Dammit.
This period was.....Not funny.
So this time, DO NOT WANT to be a backup. I'll be part of the TWC 2 like a Boss player.

_Gezo_ wrote:

I'll be part of the TWC as a staff

Wat? Is there any specific requirements for that? :V

^@: Mh, I think it was importand to be knows as some one. Player, mapper, BAT/MAT for example(I think there is not more? lol).
Not sure though, since Lepidopodus is making this.

_Gezo_ wrote:

stuff

Erm, I don't want to intrude in a thread that is barely related to me, but #french-related problems SHOULD stay in #french. I'm fairly certain other people from other countries either will feel embarassed or won't care about how you got "trolled" last year. I regret this as well, I'm just saying that it is not the right time, not the right place, and not the right idea to do this.

I'll be hoping you get into the TWC2 staff, though.

Besides, acting like this will only cause said trollers to go back and flame some more. I suggest you forget about it, no matter how hard and humiliating this has been. If need be, discuss about it in the French forum ; posting this here won't help.
Sorry again for the bothers. Didou, Gezo (or might it be some other French player that happens to read the thread), please do not respond to this post. Send me a forum PM or talk about it in the French forum instead.

I hope the maps don't suck this year either. lol

_Gezo_ wrote:

stuff

Cool down and be more gentle first. You can't be a staff if you have some grudges against somebody, cause it is hard to keep yourself as 'fair enough to be a staff' with that.

Didou wrote:

So this time, DO NOT WANT to be a backup. I'll be part of the TWC 2 like a Boss player.

Next time there won't be specified backup players since it wasn't that meaningful to specify it.

OnosakiHito wrote:

^@: Mh, I think it was importand to be knows as some one. Player, mapper, BAT/MAT for example(I think there is not more? lol).

Need to be considered as trustworthy person in this community. Kinda ambiguous, so I guss I'll decide that if I become the tournament manager again.

MMzz wrote:

I hope the maps don't suck this year either. lol

The person who chose those maps was me. sorry, lol.

lepidopodus wrote:

MMzz wrote:

I hope the maps don't suck this year either. lol

The person who chose those maps was me. sorry, lol.

Well they were good up until the end.
Etude OP. 14 was a poor choice I think, because namco is obviously trying to troll us with the inner.

^@: The list can include some bad maps, but don't forget that I always gave teams chance to select maps they want to play.

@^ Will there be any collab map at the end of the TWC II like they did in the OWC I ? (Collab map by the staff and should be a total sightread by the players)

That would be interesting, if the song(s) is(are) long enough (If one, 9-12 minutes, else 5-7 of ~2 minutes) :V

lepidopodus wrote:

^@: The list can include some bad maps, but don't forget that I always gave teams chance to select maps they want to play.

There were no other options, like the other rounds. (For tie breaker)

MMzz wrote:

There were no other options, like the other rounds. (For tie breaker)

Whoops, who chose that

(<---- It's YOU, baka)

lol. Etude Inner oni.

That shit was like round 2 lol.

Sorry for double post, but, god damn, I'm already excited to start this. I've improved vastly over the last 8 or so months. I cant wait to see if the US somehow gets far again lol.

Even more excited to see the teams and all that.

Oh man and the maps.

I sure hope one of mine is included <3

I hope than our team won't be in the same group as Korea and Japan again ._.

I'm waiting for the date after the 7th Nov..

As i'm also participating on CWC i hope it won't be a problem joining also the TWC lololol; by the way i'm not standing a chance in both, so whatever! Still i'm happeh!

@OnosakiHito: I'm not in haste that much though...
@neorainier: I'll avoid overlapping.

Lepi you haven't answered this yet orz

_Gezo_ wrote:

@^ Will there be any collab map at the end of the TWC II like they did in the OWC I ? (Collab map by the staff and should be a total sightread by the players)

That would be interesting, if the song(s) is(are) long enough (If one, 9-12 minutes, else 5-7 of ~2 minutes) :V

Yo Lepi, if you need help picking maps, ask me or Mitten.
Cause 40% of last years maps were shitty.

I don't think that just this years maps will be choosen.
There are still many other maps from the past which are not used before.
But to choose some maps twice is also not this bad.

