Naru Sekiya (Reina Ueda) - Hana wa Odore ya Irohaniho Naru v · forum

HappyRocket88

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-07-24T22:14:50+00:00

Hellow. :3 MOKARINO PAAAATO PAAAAATO

Can you find another BG for the Easy, Xinely? o: It seems a bit weird to have the same of the Beginner difficulty when the rest have different backgrounds. /u\

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Pata-Mon's Beginner]
I'm really unsure if this don't difficulty is needed in the mapset. I mean, it skips many beats of the song and the Easy is already too Easy to make a bgenniner difficulty. ;w;

01:13:142 (3) - Aesthetically talking, this will look way better if you make it look like this shape 01:26:642 (3) - It wouldn't hurt no one if you give a try. :3
00:15:392 (2,3) - This flow is really forced and since this is a beginner difficulty, it would be way better if objects redirect to others to lead players into intuitive motions. But, sadly this pattern doesn't really suggest where the next note could be. What about this?
00:34:892 (2,3) - Same occurs here. I do believe it would be way better if you did Ctrl + G here to give players the idea the motion isn't being compromised by going up forcefully as this pattern does. You might need to move the other objects to improve the flow section here as well.

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Easy] uhhh uhhhh UHHHH UHHHHHHHHHHHH I didn't find anything wrong with the difficulty x'D Except for these minor things:

01:23:642 (1) - Add a finish here to highlight the slight sound of the cymbal which comes out here.
00:44:642 (3,4) - Rhythmically talking, this feels better if you do Ctrl + G here. Please, try it.

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sahuang's Normal] Hi! Really neat difficulty! :3 Just some few issues that worried me a bit:

00:28:142 (1,2,3) - This is by far the only pattern where the vocals are being highlighted in this way. Rhythmically speaking is fine, but I don't think skipping this drum-beat 00:28:892 - here is a good idea. You've been doing nicely in the previous pattern and I don't think this should be the exception since this spot 00:28:892 - is actually stronger than the vocals. Therefore, I suggest you to try out a rhythm like this. What do you think?
00:36:204 (5) - This note feels rather forced because the chain of 1/2 objects is too much for this stanza. Wouldn't it be better if you remove it to keep consistency with the previous patterns? I do believe it plays smoother and nicer without it. Please, try it! Consider doing the same here 01:03:204 (5) -
01:16:142 (1,1) - I'm not sure if this is intentional but fairly saying this would look better if you stacked them respectively. >w<
00:37:142 (1) - How about a whistle on the reverse? It feels somehow empty with no hitounds over that spot. ;w; Consider applying the same here 00:40:142 (1) -
01:20:642 (1) - Add a finish here to highlight the slight sound of the cymbal which comes out here.
01:41:079 (7) - What about removing one reverse and making this 01:41:454 - spot clickeable? Since it's the last object I think it would hurt no one to give it more emphasis since this beat is actually strong to leave is as with the off-beat slider-end.

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Hard] Lovely hard! I don't really like the triplets but it's up to your way to map to the beats! >w<

00:35:454 (5,1) - What about increasing this spacing as well as you did in the previous patterns?
00:37:142 (1) - 00:40:142 (1) - What about a whistle here? It feels somehow weird with no hitsounds over that spot seeing that the instruments are really loud here.
01:03:767 (4,1) - This part is so tricky and might confuse the actual motion you intend to do here since the lst reverse doesn't redirect well the pattern to follow. By doing Ctrl + G you'll improve significantly the pattern here.
01:39:767 - Add a note here please, the rhythm felt way different without it. ;w;

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Setz's Yosakoi] Jumps + triangles. XD

01:09:767 (2) - This is not in the blue tick by purpose? I mean, it would be way better if you kept the patterns of the "hai hai" sound you've been building up with the slider-ends snapped to the blue tick.
01:33:392 (3) - Add a reverse here. The pause here feels somehow strange since most of the other pauses were made conisstenly after the 1/1 slider.

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Sonnyc

7,753 posts

Joined June 2008

Sonnyc 2016-07-24T23:35:43+00:00

Before this gets qualified.

