way better to correlate the CS with the difficulty as a whole. In that way I'd recommend you to lower the CS to 3~ guess I have to since standard diff has cs3
[*]01:06:882 (2,3) - improve blanket done
[*]01:48:540 (1,2) - maybe end with a slider reverse? Similar as 00:48:851 (1) - nah, that note 01:49:162 (2) - fills up a very strong note similar to a finish hitsound, that's why I've decided to put a circle instead of making a reverse
[*]01:42:167 (3,4,5) - Here you're skipping the main sounds of the music imo which are 01:42:478 - 01:42:789 - 01:43:100 - . I mean I say it because you're emphasizing these sounds when you start with 01:42:167 - this. So yeah I highly recommend you to rearrange this section because right now it isn't following the stronger melody/sound of this section. I don't really see any inconveniences on it D:

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sheela

2,651 posts

Joined October 2011

sheela 2017-05-05T00:55:07+00:00

[General]

00:10:923 - This beat is very suitable for a drum-sampleset clap. I recommend you to add it throughout the mapset.

[Kyuukai's Basic]

00:05:638 (2) - 00:08:126 (2) - Remove the whistles to stay consistent with the other difficulties.
00:39:524 (2) - Tiny minor detail; the space between 00:38:903 (1,2) - is a bit smaller than the regular spacing, so you can move (2) a little further from (1).
01:42:012 (2,3) - I don't recommend stacking 1/2 rhythm because this is the only time it has been done in this difficulty, which can be less intuitive to beginners. And a stack can hinder readability too. You will have replace it with a rhythm like 01:43:566 (1,2,3) - to avoid this problematic.

[Standard]

00:04:084 (1) - 00:06:571 (1) - 00:09:058 (1) - Their heads don't have the finish hitsound as in your other difficulties, so it made me think that this is intended because of something.
00:42:478 (2) - 00:44:965 (2) - 00:47:452 (2) - Because you trigger soft-hitclap on the last slidertick of those sliders, I thought th sliders ended there instead. The emphasis is close to the tail, which I think the slider tail suits better in this case to not bring confusion, and maybe have a circle on the next white tick: https://puu.sh/vFU8L/48e7939c64.png

[Advanced]

Some of the manual stacks are not visually pleasing to me to be honest. Like 00:06:416 (6,1) - 00:18:851 (1,2) - 00:23:825 (1,2) - 00:25:224 (4,5) - 00:27:711 (3,4) - and etc. If I were you I'd rather to automate the stacks.
00:44:499 (2) - This touches a tiny bit the HP bar.
01:29:732 (4) - I feel that you can emphasize 01:30:664 (6,7,1) - if the slider had a repeat. The circle felt like a burden to the gameplay because you have to release your key after the slider and after the circle to get to (6), while having the repeated slider makes the player to hold long then short-presses the 1/2 rhythm.

Ok, call me back.

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Kyuukai 2017-05-05T01:05:15+00:00

sheela wrote:

[Kyuukai's Basic]

00:05:638 (2) - 00:08:126 (2) - Remove the whistles to stay consistent with the other difficulties.
00:39:524 (2) - Tiny minor detail; the space between 00:38:903 (1,2) - is a bit smaller than the regular spacing, so you can move (2) a little further from (1).
01:42:012 (2,3) - I don't recommend stacking 1/2 rhythm because this is the only time it has been done in this difficulty, which can be less intuitive to beginners. And a stack can hinder readability too. You will have replace it with a rhythm like 01:43:566 (1,2,3) - to avoid this problematic.

Everything fixed up

Sleeping

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: 10.Dormir - Une mage blanche.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 2000
PreviewTime: 80561
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

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DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 2
GridSize: 32
TimelineZoom: 1

[Metadata]
Title:Une mage blanche
TitleUnicode:Une mage blanche
Artist:Dormir
ArtistUnicode:Dormir
Creator:Realazy
Version:Kyuukai's Basic
Source:REFLEC BEAT limelight
Tags:Kyuukai yaleufeu Arrival Linada plus french petit march colette groovin'!! bemani tomosuke crimm konami white funaki 舟木智介 くりむ Upper
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Realazy

Elite Mapper

1,004 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Realazy 2017-05-05T18:12:57+00:00

well all fixed again, thank you

sheela

2,651 posts

Joined October 2011

sheela 2017-05-06T17:50:07+00:00

[Hyper]

00:11:234 (5) - Forgotten the drum-sampleset.

