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CaffeAmericano

Joined January 2015

CaffeAmericano 2016-09-15T17:21:16+00:00

@_Yiiiii

I'll grab a random BN or QAT to verify this. Should be an easy fix if it turns out unrankable. Thanks for bringing this to attention~

Sonnyc

7,753 posts

Joined June 2008

Sonnyc 2016-09-15T17:36:14+00:00

Dropping my opinion passing by.

I guess the mapper should think more carefully about the usage of sliders such as 01:01:251 (1) - 01:02:884 (2) etc. As you might understand, that slider form is "not" something ordinary, but rather a special form. I can see the first one being used along the vocal "UH!!", but much less corresponding element in the music for the latter one. I'd like you to think twice about your slider designs. The key word here would be "consistency".

And to the real issue...

01:01:251 (1) - 01:04:984 (1) - 01:16:184 (1) - Technically, only the last slider is directly unrankable since the reverse arrow isn't facing the proper slider path. But well for the first two sliders... It only feels like an unnecessary attempt due to the lack of understanding of bezier sliders. Just in my opinion. Think what kind of effect you want to achieve by using such a setting.

Pereira006

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2,801 posts

Joined October 2010

Pereira006 2016-09-15T19:59:33+00:00

we did fix huge rhythm and spread in stage 2, and something stuff and discussion about mapping

irc

18:27 Ora: Hi pereira...I have a request for you ._.
18:27 Ora: possibly GD
18:27 Pereira006: hmm sure if videogame
18:28 Ora: yup it is. I have a mapset ready but I feel like my Normal diff is really messy
18:28 Ora: and I'm not sure what to do
18:28 *Ora is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1072404 Yuzo Koshiro - Attack the Barbarian]
18:28 Pereira006: what wrong you normal ?
18:28 Pereira006: let me check
18:28 Pereira006: normal is Stage 2 ?
18:29 Ora: yes Stage 2
18:29 Ora: ^^
18:29 Pereira006: you have to put description about all this stage
18:29 Pereira006: to BN will understand
18:29 Pereira006: Level name is important
18:29 Ora: so like "Normal STAGE 2?
18:30 Pereira006: no no, i mean put Description
18:30 Pereira006: wait
18:30 Pereira006: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/239262
18:30 Pereira006: example this https://puu.sh/rcktn/f5759b28ef.png
18:31 Ora: oohh I see
18:31 Pereira006: so BN, modders and community will understand
18:31 Ora: well I have a picture
18:31 Ora: of all the stage bosses
18:31 Pereira006: because "spread"
18:31 Ora: does that work?
18:31 Pereira006: wich picture ?
18:31 Ora: look in my description
18:32 Pereira006: ho i just notice lol
18:32 Pereira006: that cool >p
18:32 Pereira006: * :p
18:32 Ora: is that okay?
18:32 Pereira006: ya ya lol
18:32 Ora: I can make more clear if you want
18:32 Pereira006: no no, is fine that
18:32 Pereira006: description look good
18:32 Pereira006: now let me checkj you noraml
18:33 Pereira006: *check normal
18:33 Ora: okay ^^
18:33 Ora: Kiai just feels messy
18:34 Ora: idk
18:34 Pereira006: the kiai look unfit rhythm and messy for me
18:34 Ora: yeah...I have remapped like 5 times
18:35 Ora: trying to make it so it's ~2*
18:35 Ora: for spread
18:43 Pereira006: 00:15:052 (1,2,3,4,5) - If me style i would use this https://puu.sh/rcle6/5789b6e8ec.jpg
18:43 Pereira006: and again other pattern (well song is repeative)
18:44 Pereira006: there many different rhythm to fit but for me i would follow beat + instruments this level diff
18:44 Ora: Ah i see
18:44 Ora: my problem is that it will nerf the diff
18:44 Ora: and ruin the spread
18:44 Pereira006: kiai just look abuse, lot 1/2
18:44 Pereira006: really need nerf
18:44 Pereira006: yup
18:45 Pereira006: the bpm is low but still abuse 1/2
18:45 Ora: but then I can't rank D:
18:45 Ora: can i?
18:48 Pereira006: stage 4 is too hard _
18:48 Pereira006: ?
18:48 Pereira006: the play and level look is insane
18:50 Ora: yeah.....
18:50 Ora: lolol
18:50 Pereira006: as EX-bn
18:50 Ora: is that bad?
18:50 Pereira006: Stage 2 and stage 4 is kindy me worry lol
18:51 Ora: fk
18:51 Pereira006: if stage 3 is advance and stage 4 is hard
18:51 Pereira006: that fine i think
18:51 Pereira006: stage 2, need neft
18:51 Pereira006: other diff-s look fine
18:52 Pereira006: ho, consistency is key for you future mapping
18:52 Pereira006: consistency is important
18:52 Ora: do you think mapset is ruined?
18:53 Ora: unrankable?
18:55 Pereira006: you don-t need my GD normal
18:56 Pereira006: in 00:15:052 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - change rhythm this https://puu.sh/rcm6A/ebf7b3e1f3.jpg
18:56 Pereira006: then copy/paste other pattern
18:56 Pereira006: for consistency
18:56 Pereira006: try my rhythm if you like
18:56 Ora: can I use same spacing?
18:57 Pereira006: yes
18:57 Pereira006: normal cannot use jump or antispacing
18:57 Ora: ok I will try then
18:57 Pereira006: always use normal spacing
18:57 Pereira006: pick normal spacing number
18:57 Pereira006: i see you normal spacing number is 1.10
18:58 Ora: yup! ok I will use that
18:58 Pereira006: Normal level only use 1 number of normal spacing
18:58 Pereira006: use this and finish kiai, copy-paste is fine just for consistency
18:58 Pereira006: example my maps all ranks they are copy-paste xd
18:59 Ora: Can I use your maps for ideas? (not copy your ideas) :p
19:00 Pereira006: is fine you use my ideia or copy lol
19:00 Pereira006: I stole oldstyle another old mapper xd
19:00 Pereira006: then find you own new style
19:01 Ora: lol...im so bad at flow
19:01 Ora: thanks for help ^^
19:01 Ora: you sure you don't want GD?
19:01 Ora: or collab normal
19:01 Ora: you can map kiai :p
19:01 Pereira006: lol u sure ?
19:01 Pereira006: well then i will use kiai
19:02 Ora: only if you want
19:02 Ora: I wont force you
19:02 Ora: but it would be appreciated
19:17 Pereira006: https://puu.sh/rcnxY/cf16d9fdf9.osu
19:17 Pereira006: see if you like
19:20 Ora: that's perfect! I hear the rhythm you were talking about
19:20 Pereira006: ho another thing
19:20 Ora: 00:39:318 (5) -
19:20 Pereira006: Easy and normal, always NC every 1/8 like my kiai
19:21 Ora: do you think that can lead into 6 better?
19:21 Pereira006: is level low
19:21 Pereira006: that slider i would follow melody than beats
19:21 Pereira006: you can listen the melody is very high than beat
19:21 Pereira006: so slider seem fit for me
19:22 Ora: yeah slider is fine
19:22 Pereira006: wait you mean 6 flow with 5 ?
19:22 Ora: but direction
19:22 Ora: maybe like this: http://puu.sh/rcnSG/75f216d333.jpg
19:22 Pereira006: ok ok, change left xd
19:22 Pereira006: yaya
19:22 Pereira006: my english suck
19:22 Pereira006: anyway yeah, fix
19:22 Ora: haha it's okay ^^
19:22 Ora: I can fix it
19:22 Pereira006: cool
19:23 Pereira006: ho hitsound i didn-t add
19:23 Pereira006: must be you
19:23 Ora: so NC needs fix?
19:23 Pereira006: ya
19:23 Ora: yeah i will
19:23 Pereira006: see my kiai
19:23 Pereira006: i did nc every 1/8
19:23 Pereira006: this is better read for lower diff expect hard, insane, extra
19:23 Pereira006: sometime easy and normal use NC 1/4 but little risky
19:24 Pereira006: (not affect RC but 1/8 is better)
19:24 Ora: ok so make 1/8 for normal/Easy?
19:24 Pereira006: ya
19:24 Pereira006: i have to go dinner, will back
19:24 Ora: ok. you should post chatlog to thread
19:24 Ora: so I give kds
19:24 Ora: :p
19:49 Pereira006: hey
19:49 Pereira006: in stage 5
19:49 Pereira006: 01:07:318 (1) - can you make this more symentric ?
19:49 Pereira006: 01:12:917 (5) - need NC, when SV change, always nc
19:49 Pereira006: 01:18:517 (1) - remenber i said consistency ? consistency is key
19:50 Pereira006: that could remove NC because in 01:11:051 (4) - you didn-t NC
19:50 Pereira006: and song is repeative, be carefully you style
19:50 Pereira006: style of consistency very MEGA SUPER important xd
19:52 Ora: I thought I would ok to just be creative with the sliders D:
19:52 Ora: be ok*
19:52 Pereira006: lol if you disagree my suggestion you can stay that
19:53 Ora: I think the first one you mentioned is fine
19:53 Ora: I will change the last 1
19:53 Pereira006: anyway you need more opinion of bn or higher experience modder because stage 4 spread
19:54 Pereira006: will post and remenber in future consistency is you friend XD

I wish good luck this set.