~Pata-Mon's Beginner~

I don't feel this diff is not needed. Actually this kind of thing is what I personally expect to be from Easy difficulties. Current easies aren't this simple. And while this difficulty is quite simple enough, it's not that this is stupidly ignoring stuffs over the song just for the sake of difficulty, but rather is expressing the song in some quality wise.
01:35:642 (1) - Consider removing the combo here. Maybe the current combo setting is fitting the music, but I don't think this part was really noticable to demand a nc. Also since the previous sliders were also the same concept of long slider, keeping in the same combo will feel more organized imo.

~Hard~

00:15:204 (2,3) - Why the random jump?
00:37:142 (1,2) - 00:40:142 (1,2) - These spacings are inconsistent, and making a same spacing will look more organized.
00:59:642 (1,2) - I personally felt this extended slider wasn't working nicely while 01:06:767 (5,1) did.
00:52:704 (2,3) - 01:04:704 (2,3) - These spacings are inconsistent. Personally, the spacing at the back feels like some random jump.

~Setz' Yosakoi~

00:20:454 (5) - I feel the piano sound was actually a little delayed from the rhythms you selected as the following. http://puu.sh/qddBF/c74748c33a.jpg Just using a 1/4 triple would work more accurately imo.
00:35:829 (2,3,4,5,6) - I think you can polish this stream better. Or is it as the intended form?
00:54:767 (1,1) - 01:06:767 (1,1) - Seems you maintained some consistency with the slider shape, but the inconsistent concept of the spacing felt to lack in structure, instead of a nice variation. Mind for some better consistency?
01:40:892 (4,5,1) - I personally felt a little awkward to see this jump being quite intensed compared to the song. Not pretty sure of your intentions here, but anyways you can feel 01:41:267 (1,2) is having a stronger beat, and you have expressed those difference with a clap hitsound. However since the jump started from (4), the stronger beat of (1,2) wasn't being emphasized notably compared to other circles around there.

sahuang's diff has a different kiai setting. Though it is normally fine to have inconsistency between guest diffs, I think you can talk each other to make it more consistent. (I personally prefer sahuang's setting)

Setz

1,419 posts

Joined August 2013

Setz 2016-07-24T23:57:40+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Hellow. :3 MOKARINO PAAAATO PAAAAATO

[ Setz's Yosakoi] Jumps + triangles. XD
01:09:767 (2) - This is not in the blue tick by purpose? I mean, it would be way better if you kept the patterns of the "hai hai" sound you've been building up with the slider-ends snapped to the blue tick. ok, fixed
01:33:392 (3) - Add a reverse here. The pause here feels somehow strange since most of the other pauses were made conisstenly after the 1/1 slider.
added a note instead for consistency with 01:30:767 (3) -
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Sonnyc wrote:
Before this gets qualified.

~Setz' Yosakoi~
00:20:454 (5) - I feel the piano sound was actually a little delayed from the rhythms you selected as the following. http://puu.sh/qddBF/c74748c33a.jpg Just using a 1/4 triple would work more accurately imo. When A Mystery was going to rank his full version of the song as seen here https://osu.ppy.sh/s/304979 he looked up the sheet music, and 1/6 was the most accurate representation of the rhythim for this part, if you look at his insane, he used it as well.
00:35:829 (2,3,4,5,6) - I think you can polish this stream better. Or is it as the intended form? cleaned it up a little bit, but it is intentional for flow
00:54:767 (1,1) - 01:06:767 (1,1) - Seems you maintained some consistency with the slider shape, but the inconsistent concept of the spacing felt to lack in structure, instead of a nice variation. Mind for some better consistency? I dont know why, but for some reason in the current latest pending 01:06:767 (1) - was moved to an incorrect location, the pattern is meant to look like this http://puu.sh/qdeTs/4e154b54b5.jpg which is more in line with consistency with the first one. i fixed that mistake with the code i will post for these 2 mods.
01:40:892 (4,5,1) - I personally felt a little awkward to see this jump being quite intensed compared to the song. Not pretty sure of your intentions here, but anyways you can feel 01:41:267 (1,2) is having a stronger beat, and you have expressed those difference with a clap hitsound. However since the jump started from (4), the stronger beat of (1,2) wasn't being emphasized notably compared to other circles around there. to me, this is fine because I hear the piano get very loud where the 4 is, and the spacing of the last 2 notes is big enough to emphasize the sound. that said, i moved these notes around a little bit to make it more clear what I am trying to express here.
sahuang's diff has a different kiai setting. Though it is normally fine to have inconsistency between guest diffs, I think you can talk each other to make it more consistent. (I personally prefer sahuang's setting)

thanks for the mods guys, as pointed out in my response to sonnyc, 01:06:767 (1) - had been moved to a seemingly random place at some point by accident, but i noticed it while checking HR's mod, so this all should be taken care of now.