and you didn't apply my two last suggestions in Advanced despite you said you fixed all

call me back again

Realazy

Elite Mapper

1,004 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Realazy 2017-05-06T19:28:53+00:00

woops forgot those since i was so focused on manual stacks, my bad

i changed that pattern in hyper a bit but the drum sampleset shouldn't be on that note according to your previous post, so i changed it to make it clickable

sheela

2,651 posts

Joined October 2011

sheela 2017-05-07T00:58:05+00:00

oops I thought you forgot the hitsound but it was there all along lol

anyway here's your bub back

Aurele

osu! Alumni

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Joined January 2011

Aurele 2017-05-08T00:31:32+00:00

wooo

Pentori

1,157 posts

Joined November 2015

Pentori 2017-05-15T09:54:35+00:00

sry for delay
[Kyuukai's Basic]
tbh this difficulty doesn't seem like a solution at all. the rhythm is barely any different to standard and the only thing that has really changed is the sv

things like 00:42:012 (2,3) - 01:41:701 (2,3) - should be avoided/simplified, it really doesn't seem fair to force 1/2 patterns onto newer players at this bpm
your rhythms mainly consist of 1/1 gaps with occasional 1/2s, while your goal should be to map a mix of 2/1s as 1/1s as i specified in my last mod. not every sound needs to be mapped

sections like 00:31:442 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - just feel way to slider reliant and dense, while your kiai 01:21:183 (1,2,3,4) - begins with a surprisingly simple rhythm, causing the overall structure to be a bit strange

[Advanced]
i still can't understand the rhythms here, i really dislike the prioritisation of red ticks

00:02:063 (2,3) - rhythm makes it really unclear as to what is more important. on 00:02:374 (3) - you are clicking such a weak beat yet it skips over a snare 00:02:530 - and passively maps the kick drum + melody on 00:02:685
00:02:996 (4) - ^ similar to above, it would make more sense for the end to be clicked as it's what is accented in the music
00:03:618 (5,6) - a ctrl g'ed version of the rhythm would be so much more appropriate. 00:03:773 - is such a strong sound, and hitsounded that way too, yet is the only object here that isn't clicked.

for the beginning i'd suggest a base rhythm like https://puu.sh/vQxl0/f5d91f907a.jpg that works with the main drums and gives some attention to those offbeat rhythms

00:18:851 (1) - moving this half a beat back would work a lot better with the snare. the vocal doesn't seem worthy of being prioritised as it makes the downbeat feel much weaker
00:20:250 (1) - doesnt need an nc
00:23:825 (1) - 00:27:866 (4,1) - same thing with these, you should try mapping the snare and downbeat
00:30:198 (5) - the melody change is on 00:30:820 - while the reverse represents something different, try work ur rhythms around those

01:21:649 (2,3) - 01:24:136 (2,3) - 01:26:623 (2,3) - etc. doesnt make any sense to be mapping these beats. i think u should reconsider these as the white ticks are much stronger
01:43:255 - 01:45:742 - 01:48:229 - could fill in these snares, i dont see a good reason to leave them empty

[Realinada's Another]
00:02:063 (3,4,5) - 00:04:550 (3,4,5) - 00:07:037 (3,4,5) - these rhythms don't really represent the music too well. having the 1/2 slider at 00:02:063 - instead would do a better job at representing the red tick melodies, since right now 00:02:063 (3,4) - are mapped to be the same. this would also let u map 00:02:374 (5) - as two circles to allow 00:02:530 - to be clicked
00:03:618 (4,1,2) - 00:06:105 (4,1,2) - shouldn't these type of sounds be grouped together in one combo?
00:25:379 (2,3) - breaks the consistency with how you previously used extended sliders. also skips over a pretty audible snare 00:25:535 - so i dont see a need to do this
00:29:576 (4,5,6) - ^ extended slider usage also seems a bit random
01:02:996 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:05:483 (3,4,5,6,7) - i reckon u should try employ variations of this rhythm. i dont spamming quintuplets represents the intensity that well, as they are somewhat difficult to play while the music is still generally calm

its a decent set, but the lower difficulties really bring it down. going to pop for now until something gets done about lower diffs

Linada

994 posts

Joined November 2014

Linada 2017-05-15T11:00:38+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[Realinada's Another]
00:02:063 (3,4,5) - 00:04:550 (3,4,5) - 00:07:037 (3,4,5) - these rhythms don't really represent the music too well. having the 1/2 slider at 00:02:063 - instead would do a better job at representing the red tick melodies, since right now 00:02:063 (3,4) - are mapped to be the same. this would also let u map 00:02:374 (5) - as two circles to allow 00:02:530 - to be clicked but i think my way is good actually, i'm just following the synth, i don't really want to make the snares clickables to make the synth stand out more, since they're a bit out of the melody
00:03:618 (4,1,2) - 00:06:105 (4,1,2) - shouldn't these type of sounds be grouped together in one combo? i could've done that but i think this way it emphasize the snares better
00:25:379 (2,3) - breaks the consistency with how you previously used extended sliders. also skips over a pretty audible snare 00:25:535 - so i dont see a need to do this fixed
00:29:576 (4,5,6) - ^ extended slider usage also seems a bit random fixed