Ora

959 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

Ora 2016-09-15T20:13:01+00:00

Pereira006 wrote:
we did fix huge rhythm and spread in stage 2, and something stuff and discussion about mapping

irc
18:27 Ora: Hi pereira...I have a request for you ._.
18:27 Ora: possibly GD
18:27 Pereira006: hmm sure if videogame
18:28 Ora: yup it is. I have a mapset ready but I feel like my Normal diff is really messy
18:28 Ora: and I'm not sure what to do
18:28 *Ora is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1072404 Yuzo Koshiro - Attack the Barbarian]
18:28 Pereira006: what wrong you normal ?
18:28 Pereira006: let me check
18:28 Pereira006: normal is Stage 2 ?
18:29 Ora: yes Stage 2
18:29 Ora: ^^
18:29 Pereira006: you have to put description about all this stage
18:29 Pereira006: to BN will understand
18:29 Pereira006: Level name is important
18:29 Ora: so like "Normal STAGE 2?
18:30 Pereira006: no no, i mean put Description
18:30 Pereira006: wait
18:30 Pereira006: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/239262
18:30 Pereira006: example this https://puu.sh/rcktn/f5759b28ef.png
18:31 Ora: oohh I see
18:31 Pereira006: so BN, modders and community will understand
18:31 Ora: well I have a picture
18:31 Ora: of all the stage bosses
18:31 Pereira006: because "spread"
18:31 Ora: does that work?
18:31 Pereira006: wich picture ?
18:31 Ora: look in my description
18:32 Pereira006: ho i just notice lol
18:32 Pereira006: that cool >p
18:32 Pereira006: * :p
18:32 Ora: is that okay?
18:32 Pereira006: ya ya lol
18:32 Ora: I can make more clear if you want
18:32 Pereira006: no no, is fine that
18:32 Pereira006: description look good
18:32 Pereira006: now let me checkj you noraml
18:33 Pereira006: *check normal
18:33 Ora: okay ^^
18:33 Ora: Kiai just feels messy
18:34 Ora: idk
18:34 Pereira006: the kiai look unfit rhythm and messy for me
18:34 Ora: yeah...I have remapped like 5 times
18:35 Ora: trying to make it so it's ~2*
18:35 Ora: for spread
18:43 Pereira006: 00:15:052 (1,2,3,4,5) - If me style i would use this https://puu.sh/rcle6/5789b6e8ec.jpg
18:43 Pereira006: and again other pattern (well song is repeative)
18:44 Pereira006: there many different rhythm to fit but for me i would follow beat + instruments this level diff
18:44 Ora: Ah i see
18:44 Ora: my problem is that it will nerf the diff
18:44 Ora: and ruin the spread
18:44 Pereira006: kiai just look abuse, lot 1/2
18:44 Pereira006: really need nerf
18:44 Pereira006: yup
18:45 Pereira006: the bpm is low but still abuse 1/2
18:45 Ora: but then I can't rank D:
18:45 Ora: can i?
18:48 Pereira006: stage 4 is too hard _
18:48 Pereira006: ?
18:48 Pereira006: the play and level look is insane
18:50 Ora: yeah.....
18:50 Ora: lolol
18:50 Pereira006: as EX-bn
18:50 Ora: is that bad?
18:50 Pereira006: Stage 2 and stage 4 is kindy me worry lol
18:51 Ora: fk
18:51 Pereira006: if stage 3 is advance and stage 4 is hard
18:51 Pereira006: that fine i think
18:51 Pereira006: stage 2, need neft
18:51 Pereira006: other diff-s look fine
18:52 Pereira006: ho, consistency is key for you future mapping
18:52 Pereira006: consistency is important
18:52 Ora: do you think mapset is ruined?
18:53 Ora: unrankable?
18:55 Pereira006: you don-t need my GD normal
18:56 Pereira006: in 00:15:052 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - change rhythm this https://puu.sh/rcm6A/ebf7b3e1f3.jpg
18:56 Pereira006: then copy/paste other pattern
18:56 Pereira006: for consistency
18:56 Pereira006: try my rhythm if you like
18:56 Ora: can I use same spacing?
18:57 Pereira006: yes
18:57 Pereira006: normal cannot use jump or antispacing
18:57 Ora: ok I will try then
18:57 Pereira006: always use normal spacing
18:57 Pereira006: pick normal spacing number
18:57 Pereira006: i see you normal spacing number is 1.10
18:58 Ora: yup! ok I will use that
18:58 Pereira006: Normal level only use 1 number of normal spacing
18:58 Pereira006: use this and finish kiai, copy-paste is fine just for consistency
18:58 Pereira006: example my maps all ranks they are copy-paste xd
18:59 Ora: Can I use your maps for ideas? (not copy your ideas) :p
19:00 Pereira006: is fine you use my ideia or copy lol
19:00 Pereira006: I stole oldstyle another old mapper xd
19:00 Pereira006: then find you own new style
19:01 Ora: lol...im so bad at flow
19:01 Ora: thanks for help ^^
19:01 Ora: you sure you don't want GD?
19:01 Ora: or collab normal
19:01 Ora: you can map kiai :p
19:01 Pereira006: lol u sure ?
19:01 Pereira006: well then i will use kiai
19:02 Ora: only if you want
19:02 Ora: I wont force you
19:02 Ora: but it would be appreciated
19:17 Pereira006: https://puu.sh/rcnxY/cf16d9fdf9.osu
19:17 Pereira006: see if you like
19:20 Ora: that's perfect! I hear the rhythm you were talking about
19:20 Pereira006: ho another thing
19:20 Ora: 00:39:318 (5) -
19:20 Pereira006: Easy and normal, always NC every 1/8 like my kiai
19:21 Ora: do you think that can lead into 6 better?
19:21 Pereira006: is level low
19:21 Pereira006: that slider i would follow melody than beats
19:21 Pereira006: you can listen the melody is very high than beat
19:21 Pereira006: so slider seem fit for me
19:22 Ora: yeah slider is fine
19:22 Pereira006: wait you mean 6 flow with 5 ?
19:22 Ora: but direction
19:22 Ora: maybe like this: http://puu.sh/rcnSG/75f216d333.jpg
19:22 Pereira006: ok ok, change left xd
19:22 Pereira006: yaya
19:22 Pereira006: my english suck
19:22 Pereira006: anyway yeah, fix
19:22 Ora: haha it's okay ^^
19:22 Ora: I can fix it
19:22 Pereira006: cool
19:23 Pereira006: ho hitsound i didn-t add
19:23 Pereira006: must be you
19:23 Ora: so NC needs fix?
19:23 Pereira006: ya
19:23 Ora: yeah i will
19:23 Pereira006: see my kiai
19:23 Pereira006: i did nc every 1/8
19:23 Pereira006: this is better read for lower diff expect hard, insane, extra
19:23 Pereira006: sometime easy and normal use NC 1/4 but little risky
19:24 Pereira006: (not affect RC but 1/8 is better)
19:24 Ora: ok so make 1/8 for normal/Easy?
19:24 Pereira006: ya
19:24 Pereira006: i have to go dinner, will back
19:24 Ora: ok. you should post chatlog to thread
19:24 Ora: so I give kds
19:24 Ora: :p
19:49 Pereira006: hey
19:49 Pereira006: in stage 5
19:49 Pereira006: 01:07:318 (1) - can you make this more symentric ?
19:49 Pereira006: 01:12:917 (5) - need NC, when SV change, always nc
19:49 Pereira006: 01:18:517 (1) - remenber i said consistency ? consistency is key
19:50 Pereira006: that could remove NC because in 01:11:051 (4) - you didn-t NC
19:50 Pereira006: and song is repeative, be carefully you style
19:50 Pereira006: style of consistency very MEGA SUPER important xd
19:52 Ora: I thought I would ok to just be creative with the sliders D:
19:52 Ora: be ok*
19:52 Pereira006: lol if you disagree my suggestion you can stay that
19:53 Ora: I think the first one you mentioned is fine
19:53 Ora: I will change the last 1
19:53 Pereira006: anyway you need more opinion of bn or higher experience modder because stage 4 spread
19:54 Pereira006: will post and remenber in future consistency is you friend XD

I wish good luck this set.

