Mein Gauche wrote:

Hi from my q.

a guide to help you -> t/441929
mapping terms -> t/482554


Thanks, I'll be sure to look at them (I know all the terms at least )

[General]
The mapset size exceeds 10 mb without video, storyboard, or hitsound.
The audio alone is 320kbps and 17 mb. Consider compressing it.

Yeah, I picked that up from AIMod. I'll get around to compressing it soon.

[Phoenix]
00:00:009 - to 01:37:724 - use consistent and smaller spacing here. because there's no loud sounds. more about spacing: Spacing Emphasis

Will do, and will watch (don't have time to fix a lot at the moment, so will do ASAP).

00:41:045 (1,2,3) - move by one 1/4 tick to the right

I was expecting this, but the vocal, for some reason, chooses to start exactly on the 1/4 tick before the white tick.

01:37:081 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - random stacks. don't represent any sound. delete them.

It represents the "whoosh" sound in the music, but I'll agree that it seems rather out of place. I'll keep it until another person points it out as well, which will probably happen.

01:57:759 (5) - delete this. doesn't represent any sound

Oh shit, my bad.
02:01:295 (7,8,9,10) - overmapped.

Replaced with double sliders instead.

Quote from wiki

> https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Rhythm_Techniques

In Standard, it's recommended to only put streams where it corresponds to instruments in the music. Doing otherwise is often called "overmapping". Now, one can most certainly put streams where it doesn't go to anything, but it's not recommended, especially when you're a new mapper.

On the other hand, Taiko maps will creates a new pattern fitting the music (this is exceptional because the drums usually holds the beat). So generally more streams are found in Taiko maps. However, abusing the streams (or "overmapping") is never recommended.

Yeah, I know what overmapping is. Wasn't my intention to do so. Again, my bad.

04:23:152 (1,2,3) - too far apart.

Uggh, can't believe I didn't see that. Sorry, I guess it's easier to miss things with lack of experience and a long map...anyway, fixed.
04:47:795 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - overmapped

The electronic music is clearly audible and is best represented by 6 note streams. I don't think overmapping applies at this point.
05:23:152 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - overmapped. and these kind of streams are not recommended.

Finally decided to replace that shit with sliders instead.

many weird spacing, unmapped sounds, overmappings, too many timing points with small difference.
you are not good enough YET. practice mapping more.

Yes sir, I will. ;~;

there are still many things I've not mentioned yet. try to find it by looking at guides, find some more mods, and also playing some more maps and try to pay attention to how the mapper handle things. sorry if i'm being lazy even though you're new, but it's 22.00 right now and i'm sleepy zzz

Only 10 PM? Oh well, I guess we all have different standards on sleep. I'll do what you suggested and remember it for future maps.

DaTopBull wrote:

Ello from my modding queue <3 (Dubstep as a first pick? You have my respect good sir! (=u=)7 )

You should be laughing at me for my foolishness, lol.

General Things

Throughout the song there are quite a lot of combos that just seem to start or end for no reason. This mod would be FAR too long to read if I posted them all (Don't take it the wrong way this is really good for your FIRST EVER MAP ) Just try to listen to the song for when a new combo should start, and when it should end. (Trashy tip.. I tried :/ )

Will do; I think I had a tendency to dislike combo numbers that were high, so I might have used too many NC's.

Phoenix

00:00:009 - 00:27:438
I feel like the jumps should be slightly smaller, as it isn't an intense part of the song. Just my opinion though :V

WHAT THE FFFFF I THOUGHT I REMAPPED THAAAT

00:35:795 (6)
Make this note not touch this one 00:36:009 (1)

Woops, thanks

00:54:652 - 00:54:866
Two circles could be placed at those two time points with the spinner starting at 00:55:081 (That might be too short for ranked though, so I'm not sure)

Put one circle at the beginning. Putting one at the end is unnecessary in my opinion because of the spinner's finish.

01:19:295 (6)
NC here instead of here 01:19:724 (1)?

I'm seriously retarded

02:00:009 (1,2,3,4,5,6)
The stream doesn't fit with the BG music or the vocals. Consider changing it to what you have at 01:57:866 (5,6,1) for example

What the...I think I forgot about changing this one because there was another stream after it that I removed for the same reason. fml

02:01:295 (7)
You forgot to mute the end of this slider c:

Oh damn, thanks. I put in so many timing points for hitsounds on this map so must've missed it Dx

03:49:724 (1)
Same as what I said for 02:00:009 (1,2,3,4,5,6)


Will do.
03:59:152 (4,5,6,7)
These don't really fit being placed in a triangular shape

It mirrors the 1/3 sliders earlier at 01:55:724 (1,2,3) - , and it transitions from the jumps in a row to the larger one at the end. The triangle also represents the 1/3 beat as well.

04:06:866 (1)
Consider reversing this slider. It sounds awkward not having anything from 04:07:724 - 04:08:581

Reversing seems weird, so I'll just double it's length to make the slider cooler. And also, I'm planning on filling in the break right after this to kick the drain time up to 5 min, so it shouldn't be awkward then (fixing it anyway)

05:28:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)
WAAAAAAAAAY too spaced apart. Tone those down like, 3 notches D:

I wanted octagon memes about me if I become a regular mapper though... (changed from 1.7x to 1.4x, thought it was kind of overkill lmao)

05:30:866
Kiai should end here and not at 05:34:295

Ended it at 5:29:366 instead to go along with the drop.

Closing words

Man oh MAN was this fun to play. I don't usually grow so much on a song I've only listened to and played once. You were an exception. I really hope this gets ranked one day c:

I'm happy you did! I kind of gave up on this map for the time being since I resigned it to being a shitmap forever, but I'll do my best to improve and remap. Thanks for the encouragement, and thanks for the mod!

poots_mcgoots wrote:

I don't mod standard, let alone the Extra maps, but you sir/ma'am, are really good at this!

Keep mapping, this is epic! <3

1. Some of the things I mention are reccuring issues that can be spotted throughout the map. I wont point of every instance or this mod will be very long x.x
2. 00:03:652 (4) - This would look good with a blanket imo http://puu.sh/rlAmB/a6f50f4b1a.jpg
3. 00:06:866 (1,2) - blanket between these two sliders is a tad off.
4. 00:12:224 (2,5) - here too
5. I'll leave spotting the rest to you. I won't be able to spot them all x.x
6. 00:42:652 (5) - the gap here feels a little empty. Personally I recommend this pattern http://puu.sh/rlAFx/c32f63e9e8.jpg
7. I know you're experiencing with patterns since this is your first beatmap so that's okay. but for future maps try to avoid inconsistent spacing like: comparing 01:12:438 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - and 01:15:866 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - . One pattern is spaced where the other one is super stacked. Personally I like to keep passages of music with the same intensity consistent in spacing
8. 02:52:724 (10,11,12,13,1) - cool
9. 03:39:438 (6,2,3,4) - http://puu.sh/rlBgK/fd550bfb47.jpg overlaps like these where the objects are barely touching are considered by many people to be "ugly". A few ways you can try fixing this:
   1.overlap with more surface area: http://puu.sh/rlBmd/56eaee711b.jpg
   2.stack it to the slider head/slider end: http://puu.sh/rlBrK/cdf48cdf2f.jpg
   3.avoid the overlap
10. Wow, to be honest this is a pretty impressive first map. You have some pretty interesting ideas.
    Some suggestions: Try to map to what the music provides. Sometimes you put clickable objects at parts of the music where there's no sound. Becareful of this, it can be very dangerous. I suggest opening up some recently ranked maps in editor and see how they place and structure their notes, how each circle and slider enteracts with each other. Also take note of the rhythm they choose follow in relation to the song they're mapping. Notice what placements look nice or are "aesthetically" pleasing and try to incorporate them into your own maps. Keep on mapping~!

