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Karen

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Karen 2016-11-10T13:36:54+00:00

Modded in-game, bubbled

2016-11-10 21:11 Karen: 00:55:832 (1,1) - stack hh
2016-11-10 21:12 Rumia-: ok hh
2016-11-10 21:12 Karen: 01:26:357 (7) - maybe move this up a bit
2016-11-10 21:12 Karen: it looks bad with 01:26:432 (1) -
2016-11-10 21:13 Karen: this
2016-11-10 21:13 Karen: dunno if you can get it hh
2016-11-10 21:13 Rumia-: http://puu.sh/sdw8Y.jpg
2016-11-10 21:13 Rumia-: like this?
2016-11-10 21:13 Karen: yes
2016-11-10 21:14 Rumia-: ok hh
2016-11-10 21:14 Karen: 01:59:957 (4,1) - overlap more or no overlap hh
2016-11-10 21:14 Karen: this is kinda ugly
2016-11-10 21:15 Rumia-: http://puu.sh/sdwd2.jpg this ok?
2016-11-10 21:15 Rumia-: if no overlap become too jb hhh
2016-11-10 21:15 Karen: 02:05:132 (1,2) - i think here should have claps too
2016-11-10 21:15 Karen: ok hh
2016-11-10 21:16 Rumia-: the (2) dont suit with clap i think
2016-11-10 21:16 Rumia-: add at 1
2016-11-10 21:16 Rumia-: i put whistle sounds more reasonable
2016-11-10 21:16 Karen: hmm
2016-11-10 21:16 Karen: ok ok
2016-11-10 21:17 Karen: all nazi things hh
2016-11-10 21:17 Karen: poor modder
2016-11-10 21:17 Rumia-: hh its good
2016-11-10 21:17 Rumia-: i always careless so nazi mod is really appreciated hhhh
2016-11-10 21:17 Karen: 02:24:182 (1,2,3) - the spacing change feels not good hh
2016-11-10 21:18 Karen: also maybe ctrl+g 02:24:482 (2) - this
2016-11-10 21:18 Karen: make the head closer to 02:24:182 (1) - the slider tail
2016-11-10 21:18 Karen: less chance of choke
2016-11-10 21:18 Rumia-: ij ij ctrk g
2016-11-10 21:18 Rumia-: ok ok ctrl g*
2016-11-10 21:18 Karen: ilil
2016-11-10 21:19 Karen: 02:48:932 - all something here?
2016-11-10 21:19 Karen: add*
2016-11-10 21:20 Karen: 02:50:432 - highly recommend to make it clickable
2016-11-10 21:20 Rumia-: ok hh
2016-11-10 21:21 Rumia-: but 02:48:932 - keep
2016-11-10 21:21 Rumia-: 02:50:432 (2) - add
2016-11-10 21:21 Karen: okok
2016-11-10 21:21 Rumia-: i need to add at all diff after this hh
2016-11-10 21:22 Karen: are you sure there're no unused hitsounds?
2016-11-10 21:22 Karen: like normal-hitclap2.wav
2016-11-10 21:22 Karen: where is it used
2016-11-10 21:23 Rumia-: oh shit hh
2016-11-10 21:23 Rumia-: i changed the sample before i forgot to alter this hh
2016-11-10 21:24 Rumia-: ok delete clap 2
2016-11-10 21:24 Rumia-: because i rehitsound the whole diff hhhhh
2016-11-10 21:24 Karen: normal-hitnormal2.wav
2016-11-10 21:24 Karen: this one?
2016-11-10 21:24 Rumia-: there have
2016-11-10 21:25 Rumia-: 03:14:432 (1) - this part
2016-11-10 21:25 Karen: ok
2016-11-10 21:25 Rumia-: 02:25:532 (2) - and this part
2016-11-10 21:25 Rumia-: sample 2 only use hitnormal
2016-11-10 21:25 Karen: 00:48:932 (1) - the hitnormal sound is too noisy
2016-11-10 21:26 Rumia-: hhh
2016-11-10 21:26 Rumia-: ok reduce to 30%
2016-11-10 21:26 Karen: okok
2016-11-10 21:26 Karen: last thing of this diff
2016-11-10 21:26 Karen: why is it ar9,4
2016-11-10 21:26 Karen: most maps are 9,3 or 9,5
2016-11-10 21:27 Rumia-: idk hh
2016-11-10 21:27 Karen: triggered
2016-11-10 21:27 Rumia-: cuz its comfortable with ar9.4
2016-11-10 21:27 Rumia-: i tested 9.3 and 9.6
2016-11-10 21:27 Karen: okok
2016-11-10 21:27 Rumia-: havent try 9.5
2016-11-10 21:27 Rumia-: tho
2016-11-10 21:27 Rumia-: out of 3 of this ar 9.4 is the best to play so yea
2016-11-10 21:28 Karen: ok no other issues i think
2016-11-10 21:29 Rumia-: ok
2016-11-10 21:29 Rumia-: let me fix the hitsound issues in all diff
2016-11-10 21:29 Rumia-: wait a while
2016-11-10 21:29 Karen: ok
2016-11-10 21:29 Karen: then update
2016-11-10 21:29 Karen: tell me when done
2016-11-10 21:33 Rumia-: ok update
2016-11-10 21:34 Karen: ok