Pereira006 you were a huge help and I hope to work with you more

Will change STAGE 2 to "STAGE 2 Collab" or "Collab STAGE 2"? on next update. I'm really hoping there is no issue with the difficulty spread.

Pachiru

osu! Alumni

2,957 posts

Joined June 2013

Pachiru 2016-09-17T01:23:36+00:00

Mod from my queue + Streets of rage bae ♥

[EASY - STAGE 1]

00:11:319 (1) - Nerf this blanket, it's not really well done, try to work with the red anchor, and it will be easily done.
00:11:319 (1,3) - Move this pattern away, because there is some overleap here.
00:29:985 (1) - Give a shape to this slider, I think it could be so pretty nice if it got curved shape!
01:07:318 (1) - Move this slider to make a blanket with the note here → 01:06:851 (4) -

[NORMAL - STAGE 2]

00:07:586 (1,2) - In my opinion, you should reverse the shape of the second slider, because it's like it got broken with the previous one, I don't know if you got what I want to say.
00:32:785 (7) - Blanket with the next slider, try to move a bit the next slider, to make a perfect blanket with the next one
00:41:185 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - For me, this pattern is quite strange, it's like those notes could be placed so much better, the previous parts like this were better imo!

Here it is, I hope it will help you, it's a small mod I know, but I didn't find that much things to say about your maps, since I can't mod more than 4* o/
By the way, it's a very nice choice of song, I hope it will get ranked soon, because it's one of my favorite game ! :3
Nice hitsounds sample!
I like the Insane diff and the Extra one :3

CodeS

1,142 posts

Joined September 2011

CodeS 2016-09-17T03:41:13+00:00

Hi Hi!

From my Q!

STAGE 1:

00:16:919 (3) - Curve it and move it a bit to the left so the flow ends being not so sharp here.

SPOILER

00:21:586 (4) - In my opinion, you should try something like what you did in next similar area (like 00:24:385 (3,4) - ), this slider feels weird because the base is so faint and the strong sound is in the tail, and the next being a long slider feels... underwhelming? try going for reverse 00:20:652 (3) - and note 00:20:652 (3) - to put emphasis on the strong beat. maybe something like?

SPOILER

(also next parts are ok, because for example this 00:29:052 (4) - , it has a stronger base sound like the example before, it has some kind of drum tremble so there's no need to change)

00:54:251 (3,4) - In my opinion you should curve this, while is not much of a big deal, 2 lines look ugly with the "whoosh" sound happening which you've been using for neat sliders.

SPOILER

[img]blob:http://imgur.com/f4d3ddc4-ec00-4750-a731-348b905ec180[/img]

01:10:584 - Missing a note?

01:18:051 - Same

STAGE 2

00:03:853 (1) - Minor change, move this to x: 68 y: 156 and curve it a bit more to the next slider to improve a bit more the initial flow.

SPOILER

00:08:519 (2) - try this http://i.imgur.com/wEUGrHS.png , the current one feels weird guiding the player to the outside area and also flows kinda bad

00:13:186 (4,5,6) - try to spread out a little bit this triangle, right now it feels extremely crowded and messy.

00:34:419 (2,3) - It makes more sense to keep the curve flow going down instead of the change of direction on 00:34:419 (2) - , similar to what you did here 00:23:219 (2,3,4) -

Not much to say about this diff, it was very good!

STAGE 3

00:13:652 (2) - CTR G, this pattern is already kinda messy to make it even more with the flow, the jump 00:14:119 (3,4) - here is already enough to put emphasis

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Sorry it was this small, but your map truly surprised me, is actually very good with good flow!

Have a star! Good luck with this!

Ora

959 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

Ora 2016-09-17T22:43:09+00:00

Pachiru wrote:
Mod from my queue + Streets of rage bae ♥

[EASY - STAGE 1]
00:11:319 (1) - Nerf this blanket, it's not really well done, try to work with the red anchor, and it will be easily done. Remapped this part, because it's too crowded and I couldn't find a fix...
00:11:319 (1,3) - Move this pattern away, because there is some overleap here. ^
00:29:985 (1) - Give a shape to this slider, I think it could be so pretty nice if it got curved shape! I guess so...
01:07:318 (1) - Move this slider to make a blanket with the note here → 01:06:851 (4) - personal preference to not do this. and there is no consistent DS if I blanket it anyways
[NORMAL - STAGE 2]
00:07:586 (1,2) - In my opinion, you should reverse the shape of the second slider, because it's like it got broken with the previous one, I don't know if you got what I want to say. Done
00:32:785 (7) - Blanket with the next slider, try to move a bit the next slider, to make a perfect blanket with the next one fixed i think
00:41:185 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - For me, this pattern is quite strange, it's like those notes could be placed so much better, the previous parts like this were better imo! placed better how? o_o
Here it is, I hope it will help you, it's a small mod I know, but I didn't find that much things to say about your maps, since I can't mod more than 4* o/
By the way, it's a very nice choice of song, I hope it will get ranked soon, because it's one of my favorite game ! :3
Nice hitsounds sample!
I like the Insane diff and the Extra one :3

Getting it ranked is the plan Thanks for the mod

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Katyusha wrote:
Hi Hi!

From my Q!

STAGE 1:

00:16:919 (3) - Curve it and move it a bit to the left so the flow ends being not so sharp here. i like it now

SPOILER

00:21:586 (4) - In my opinion, you should try something like what you did in next similar area (like 00:24:385 (3,4) - ), this slider feels weird because the base is so faint and the strong sound is in the tail, and the next being a long slider feels... underwhelming? try going for reverse 00:20:652 (3) - and note 00:20:652 (3) - to put emphasis on the strong beat. maybe something like? I'm consistent with these sliders 00:20:652 (3,4) - throughout the whole rhythm if you look at 00:28:119 (3,4) - 00:35:585 (3,4) - 00:43:052 (3,4) - . It's easy diff anyways, and I dont want to make it simple and consistent. Thanks for explaining your idea though

SPOILER

(also next parts are ok, because for example this 00:29:052 (4) - , it has a stronger base sound like the example before, it has some kind of drum tremble so there's no need to change)

00:54:251 (3,4) - In my opinion you should curve this, while is not much of a big deal, 2 lines look ugly with the "whoosh" sound happening which you've been using for neat sliders. Ok...curved a little bit, and your imgur link you put here is broken D: so I couldn't see how you wanted them

SPOILER
[img]blob:http://imgur.com/f4d3ddc4-ec00-4750-a731-348b905ec180[/img]

01:10:584 - Missing a note? Just as above, making this diff as simple as possible. If a BN says I need to have a note here then I will.

01:18:051 - Same
^
STAGE 2

00:03:853 (1) - Minor change, move this to x: 68 y: 156 and curve it a bit more to the next slider to improve a bit more the initial flow. moved a little bit for "better flow" but I think the slider shape is fine.

SPOILER

00:08:519 (2) - try this http://i.imgur.com/wEUGrHS.png , the current one feels weird guiding the player to the outside area and also flows kinda bad Fixed because other people complained about it, but I still don't see how it "flows bad". slider 1 leads to slider 2 perfectly fine imo

00:13:186 (4,5,6) - try to spread out a little bit this triangle, right now it feels extremely crowded and messy. I don't see how it's messy (it's perfectly symmetrical), and I'm not going to spread it out because I'm only using 1.1 DS in the whole diff.

00:34:419 (2,3) - It makes more sense to keep the curve flow going down instead of the change of direction on 00:34:419 (2) - , similar to what you did here 00:23:219 (2,3,4) - I don't see why it "makes more sense" other than that I changed up the patterns which imo isn't a huge reason to change it. I think it plays fine. if others agree with you then I will consider it.

Not much to say about this diff, it was very good!

STAGE 3

00:13:652 (2) - CTR G, this pattern is already kinda messy to make it even more with the flow, the jump 00:14:119 (3,4) - here is already enough to put emphasis Yeah I was trying to figure out what was wrong with this part I mapped. Your suggestion works! Thanks
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Sorry it was this small, but your map truly surprised me, is actually very good with good flow!

Have a star! Good luck with this!