nubery wrote:

Hi there!
From my modding queue

Hello :3

[Phoenix]

1. Some of the things I mention are reccuring issues that can be spotted throughout the map. I wont point of every instance or this mod will be very long x.x
2. 00:03:652 (4) - This would look good with a blanket imo http://puu.sh/rlAmB/a6f50f4b1a.jpg
   
   Done!
   
   
3. 00:06:866 (1,2) - blanket between these two sliders is a tad off.
   
   Nice and cozy~
   
   
4. 00:12:224 (2,5) - here too
   
   Don't really see the point here cause the 5 slider isn't even shown approaching when the 2 circle is hit, but fixed anyway.
   
   
5. I'll leave spotting the rest to you. I won't be able to spot them all x.x
   
   Over 1.1k objects, rip me
   
   
6. 00:42:652 (5) - the gap here feels a little empty. Personally I recommend this pattern http://puu.sh/rlAFx/c32f63e9e8.jpg
   
   Oh thanks, just noticed it wasn't consistent with 00:29:152 (7) - where it uses that pattern
   
   
7. I know you're experiencing with patterns since this is your first beatmap so that's okay. but for future maps try to avoid inconsistent spacing like: comparing 01:12:438 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - and 01:15:866 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - . One pattern is spaced where the other one is super stacked. Personally I like to keep passages of music with the same intensity consistent in spacing
   
   I don't know WTF happened to the first one, but I'm in favor of keeping the second pattern for variation and the pitch of the piano not really changing between notes as the other three times, and it's perfectly readable (not that you said that it wasn't). I'll probably remap it if someone else points it out too, though.
   
   
8. 02:52:724 (10,11,12,13,1) - cool
   
   Thank Mr Monstrata
   
   
9. 03:39:438 (6,2,3,4) - http://puu.sh/rlBgK/fd550bfb47.jpg overlaps like these where the objects are barely touching are considered by many people to be "ugly". A few ways you can try fixing this:
   1.overlap with more surface area: http://puu.sh/rlBmd/56eaee711b.jpg
   2.stack it to the slider head/slider end: http://puu.sh/rlBrK/cdf48cdf2f.jpg
   3.avoid the overlap
   
   Wow, good catch. Went with option 3 since I didn't intend for those to overlap to begin with.
   
   
10. Wow, to be honest this is a pretty impressive first map. You have some pretty interesting ideas.
    
    Hope it's a good kind of "interesting". Seriously though, thanks!
    
    
    Some suggestions: Try to map to what the music provides. Sometimes you put clickable objects at parts of the music where there's no sound. Becareful of this, it can be very dangerous. I suggest opening up some recently ranked maps in editor and see how they place and structure their notes, how each circle and slider enteracts with each other. Also take note of the rhythm they choose follow in relation to the song they're mapping. Notice what placements look nice or are "aesthetically" pleasing and try to incorporate them into your own maps. Keep on mapping~!
    
    Crap...I tried my best not to overmap, especially in the dubstep sections. I'll keep it in mind; I frequently delete objects and listen to the music behind it to make sure they're justified, but not frequently enough, it seems. And yeah, will do! I think this is a tough song to map, especially for a noob like me, but I hope I can keep at it like you said.

Sorry if this mod is a little short x.x I didn't nitpick any placements, blankets or mention any other recurring things. If you have any questions or if something I said was unclear, feel free to contact me via any method. Or dropping by #modhelp channel, they're helpful sometimes. Oh also, you dont have to mod back if you dont want to, I know this was a little short x.x

Oh no, I will, but honestly, it's going to take me a while too cause I'm really busy with school as well and extracurricular activities, and I've never modded so far, so I'm pretty uncertain if it can even help. I'll try soon, though!

Hope this helps!

KawaiiLuma wrote:

Phoenix diff:
Just a minor thing, maybe nerf the distance from 04:06:295 (3) - to 04:06:438 (4) - so it's a bit more confortable to play.

Nerfed the distance spacing between 04:05:795 (1,2,3,4) - so they'd be equal.

Well I didn't find anything more... so i guess... Good Job! Have a Star (Luma)!

Whoa, seriously? And thanks for the star!

_Yiiiii wrote:

Hi~ M4M, do you recognize me?XD

I actually do! xP

Also, I'm really sorry, but I forgot to update the map after the mod before yours, so I may have already fixed the problems that you pointed out. I'll still check them to see if they apply.

[Phoenix]
00:00:009 (1,2) - It's not fashion, and the flow is strange, try to make the second white slidertick of the first slider on the right side of it or just make it a straight slider.

This deviates from the other lines of the song because this first one starts off with the piano rather than the vocals on the first beat. They don't flow close together to show that difference; and I don't think it's awkward.

00:03:438 (3,4) - Maybe need more space too fit vocal.

Originally that slider was two circles as well, but I combined it into a slider because the vocal's pitch at the beginning of the slider is the same as the end of the slider. I'm against changing its distance spacing to signify that as well.

00:15:438 (1,4) - No overlap, looks better.

Agreed, my bad.

00:18:866 (1,2,3,4,5) - Unreasonable DS changing, fix that.

I think it's fine cause the notes before were much more stacked than the same lines in the music before it, and there aren't any readability problems. It adds variation as well.

00:20:581 (1,2) - blanket

Done.

00:42:652 (5) - Ctrl+G and put it at about (70,200), there shouldn't be so much random flow in this part.

It's a direct reflection of the previous slider; I don't see it as random.

00:47:581 (10) - It seems you forgot a Ctrl+G here.

It flows directly into the next slider.

Let's talk about NC, 01:10:295 (1) - This note is a single group, and these 01:10:724 (2,3,4,5) - sliders are a group, so a NC at 01:10:724 (2) - ,and this 01:13:295 (5,6,1) - is a group, so a NC at 01:13:295 (5) - and remove NC for the last note. So, you need to add more NC and remove some NC later.

Yeah, I really need to clean up on the combos. Thanks for the reminder!

01:12:866 (3,3) - No overlap.

Gaaaah

01:16:295 (3,4,5,6) - Only 5 and 6 should stack together.

Thanks, fixed!

01:35:581 (6,7) - Bad DS changing.

The circle's supposed to be at the center of the previous four sliders. I think it's fine.

01:56:152 (4) - Ctrl+G and put it at (288,37), the pattern you have now doesn't make sense.