Rumia-

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Topic Starter

Rumia- 2016-11-10T13:37:35+00:00

thank you!

Naxess

Nomination Assessment Team

390 posts

Joined March 2016

Naxess 2016-11-10T21:56:24+00:00

Naxess wrote:
There are unused hitsounds, consider removing them if they're not going to be used.

@unusedhitsound , dont trust AiMod because it is somehow buggy , there are no unused hitsound

2016-11-10 21:22 Karen: are you sure there're no unused hitsounds?
2016-11-10 21:22 Karen: like normal-hitclap2.wav
2016-11-10 21:22 Karen: where is it used
2016-11-10 21:23 Rumia-: oh shit hh
2016-11-10 21:23 Rumia-: i changed the sample before i forgot to alter this hh
2016-11-10 21:24 Rumia-: ok delete clap 2
2016-11-10 21:24 Rumia-: because i rehitsound the whole diff hhhhh
2016-11-10 21:24 Karen: normal-hitnormal2.wav
2016-11-10 21:24 Karen: this one?
2016-11-10 21:24 Rumia-: there have
2016-11-10 21:25 Rumia-: 03:14:432 (1) - this part
2016-11-10 21:25 Karen: ok
2016-11-10 21:25 Rumia-: 02:25:532 (2) - and this part
2016-11-10 21:25 Rumia-: sample 2 only use hitnormal

normal-hitnormal2 is actually never used, and is as such an unused file. I looked through the mapset for all sections with S:C2, since N:C2 didn't exist, and found that nothing is overridden to the normal sampleset within their effect. The only hitnormal being used in these sections is soft-hitnormal2.wav. Check carefully before assuming that the programs are buggy, you never know what you might've missed that the programs didn't.

Ranking Criteria - Audio wrote:
There must not be any unused files in the map's folder except for the map's .osb file (since they sometimes get added even if the map doesn't have a storyboard) and storyboard .thumb files (since they are automatically created in image directories). Unused files add extra file size which is unnecessary.

While we're at it I'd like to bring up some points for reconsideration.

Naxess wrote:
The length of drum-hitwhistle.wav is considerably larger than what the sound suggests. As seen here and here, more than 80% of this sound is silence. I'd recommend you cut the file as soon as it goes below -40 dB. This is for the sake of filesize and execution time.
Rumia- wrote:
@drum-whistle is fine because its a custom sound
It being a custom hitsound does not justify the excessive length of the file. It still adds unnecessary file size and should as such be treated as equal importance to the issue of unused files.
Naxess wrote:
The event is "春M3". Consider adding this to your tags. Refer to AcuticNotes' official page.
Rumia- wrote:
@tags those tags people arent even using to search and its so trouble some so didnt add
I can agree that some of them might not be used for searching, but consider at least adding the event itself. There are plenty of other songs from this event that are being mapped in osu, so being able to categorize them wouldn't hurt.
Naxess wrote:
There's a large amount of additions that don't actually do anything. Additions only apply to added hitsounds, unlike samplesets, which apply to hitnormals as well. You may have missed adding a hitsound on it or similar.
Lastly, it seems like some unnecessary additions were missed, I'll just copy what my program printed here for convenience. This is for the sake of reducing hitsounding inconsistency.
Consider changing them to samplesets if that's what you intended for them to be.
unnecessary additions

00:27:932 - 00:43:532 - 01:13:532 - 01:14:732 - 01:15:931 - 01:17:732 - 01:19:532 - 01:25:382 - 01:30:182 - 01:38:882 - 01:43:682 - 01:48:632 - 01:49:832 - 02:03:032 - 02:06:782 - 02:07:382 - 02:07:982 - 02:08:582 - 02:10:832 - 02:13:382 - 02:16:982 - 02:17:282 - 02:17:582 - 02:18:182 - 02:19:682 - 02:20:582 - 02:22:082 - 03:01:232 - 03:01:682 - 03:01:982 - 03:03:782 - 03:04:382 - 03:04:982 - 03:05:582 - 03:06:482 - 03:22:682 - 03:23:132 - 03:25:232 - 03:25:382 - 03:25:532 - 03:27:482 - 03:27:932 - 03:30:032 - 03:30:182 - 03:30:332 - 03:32:282 - 03:32:732 - 03:34:832 - 03:34:982 - 03:37:082 - 03:37:532 -

Still don't agree with some of the rhythm choices, but I guess we'll see what the others have to say.