Thanks for the star and the mod

CaffeAmericano

615 posts

Joined January 2015

CaffeAmericano 2016-09-17T23:49:46+00:00

@SonnyC

I was able to get noz's thought about 01:16:184 (1) - as well, and he thinks it should be "ok in theory". So maybe it's bit of a gray area, but I don't want to give ora any trouble ranking this for my stubbornness, so I'll adjust the slider.\

As for 01:02:884 (2) - , I've been doing something similar consistently every two measures: ( 01:06:618 (2) - 01:10:351 (2) - 01:14:084 (2) - 01:17:817 (2) - ). This part of the music repeats same rhythm every two measure, so toward the end of the measure, my intention was to use unusual shape/flow to highlight the transition. If there's better way, I'd be willing to change, but if consistency is the key issue, I think I've been consistent.

Thanks for your advice!

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Ora

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Topic Starter

Ora 2016-09-18T00:45:46+00:00

CaffeAmericano wrote:

@SonnyC

I was able to get noz's thought about 01:16:184 (1) - as well, and he thinks it should be "ok in theory". So maybe it's bit of a gray area, but I don't want to give ora any trouble ranking this for my stubbornness, so I'll adjust the slider.\

As for 01:02:884 (2) - , I've been doing something similar consistently every two measures: ( 01:06:618 (2) - 01:10:351 (2) - 01:14:084 (2) - 01:17:817 (2) - ). This part of the music repeats same rhythm every two measure, so toward the end of the measure, my intention was to use unusual shape/flow to highlight the transition. If there's better way, I'd be willing to change, but if consistency is the key issue, I think I've been consistent.

Thanks for your advice!

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Personally I agreed with you and thought that the reverse slider you initially had emphasized the "UH!" better, but I can see Sonny's point as well. The ones you have now aren't THAT much different, so I think we will be fine with what you have now ^_^

Affirmation

2,543 posts

Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2016-09-18T02:27:27+00:00

[Caffe's Final]
00:03:853 (1,2) - 00:04:553 (4,5) - 이거 두개는 박자가 다른데 거리가 같이요. 이거 리딩에 조금 무리가 있을것 같습니다.
00:05:719 (1,2) - 00:09:453 (1,2) - ......마찬가지
00:22:052 (5) - 앞에는 리버스 안쓰셨잖아요. 이것도 똑같이 리버스 안쓰는게 좋을것 같네요.
00:33:252 (4,1) - 개인적인 의견이지만 00:33:602 (5) - 이거에 맞춰서 대칭맞춰주시면 보기 예쁠것 같아요.
00:35:119 (4,1) - ^
00:38:618 (2,1) - 스택 에러.
00:51:685 (2) - 일단 00:51:918 (1,1) - 이거에 맞춰서 쟤도 뉴콤 넣어주시고.....이 패턴은 오버랩하는것보다는 다르게 배치하는게 더 예쁠것 같네요.
00:55:418 (2,3) - 블랭킷
00:59:268 (3,4,5,6,7) - 별패턴을 만들어 보아요. 00:59:385 (4,6) - 드개 컨트롤 지 하시구 00:59:501 (5,6) - 도 컨트롤지 하면 별패턴...
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Signum

Signum 2016-09-18T08:49:54+00:00

m4m
small mod because your map is totally clean

Stage 1
00:36:518 (4,1) - This can be blanketed better

Stage 3
00:24:385 (1,5) - Try to avoid this overlap

Stage 5
I find it really weird that you had put the spinner here but you didn't in previous difficulties
00:08:753 (7) - Also patterns like these are also weird. Maybe use 1/12 or 1/16 sliders with reverse arrows?
00:36:985 (9,1) - I kinda don't like the way you made the slider number 9. Removing one reverse arrow would be good

I have nothing to say for other difficulties. This map is really clean.
Good luck

Grrum

886 posts

Joined November 2011

Grrum 2016-09-18T17:11:17+00:00

Hi. Here from modding queue. I took a brief look at this map, and I don't really want to give a picky mod about it, but there is a big issue I have with it that I can quickly address.

[Stage 5]

01:07:318 (1) - This long slider is an extreme reduction in intensity of the map. The song, however, doesn't feel weak here. I realize you're trying to acknowledge a certain track of the song, but the play it creates has bad pacing. One option you can do is to start on this track of the music and transition to a different one later to capture a somewhat similar feel like maybe: http://puu.sh/rfBn0/fb36dffb8d.jpg . However, this transition still tries to incorporate two wildly different aspects of the song and doesn't feel good to me either. I don't like making suggestions like "follow this track as opposed to the one you want," but this long note just doesn't go well with what you have before it that I'm kind of forced to say this.
01:09:184 (7,8,1) - This would apply to all the other long sliders that go with the really weak track of the song.

Taking a brief look at Stage 4, I think I see a similar problem.

Ora

959 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

Ora 2016-09-18T17:46:09+00:00

Signum wrote:
m4m
small mod because your map is totally clean

Stage 1
00:36:518 (4,1) - This can be blanketed better Not going to add more curve to slider 4, but I centered 1 a little better

Stage 3
00:24:385 (1,5) - Try to avoid this overlap alright, fixed

Stage 5
I find it really weird that you had put the spinner here but you didn't in previous difficulties yeah idk either lol. Fixed
00:08:753 (7) - Also patterns like these are also weird. Maybe use 1/12 or 1/16 sliders with reverse arrows? I'm not too sure what you mean. Do you hear 1/12 / 1/16 here? I think 1/8 brings out the part well enough and I'm not sure how it's "weird".
00:36:985 (9,1) - I kinda don't like the way you made the slider number 9. Removing one reverse arrow would be good I use it because there's a distinguishable beat found here and at 00:22:052 (9) - and they are the only ones. Bother are right in the middle of each Kiai.

I have nothing to say for other difficulties. This map is really clean.
Good luck

Thanks for the mod ^^

pinataman wrote:
Hi. Here from modding queue. I took a brief look at this map, and I don't really want to give a picky mod about it, but there is a big issue I have with it that I can quickly address.

[Stage 5]

01:07:318 (1) - This long slider is an extreme reduction in intensity of the map. The song, however, doesn't feel weak here. I realize you're trying to acknowledge a certain track of the song, but the play it creates has bad pacing. One option you can do is to start on this track of the music and transition to a different one later to capture a somewhat similar feel like maybe: http://puu.sh/rfBn0/fb36dffb8d.jpg . However, this transition still tries to incorporate two wildly different aspects of the song and doesn't feel good to me either. I don't like making suggestions like "follow this track as opposed to the one you want," but this long note just doesn't go well with what you have before it that I'm kind of forced to say this.
01:09:184 (7,8,1) - This would apply to all the other long sliders that go with the really weak track of the song.

Taking a brief look at Stage 4, I think I see a similar problem. I understand how you feel about this part, but I disagree. I don't see how it creates bad pacing at all. Unless you are focusing on the SV which I also think is reasonable. The part notifies the player that the map is coming to an end.The other problem with this part is the 1/6 doubles, which are actually pretty hard to hit consistently (they are super fast). I wanted to give the player a break from those as well, but I did have them come up one last time at 01:12:917 (2) - which I thought was reasonable. Overall, I just don't agree with your point about "pacing". Thanks though, you were the first person to bring this to my eyes and force me to think/explain myself. If any BNs have something to say about this similar issue, and they can add onto your argument more, then I will consider changing some stuff up.

CaffeAmericano

615 posts

Joined January 2015

CaffeAmericano 2016-09-18T20:57:54+00:00

Neoskylove wrote:
[Caffe's Final]
00:03:853 (1,2) - 00:04:553 (4,5) - 이거 두개는 박자가 다른데 거리가 같이요. 이거 리딩에 조금 무리가 있을것 같습니다. please refer to p/5479492
00:05:719 (1,2) - 00:09:453 (1,2) - ......마찬가지 ^
00:22:052 (5) - 앞에는 리버스 안쓰셨잖아요. 이것도 똑같이 리버스 안쓰는게 좋을것 같네요. 드럼이 달라서 변화를 줘 봤습니다 :3
00:33:252 (4,1) - 개인적인 의견이지만 00:33:602 (5) - 이거에 맞춰서 대칭맞춰주시면 보기 예쁠것 같아요. changed
00:35:119 (4,1) - ^ ^
00:38:618 (2,1) - 스택 에러. fix
00:51:685 (2) - 일단 00:51:918 (1,1) - 이거에 맞춰서 쟤도 뉴콤 넣어주시고.....이 패턴은 오버랩하는것보다는 다르게 배치하는게 더 예쁠것 같네요. fixed 패턴 재배치는 더 좋은 생각이 나면 해볼게요
00:55:418 (2,3) - 블랭킷 너무 많이 커브 주기 싫어서 일부러 안 했습니다
00:59:268 (3,4,5,6,7) - 별패턴을 만들어 보아요. 00:59:385 (4,6) - 드개 컨트롤 지 하시구 00:59:501 (5,6) - 도 컨트롤지 하면 별패턴... 난이도 때문에 안 했는데, 한번 해 보겠습니다
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모딩 감사합니다!