To be honest, putting that slider that far up doesn't make sense to me, unless I'm misunderstanding. I don't see what's wrong with its position right now.

01:56:581 (1,2,3,4) - You didn't highlight the beat at the end of 4, you can try four circles and a slider for this rythm.

I did that several times afterwards as well, and the slider was supposed to go along with the syncopated beat in the music. Also, I think it already serves to highlight the normal beat by the slider's initial point.

01:57:974 01:58:188 Two unused timing lines.

LOL WHAT

01:57:866 (5) - NC because the DS changing.

Eh, I think it's unnecessary.

02:01:295 (5,6) - ^

Didn't change that, but found other combo inconsistencies in the lines surrounding it. Fixed those.

02:57:009 (4,5) - wtf, looks ugly.

It may be, but I think it's totally appropriate for the dubstep taking over in the music.

03:46:295 - Put a clickable object here. Same thing later.

This section of the map was supposed to consistently use long and slow sliders to represent more than one note each (basically, to give the slider end the same emphasis as the beginning through its slowness).

05:01:295 (5,9) - OCD causing overlap XD

Okay, that was actually intended, and the slider doesn't fully show by the time circle 5 is hit. I think it's fine. xP

05:15:438 (1) - Ctrl+G?

Damn, good catch.

I don't know why you made so many sliders that can be shaped up with three white ticks with a lot of ticks XD such as 04:26:581 (1) -

That was cause those sliders were my first time ever making sliders, so I didn't know I could just use three points. I'll go change them even though I'm lazy. Dx

Sorry for this late mod, good luck.

Thanks a lot for the mod! Better late than never, anyway.

1. as a general point, avoid using 100% sample volume for large parts of the map, in most cases 70-80% is a good "default" volume and anything above should only be used to emphasize.
2. you work a lot with sample volume and sample set, but don't do anything with additions, please try using those. right now your work with hitsound volumes mostly goes to waste on the lack of additions still making it sound monotonous.
3. comboing makes sense for the most part but seems a bit on the long side in general; i'd recommend trying to stay with single digits as much as possible unless you're mapping lots of streams and especially cutting down your combos on slow parts. short combos can also help a lot with reading complex patterns like the ones you're using in this map. it's also somewhat inconsistent in places with very short combos popping out of nowhere, so have a look at that and try to come up with and implement a consistent NC concept.
   
4. 00:04:295 (6) - these are a bit awkward to read as they seem too slow to be a repeating kickslider but too fast to read the second reverse. i'd recommend going with a return slider into a circle or slider here since the note at the end would be nice to emphasize.
5. 00:42:866 - this should probably be clickable since it's the start of a new measure and a fairly emphasized vocal note at the end of the phrase, plus the gap after feels rather awkward with said vocal note filling it but no object.
6. 01:27:224 (1,2,1) - nc'ed differently than other repetitions of this patterns
7. 01:29:152 (1,2,3,4) - i don't like the overlaps on this, especially because you don't use any other similar overlaps
8. 01:55:724 (6,7,8) - try to find a way to make these patterns easier to recognize as triplet rhythms, it's very hard to differentiate these from stuff like 02:00:009 (1,2,3) -
9. 02:00:652 (4) - this ends on a more emphasized note than it starts on, with the snare drum. always start sliders on sounds that are stronger or equal to their end. there are a lot of these in your map.
10. 02:33:009 (3,4,5) - for stuff like this use copy-pasted slider shapes, having different curves looks inconsistent
11. 02:52:724 (10,11,12,13) - you are not hanzer
    be very careful when using patterns like this, they are very hard to make intuitive. in this map in particular, the problem is when you then use regular doubles like 03:09:009 (4,5,6,7) - it gets very confusing. this particular pattern also overlaps with 02:51:866 (5,6,7) - in a bit of an awkward way.
12. 02:57:009 (4,5) - overlaps like these just look bad, try to give them some more interaction, or at least keep the visual distance roughly constant like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6180351
13. 02:58:938 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this stream acceleration is really overdone, there's not even anything particularly interesting happening in the music
14. 03:02:795 (7,8,9,10) - emphasis on this feels a bit off, the sound on 03:03:009 (9) - is different from the others and feels weaker since the main synth is not present there, therefore i would suggest replacing 03:02:902 (8,9) - with a kick slider to follow this
15. 03:25:724 (1,2,3,4) - try to make sliders like these interact with more than just the endpoints, for example by keeping constant visual distance on some parts, aligning anchor points, etc
16. 03:41:152 - as i mentioned previously, don't end sliders on strong sounds; lot of that going on in this section
17. 03:45:438 (5,6,7) - again, make it easier to recognize patterns built on different rhythms
18. 04:14:581 (1) - i don't get the point of using a single slider here, there's a lot more going on in the music that you map before and after
19. 04:55:509 (4,7,8) - overlap here is inconsistent with 04:55:724 (5,9,10) -
20. 04:56:581 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this looks almost exactly like your earlier jumpstreams, i'd recommend using a kickslider on the end of the first stream since there's also a sustained note there
21. 05:30:974 (1) - i'd recommend extending this spinner to 05:37:724 - since the repetition of the piano pattern starts there.

Zhuriel wrote:

hi there, from my queue. you were request #19 with a priority of 25, this is mod #6. by the way, you reading all the way to the bottom made the difference between you and another map being next up.

Woot, it was worth it lol

pretty solid for a first map i have to say.

Probably not so solid if compared to other maps. ;~;

1. as a general point, avoid using 100% sample volume for large parts of the map, in most cases 70-80% is a good "default" volume and anything above should only be used to emphasize.
   
   Yeah, I agree now that you mention it. I'll adjust all the hitsounds accordingly.
   
2. you work a lot with sample volume and sample set, but don't do anything with additions, please try using those. right now your work with hitsound volumes mostly goes to waste on the lack of additions still making it sound monotonous.
   
   Okay, will do. I've been thinking of adding some, but any I added sounded out of place...I guess I'll just have to experiment more.
   
3. comboing makes sense for the most part but seems a bit on the long side in general; i'd recommend trying to stay with single digits as much as possible unless you're mapping lots of streams and especially cutting down your combos on slow parts. short combos can also help a lot with reading complex patterns like the ones you're using in this map. it's also somewhat inconsistent in places with very short combos popping out of nowhere, so have a look at that and try to come up with and implement a consistent NC concept.
   
   Urgh, got it.
   
4. 00:04:295 (6) - these are a bit awkward to read as they seem too slow to be a repeating kickslider but too fast to read the second reverse. i'd recommend going with a return slider into a circle or slider here since the note at the end would be nice to emphasize.
   
   Hmm, all right, will do.
   
5. 00:42:866 - this should probably be clickable since it's the start of a new measure and a fairly emphasized vocal note at the end of the phrase, plus the gap after feels rather awkward with said vocal note filling it but no object.
   
   Replaced it with a circle and a long slider since this was the second time someone pointed it out.
   
6. 01:27:224 (1,2,1) - nc'ed differently than other repetitions of this patterns
   
   I don't even
   
7. 01:29:152 (1,2,3,4) - i don't like the overlaps on this, especially because you don't use any other similar overlaps
   
   Changed it into a star pattern, hope that's better.
   