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Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Kyuukai 2017-05-15T11:01:45+00:00

Pentori wrote:
sry for delay
[Kyuukai's Basic]
tbh this difficulty doesn't seem like a solution at all. the rhythm is barely any different to standard and the only thing that has really changed is the sv

things like 00:42:012 (2,3) - 01:41:701 (2,3) - should be avoided/simplified, it really doesn't seem fair to force 1/2 patterns onto newer players at this bpm
your rhythms mainly consist of 1/1 gaps with occasional 1/2s, while your goal should be to map a mix of 2/1s as 1/1s as i specified in my last mod. not every sound needs to be mapped

sections like 00:31:442 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - just feel way to slider reliant and dense, while your kiai 01:21:183 (1,2,3,4) - begins with a surprisingly simple rhythm, causing the overall structure to be a bit strange

I thought Realazy was asking me to do a Normal, then I realized that he actually asked me a Easy lmao
I nerfed all 1/2's, and simplified the rhythm (even tho it didn't even lowered the SR wtf)

wat

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Realazy

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Realazy 2017-05-15T17:34:40+00:00

all fixed from me except the last point on Another, i think the hihats are clearly audible and the map's rhythms are simple enough to keep them as quintuplets instead of 1/4 slider shenanigans + they add a little variety to that part rather than consistently play a mix of 1/2 and 1/1 which is already present in most of the song anyway

Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-05-29T06:02:08+00:00

Going through Pentori's mod, I can agree that rhythms on Advanced need work. I probably went through the map too fast last time I modded this xD.

Advanced

00:02:219 - Stuff like this should be clickable imo. It's following the main melody of the song. Same with 00:02:685 - .

Try this rhythm first

^The rhythm I recommended can be swapped and interchanged regularly, but essentially, those ticks that I mapped to a slider-head should be clickable.

Examples of ways to variate the rhythm

I would recommend using this rhythm structure, and considering the main melody rather than just saying that the current rhythm maps to "something". Yes, there are hihats so your rhythm is "musically supported" but the rhythm itself doesn't actually reflect the song's melody currently.

Standard

The problem with this diff's intro is that you use rhythms that are too simple, like 00:01:597 (1) - . and because of that, you aren't able to properly shift to red-tick polarity which is what this song demands. The song isn't entirely white tick based. There are a lot of red tick rhythms so it's not a very "Easy-friendly" song to map.
For 00:01:597 - i recommend at least trying out this rhythm:

~

If you like it, it can be replicated for the other rhythms in the section.

[]

It's just the intro I think... It looks like you applied Pentori's suggestions pretty well for the other sections, since I don't have a problem with them anymore.

I guess, try and apply my suggestions if you think they fit. If you apply them, i think you can poke Pentori and see if the changes you made are good enough for a rebubble. Good luck~

Realazy

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Realazy 2017-05-29T15:19:53+00:00

yeah I like these more than pentori's suggestions here, hopefully this is good enough now lol

thanks!

Pentori

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Pentori 2017-05-30T08:14:28+00:00

looking back at standard and advanced, the rhythms do seem to be more solid now

though it seems i was misunderstood regarding the 2/1 and 1/1 gaps in basic, as it is still very 1/1 heavy
when i say "gap" i'm referring to how it needs more of these (or something of the sort)

as monstrata said, it's not very easy-friendly due to the high density of the music and therefore you'll need to filter out some sounds to map the most prominent beats, suitable to the difficulty type
[]
another thing worth mentioning is your usage of slider tick hitsounds. consider reducing the volume of the slider ticks so they don't provide the same feedback as clickable objects, ~50-60% is fine. alternatively you could just lower the vol of the .wav file

this is almost ready, and i very much respect your patience and cool-temper
feel free to call me back for a recheck

Kyuukai

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Kyuukai 2017-05-30T11:19:13+00:00

changed some things on my diff xdd

Pentori

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Pentori 2017-05-31T15:07:59+00:00

argh, now the rhythms in basic are really strange. i only really requested for the removal of a few white tick beats to have more resting points for players, the transition to offbeat rhythms wasn't really necessary..