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[Events]
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Zyl

520 posts

Joined October 2013

Zyl 2016-09-18T22:47:56+00:00

Still need the hard diff?

Ora

959 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

Ora 2016-09-18T23:25:50+00:00

Nope ! I think I fixed the spread. Thanks for asking though.

thzz

579 posts

Joined May 2012

thzz 2016-09-19T17:48:48+00:00

hi~
from my Hitsound mod queue!
I came here just for checking hitsounding.

[STAGE 1~5]

01:22:367 (1) - volume down here?

[STAGE 1]

00:12:719 - clap
00:13:652 - clap?
00:14:586 - clap

[Caffe's FINAL STAGE]

00:33:719 - remove clap

okay, almost perfect I think.
gl~

Ora

959 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

Ora 2016-09-19T20:05:16+00:00

thzz wrote:
hi~
from my Hitsound mod queue!
I came here just for checking hitsounding.

[STAGE 1~5]
01:22:367 (1) - volume down here?
[STAGE 1]
00:12:719 - clap
00:13:652 - clap?
00:14:586 - clap
[Caffe's FINAL STAGE]
00:33:719 - remove clap
okay, almost perfect I think.
gl~

Hitsounds fixed ! Thanks thzz ^^

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

3,596 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2016-09-20T10:12:12+00:00

so after playing the higher diff, the gap between I => X feels really huge. stage5 is mapped pretty much like 129bpm, but the extra is mapped like doublebpm with big spacingin on the 1/4. especially pattern like 00:36:985 (3,4,5,6,1) - and 00:59:268 (3,4,5,6,7) -
really think another diff which is mapped more like the top diff but with way less spacing/more alternating friendly patterns would fit well

[caffe]
00:16:802 (6,1) - spacing seems weird considering 1 sounds like it would deserve more emphasis compared to 6 // also would be more consistent with 00:26:135 (6,1) -
what kinda bithers me is the fact how most of this is pretty simple to alternate/rather low spacing 1/4 pattern and then things like 00:36:985 (3,4,5,6,1) - spike up the difficulty so much thought the music is pretty much a consistent loop. if a an easier extra/harder insane gets added you could consider increasing spacing of other spots a but more
00:59:618 (6,7,1) - huge change in spacing on this angle is rather awkward to hit
01:20:384 (1) - shape looks really unpolished to me lol
01:22:017 (1,1,1) - could mute sliderends

[5]
00:13:419 (2,3,4,5) - feels really out of place since it is the only time you do it. if you want to use some "gimmick" like this, get some consistency behind it
01:07:318 - could really do something more interesting than mapping long sliders to follow those sounds, music is still doing so many thing but people just hold down slow sliders most of the time : / 01:14:784 -

[4]
00:12:252 (4,5) - with how you put this it looks way more like a 1/4 gap/2x repeat here, other placements were better
like 00:15:519 (3) - looks the same but is 1/4 gap
00:59:035 (5) - ^similar issue
kinda same thing with sliders at the end

[3]
00:59:151 - movement into slider is rather awkward, could do someting like http://i.imgur.com/JdHnaHk.jpg

[2]
00:12:252 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - chain of objects without any 1/1 gaps seems a bit much for this difficulty, try to reduce the rhythm a little (just a single 1/1 gap somehwere in the middle would be great already)
starting from this diff the ending sliders fit way better cause density overall is much lower

[1]
seems okay I guess

wow this song is pretty annoying/repetitive

Ora

959 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

Ora 2016-09-21T20:58:48+00:00

Lasse wrote:
so after playing the higher diff, the gap between I => X feels really huge. stage5 is mapped pretty much like 129bpm, but the extra is mapped like doublebpm with big spacingin on the 1/4. especially pattern like 00:36:985 (3,4,5,6,1) - and 00:59:268 (3,4,5,6,7) -
really think another diff which is mapped more like the top diff but with way less spacing/more alternating friendly patterns would fit well. I would be fine I guess with making another diff, but is it really required? Yeah the spread is weird but the game also has only 6 stages. Unless it's against the rules and someone says "you have to have an another diff", then I need to keep it how it is. I can try to buff STAGE 5 a little bit if it becomes a problem, but I do see and understand your argument for this.

[5]
00:13:419 (2,3,4,5) - feels really out of place since it is the only time you do it. if you want to use some "gimmick" like this, get some consistency behind it Yeah I have no clue what to do for this part, since it's a unique intense part of the song and there's no other place in the music like it. Any suggestions are welcome, but I also tried a new pattern (hopefully it will work). I might just end up using 1/4 sliders for the part if it's still uncomfortable...
01:07:318 - could really do something more interesting than mapping long sliders to follow those sounds, music is still doing so many thing but people just hold down slow sliders most of the time : / 01:14:784 - I think either way of mapping this part is reasonable and that there is no right way. My argument for mapping the end this way is because the music is coming to a close and it notified the player. It also gives the player a break from all of the annoying 1/6 patterns.

[4]
00:12:252 (4,5) - with how you put this it looks way more like a 1/4 gap/2x repeat here, other placements were better I feel like the 1/4 gap/x1 here is distinguishable from the 1/4 gap/x2 mainly because of the change in music/tone. unless there is a better argument for changing these other than "other placements were better" than I will consider changing D:
like 00:15:519 (3) - looks the same but is 1/4 gap ^
00:59:035 (5) - ^similar issue ^
kinda same thing with sliders at the end

[3]
00:59:151 - movement into slider is rather awkward, could do someting like http://i.imgur.com/JdHnaHk.jpg You're right. I was messing with this the other day and couldn't find the right angle.

[2]
00:12:252 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - chain of objects without any 1/1 gaps seems a bit much for this difficulty, try to reduce the rhythm a little (just a single 1/1 gap somehwere in the middle would be great already) Agreed, made a 1/1 gap at 00:14:819 -
starting from this diff the ending sliders fit way better cause density overall is much lower

[1]
seems okay I guess

wow this song is pretty annoying/repetitive maybe annoying to some people who don't like older video game music but also catchy

Sorry for the late reply Lasse...and thanks for the mod

CaffeAmericano

615 posts

Joined January 2015

CaffeAmericano 2016-09-24T00:49:12+00:00

Lasse wrote:
so after playing the higher diff, the gap between I => X feels really huge. stage5 is mapped pretty much like 129bpm, but the extra is mapped like doublebpm with big spacingin on the 1/4. especially pattern like 00:36:985 (3,4,5,6,1) - and 00:59:268 (3,4,5,6,7) -
really think another diff which is mapped more like the top diff but with way less spacing/more alternating friendly patterns would fit well Spread isn't the smoothest, but I think it's acceptable. Stage 5 and Final has similar clicking difficulty, and stage 5 seem to have reasonable amount of 1/4 rhythms slider jumps. So I guess main spread issue arises from some 1/4 circle jumps I use, which I can tone down. Hopefully this will eliminate need for 7th diff xD

[caffe]
00:16:802 (6,1) - spacing seems weird considering 1 sounds like it would deserve more emphasis compared to 6 // also would be more consistent with 00:26:135 (6,1) - fixed
what kinda bithers me is the fact how most of this is pretty simple to alternate/rather low spacing 1/4 pattern and then things like 00:36:985 (3,4,5,6,1) - spike up the difficulty so much thought the music is pretty much a consistent loop. if a an easier extra/harder insane gets added you could consider increasing spacing of other spots a but more I think spacing increase (1/4 circle jumps) with more than 2 notes pretty much occur only in unique sounds (drums mostly) in the song. As you said, the song is pretty repetitive, so i think it makes sense to have those emphasis. I'll reduce some of those spacings if difficulty spike seems too much.
00:59:618 (6,7,1) - huge change in spacing on this angle is rather awkward to hit reduced spacing angle is awkward for intentional flow break at bigtime music change
01:20:384 (1) - shape looks really unpolished to me lol changed it a bit
01:22:017 (1,1,1) - could mute sliderends

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Ora

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Ora 2016-09-24T01:55:20+00:00

Updated ! Ready for BN check now?