8. 01:55:724 (6,7,8) - try to find a way to make these patterns easier to recognize as triplet rhythms, it's very hard to differentiate these from stuff like 02:00:009 (1,2,3) -
   
   I thought the short distance spacing for the triplets were able to be recognized now, but guess it's not enough. I think the problem isn't with the orientation of the triplet sliders but the regular sliders around it, so I'll just contrast those more from the triplets.
   
9. 02:00:652 (4) - this ends on a more emphasized note than it starts on, with the snare drum. always start sliders on sounds that are stronger or equal to their end. there are a lot of these in your map.
   
   I think these are okay because I consistently use angled sliders to show that the slider end is also important, so it's still intuitive and consistent throughout the map. I'll still look over them to see if there are actually any that don't fit, which there probably are.
   
10. 02:33:009 (3,4,5) - for stuff like this use copy-pasted slider shapes, having different curves looks inconsistent
    
    They're supposed to curve in gradually, but edited the sliders more to show that.
    
11. 02:52:724 (10,11,12,13) - you are not hanzer
    be very careful when using patterns like this, they are very hard to make intuitive. in this map in particular, the problem is when you then use regular doubles like 03:09:009 (4,5,6,7) - it gets very confusing. this particular pattern also overlaps with 02:51:866 (5,6,7) - in a bit of an awkward way.
    
    About the video; these stream doubles aren't random or for no reason (or excessive, for that matter) as the video showed them using, since these are consistently used throughout the map. I think the problem is to show the player that they are meant to be played as a stream (so like you said, intuitive). I tried putting the two short sliders before them right on the doubles to show that the doubles are essentially replacing the sliders (so thus a stream), and I decreased the distance spacing to show that. Also, the regular doubles you pointed out are not like those in two ways; the first in that the regular doubles are significantly more spaced apart, and the second in that the "stream" doubles are heavily stacked while the regular doubles are not so. I'll work on distinguishing them from each other further since you pointed it out, though.
    
12. 02:57:009 (4,5) - overlaps like these just look bad, try to give them some more interaction, or at least keep the visual distance roughly constant like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6180351
    
    Woops, didn't mean to make them actually overlap (just close to each other)
    
13. 02:58:938 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this stream acceleration is really overdone, there's not even anything particularly interesting happening in the music
    
    Actually, the synthesizer is getting gradually louder, and it prepares for the drop at the end. The only problem I have is that it doesn't represent the beat in the middle of the stream, but I think it's fine for now cause it only starts accelerating after that beat.
    
14. 03:02:795 (7,8,9,10) - emphasis on this feels a bit off, the sound on 03:03:009 (9) - is different from the others and feels weaker since the main synth is not present there, therefore i would suggest replacing 03:02:902 (8,9) - with a kick slider to follow this
    
    After much experimenting and debate, done.
    
15. 03:25:724 (1,2,3,4) - try to make sliders like these interact with more than just the endpoints, for example by keeping constant visual distance on some parts, aligning anchor points, etc
    
    Increased their SV gradually and made their patterns more gradually abnormal. Hope that works.
    
16. 03:41:152 - as i mentioned previously, don't end sliders on strong sounds; lot of that going on in this section
    
    That's the point; I feel like giving more priority to the slider ends suits the short and slow sliders well.
    
17. 03:45:438 (5,6,7) - again, make it easier to recognize patterns built on different rhythms
    
    Just made them closer together; the player should remember this rhythm by now.
    
18. 04:14:581 (1) - i don't get the point of using a single slider here, there's a lot more going on in the music that you map before and after
    
    Agreed, separated into two sliders. It's pretty though </3
    
19. 04:55:509 (4,7,8) - overlap here is inconsistent with 04:55:724 (5,9,10) -
    
    Thanks, good catch.
    
20. 04:56:581 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this looks almost exactly like your earlier jumpstreams, i'd recommend using a kickslider on the end of the first stream since there's also a sustained note there
    
    That's too awkward, so I just increased the distance spacing even more. The earlier jumpstreams were quite close together compared to this one.
    
21. 05:30:974 (1) - i'd recommend extending this spinner to 05:37:724 - since the repetition of the piano pattern starts there.

All right, that works.

lot of stuff repeats so look over the map a few times once you've gone through it

also find someone who can help you more with visual polish and flow cause i suck at that

Will do for both.

thats it i guess

-Bumblebee- wrote:

Hello

IRC

2016-09-29 22:14 -Bumblebee-: Hi man
2016-09-29 22:14 -Bumblebee-: Wanna mod your map randomly
2016-09-29 22:14 Opsianos: Hi there
2016-09-29 22:14 Opsianos: Can I help you
2016-09-29 22:14 -Bumblebee-: IRC is okay for ya?
2016-09-29 22:14 Opsianos: :O
2016-09-29 22:14 Opsianos: Yeah sure
2016-09-29 22:14 Opsianos: How'd you come across me lol
2016-09-29 22:14 -Bumblebee-: I saw your map in #modreqs a few days ago
2016-09-29 22:15 Opsianos: Ohh okay
2016-09-29 22:15 -Bumblebee-: And then I put it into my 'Mod' collection :))
2016-09-29 22:15 Opsianos: Thanks xD
2016-09-29 22:15 -Bumblebee-: No worries ;)
2016-09-29 22:15 Opsianos: Really need the help atm
2016-09-29 22:15 Opsianos: First map ;~;
2016-09-29 22:15 Opsianos: Hang on let me update my changes
2016-09-29 22:15 -Bumblebee-: Uuuuh
2016-09-29 22:15 Opsianos: Fixed a couple of things
2016-09-29 22:15 -Bumblebee-: Lets see so
2016-09-29 22:16 -Bumblebee-: 00:00:009 (1,2) - this is a weird flow
2016-09-29 22:16 -Bumblebee-: Let me explain
2016-09-29 22:16 Opsianos: You don't mind if you don't get a kds though?
2016-09-29 22:16 Opsianos: Unless someway to give it
2016-09-29 22:16 Opsianos: Even with IRC
2016-09-29 22:16 -Bumblebee-: I dont do this for kudosus
2016-09-29 22:16 -Bumblebee-: I do this for helping ppl
2016-09-29 22:16 Opsianos: Oh
2016-09-29 22:17 Opsianos: That's nice of you :3
2016-09-29 22:17 -Bumblebee-: And also you can give me that anyway
2016-09-29 22:17 Opsianos: All right I'll change that
2016-09-29 22:17 -Bumblebee-: So, dont worry about that lol
2016-09-29 22:17 Opsianos: Ye just asking
2016-09-29 22:17 Opsianos: Cause a friend of mine told me you almost always should give kds to a mod
2016-09-29 22:18 -Bumblebee-: If you press ctrl+G on '1', it'll follow better the flow
2016-09-29 22:18 -Bumblebee-: Yep, it's true
2016-09-29 22:18 -Bumblebee-: You know modding shortcuts?
2016-09-29 22:18 Opsianos: Yeah I do
2016-09-29 22:19 Opsianos: I kind of intentionally wanted 1 and 2 to go away from each other
2016-09-29 22:19 Opsianos: Cause the succeeding lines flowed into the next
2016-09-29 22:19 Opsianos: But the first one doesn't have the vocal on 1
2016-09-29 22:19 Opsianos: So wanted to contrast that
2016-09-29 22:19 -Bumblebee-: Yeah yeah, I got it
2016-09-29 22:19 Opsianos: I'll change it though cause second time it was mentioned
2016-09-29 22:19 Opsianos: Maybe find an alternative way
2016-09-29 22:19 -Bumblebee-: You can always distance them, but pls change that flow lol
2016-09-29 22:20 Opsianos: Yeah lol
2016-09-29 22:20 -Bumblebee-: 00:01:295 (4) - move this to x:268 y:144
2016-09-29 22:21 -Bumblebee-: For a perfect triangle with '2'
2016-09-29 22:21 -Bumblebee-: Ops, I mean 00:01:295 (6) - this
2016-09-29 22:23 Opsianos: Uhh
2016-09-29 22:23 Opsianos: Got what you meant
2016-09-29 22:23 Opsianos: Is this any better lol
2016-09-29 22:23 -Bumblebee-: 00:04:295 (6) - [http://puu.sh/rs9kL/3d069b1060.jpg maybe this?]
2016-09-29 22:23 Opsianos: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6208284
2016-09-29 22:23 Opsianos: Uhh
2016-09-29 22:23 -Bumblebee-: Keep in mind that mine are just suggestions, if you don't want to apply them, no worries ^^
2016-09-29 22:23 Opsianos: I think putting that as a slider would throw off the player
2016-09-29 22:24 Opsianos: Like
2016-09-29 22:24 Opsianos: There are no adjoining sliders
2016-09-29 22:24 Opsianos: Until almost 2 min in or something
2016-09-29 22:24 Opsianos: And all right but you know better than me xP
2016-09-29 22:24 -Bumblebee-: Nah lol
2016-09-29 22:24 Opsianos: And also for most of the vocals I just used regular circles
2016-09-29 22:25 Opsianos: Only short slider is the kickslider
2016-09-29 22:25 -Bumblebee-: 00:05:366 (2,4) - fix this blanket better
2016-09-29 22:25 -Bumblebee-: Ah
2016-09-29 22:25 -Bumblebee-: Nothing
2016-09-29 22:25 Opsianos: 2 and 5?
2016-09-29 22:25 -Bumblebee-: But it would be nice to blanket it all
2016-09-29 22:25 -Bumblebee-: Wait
2016-09-29 22:26 Opsianos: Going to assume 2 and 5 cause fixed xP
2016-09-29 22:26 -Bumblebee-: Try this
2016-09-29 22:26 -Bumblebee-: Blanket 00:05:366 (2,4) - this
2016-09-29 22:26 -Bumblebee-: And then
2016-09-29 22:26 Opsianos: Umm
2016-09-29 22:27 Opsianos: You sure you don't mean 2 5
2016-09-29 22:27 -Bumblebee-: Overlap this 00:06:438 (5,6,1) - with 00:05:366 (2) - this
2016-09-29 22:27 Opsianos: Unless you can blanket two circles lol
2016-09-29 22:27 Opsianos: Ah just noticed that
2016-09-29 22:27 Opsianos: Okay
2016-09-29 22:27 -Bumblebee-: 00:06:866 (1,2) - fix blanket here
2016-09-29 22:27 Opsianos: Blanket within a blanket xP
2016-09-29 22:28 -Bumblebee-: 00:11:152 (6) - same as before (only if you want it)
2016-09-29 22:28 -Bumblebee-: Yeah lol
2016-09-29 22:28 -Bumblebee-: 00:18:009 (6) - ^
2016-09-29 22:28 Opsianos: Done that
2016-09-29 22:28 Opsianos: For 11
2016-09-29 22:29 Opsianos: Yeah I don't think the short slider right before the kickslider's going to work
2016-09-29 22:29 Opsianos: Don't really see how the circle is a problem
2016-09-29 22:30 Opsianos: Cause I stacked circles right before sliders a lot already in the same rhythm
2016-09-29 22:30 Opsianos: e.g.
2016-09-29 22:30 Opsianos: 00:10:295 (3,4) -
2016-09-29 22:30 Opsianos: Right before
2016-09-29 22:30 Opsianos: 00:10:938 (5,6) -
2016-09-29 22:30 -Bumblebee-: 00:21:009 (2) - select it and press CTRL+SHIFT+R and then press 'Selection Centre' and then write '1', just like [http://puu.sh/rs9Mk/472a0315cb.png this]
2016-09-29 22:30 -Bumblebee-: Ok man, not a prob ;)
2016-09-29 22:31 Opsianos: Rotate it by 1 degree what lol
2016-09-29 22:31 -Bumblebee-: 00:26:581 (4,1) - best weird flow ever
2016-09-29 22:31 -Bumblebee-: :/
2016-09-29 22:31 -Bumblebee-: 00:27:438 (1,2,3) - mmmm
2016-09-29 22:32 Opsianos: What's wrong with 00:26:581 (4) -
2016-09-29 22:32 Opsianos: :/
2016-09-29 22:32 Opsianos: Unless
2016-09-29 22:32 -Bumblebee-: The flow
2016-09-29 22:32 Opsianos: Woops DS changed in those will fix
2016-09-29 22:32 -Bumblebee-: Nope man
2016-09-29 22:32 -Bumblebee-: The problem isn't the DS
2016-09-29 22:33 -Bumblebee-: Idk how to explain that
2016-09-29 22:33 Opsianos: 1,2,3?
2016-09-29 22:33 Opsianos: How do those not flow wut
2016-09-29 22:33 -Bumblebee-: When you follow a slider, it take you into a direction, right?
2016-09-29 22:33 Opsianos: Yeah
2016-09-29 22:33 Opsianos: And those go right into the next sliders
2016-09-29 22:33 -Bumblebee-: Well, this isn't the case
2016-09-29 22:34 -Bumblebee-: Indeed
2016-09-29 22:34 -Bumblebee-: This is a kinda firetruck lol
2016-09-29 22:34 -Bumblebee-: 00:26:581 (4) - since the direction of this is into the right
2016-09-29 22:35 -Bumblebee-: 00:27:438 (1) - while this is going to the down-left
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: Okay I understand
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: ...