I'd rather not choose maps, since I am going to be competing and I don't want to give myself an advantage.
Same goes for you sander.

Also, there shouldn't be just ranked maps, why not throw in unsubmitted customs? Me and lepi have plenty of them and it's not like they are crazy hard.
( Inb4 final round all Firce777 maps wwwwwwwwwww)

MMzz wrote:

I'd rather not choose maps, since I am going to be competing and I don't want to give myself an advantage.
Same goes for you sander.

Also, there shouldn't be just ranked maps, why not throw in unsubmitted customs? Me and lepi have plenty of them and it's not like they are crazy hard.
( Inb4 final round all Firce777 maps wwwwwwwwwww)

U.S. VS. HONG KONG

I got bored

MMzz wrote:

I'd rather not choose maps, since I am going to be competing and I don't want to give myself an advantage.
Same goes for you sander.

Also, there shouldn't be just ranked maps, why not throw in unsubmitted customs? Me and lepi have plenty of them and it's not like they are crazy hard.
( Inb4 final round all Firce777 maps wwwwwwwwwww)

You saw through my ruse.

So...what the heck am I supposed to do now? Make a second US team and get beat? WELL I FOR ONE AM INSULTED. But seriously.
I guess i'll have to tag along with some other team.

MMzz wrote:

( Inb4 final round all Firce777 maps wwwwwwwwwww)

^ this

Backfire wrote:

So...what the heck am I supposed to do now? Make a second US team and get beat? WELL I FOR ONE AM INSULTED. But seriously.
I guess i'll have to tag along with some other team.

What the hell, I don't post anything about registration yet but you guys are already making teams, lol.
Though I guess it will be max.4 ~ min.3.

_Gezo_ wrote:

@^ Will there be any collab map at the end of the TWC II like they did in the OWC I ? (Collab map by the staff and should be a total sightread by the players)

That would be interesting, if the song(s) is(are) long enough (If one, 9-12 minutes, else 5-7 of ~2 minutes) :V

Don't really know yet orz.

Still some monthes before the tournament since I'll start the tournament in the next year. Registration might be in this year though, if I start it early. I'm not so sure about everything.

Any suggestion for exact period of the tournament?

Mid-January is when it could start? Or mid February.

lepidopodus wrote:

What the hell, I don't post anything about registration yet but you guys are already making teams, lol.
Though I guess it will be max.4 ~ min.3.

How would 4 work, the referee couldn't get into the multi room :S

MMzz wrote:

lepidopodus wrote:

What the hell, I don't post anything about registration yet but you guys are already making teams, lol.
Though I guess it will be max.4 ~ min.3.

How would 4 work, the referee couldn't get into the multi room :S

You hear it, referees are now also players! Yeeeei \o/

Edit:
@Lepidopodus: Give me one ~ two days, I will give you a list of peoples vacations and exams in the near tournament time.
@MMzz: You are the best players in your country, but isn't it fair to ask also the other players who want to join too, and who could make a second team? =x

Even that, I told this my german guys too, you can't make teams yet before we don't know, how many in a Team(like substitute) can join and also how many teams a country is allowed to have this time.

lol
If four players
Ozzy, MMzz, Sander, and Backfire. AWW YEAH AMERICA DYNAMICS
But thats only if you still love me </3

Uh by the way, what I would suggest because of two teams in one country:
I did it in germany in this way that we have Team A for representation and Team B for those who want to see how this CUP work.
So if we should have enough double teams, the Team A's should be in one sections and the Team B's should be in there own one.

I will explain more about it after I have enough time, I'm in hurry. Sorry. lol

OnosakiHito wrote:

Team B

The best team in TWC. I'm just sayin'.

LunaticMara wrote:

OnosakiHito wrote:

Team B

The best team in TWC. I'm just sayin'.

" @MMzz: You are the best players in your country, but isn't it fair to ask also the other players who want to join too, and who could make a second team? =x "

Thing about THAT is, theres only so many more people left from america. America isn't a slouch when it comes to the best players around, but the quantity of them is surprisingly lacking. I mean, me and ozzy scrapped up a team of underdogs last year, and somehow made it to befourth place. Of course, it was luck, but it was cool that we actually got that far.

I suppose, if anything (like, I dont want to be a back-up player, and if the teams arent allowed 4 players), I will make the America B team, with some of the less known players. TWC, this time, will be for fun for me. Not for winning.

