Had a bit of free time and went over the mod with energy
Also fixed some inconsistent hitsounds and added a few whistles cuz NRG sucks at using them :^)
@Sonnyc I don't agree with most of your mod I'm sorry. The idea behind the difficulty was for it to be a reading challenge for players of this skill level hence a lot of the stacks. Regarding consistency I'd say it's hardly so. A lot of the patterns are very consistent within each section such as the zig zags you mentioned and the changes in spacing in your first point. I nerfed a few jumps as well as the things mentioned in the IRC but for the most part it's the same. I don't agree with copy/pasting every single slider for "curve rate consistency" because it honestly doesn't matter all that much in play the impact is the same and frankly if that's the reason you think this map needs "a lot of work" then I just feel insulted. Please consider that every mapper has a style even when it comes to something as generic as a normal/hard. It may be different than the norm but it's in no way wrong and I hope you consider this when deciding whether or not to approve of my diff.
Edit 11/23: Okay got more time for a slightly more detailed reply
Regardless, thanks for the mod.
RLC
10:39 Side: tell me what you think should be changed
10:39 Nerova Riuz GX: christmas suck balls
10:40 Nerova Riuz GX: 00:14:757 (2,3) -
10:41 Nerova Riuz GX: 00:25:274 (3,1) - i might be triggered because of that overlap
10:41 Side: k I'll change the first
10:42 Side: don't hate on my overlap >:V
10:42 Nerova Riuz GX: 00:39:513 (3,4,5,1) - the zigzag is kinda...weird? at least for me it's not as good as the other ones
10:43 Nerova Riuz GX: 00:40:807 (3,4,5) - dont make the pattern too flat & curve that slider to another side
10:43 Nerova Riuz GX: will get the flow much better for sure
10:44 Side: the zig zag is my favorite ;-;
10:44 Nerova Riuz GX: 00:42:263 (4,5) - 100% natural weird looking for a hard lmao
10:44 Nerova Riuz GX: 00:46:956 (2,3,4,5) - this zigzag is better
10:45 Side: cuz its up and down the others are sideways ;(
10:46 Side: 00:42:101 (3,4,5) - also this one is awesome it's linear af movement from 3>4 and then sharp snap down then up on 5
10:46 Side: compliments vocals imo
10:48 Nerova Riuz GX: 01:00:385 (3,5) - make them closer plez, for both spacing and readability
10:49 Side: 3 closer to 5 or 5 closer to 3
10:49 Nerova Riuz GX: 01:35:820 (1,2,3) - not quite sure about this, maybe add one or more nc around here
10:49 Nerova Riuz GX: 01:41:322 (2) - snaping
10:49 Nerova Riuz GX: 00:15:242 (4,1) - moved back and im worrying about the jump
10:50 Nerova Riuz GX: 5 closer to 3
10:50 Side: NC spam would be weird but I guess I can change it to all NC
10:50 Side: 1:41 is fine
10:51 Side: I nerfed it but it's not so bad
10:51 Side: I took this diff to multis a lot and no one missed that jump tbh
10:51 Side: except the 7 digits :^)
10:52 Side: but still nerfed a bit I guess using 1.5x now instead of 1.6 or 1.7x
Also fixed some inconsistent hitsounds and added a few whistles cuz NRG sucks at using them :^)
@Sonnyc I don't agree with most of your mod I'm sorry. The idea behind the difficulty was for it to be a reading challenge for players of this skill level hence a lot of the stacks. Regarding consistency I'd say it's hardly so. A lot of the patterns are very consistent within each section such as the zig zags you mentioned and the changes in spacing in your first point. I nerfed a few jumps as well as the things mentioned in the IRC but for the most part it's the same. I don't agree with copy/pasting every single slider for "curve rate consistency" because it honestly doesn't matter all that much in play the impact is the same and frankly if that's the reason you think this map needs "a lot of work" then I just feel insulted. Please consider that every mapper has a style even when it comes to something as generic as a normal/hard. It may be different than the norm but it's in no way wrong and I hope you consider this when deciding whether or not to approve of my diff.
Edit 11/23: Okay got more time for a slightly more detailed reply
Outside of this I fixed inconsistent hitsounds (not pointed out) and most of NRG's suggestions in the IRC above.Sonnyc wrote:
Hard.