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: Oh
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: Wow
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: Nvm
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: I totally misunderstood you
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: fml
2016-09-29 22:35 -Bumblebee-: Rly?
2016-09-29 22:35 -Bumblebee-: :D
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: I thought you were talking about 00:25:724 (1) - and 00:26:581 (4) -
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: Not 00:26:581 (4) - and 00:27:438 (1) -
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: fml
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: I'm retarded lol
2016-09-29 22:35 -Bumblebee-: Nah, don't worry lmao
2016-09-29 22:35 Opsianos: Okay that makes a lot more sense
2016-09-29 22:36 -Bumblebee-: I'm here to mod, so don't worry 'bout that dude
2016-09-29 22:36 -Bumblebee-: 00:27:652 - 00:27:974 - 00:28:295 - here
2016-09-29 22:36 -Bumblebee-: Modify the volume to 5% here
2016-09-29 22:36 Opsianos: ...crap
2016-09-29 22:36 Opsianos: I forgot
2016-09-29 22:36 Opsianos: My volumes are a clusterfck
2016-09-29 22:37 -Bumblebee-: And also, 00:27:759 (2,3) - fix this lol
2016-09-29 22:37 Opsianos: I literally had 100% on everything once
2016-09-29 22:37 -Bumblebee-: Ahaha
2016-09-29 22:37 Opsianos: Uhh
2016-09-29 22:37 -Bumblebee-: Never map with 100% volume, never
2016-09-29 22:37 Opsianos: Sry adjusting these
2016-09-29 22:37 Opsianos: 00:27:438 (1) -
2016-09-29 22:37 Opsianos: Yeeeah I heard that Dx
2016-09-29 22:37 Opsianos: But I was lazy af
2016-09-29 22:37 Opsianos: To change it from default 100%
2016-09-29 22:37 Opsianos: Still not finished yet
2016-09-29 22:38 -Bumblebee-: 00:27:438 (1) - this can also be okay, not everything needs to be blanket
2016-09-29 22:38 -Bumblebee-: But it's up to you :))
2016-09-29 22:38 -Bumblebee-: 00:28:938 (6,1) - fix ahaha
2016-09-29 22:39 Opsianos: All right that looks better
2016-09-29 22:39 Opsianos: Moving on
2016-09-29 22:39 Opsianos: Uhh
2016-09-29 22:39 Opsianos: I mean I just finished the long slider from back there lol
2016-09-29 22:39 -Bumblebee-: 00:32:795 - 00:33:224 - 00:33:652 - 00:34:081 - 00:34:509 - 00:34:831 - 00:35:152 - fix volume
2016-09-29 22:39 -Bumblebee-: lol
2016-09-29 22:41 -Bumblebee-: 00:36:224 - 00:36:652 - 00:37:081 - 00:37:509 - this volume section can also be okay, but it's up to you even here :/
2016-09-29 22:41 Opsianos: About the first volumes those aren't wrong at 45% I think
2016-09-29 22:41 Opsianos: I fcked up on the ones before at 35%
2016-09-29 22:41 Opsianos: Oh wait
2016-09-29 22:41 Opsianos: sht
2016-09-29 22:42 -Bumblebee-: I meant to fix them at 5%
2016-09-29 22:42 Opsianos: Oh
2016-09-29 22:42 Opsianos: The slider ends
2016-09-29 22:42 -Bumblebee-: Yeah
2016-09-29 22:42 Opsianos: Gaaah damn it
2016-09-29 22:42 -Bumblebee-: Lol
2016-09-29 22:42 Opsianos: Some of my friends told me it felt weird without any sliderend hitsounds
2016-09-29 22:42 Opsianos: They used to be 5% but I bumped them up to 25%
2016-09-29 22:42 -Bumblebee-: 00:49:724 (1,2,3,4) - those seems good tho
2016-09-29 22:43 -Bumblebee-: Naah, it's a personal taste lol
2016-09-29 22:43 -Bumblebee-: 00:51:009 (4,1) - weird flow here too
2016-09-29 22:43 Opsianos: To be honest I'm probably going to have to experiment more with the volumes Dx
2016-09-29 22:43 Opsianos: Urgh
2016-09-29 22:43 -Bumblebee-: You're at the beginning, it's normal, don't worry about that 
2016-09-29 22:43 Opsianos: Does CTRL+G'ing 00:51:438 (1) -
2016-09-29 22:43 Opsianos: Work all right
2016-09-29 22:44 -Bumblebee-: Yeah
2016-09-29 22:44 -Bumblebee-: Very better
2016-09-29 22:44 Opsianos: Yey
2016-09-29 22:44 -Bumblebee-: 01:12:009 (5) - why a different shape here?
2016-09-29 22:44 Opsianos: Meant for them to be symmetrical diagonally
2016-09-29 22:44 Opsianos: Uhh
2016-09-29 22:45 Opsianos: That's actually a good question LOL
2016-09-29 22:45 Opsianos: Speaking of which though
2016-09-29 22:45 Opsianos: On some ranked maps I've seen
2016-09-29 22:45 Opsianos: The slider shapes changed for no audible or visual reason
2016-09-29 22:46 Opsianos: Some were straight some were anchored some were curved all on the same notes
2016-09-29 22:46 -Bumblebee-: What the
2016-09-29 22:46 -Bumblebee-: Yeah, like I did in my map
2016-09-29 22:46 Opsianos: Guessing that's not right lol
2016-09-29 22:46 -Bumblebee-: But that's the only one you did there lol
2016-09-29 22:46 Opsianos: Yeeah so fixed xP
2016-09-29 22:47 Opsianos: I think I misclicked the point lol
2016-09-29 22:47 -Bumblebee-: 01:23:795 (1,2,3) - move this block to x:400 y:194 for an overlap with 01:25:295 (6) - this
2016-09-29 22:47 -Bumblebee-: Yeah 
2016-09-29 22:47 Opsianos: Ehh
2016-09-29 22:48 -Bumblebee-: 01:25:724 (1,2,3,4,5) - you can also do a perfect pentagon here
2016-09-29 22:48 Opsianos: I'm kind of against that actually cause the next three sliders in a triangle form
2016-09-29 22:48 Opsianos: Represent the vocals
2016-09-29 22:48 Opsianos: So I don't want to overlap the percussion with them
2016-09-29 22:48 -Bumblebee-: So a NC should be 01:24:438 (4) - here
2016-09-29 22:48 -Bumblebee-: :))
2016-09-29 22:49 -Bumblebee-: It depends on what you want to emphasize 
2016-09-29 22:49 -Bumblebee-: 01:27:866 (4) - same here
2016-09-29 22:49 -Bumblebee-: 01:31:295 (4) - ^
2016-09-29 22:49 -Bumblebee-: 01:34:724 (4) - ^
2016-09-29 22:50 Opsianos: Actually
2016-09-29 22:50 Opsianos: Is it okay if I NC the slider right before those
2016-09-29 22:50 Opsianos: Cause they start on the big white tick
2016-09-29 22:50 Opsianos: Removed the NC on the stacked notes on them
2016-09-29 22:50 Opsianos: Triangle shape should be enough to emphasize the vocals visually I think :v
2016-09-29 22:50 -Bumblebee-: Is that a question?
2016-09-29 22:51 -Bumblebee-: Yeah, but for a better emphasize we use NCs lmao
2016-09-29 22:51 Opsianos: Yeah lol
2016-09-29 22:51 -Bumblebee-: 02:10:938 (5) - why this is so angled?
2016-09-29 22:51 Opsianos: NC'ing them on the vocals feels odd rhythmically though I think
2016-09-29 22:51 Opsianos: Uhh let's see
2016-09-29 22:52 Opsianos: Uhh
2016-09-29 22:52 Opsianos: Cause I'm a lazy scrub? xD
2016-09-29 22:52 Opsianos: Fixed
2016-09-29 22:52 -Bumblebee-: 02:06:866 (1,2,3,4,5) - this volume section is okay, 02:13:724 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this not :/
2016-09-29 22:52 -Bumblebee-: It's up to youu lol
2016-09-29 22:52 Opsianos: Also overlapped 02:10:295 (1) - and 02:10:938 (5) -
2016-09-29 22:52 Opsianos: 5's sliderend I mean
2016-09-29 22:53 Opsianos: oh wow
2016-09-29 22:53 -Bumblebee-: Good
2016-09-29 22:53 Opsianos: I'm a scrub
2016-09-29 22:53 -Bumblebee-: 02:34:724 (8) - ehm...NC here?
2016-09-29 22:53 Opsianos: I think I got influenced by Blue Dragon for squares
2016-09-29 22:53 Opsianos: Uhh