Recheck, so no kds.

Rumia-

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Topic Starter

Rumia- 2016-11-11T03:26:39+00:00

normal-hitnormal2 is actually never used, and is as such an unused file.
back to your mod post this is what you should post instead of unclear ( which i had no idea which sound i didnt use because i swear i did use them all but i changed halfway because of the i found easierway to sample those . and ranking criteria which i already knew about it since i start mapping in 2012 which making it more unhelpful.

drum hitwhistle -> if u just want to point out thing without solution then dont , if you can cut them , do cut for me. these dont really affect anything at all tbh if its about less than 1mb why would it matter. anyhow i would just ask if anyone knew how to do this anyway.

your mod always have unnecessary stuffs that i dont think its helpful which i think you need to improve your wording for your future modding.
get straight to the point is more helpful then tonnes of word explaining unnecessary things which dont get me anywhere
still those tags dont matter to me since it usefor searching songs which most of people would already know an= acutic notes. people dont know what is acl 007 and usually they dont search up by event to get thins song which i think making it more unnecessary.

i will check on those sampleset again ( pretty sure i already fix most of them the other day) when the next bn come

Naxess

Nomination Assessment Team

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Joined March 2016

Naxess 2016-11-11T12:51:23+00:00

I realized earlier that I forgot to mention which file was unused, but this would be relatively easy to deduce on your own, with the use of modding assistant programs, which are useful for both mappers as well as modders. This is what I mostly use.
It will literally tell you these things.

The attitude to make the modders do all the work for you isn't good. You are the creator of the beatmap and you're the one responsible for making sure it is of high quality, both map-wise as well as file-wise. Modders will tell you what you can improve and in what way, but their purpose isn't to do it for you (unless the mapper is incapable of doing it themselves, which I don't believe you are).

Here's the cut version.

As a modder, I will point out what the issue is, why I believe it to be an issue and how the issue could be solved. Communication is vital in modding. If the mapper doesn't understand your point, they may change it in a way that isn't preferable. That's why I explain it thoroughly. I'll agree that not all things are necessary, because sometimes I'll mention something solely for the sake of checking whether it was intentional or not.

Rumia- wrote:
and ranking criteria which i already knew about it since i start mapping in 2012 which making it more unhelpful.

In general, if someone knows about the Ranking Criteria then it wouldn't be very likely that the beatmap in question has any unrankable issues in the first place. Quoting the RC is merely a safety precaution to avoid misunderstandings. I won't cater my mods towards whether the person mapping has been mapping since 2012 or 2016; if there is something to be addressed about the map, it will often be addressed in the same way, regardless of who the mapper is.

Either way, this mapset must be popped and/or rebubbled due to

BNG Rules wrote:
If a bubbled map contains unrankable issues, its bubble must be popped. To ensure a map has no other unrankable issues, it’s best for another nominator to examine the map once again.

Rumia-

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Topic Starter

Rumia- 2016-11-11T14:18:11+00:00

i didnt ask you to do everything , i said straight to the point , not questioning the problem, theres no doubt your explaination is wonderful but too much words makes people fed up , keep it simple and on point is the best way to get mutual agreement and understanding, not a long argue-seem-like replies.
i have nothin againts your modding method im just suggesting you to improve your way of delivering your mods clearer.

about the hitsound i really dont know how to cut or do anything about it thats why i asked.
hey everybody makes mistake , i think ive said already when i hitsound i changed the sample number halfway and i forgot to remove the old one. and yes that is my mistake and i think i replied like days ago why didnt u say anything until bn came and check (?) but your recent reply is so fast

anyway thanks for cutting the hitsound and the assistant tool , i am seriously never knew about it. which i couldnt check unused file.
currently in contact with ~~Karen ill check with him once again ~.~~
i think the bubble pop isnt necessary since i can clearly tell the next bn theres something i fix ( just send them new osz.) can be considered i think.
since its just to ease the next bn to check and i can assure no more unrankable stuffs happening inside the mapset to the qualifier
also decided just to add those tags i hope you are now relieved.

Last edited by Rumia- 2016-11-11T15:44:47+00:00, edited 6 times in total.

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-11-11T14:24:11+00:00

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I was mid-post explaining why Naxess' fixes should be applied, but I guess it's not needed now. xD

Rumia- wrote:
i think the bubble pop isnt necessary since i can clearly tell the next bn theres something i fix ( just send them new osz.) can be considered i think.
since its just to ease the next bn to check and i can assure no more unrankable stuffs happening inside the mapset already

Only intended to do this if it wasn't fixed by the next BN. :p (Before qualification.)