OnosakiHito wrote:

@MMzz: You are the best players in your country, but isn't it fair to ask also the other players who want to join too, and who could make a second team? =x

It's not JUST that we are the best American players, it's also the fact that Sander and Ozzy are good friends and I would enjoy to play with them. And yes I guess it's not fair that we have all the best players but the only other American taiko player that I know (and is active) is Backfire, but I went to Ozzy and Sander first. Even though that does sound like a pretty dick move, that's how it is.

But if you will complain about it now, complain more when there is some Asian team that will be just as good as us (and had the option to choose less known players.). I can already smell a Korean/Hong Kong team that would be pretty good.

MMzz wrote:

OnosakiHito wrote:

@MMzz: You are the best players in your country, but isn't it fair to ask also the other players who want to join too, and who could make a second team? =x

It's not JUST that we are the best American players, it's also the fact that Sander and Ozzy are good friends and I would enjoy to play with them. And yes I guess it's not fair that we have all the best players but the only other American taiko player that I know (and is active) is Backfire, but I went to Ozzy and Sander first. Even though that does sound like a pretty dick move, that's how it is.

But if you will complain about it now, complain more when there is some Asian team that will be just as good as us (and had the option to choose less known players.). I can already smell a Korean/Hong Kong team that would be pretty good.

No, no. I don't complain about it. It was just a thought from me. I don't know how much players in USA are avaible, but if it is like that, I didn't said anything.

Backfire wrote:

Thing about THAT is, theres only so many more people left from america. America isn't a slouch when it comes to the best players around, but the quantity of them is surprisingly lacking. I mean, me and ozzy scrapped up a team of underdogs last year, and somehow made it to befourth place. Of course, it was luck, but it was cool that we actually got that far.

shouldn't have happened

It shouldn't have, but it did.

*drops in*Yo gais how much did I miss?

^@: Not really much. First people are making teams without knowing the rules. haha

wow you guys are just excited.

It'll be sad for me if it's held Jan~Feb 2012 as I'll be handling issues that I will study overseas

;w; ~

OnosakiHito wrote:

^@: Not really much. First people are making teams without knowing the rules. haha

assuming the rules shouldn't change, they were fine last year.
Although we should try something different from Round Robin

MMzz wrote:

OnosakiHito wrote:

^@: Not really much. First people are making teams without knowing the rules. haha

assuming the rules shouldn't change, they were fine last year.
Although we should try something different from Round Robin

if you say sth like "league mode" maybe the staffs will kill you (run

League mode isn't really that bad imho :>

mekadon wrote:

League mode isn't really that bad imho :>

wmfchris wrote:

if you say sth like "league mode" maybe the staffs will kill you (run

Yeah you know what I thought, lololol

How about Double elimination?

lepidopodus wrote:

mekadon wrote:

League mode isn't really that bad imho :>

wmfchris wrote:

if you say sth like "league mode" maybe the staffs will kill you (run

Yeah you know what I thought, lololol

How about Double elimination?

sounds fine to me \:D/ at least the losing team can have a Second Heaven chance
Swiss system tournament go trololo

How about you lose, you lose.

I guess we don't have to be hesitate: OWC is ongoing, and I don't really want to make TWC hidden by that.

So I got some statments and suggestions...

-A back-up player is needed, all ppl cant be everyday and what's when someone get sick? And to postpone matches only for 1 player is stupid!
So teams should be 3 (+1 back-up)

-About only 1 team per country, not that fair, some countrys got more than 4 player who wants to be in the TWC and i didnt saw anything bad last TWC that some countrys got 2 teams!

-I didnt liked some maps from last TWC too, but all of them were a good choice cause they all had a different playstyle, some were stream maps, some combo maps, some 2 finger maps...
May this year we can make a vote, each TWC included person choose 2 maps, then we got a list of maps where all can vote for each map (But no vote for his own suggested map) and the top 50% or what else will be for the tournament. And ofcourse some rules here like no heavy maps in the first rounds etc
And like MMzz said, i think unranked maps are ok too, some ppl got really cool maps that are not ranked!