2016-09-29 22:53 -Bumblebee-: Naaaah, everybody can miss something 
2016-09-29 22:53 Opsianos: Let's see
2016-09-29 22:53 -Bumblebee-: Lol
2016-09-29 22:53 -Bumblebee-: 02:38:152 (8) - ^
2016-09-29 22:53 Opsianos: I think NC here's okay already
2016-09-29 22:53 Opsianos: 02:34:295 (1) -
2016-09-29 22:54 Opsianos: Cause the combos of 5 are all basically the same structure
2016-09-29 22:54 -Bumblebee-: it depends on what are you basing your mapping
2016-09-29 22:54 Opsianos: And also idk why the fck I NC'ed 02:41:581 (3) - instead of 02:41:152 (1) -
2016-09-29 22:54 Opsianos: my bad
2016-09-29 22:54 -Bumblebee-: if you are mapping the vocaloids, NC should be 02:34:724 (8) - here
2016-09-29 22:55 -Bumblebee-: if you are mapping the bass, NC should be 02:34:295 (6) - here
2016-09-29 22:55 Opsianos: Yeah NC'ed the bass
2016-09-29 22:56 -Bumblebee-: good
2016-09-29 22:56 Opsianos: Also next section is probably going to be a clusterfuck in terms of...
2016-09-29 22:56 Opsianos: Well
2016-09-29 22:56 Opsianos: Everything
2016-09-29 22:56 -Bumblebee-: mmmm
2016-09-29 22:56 Opsianos: But meant combo lol
2016-09-29 22:56 -Bumblebee-: yeah yeah
2016-09-29 22:56 -Bumblebee-: I was just thinking about that
2016-09-29 22:56 -Bumblebee-: idk how to fix your combos :/
2016-09-29 22:57 -Bumblebee-: I'm a bad modder, sry 
2016-09-29 22:57 -Bumblebee-: also
2016-09-29 22:57 -Bumblebee-: 03:00:009 (1) - idk why, but I love it
2016-09-29 22:57 Opsianos: I'll have to toy around
2016-09-29 22:57 Opsianos: And nah you're helping me a lot xD
2016-09-29 22:57 -Bumblebee-: hoping so
2016-09-29 22:57 Opsianos: I'm a bad mapper
2016-09-29 22:57 -Bumblebee-: naah
2016-09-29 22:57 -Bumblebee-: you're at the beginning, it's normal
2016-09-29 22:58 Opsianos: Idk why but I do too lol
2016-09-29 22:58 Opsianos: Reminds me of 0108
2016-09-29 22:58 -Bumblebee-: 03:04:295 (6) - hehe
2016-09-29 22:58 Opsianos: Honestly though it looks a bit TOO yucky so I'll probably refine it a little
2016-09-29 22:58 -Bumblebee-: NC there, man
2016-09-29 22:58 -Bumblebee-: because the SV change
2016-09-29 22:58 -Bumblebee-: it's always up to you
2016-09-29 22:59 Opsianos: Yeah NC'ed
2016-09-29 22:59 Opsianos: Oh you're right
2016-09-29 22:59 Opsianos: That's a good rule of thumb xP
2016-09-29 22:59 -Bumblebee-: 03:13:081 (4) - same
2016-09-29 22:59 Opsianos: I'll think of that when NC'ing
2016-09-29 22:59 -Bumblebee-: lol
2016-09-29 22:59 -Bumblebee-: 03:18:009 (5) - you know
2016-09-29 23:00 -Bumblebee-: 03:22:724 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - nice pattern
2016-09-29 23:00 -Bumblebee-: 03:24:866 (4) - NC
2016-09-29 23:00 -Bumblebee-: 03:31:724 (7) - ^
2016-09-29 23:00 Opsianos: I am Hanzer
2016-09-29 23:01 Opsianos: xP
2016-09-29 23:01 Opsianos: Okay applied the SV NC's
2016-09-29 23:02 -Bumblebee-: 04:06:295 (3,1) - try to overlap this one
2016-09-29 23:02 -Bumblebee-: would be great
2016-09-29 23:03 Opsianos: I'll go ahead and apply the SV rule to the next dubstep section too
2016-09-29 23:03 -Bumblebee-: okay man
2016-09-29 23:03 -Bumblebee-: 04:10:724 (3,2,3) - stack this
2016-09-29 23:03 Opsianos: Could I overlap 04:06:295 (3) -  with 04:06:866 (1) - 's sliderend
2016-09-29 23:03 Opsianos: Unless that's what you meant lol
2016-09-29 23:03 -Bumblebee-: 04:25:724 (3,1) - ^
2016-09-29 23:03 -Bumblebee-: yeah yeah
2016-09-29 23:04 -Bumblebee-: 04:27:224 (2,3) - blanket could be improved here lol
2016-09-29 23:05 Opsianos: okay done xP
2016-09-29 23:05 -Bumblebee-: 04:50:581 (8) - NC
2016-09-29 23:06 -Bumblebee-: 04:56:581 (1) - why this random NC? lol
2016-09-29 23:06 Opsianos: Did you mean 04:57:116 (1) -
2016-09-29 23:06 Opsianos: Cause 04:56:581 (1) - looks okay to me
2016-09-29 23:07 -Bumblebee-: yeah
2016-09-29 23:07 Opsianos: Stops the combo from going up to 14 xD
2016-09-29 23:07 -Bumblebee-: lol
2016-09-29 23:07 Opsianos: Ah okay
2016-09-29 23:07 Opsianos: I mean
2016-09-29 23:07 Opsianos: I did it for all split streams
2016-09-29 23:07 Opsianos: 03:27:438 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
2016-09-29 23:07 -Bumblebee-: and why here 04:57:009 - there are no notes?
2016-09-29 23:07 Opsianos: 03:34:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
2016-09-29 23:07 Opsianos: Oh right
2016-09-29 23:07 Opsianos: That triggers me but the synthesizer doesn't play there
2016-09-29 23:08 -Bumblebee-: well man
2016-09-29 23:08 Opsianos: I tried using a slider for 04:56:902 (4) - instead but that's awkward as hell
2016-09-29 23:08 -Bumblebee-: take a look here 03:34:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 
2016-09-29 23:08 Opsianos: So I just increased the spacing between the two bursts
2016-09-29 23:08 -Bumblebee-: and then 04:36:009 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - here
2016-09-29 23:08 Opsianos: The synthesizer actually plays there though
2016-09-29 23:08 Opsianos: Like
2016-09-29 23:08 Opsianos: I actually do the same here
2016-09-29 23:08 Opsianos: 03:06:866 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
2016-09-29 23:09 -Bumblebee-: yep
2016-09-29 23:09 Opsianos: The third kiai section's music is basically the same as the first kiai
2016-09-29 23:09 -Bumblebee-: indeed it is
2016-09-29 23:09 Opsianos: So is it okay? xD
2016-09-29 23:09 -Bumblebee-: like the forth is like the second one
2016-09-29 23:10 Opsianos: Well
2016-09-29 23:10 Opsianos: The fourth is entirely unique lol
2016-09-29 23:10 -Bumblebee-: 02:46:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 
2016-09-29 23:10 Opsianos: Since the vocals go with the dubstep at the same time for once in the song
2016-09-29 23:10 -Bumblebee-: you mapped the same section in different ways lmao
2016-09-29 23:10 Opsianos: Dx
2016-09-29 23:11 Opsianos: They're essentially the same rhythmically
2016-09-29 23:11 Opsianos: Just the spacing for the streams were different
2016-09-29 23:11 -Bumblebee-: where is your preview point?
2016-09-29 23:11 -Bumblebee-: indeed lol
2016-09-29 23:11 Opsianos: The second time is supposed to be somewhat harder cause it's rhythmically the same as the first time
2016-09-29 23:11 Opsianos: At the beginning of this second time
2016-09-29 23:11 Opsianos: 04:36:009 (1) -
2016-09-29 23:12 -Bumblebee-: alright
2016-09-29 23:12 -Bumblebee-: that's good
2016-09-29 23:12 Opsianos: I wanted the second time to be somewhat more difficult in terms of aim too since the player got used to the style of the map
2016-09-29 23:12 Opsianos: Yeah
2016-09-29 23:12 -Bumblebee-: well, think that my mod is complete now
2016-09-29 23:12 Opsianos: Whoa seriously
2016-09-29 23:12 Opsianos: No other problemos
2016-09-29 23:12 Opsianos: I mean
2016-09-29 23:13 Opsianos: Glaring ones anyway
2016-09-29 23:13 Opsianos: And specific ones
2016-09-29 23:13 -Bumblebee-: you can also set HP to 6.5 instead of 6
2016-09-29 23:13 Opsianos: 6.5
2016-09-29 23:13 Opsianos: Oh god lol
2016-09-29 23:13 Opsianos: I think I'll pass