Jonarwhal

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Jonarwhal 2016-09-24T15:42:55+00:00

nm from queue
[general]

disable widescreen
make use of kick - Marker #2.wav,and fix the delay

[1]

01:03:584 (1,2,3,4) - the player just moves straight back/forth for 5 seconds, try putting slight bends in 01:03:584 (1) - this and 01:05:451 (3) - this
~

[2]

00:36:518 (7) - Ctrl+j and readjust this for slightly better flow
00:56:118 (1,2) - improve the blanket
01:07:318 (1,2) - ^

[3]

00:06:653 (4,5,1) - stack 00:06:886 (5) - this 00:05:019 (4) - there, 00:06:653 (4,5) - blanket these, and move 00:07:586 (1) - this right. It makes the flow better 00:06:419 (3,4,5) - there, and prevents having too much on the left side 00:07:586 (1) - here.
~
00:13:186 (1,2,3,4) - blanket 00:13:186 (1,2) - these, and then make an even triangle 00:13:652 (2,3,4) - there, and then fix the triangle 00:14:586 (5) - here too.
00:15:519 (2,3,4,5) - make the diamond more even.
00:19:719 (3,4,5) - ^...triangle
00:26:719 (2,3,4) - ^... use approach circles for help
00:32:319 (2,3,4,5) - ^...
00:34:185 (2,3,4) - this one is good :3
00:41:652 (2,3,4) - fix it again

[4]

01:11:051 - what are you emphasizing with this SV change?
01:18:517 - ^
01:20:384 (1) - NC

[5]

01:11:051 - SV change in 4, but nothing in 5? imo it makes sense to have more SV changes on higher difficulties
01:12:917 (2) - NC
01:18:517 - same as 01:11:051 -
01:20:384 (1) - NC

Good Luck~!!

Ora

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Ora 2016-09-24T23:34:09+00:00

Jonawaga wrote:
nm from queue
[general]
disable widescreen fixed for all
make use of kick - Marker #2.wav,and fix the delay Nah...deleted. Was going to be a bass kick but I used the other instead
[1]
01:03:584 (1,2,3,4) - the player just moves straight back/forth for 5 seconds, try putting slight bends in 01:03:584 (1) - this and 01:05:451 (3) - this
~
I had no intention of changing that but I like the suggestion you gave. changed
[2]
00:36:518 (7) - Ctrl+j and readjust this for slightly better flow agreed
00:56:118 (1,2) - improve the blanket I guess. not a big deal
01:07:318 (1,2) - ^ I see it
[3]
00:06:653 (4,5,1) - stack 00:06:886 (5) - this 00:05:019 (4) - there, 00:06:653 (4,5) - blanket these, and move 00:07:586 (1) - this right. It makes the flow better 00:06:419 (3,4,5) - there, and prevents having too much on the left side 00:07:586 (1) - here. Sadly I am not going to change this. I don't see any problems with how it is now and that's the way I want it to be. It flows into the right side of the grid just fine
~
00:13:186 (1,2,3,4) - blanket 00:13:186 (1,2) - these, and then make an even triangle 00:13:652 (2,3,4) - there, and then fix the triangle 00:14:586 (5) - here too.fixed but I dont want a blanket at 00:14:586 (5) -
00:15:519 (2,3,4,5) - make the diamond more even. hi
00:19:719 (3,4,5) - ^...triangle sure but most of these aren't even noticeable.
00:26:719 (2,3,4) - ^... use approach circles for helpk
00:32:319 (2,3,4,5) - ^...dfsasfs
00:34:185 (2,3,4) - this one is good :3
00:41:652 (2,3,4) - fix it again actually keeping this one. Not everything needs to be symmetrical. I like the flow here
[4]
01:11:051 - what are you emphasizing with this SV change? the tone of the music. The first 3 ( 01:07:318 (1,2,3) - ) go down in tone gradually and then 01:11:051 (1) - ends the section with a higher tone. Yes it's true I didn't do this in the other diffs, but I think the section can be mapped with or without a SV change. The SV change also adds difficulty to the map. I wanted more diversity in the mapset and this is the way I chose to do it.
01:18:517 - ^
01:20:384 (1) - NC Using 1/8 combos (or is it 4/1?) anyways, I use NC on every 8th white tick
[5]
01:11:051 - SV change in 4, but nothing in 5? imo it makes sense to have more SV changes on higher difficulties read above
01:12:917 (2) - NC read above
01:18:517 - same as 01:11:051 -
01:20:384 (1) - NC
Good Luck~!! Thanks for taking the time to mod this ! You found some small stuff that even I wouldn't be able to find Hopefully you understand my reasoning for the slider SV changes at the end

Jonarwhal

1,216 posts

Joined November 2013

Jonarwhal 2016-09-25T04:46:05+00:00

no kd

Ora wrote:
01:20:384 (1) - NC Using 1/8 combos (or is it 4/1?) anyways, I use NC on every 8th white tick This isn't an option. It's required for SV change.

Ora wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to mod this ! You found some small stuff that even I wouldn't be able to find Hopefully you understand my reasoning for the slider SV changes at the end thanks <3

Ora

959 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

Ora 2016-09-25T05:53:21+00:00

Jonawaga wrote:
no kd

Ora wrote:
01:20:384 (1) - NC Using 1/8 combos (or is it 4/1?) anyways, I use NC on every 8th white tick This isn't an option. It's required for SV change.

oops thanks, I learn something new every day.

Spork Lover

722 posts

Joined October 2013

Spork Lover 2016-09-25T12:00:26+00:00

Ora wrote:
01:20:384 (1) - NC Using 1/8 combos (or is it 4/1?) anyways, I use NC on every 8th white tick This isn't an option. It's required for SV change.

It's not required, I see a lot of maps where they don't - If the map wants easier reading though (which is definitely the case for this map), it's definitely a nice thing to do xd It's always case-by-case xd

Seijiro

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Joined April 2013

Seijiro 2016-10-04T10:25:28+00:00

looks like I am late as usual, sorry

General

Isn't there a "BOSS" stage? "Final stage" feels a bit plain lol

Unused hitsounds:
kick - Marker #2.wav nvm, I had to re-dl

remove "yuzo koshiro" from tags since it is the artist. Also, since we're at it, can you provide an official site or source for your meta?

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Caffe

00:44:452 (4) - just personal stuff, but I'd turn this into circles since I feel like those beats need to be clicked. Similar to 00:58:918 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - , basically

01:00:707 (1,2,1,2) - again personal. I'd avoid the double NC here since they're following both the same rhythm, aren't they?
Same goes for all of them in case you accept

01:22:367 - spinner? Till 01:25:984 - maybe

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5

00:06:886 (1) - I noticed this is the only "fssss" sound that has a normal 1/4 slider instead of a 1/8 repeat slider. I know it kinda breaks the pattern but imo it really stands out like that. (I'm referring to just the intro, since later on patterns change so there's no problem)

01:07:318 - 01:22:251 - this section is too unbalanced difficulty-wise. Those long sliders do make sense if considered alone, but comparing them to the parts where you follow the more intense rhythm it feels like black and white. Try to make it more gray x)

Side note: 00:45:385 (3,4,5,6) - while this pattern comes out of the blue I still agree it is redundant and when you play it a second time you get used to it already so I guess we can let it slip this time

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4

01:03:351 (9) - I'd turn this into a circle to emphasize better the different sound occurring here (make sure to give it also an appropriate spacing)
01:07:084 (9) - same

01:07:318 - same as for the STAGE 5, it feels too contradicting seeing long sliders and doubles one near to each other

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3

00:04:319 (2,3) - personal, but I'd improve this rhythm by making them a repeat slider instead (spacing needs tweaking if you agree)

01:07:318 - same as for the above diffs

overall this diff seems less structured than the above ones. Did you map this during a different period?

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2

l00:00:120 (1) - I'd add more recovery after this spinner, let's say around 1 more beat so we're sure there are no problems.

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1

00:00:120 (1) - well, following the guidelines, you'd need more break after this, so what about making it end at 00:01:986 - ? Or even 00:02:453 - , even tho it has just 1.400 ms of break but I could still accept it

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Ora wrote:
Updated ! Ready for BN check now?

If you can improve a bit more structure on stage 3 (and maybe also 2) I can icon it :p

Ora

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Topic Starter

Ora 2016-10-05T00:33:01+00:00

MrSergio wrote:
looks like I am late as usual, sorry

General

Isn't there a "BOSS" stage? "Final stage" feels a bit plain lol I guess I can change this. I'll wait for Caffe to eply to his mod first though

Unused hitsounds:
kick - Marker #2.wav nvm, I had to re-dl

remove "yuzo koshiro" from tags since it is the artist. Also, since we're at it, can you provide an official site or source for your meta? ~~oops had this from before I had to change the song title/artist. I got my metadata from HallidayASR. I'll contact him to see where he got it.~~ looks like I am going to be using this as my source since it is the official CD/Soundtrack.