Karen

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Joined August 2013

Karen 2016-11-11T15:05:23+00:00

Everything should be fine now, rebubbled

Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2016-11-12T17:26:32+00:00

IRC mod

2016-11-13 00:38 Kencho: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1100091 An - Saigo [Final]]
2016-11-13 00:38 Kencho: 02:05:282 - kiai should be end at here?
2016-11-13 00:39 Rumia-: oh ur right
2016-11-13 00:42 Kencho: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1110572 An - Saigo [Stella's Medium]]
2016-11-13 00:42 Kencho: 00:51:632 (1) - DS a bit off
2016-11-13 00:43 Kencho: maybe you can ask him to fix?
2016-11-13 00:43 Kencho: or you help him to fix
2016-11-13 00:43 Kencho: 01:52:982 (1) - also
2016-11-13 00:43 Rumia-: i can help i think
2016-11-13 00:43 Rumia-: since just ds off
2016-11-13 00:43 Kencho: ok
2016-11-13 00:44 Rumia-: o this how do
2016-11-13 00:44 Rumia-: xD
2016-11-13 00:44 Rumia-: 1.8 1.2 idk XD
2016-11-13 00:44 Kencho: 1.8x lol
2016-11-13 00:44 Rumia-: lolol
2016-11-13 00:45 Kencho: http://puu.sh/sfP0W/d55cc2d91a.jpg
2016-11-13 00:45 Kencho: something like that
2016-11-13 00:47 Rumia-: ok somehow i fix it
2016-11-13 00:48 Kencho: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1107450 An - Saigo [Advanced]]
2016-11-13 00:49 Kencho: 02:47:282 (3,1) - stack
2016-11-13 00:49 Kencho: lol
2016-11-13 00:49 Rumia-: fixed lol
2016-11-13 00:50 Kencho: 01:38:432 (5,1) - Idk these NCs are on purpose?
2016-11-13 00:51 Kencho: if not then it should be NC on every white tick
2016-11-13 00:52 Rumia-: o actually because of the change of instrument
2016-11-13 00:52 Rumia-: shud i revert to the white tick ? o.o
2016-11-13 00:52 Rumia-: 01:48:332 (1) - this is same too
2016-11-13 00:53 Kencho: I prefer NC on white tick beacause of other diffs such as Another and Hyper
2016-11-13 00:53 Kencho: because*
2016-11-13 00:54 Rumia-: ok
2016-11-13 00:54 Rumia-: change nc then xD
2016-11-13 00:54 Kencho: xD check carefully
2016-11-13 00:55 Kencho: 02:10:682 (4) - 02:11:732 (1,2) - 
2016-11-13 00:55 Rumia-: fixed
2016-11-13 00:56 Kencho: 03:01:232 (5) - these part also fixed?
2016-11-13 00:57 Rumia-: fixed
2016-11-13 00:57 Rumia-: fixed until 03:11:882 (1) -
2016-11-13 00:57 Kencho: great
2016-11-13 00:58 Kencho: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1100763 An - Saigo [Hyper]]
2016-11-13 00:58 Kencho: 00:59:132 (2) - here also
2016-11-13 00:58 Kencho: 01:06:032 (4) - 
2016-11-13 00:59 Rumia-: fixed
2016-11-13 01:00 Kencho: 03:27:032 (1,2) - 
2016-11-13 01:00 Kencho: 03:31:832 (1,2) - 
2016-11-13 01:01 Rumia-: fixed
2016-11-13 01:01 Kencho: Advanced also quite different
2016-11-13 01:01 Kencho: I prefer consistent them
2016-11-13 01:02 Kencho: 03:33:482 (3) - eg
2016-11-13 01:02 Rumia-: o yea..
2016-11-13 01:03 Rumia-: ok fixed
2016-11-13 01:03 Rumia-: along with the intro part
2016-11-13 01:03 Rumia-: cuz they are same
2016-11-13 01:04 Kencho: ok
2016-11-13 01:05 Kencho: fix NCs are troublesome lolol
2016-11-13 01:05 Rumia-: yea lolol
2016-11-13 01:05 Rumia-: cuz its affect around those
2016-11-13 01:14 Kencho: when you done then call me
2016-11-13 01:15 Rumia-: kk
2016-11-13 01:18 Rumia-: ok done
2016-11-13 01:18 Rumia-: update ??
2016-11-13 01:18 Kencho: yea
2016-11-13 01:18 Rumia-: kk
2016-11-13 01:19 Rumia-: updated