That was a honor, hope to see you again~

Phyloukz wrote:

Holy shit, how awesome is this song....!? Oh I mean... Heyo! NM as requested from queue.

Hey, thanks for accepting (and indeed it is :3)!

mod

As I'm not really experienced mapping/modding harder maps, take everything as a suggestion play-wise. I cant really say very much about mapping-wise mainly playing-wise.

Sure, no problem

So as I played through your map I noticed, that you kinda overuse either simply curved or straight sliders. You get worned out by the intro pretty fast currently, so try to add more types of sliders with neat patterns. Work more with red anchors and the intro would already give more variety.
Also I noticed that your jumps are more randomly placed than with consistent DS policies or geometric patterns. I give you two examples so you get it better what i exactly mean: 1) http://puu.sh/rthWR/a552fa9c9c.jpg (as you can see I used one small and one twice bigger triangle for the jumps to make it more structured, also notice how i blanket the slider with circle 1) 2) http://puu.sh/rthZm/41851c8e4d.jpg - http://puu.sh/rti0n/18b6645c42.jpg both from same pattern (here i also used triangles and stacked notes. Stacking or overlapping notes in jumps are a good method to give your jumps more structure. You can also line up notes in a curved way - also given in that example - which feels very comfortable) If you combine both things the intro will be 100 times more exciting.

Yeah, the beginning is a clusterfck. Thanks a lot for the tips; I'll be sure to apply them to the first section when remapping it.

00:56:581 - If I were you I'd map this break 10/10 100% surely I'd exactly map the new sound that comes up with every 1/1 beat changing 00:59:152 - here to 1/2 and back to 1/1. You could create such great patterns along that melody.

I think that could work, but I'm too much of a scrub in mapping calm parts that it'd probably look boring and even more repetitive if I did fill that part in. I'll see if I can make something good, though.

01:57:438 - very strong beat, should be clickable

Since it's already been mentioned, I'll replace it with two circles of greater spacing.

01:59:152 - ^

^

02:00:866 - ^ and so on... you get the idea. I highly recommend you to make them clickable, I know you mapped along smth else but you should keep that clickable

Yeah, I'm aware that slider ends should not be used for strong sounds, but I guess I thought it wasn't too bad as long as it was consistent. Oh whale, time to remap.

02:27:438 - same, and so on
I think you should remap that part. Focus on the really strong beats, making a 1/2 or even a 1/1 slider on the strong downbeats (big white tick) isnt a bad idea, for now it just looks like you mapped into the void

Okay, that actually wasn't intentional. I must be going deaf

02:25:724 - this MUST be clickable too, this is like one of the strongest downbeats the song has

Yes sir

02:19:724 (4,1) - aesthetically to close to each other, make blankets etc for example http://puu.sh/rtiT1/7be1a55411.jpg (02:20:581 (1,2,3,4,5) - ) also notice how i used overlap to create structure for the jumps and how i blanket'd both slider so jumps and slider look together



02:52:724 (10,11,12,13) - really hard to read, i missed there both times i played it. definetly NC circle (10) at least

NC'ed that as well as 02:52:295 (1) -

the stream jumps are very well placed, they flow nicely and pleasantly
05:20:581 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - overdone (way too high distance snap (DS) with no reason) imo. I was completely overwhelmed as i played it and i didnt feel any intense part for such a high DS

Nah, I need these jumps to boost the star rating and amount of pp that my map gives, git gud scrub lo--seriously though; I can agree that it is overdone and I can change the pattern, but I think this part calls for a higher DS because it's a culmination of the dubstep and the vocals combined. I'll try finding another pattern, or nerf it (probably the latter, because the mapping style for the ending is supposed to have gradually increasing DS to symbolize falling apart and breaking down as the lyrics of the song suggest).

05:27:652 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - same

I'm going to disagree this time and say that this part, right before the drop, is the most intense part of the song. I think the high DS is appropriate.

The main issue is that you are completely ignoring the strong beats. I know you map vocals but you cant just ignore the ultra loud beats which are 3 times louder than vocals. Focus on making strong beats clickable and you'll be ok. (:

Okay, this I agree of being guilty of. I'll incorporate the dubstep and the beat of the song more rather than solely the vocals, but I still want to showcase the latter since it's the first time that the vocals go hand in hand with the synthesizer.

Pretty sure you mean the whole map, too, so I'll keep it in mind while remapping.

I hope my mod helped you, I really like the song and the map (I enjoyed playing it, ofc since i wouldnt have played it twice ). Keep it up!
GL with your map and happy mapping! (:

Thanks for the mod and the support!