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5

00:06:886 (1) - I noticed this is the only "fssss" sound that has a normal 1/4 slider instead of a 1/8 repeat slider. I know it kinda breaks the pattern but imo it really stands out like that. (I'm referring to just the intro, since later on patterns change so there's no problem) If you really think I should change this, I'll be sad because those 1/4 sliders really stick out with that part of the music. But I do see your reasoning....is this a must change? On the other hand, I haven't had any problems with testplays for this part.

01:07:318 - 01:22:251 - this section is too unbalanced difficulty-wise. Those long sliders do make sense if considered alone, but comparing them to the parts where you follow the more intense rhythm it feels like black and white. Try to make it more gray x) I'll ask you in-game but what exactly should I do? Should I not map to the slider part of the music? Should I map the slider velocity like I did in STAGE 4?

Side note: 00:45:385 (3,4,5,6) - while this pattern comes out of the blue I still agree it is redundant and when you play it a second time you get used to it already so I guess we can let it slip this time I also explained myself for this part in this mod: p/5476853/ (you can see in the reply below it)

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4

01:03:351 (9) - I'd turn this into a circle to emphasize better the different sound occurring here (make sure to give it also an appropriate spacing) I agree, fixed
01:07:084 (9) - same ^

01:07:318 - same as for the STAGE 5, it feels too contradicting seeing long sliders and doubles one near to each other

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3

00:04:319 (2,3) - personal, but I'd improve this rhythm by making them a repeat slider instead (spacing needs tweaking if you agree) I feel like either pattern works here and the one I chose will keep a steady density. I'm not sure I agree with this suggestion, but I see where you are coming from.

01:07:318 - same as for the above diffs
overall this diff seems less structured than the above ones. Did you map this during a different period? It might have been a couple days later. What do you mean it's less structured? Do the patterns not make sense? Im confused D:

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2

l00:00:120 (1) - I'd add more recovery after this spinner, let's say around 1 more beat so we're sure there are no problems. agree and moved back 1 white tick

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1

00:00:120 (1) - well, following the guidelines, you'd need more break after this, so what about making it end at 00:01:986 - ? Or even 00:02:453 - , even tho it has just 1.400 ms of break but I could still accept it I agree with your first suggestion. the spinner will then be the same length in beats as the space between making it easier to read.

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Ora wrote:
Updated ! Ready for BN check now?
If you can improve a bit more structure on stage 3 (and maybe also 2) I can icon it :p I'm not entirely sure how structure needs to be improved. Maybe we can talk in-game and you can give me some examples ? Or just a reply here would be great.

Anyways, No worries about being late. I've been busy myself and haven't gotten a lot done. I still appreciate you taking your time for my map hopefully I can sort out "structure" of stage 3 (and stage 2?).

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2016-10-05T07:05:23+00:00

Alright, I'm not home so I can't make specific examples but I can explain most of the stuff.
First: What I meant with "unbalanced" was that after a really intense part which uses 1/6 doubles you place really long sliders that totally kill the movement and the rhythm of your map. Whether keep long sliders for all the map or keep the rhythm with doubles, otherwise it is too inconsistent (and also not appropriate for a diff, since you should keep difficulty somehow constant through the map and those sliders are obviously too easy)

Second: Regarding structure on stage 3 (and in part also on 2, but I'm being too strict here probably).
As it is now stage 3 doesn't have any objective problems. What I meant there is that I can clearly see that patterns are more... idk... sloppy? I actually don't know how to describe it oerfectly but I can see it is more "just because".
You said you mapped all of the difs pretty close in time, which means that all diffs have such a problem partially (in my eyes at least).
As I said, this is not a problem but it is something you should work on for your next maps: try to give more meaning for each object to be where it is, not placing them because you want to move the cursor from x1 y1 to x2 y2 (some patterns on stage 3 are just simple curves from a corner of the screen to the other iirc).
This sort of stuf is usually kinda planned before starting the map or after 5-10secs of mapping, because it is like a frame for your painting (your map).

Anyway, source for meta looks fine and later on I'll give you some examples of what I mean exactly in game, since structure is something mappers build over a long period of time and can't be easily learned after one post of mine.

PS: The 1/4 slider on stage 5 can be kept, it's not a big deal but again, stuff like that should have been planned before hand. If you could have noticed that repetitive "fssss" sound every measure you could have managed the pattern differebtly, am I right?

CaffeAmericano

615 posts

Joined January 2015

CaffeAmericano 2016-10-06T03:34:30+00:00

@MrSergio

Changed everything except the spinner. I personally like the abrupt ending for this map. I don't have strong opinion about this, so if Ora wants to make it consistent with other diffs, I don't really mind. You can go ahead and add the spinner if you want, Ora :3

Thanks for the mod!

mysterious box

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Ora

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Ora 2016-10-08T03:18:14+00:00

Well...my internet is out until Monday

I'll see what I can do when I get back on

Ora

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Ora 2016-10-12T06:22:06+00:00

MrSergio wrote:
Alright, I'm not home so I can't make specific examples but I can explain most of the stuff.
First: What I meant with "unbalanced" was that after a really intense part which uses 1/6 doubles you place really long sliders that totally kill the movement and the rhythm of your map. Whether keep long sliders for all the map or keep the rhythm with doubles, otherwise it is too inconsistent (and also not appropriate for a diff, since you should keep difficulty somehow constant through the map and those sliders are obviously too easy)

Ok so to reply to this issue and explain myself. IMO I think the sliders being there should be fine but I see your point. The sliders tell the player that the song/map is coming to an end and it's consistent throughout the whole set (except of course Caffe's diff, which I think is fine because it's an extra diff and the final boss stage).

If you really think it kills the movement of my map then I guess I will remap all of the diffs, but I'm still going to stand up for the sliders because they still go with the music/rhythm and it's easily distinguishable from the 1/6 part of the music that plays with it (there is no sound for the long sliders in the first 1/6 part which is the reason why I don't have the sliders through the entire map which you say is inconsistent).

Second: Regarding structure on stage 3 (and in part also on 2, but I'm being too strict here probably).
As it is now stage 3 doesn't have any objective problems. What I meant there is that I can clearly see that patterns are more... idk... sloppy? I actually don't know how to describe it oerfectly but I can see it is more "just because".
You said you mapped all of the difs pretty close in time, which means that all diffs have such a problem partially (in my eyes at least).
As I said, this is not a problem but it is something you should work on for your next maps: try to give more meaning for each object to be where it is, not placing them because you want to move the cursor from x1 y1 to x2 y2 (some patterns on stage 3 are just simple curves from a corner of the screen to the other iirc).
This sort of stuf is usually kinda planned before starting the map or after 5-10secs of mapping, because it is like a frame for your painting (your map).

I see what you mean (sort of) about the differences in my difficulties. But yeah, as a new mapper I kind of run out of ideas so I start mapping in a different/new way (style?) but not really. It's hard to explain. And my mapping style based on difficulty is usually really different because I'm so new. This is actually the first time I've mapped E, N, H, I usually map 4* and above and most of my practice maps are marathons that are obviously more consistent as 1 difficulty. but yeah, I still would like to go over Stage 3 (and stage 2?) to see what you have in mind for examples/stuff I can improve. Remember that Stage 2 is a collab with Pereira006, and he mapped the Kiai time

Here is the source Album, if you see anything I should add to tags please let me know

http://vgmdb.net/album/211

https://www.discogs.com/Yuzo-Koshiro-Ba ... ase/665962

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- Frontier - 2016-10-15T04:34:23+00:00

hi i'm late

[General]

Put "Pereira006" in tags too since he collab with you
Maybe put "Bare Knuckle" in tags. It's an album's name

MrSergio wrote:
If you can improve a bit more structure on stage 3 (and maybe also 2) I can icon it :p

I'm just lazy so I'll mod Stage 2 and 3

[Stage 2 Collab]

00:56:118 (1,4) - These aren't parallel.
01:05:451 (3) - Maybe make like this for more aesthetic?

Actually, this diff is okay.

[STAGE 3]

01:12:917 (1,2,3) - These shouldn't overlap each other! Separate these.