-Mods should be aviable, like when someone want to play a map in HR and booth teams except this!
Or in the final rounds just to make it way harder, hard maps doesnt need and it still shows more from the "skill"

All in all I was totaly satisfied with the first TWC and think we souldnt changed that much
The only thing that pissed me of last TWC, this re-match when someone got a DC or lagg, i luled so much cause none could really check if it was a real DC or just a DC cause a miss and then press the ESC key or smthing!
Would be nice if this get changed and a DC counts in this round!
About this american team that will be created, who cares man they are top players ok, but did you guys really fear them? I mean they can create this team, all are americans...but i dont start qq-ing now, i want to pwn them, and if they pwn me, GG!

@Lepi, i think its inevitable to get ppl for the stuff that didnt dislike someone, community changed and i actually dont know anyone who like or is just neutral to everyone. But fair ppl or just ppl that take this job seriously will be find!

So my neverending story take a break now...

Someone just reminded me.

I suggest to change the proposed date of tournaments, at least start after the end of Janurary as the Chinese New Year will be on 23/1, that means that on the whole week 23~30/1 Chinese including HK/CN/TW players will disappear.

and my opinion:

I didnt liked some maps from last TWC too, but all of them were a good choice cause they all had a different playstyle, some were stream maps, some combo maps, some 2 finger maps...
May this year we can make a vote, each TWC included person choose 2 maps, then we got a list of maps where all can vote for each map (But no vote for his own suggested map) and the top 50% or what else will be for the tournament. And ofcourse some rules here like no heavy maps in the first rounds etc
And like MMzz said, i think unranked maps are ok too, some ppl got really cool maps that are not ranked!

Ranked maps generally have higher quality (well, many exceptions) and if unranked maps are ranked in the coming year, we can just take care of them in the coming competitions.
The idea to allow players to choose the map to play is nice, but the problem is that # of ranked taiko maps >> # of players, and the base of participants is small, the voting result is insignificant (e.g., 10 ppl vote for 9 maps, then one map gets 2 votes while other gets 1), while letting general players to vote requires a large amount of resource and players may "create" the voting result. Even if this is adopted, a better way is that the voting result occupies 50% while the staffs select the rest. Also the order ot song list will be arranged by the staffs in order to achieve the balance between match progression and map difficulty.

RockeDon wrote:

-A back-up player is needed, all ppl cant be everyday and what's when someone get sick? And to postpone matches only for 1 player is stupid!
So teams should be 3 (+1 back-up)

No need to specify which player is a back-up, though, since it can be changed anytime.

RockeDon wrote:

-About only 1 team per country, not that fair, some countrys got more than 4 player who wants to be in the TWC and i didnt saw anything bad last TWC that some countrys got 2 teams!

In previous TWC Korea and Germany had 2 teams each, lol.

RockeDon wrote:

-I didnt liked some maps from last TWC too, but all of them were a good choice cause they all had a different playstyle, some were stream maps, some combo maps, some 2 finger maps...
May this year we can make a vote, each TWC included person choose 2 maps, then we got a list of maps where all can vote for each map (But no vote for his own suggested map) and the top 50% or what else will be for the tournament. And ofcourse some rules here like no heavy maps in the first rounds etc
And like MMzz said, i think unranked maps are ok too, some ppl got really cool maps that are not ranked!

At least I'll try to include some suitable unranked maps this time.

RockeDon wrote:

-Mods should be aviable, like when someone want to play a map in HR and booth teams except this!
Or in the final rounds just to make it way harder, hard maps doesnt need and it still shows more from the "skill"

Nah, setting certain mod gives too many advantages to players who know the map well.

RockeDon wrote:

All in all I was totaly satisfied with the first TWC and think we souldnt changed that much
The only thing that pissed me of last TWC, this re-match when someone got a DC or lagg, i luled so much cause none could really check if it was a real DC or just a DC cause a miss and then press the ESC key or smthing!
Would be nice if this get changed and a DC counts in this round!
About this american team that will be created, who cares man they are top players ok, but did you guys really fear them? I mean they can create this team, all are americans...but i dont start qq-ing now, i want to pwn them, and if they pwn me, GG!

We had the team that lost by default due to 'possible intentional disconnection' in previous TWC.

Hmm, maybe we should start to discuss about #2 TWC more...

EDIT:
Let's move to the new thread
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