00:01:597 - 00:11:545 - this part is fine
00:12:789 (2,3) - 00:15:276 (2,3) - 00:17:763 (2,3) - these dont follow the music very well, in all cases the stronger beat is on 00:13:721 - which gets ignored and instead the weaker beat gets clicked 00:13:566 (3) . you should try move the red tick circles to the white ticks 00:16:208 - so they aren't left out
00:32:685 (2) - 00:37:659 (2) - since you are following the melodies with the slider end of 00:32:063 - then this should be mapped 00:32:530 . switching tracks too often leads to confusing rhythms. here you could do something like http://puu.sh/w6CB5/b22c011a53.jpg
01:01:286 - 01:21:183 - the rhythms used in this section are too inconsistent, the 2/1 slider 01:01:286 (1) - appears to be following drums as it skips over the melody 01:01:752 - but then the following sliders 01:02:374 (2,3) - switch to the melody. try this if you want to follow the melodies or something like this for drums

alternatively you could just revert back to your old diff, using variations of this rhythm wouldve been fine, and you wouldn't of had to follow the offbeats as much

if any of this doesn't make sense or you want to discuss more, then feel free to poke me ingame. i dont want to keep getting this wrong xD

sheela

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sheela 2017-06-03T04:14:21+00:00

nothing major had to be changed and everything looks fine.

let's (re)goooo

Pentori

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Pentori 2017-06-04T07:38:37+00:00

woo

Arrival

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Arrival 2017-06-04T08:42:53+00:00

Exceptionnel

Kyuukai

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Kyuukai 2017-06-04T10:34:54+00:00

Skype x Cancan senpai is going to rank smth else hoyl

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Aurele 2017-06-09T02:26:55+00:00

holy shit what

Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-06-11T13:27:17+00:00

Hello, I would like to point out an existing issue of rest moment insufficiency in Muzukashii.

[Arrival's Muzukashii]

00:31:752 (145,146) - consider deleting these notes and adding d at 00:32:063 - for a 2/1 break ? Currently the pattern chain is quite long from 00:00:354 to 00:49:473 - , lacking rest moments in between for intermediate players to take a rest.
00:36:727 (169,170) - same suggestion as ^
From 00:51:338 to 01:01:286 - you may try to make this part sparser to give an impact for the next musically more intense session. Current note density across the map is rather uniform, losing emphasis on specific parts.
01:19:006 (373,374) - same as 00:31:752 (145,146) - . Again, the pattern chain is even longer from 00:50:094 to 01:49:162 - that lasts for nearly one full minute, so a rest before the densely arranged kiai would be nice.

Arrival

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Arrival 2017-06-11T13:58:54+00:00

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:
Hello, I would like to point out an existing issue of rest moment insufficiency in Muzukashii.

[Arrival's Muzukashii]
00:31:752 (145,146) - consider deleting these notes and adding d at 00:32:063 - for a 2/1 break ? Currently the pattern chain is quite long from 00:00:354 to 00:49:473 - , lacking rest moments in between for intermediate players to rest. -
00:36:727 (169,170) - same suggestion as ^ -
From 00:51:338 to 01:01:286 - you may try to make this part sparser to give an impact for the next musically more intense session. Current note density across the map is rather uniform, losing emphasis on specific parts.
01:19:006 (373,374) - same as 00:31:752 (145,146) - . Again, the pattern chain is even longer from 00:50:094 to 01:49:162 - that lasts for nearly one full minute, so a rest before the densely arranged kiai would be nice.

Fixed everything and added more breaks

Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-06-11T14:02:26+00:00

Okay, here we go.

Realazy

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Realazy 2017-06-11T14:25:48+00:00

updated zzz

Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-06-11T15:54:35+00:00

A follow through mod upon Arrival's changes in Muzukashii. You may kudosu this post instead of p/6068152 due to exemption.

IRC mod with Arrival, June 11, 2017

21:56 Arrival: Hey, I fixed everything for the mod you made
21:57 Arrival: You can go ahead and DQ
21:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: Okay
21:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: Sorry for late check
21:58 Arrival: its okay

21:59 Arrival: will you be able to Requalify right away ?
22:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess no as the issues raised are not minor enough imo
22:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: will recheck and rebubble instead
22:01 Arrival: alright
22:05 Arrival: okay should be updated. feel free to poke me via IRC if you think more breaks should be added / more stuff changed
23:34 Nardoxyribonucleic: Mind an IRC now for the changes?
23:34 Arrival: sure thing
23:35 Arrival: okay so I basically fixed what you said and added some breaks here 01:20:561 -
23:36 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:01:131 (4,5) - maybe remove finish? A bit overemphasized in my opinion as background instrument is not significantly strong.
23:36 Arrival: i put the triplet before so it could make a 2/1 break before the kiai
23:36 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yes, noted.
23:36 Arrival: hm yeah ok
23:37 Arrival: also a break at the middle of the kiai 01:31:131 -
23:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:35:638 (163) - maybe delete this note to keep 1/2 pattern length similar to others in this session?
23:40 Arrival: alright
23:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: How about adding d and k at 01:20:716 - and 01:20:872 - respectively so that the part would not sound fragmented?
23:44 Arrival: yeah it didnt satisfy me either
23:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: I think that's all. Skimmed through the Oni and no big issue is found. You may call me again after updating the difficulty.
23:47 Arrival: sure !

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meii18 2017-06-11T16:18:24+00:00

have you fixed this one?

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