00:14:918 (3,4) - (4) having a stronger jump than (3) while (3) having a stronger sound in the music didn't felt nice along the song. Actually, the placement setting is all inconsisten through 00:16:213 (3,4) - 00:17:507 (3,4) - 00:20:096 (3,4) - 00:21:391 (3,4). Some have a jump on all two, some have an equal spacing, some having a jump at the second object.. way too inconsistent. Choose what element you want to give an emphasis, and express it consistently. I can't see any logic currently. Also take note that unlike other 1/2 sliders, 00:16:698 - 00:21:876 - had a strong beat at the slider end. Think how you can express this difference in your pattern. The current rhythm design or placement design shows no difference on these one. I nerfed 00:16:213 (3,4) - Since it was inconsistent with the spacing here. The rest tbh are more or less 1.5x spacing or play like 00:17:831 (4,1) - where the spacing is very high but the snap is super easy because it's opposite direction so you can snap easily to it. Momentum and what not mo made a video about it and pishi's made a lot of points about that as well in his videos and in many mods for his hards as well. Other than that it is consistent. The slider heads follow the vocals in regards to your second point. Some are slightly changing pattern such as 00:30:452 (3,4) - because believe it or not repeating the same pattern for fifteen seconds is boring.
00:25:597 - The base spacing has reduced from 1.50x to 1.40x starting here with no musical reason. Use a consistent spacing concept, if there isn't any difference in the music that demands such a huge change. Changed to 1.4x...not like +.1x spacing was noticeable to begin with but whatever xd
00:34:982 - Um I believe this section could show more improvement. Currently, it only seems to have a rhythm consistency, distance snapping, and some flow. What lacking is technical skills, and visual consistency. Some examples: 00:35:306 (2,5) - Inconsistent curve rate. 00:34:982 (1) - 00:36:276 (1) - Inconsistent curve rate. Unimportant. Not all my sliders are copy/pasted and they shouldn't all be. Same point applies for any similar. 00:36:276 (1,2) - 00:41:454 (1,2) - Inconsistent visual concept. (Could've been less random if you made the flow consistent) Unimportant same reason as before. Also it is consistent this whole section uses a lot of sharper angle jumps (zigzag as you call them later and it is consistent through this more intense section in the music..00:36:924 (3) - Red anchored slider out of no where which is inconsistent with 00:42:425 (5). 00:35:306 (2,3,4,5) - 00:40:483 (2,3,4,5) - Inconsistent flow. (zigzag vs diamond) Both are zigzat wut or more specific sharp angle short jumps. 00:46:632 (1) - Comparing with other 3/4 sliders, this was the only linear 3/4 slider. Also unimportant. No rule or reason to use an exact same slider for similar sections. If all maps were this consistent, this would be a boring as hell game. If you wanted a change in this section, making 00:45:337 (1) also linear would've worked better. 00:37:409 (5,1) - 00:42:425 (5,1) - 00:47:603 (5,1) - Inconsistent spacing. Similar enough in gameplay. Actually I don't really see an issue here the spacing reads as it should this is clearly 1/2...
01:02:165 (1,4) - Why did you made this overlap selection? Since this wasn't used consistently, and also this part of the music wasn't so special to demand such abnormal pattern, it feels quite weird. It doesn't feel weird at all. Many great maps use off-stacks and overlaps to add different distance. If 01:02:650 (4) - was stacked over 01:02:165 (1) - it would ruin the triangle in 01:02:165 (1) - And stacking 01:02:165 (1) - just looks unoriginal. This is not weird this is not abnormal.
Hard needs much more improvement. Other diffs are good. I would have respected the mod a lot more than I did before I read this statement. Maybe its language barriers but this sounds like you're saying "other diffs are good this one is bad good luck" and that's insulting. Especially after reviewing the mod most of it is just "copy paste these two sliders instead" or .1x spacing inconsistency etc... There's nothing wrong with off-stacks, or not using copy paste rotated sliders. I mean no offense but these "inconsistencies" are really small suggestions that almost make no difference no impact in the map at all. That's why its insulting because apparently my diff needs a lot of work aka my diff is holding the set back? please...I hope you meant something else but I just don't see how else to interpret that...
Regardless, thanks for the mod.
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