GL no kd please

Ora

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Ora 2016-10-15T20:12:56+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
hi i'm late
[General]
Put "Pereira006" in tags too since he collab with you
Maybe put "Bare Knuckle" in tags. It's an album's name
MrSergio wrote:
If you can improve a bit more structure on stage 3 (and maybe also 2) I can icon it :p
I'm just lazy so I'll mod Stage 2 and 3

[Stage 2 Collab]
00:56:118 (1,4) - These aren't parallel.
01:05:451 (3) - Maybe make like this for more aesthetic?
Actually, this diff is okay.

[STAGE 3]
01:12:917 (1,2,3) - These shouldn't overlap each other! Separate these.
GL no kd please

Thanks ^^ I will check your mod with the next BN post

Thanks for reminding me about the Pereira006 tag

Ora

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Ora 2016-10-17T10:25:07+00:00

Ok, so I changed some stuff on STAGE 5, just to give the slider part some more life and make it not so dull. I adjusted the SV to make it gradually slower from .75 to .60 and then back up to .75. Having it strictly at .60 was dull, and sucked the life out of the ending, so I think it should play better now like STAGE 4

I also decided to stack the 1/6 patterns of "circle-slider" directly just because it plays more comfortably. I also remapped the pattern of 01:12:917 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - so it flows better than before.

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neonat 2016-10-20T16:31:55+00:00

stage 1

00:39:318 (3) - why not have the slider end higher up, or rotate it more to be more even, it can help the movement from 00:38:852 (2,3) as well as well as the movement to 00:40:718 (4,1)
01:05:451 (1) - reason to NC this one?

stage 2

stood out from the rest from before as unlike the rhythms before this section they usually had the 2 1/2 circles that start 1 white line before the next phrase, like 00:10:853 (5,6) - maybe if you had 00:14:119 (6) - change into a circle at 00:14:119 and then did the same thing like before with the circles starting at 00:14:586 then I think it could match better
00:16:219 (3,3,3,3,3) - etc. I think while the actual beats are fine, but having the slider end at that position, 00:16:452 - 00:20:186 - 00:23:919 - so on so forth, now if you swap the circle with the slider's position, 00:23:686 (3,4) - 00:27:419 (3,4) - 00:31:152 (3,4) - etc. the clicking coincides with the song's descending pitch over 1 beat that leads to a held sound (namely what you hear at 00:31:385 - 00:31:619 and 00:31:852 - )

stage 3

00:21:119 (2) - could pattern it better with 00:20:186 (5,1)
01:07:318 (1,2,1,2) - why only stack these lol

In terms of placement, it just seems that sometimes, the patterns look out of place and not polished, like the pattern before and the pattern after it look jarring side by side/sloppy one moment, organised the next. I can't really say much about the rhythm, there's nothing really in the music

stage 4

other than the multiple repeat sliders in stage 3, there is no other 1/4 beats in there, but stage 4 uses a whole lot more, and last more than 2-3 beats in consecutive length. I think you need to consider that, even if the star rating does not indicate much because of the spacing and all

stage 5

00:17:619 (4,5,6,7,8) - the transition from slider to stream here is quite forced
01:07:318 (1) - eh, I think it really could use a better shape, a lot of the body just merges together, especially the slider end, it's just half sticking out of the body
01:14:784 (1,2) - the only one you don't stack out of all th difficulties, that kinda throws away consistency, but you didn't stack because of pattern so eh, try and fix on something to ensure it remains constant for everything, because if everything else shows one thing, if one doesn't do so, it gets really obvious

Just my suggestions

Good Luck

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Pereira006 2016-10-20T17:27:00+00:00

neonat wrote:
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stage 2

00:16:219 (3,3,3,3,3) - etc. I think while the actual beats are fine, but having the slider end at that position, 00:16:452 - 00:20:186 - 00:23:919 - so on so forth, now if you swap the circle with the slider's position, 00:23:686 (3,4) - 00:27:419 (3,4) - 00:31:152 (3,4) - etc. the clicking coincides with the song's descending pitch over 1 beat that leads to a held sound (namely what you hear at 00:31:385 - 00:31:619 and 00:31:852 - ) I wasn't follow beat,, just follow main instrument, the sound instrument sound strong than beat normal. I just put 1/2 slider because is fit better for this instrument small long. Prefer this way

ty check

Ora

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Ora 2016-10-20T23:39:56+00:00

neonat wrote:
stage 1

00:39:318 (3) - why not have the slider end higher up, or rotate it more to be more even, it can help the movement from 00:38:852 (2,3) as well as well as the movement to 00:40:718 (4,1) I agree, fixed it as best as I can. Hope it looks fine now
01:05:451 (1) - reason to NC this one? woops, happened when I changed the slider shape in the last mod. Fixed!

stage 2

stood out from the rest from before as unlike the rhythms before this section they usually had the 2 1/2 circles that start 1 white line before the next phrase, like 00:10:853 (5,6) - maybe if you had 00:14:119 (6) - change into a circle at 00:14:119 and then did the same thing like before with the circles starting at 00:14:586 then I think it could match better So...for this part I agree with you, but the problem is if I do that I feel like the part will be too dense with circles for the difficulty. (what do you think?). I could also just add a circle at 00:14:819 - . I just think the rhythm will be too hard for normal if I do that

stage 3

00:21:119 (2) - could pattern it better with 00:20:186 (5,1) yeah sloppy...fixed ^_^
01:07:318 (1,2,1,2) - why only stack these lol are you talking about 01:07:318 (1,3) - ? I'm confused...if so, I fixed lol

In terms of placement, it just seems that sometimes, the patterns look out of place and not polished, like the pattern before and the pattern after it look jarring side by side/sloppy one moment, organised the next. I can't really say much about the rhythm, there's nothing really in the music i hear you and sergio saying "sloppy" but I don't see examples of where. I want to improve parts if you think it's sloppy but I'm a somewhat new mapper so I have trouble seeing those things without specific examples

stage 4

other than the multiple repeat sliders in stage 3, there is no other 1/4 beats in there, but stage 4 uses a whole lot more, and last more than 2-3 beats in consecutive length. I think you need to consider that, even if the star rating does not indicate much because of the spacing and all wow, you're right I just realized the huge jump in 1/4 rhythm...is this a huge issue? Do you think I can fix it or do you think I should just remap stage 3 (I am willing to remap). Stage 3 seems to be the major problem of the whole set...

stage 5

00:17:619 (4,5,6,7,8) - the transition from slider to stream here is quite forced In terms of flow, I feel like it's fine because it plays just as you were to have a 1/4 slider at 00:17:853 (5,6) - except the player is expecting a stream because of the rhythm pattern I use through the whole map
01:07:318 (1) - eh, I think it really could use a better shape, a lot of the body just merges together, especially the slider end, it's just half sticking out of the body I agree, what do you think of the new one? :S
01:14:784 (1,2) - the only one you don't stack out of all th difficulties, that kinda throws away consistency, but you didn't stack because of pattern so eh, try and fix on something to ensure it remains constant for everything, because if everything else shows one thing, if one doesn't do so, it gets really obvious oops, I changed these sliders recently and forgot I had them stacked in the previous part

Just my GREAT sugestions

Good Luck

Thanks so much neonat, you didn't have to do this! I would love if you could reply to some of my questions and give some advice for the next step of the mapset

Ora

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Ora 2016-10-28T02:05:57+00:00

Okay, so I remapped some of the issues with Stage 3 including sloppy flow and adding in some 1/4 rhythms to scale up with STAGE 4 better. 1/4 rhythms were added to the beginning 00:04:319 (2,3) - 00:08:053 (2,3) - 00:11:786 (2,3) - and 00:14:586 (5,6,1) - .

Some remapping:

neonat wrote:
In regards to Stage 3, here are some parts that seem to get somewhat off in pattern as you go along:
00:13:652 (2,3,4,5,1) - remapped
00:27:419 (4,5,1,2,3) - remapped
00:35:119 (5,1,2) - I don't agree that this should be remapped, the pattern sticks with the flow into the next part at 00:36:518 (3,4,5) -
00:38:852 (5,1,2,3) - remapped (yeah this was probably the worst. It was really awkward to play before)
00:43:518 (2,3,4,1) - I remapped 00:43:052 (1,2) - so that it flows better to that next part
01:01:718 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - This was also lazy of me REMAPPED

Hopefully someone rechecks

I know I screwed up on Stage 3 but I'm trying really hard to improve

To everyone who is supporting me with this set, as well as my GDers Caffe and Pereira, I think I'm done looking for BNs for this. I've tried really hard but the song is just not appealing to most of them and they seem not interested. I won't be surprised if this ends up in the graveyard for now, but I guess that's just how it has to be

Thanks everyone!

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