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Xinely

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Xinely 2016-07-25T02:02:21+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Hellow. :3 MOKARINO PAAAATO PAAAAATO

Can you find another BG for the Easy, Xinely? o: It seems a bit weird to have the same of the Beginner difficulty when the rest have different backgrounds. /u\ ok i use old bg for his gd

[ Easy] uhhh uhhhh UHHHH UHHHHHHHHHHHH I didn't find anything wrong with the difficulty x'D Except for these minor things:
01:23:642 (1) - Add a finish here to highlight the slight sound of the cymbal which comes out here.
00:44:642 (3,4) - Rhythmically talking, this feels better if you do Ctrl + G here. Please, try it.fixed all
Hard] Lovely hard! I don't really like the triplets but it's up to your way to map to the beats! >w<
00:35:454 (5,1) - What about increasing this spacing as well as you did in the previous patterns?
00:37:142 (1) - 00:40:142 (1) - What about a whistle here? It feels somehow weird with no hitsounds over that spot seeing that the instruments are really loud here. whistle for where btw, if head, it has already w
01:03:767 (4,1) - This part is so tricky and might confuse the actual motion you intend to do here since the lst reverse doesn't redirect well the pattern to follow. By doing Ctrl + G you'll improve significantly the pattern here.
01:39:767 - Add a note here please, the rhythm felt way different without it. ;w;

no reply means fixed too, thanks HR >w<

for sonnyc, im lazy to make template so
00:15:204 (2,3) - those jumps are for pianos
00:37:142 (1,2) - those jumps are for emphasis strong drums
00:59:642 (1,2) - fixed
00:52:704 (2,3) - but they use 1,2x ? D:

thanks sonnyc ~

updated with setz's diff

sahuang

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Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-07-25T02:03:59+00:00

Do u want to set kiai as mine or I change it? Anyways I will respond to mods and pls change it on ur own accord D

Pata-Mon

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Joined March 2015

Pata-Mon 2016-07-25T02:40:02+00:00

@HappyRocket88 All fixed
@Sonnyc Thanks for ur support~ about the nc issue, i use nc every two bar lines, so changing this here is a bit weird for me. if possible i wanna keep xD

Thanks for ur mods!

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Xinely

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Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-25T03:29:46+00:00

oh yeah i forgot the kiai. fixed like sahuang's did

updated patamon's beginner

sahuang

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Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-07-25T09:18:46+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Hellow. :3 MOKARINO PAAAATO PAAAAATO

[ sahuang's Normal] Hi! Really neat difficulty! :3 Just some few issues that worried me a bit:
00:28:142 (1,2,3) - This is by far the only pattern where the vocals are being highlighted in this way. Rhythmically speaking is fine, but I don't think skipping this drum-beat 00:28:892 - here is a good idea. You've been doing nicely in the previous pattern and I don't think this should be the exception since this spot 00:28:892 - is actually stronger than the vocals. Therefore, I suggest you to try out a rhythm like this. What do you think?
>>hmm, i actually think both ideas make sense. i really want to follow vocal here. i some times ignore beats such as 00:26:079 - to keep the rhythm easy and shape to look better. i agree that 00:28:892 - and 00:29:079 - may have louder music,but for this one i wanna emphasise vocal 00:28:704 -
besides i think if i do like reverse slider+2 circles the shape will be pretty hard to adjust,and i guess half of the rest shapes and patterns will need an adjustment. since now it looks ok and im indeed following music+vocal to a certain extent,i believe it's fine?
00:36:204 (5) - This note feels rather forced because the chain of 1/2 objects is too much for this stanza. Wouldn't it be better if you remove it to keep consistency with the previous patterns? I do believe it plays smoother and nicer without it. Please, try it! Consider doing the same here 01:03:204 (5) -
>>well i intended to follow vocal here,and im pretty sure there's a beat over these 2 places. i can try tho,if you insist,but i'd like to keep it for now:)
01:16:142 (1,1) - I'm not sure if this is intentional but fairly saying this would look better if you stacked them respectively. >w<
ayyy my fault,fixed
00:37:142 (1) - How about a whistle on the reverse? It feels somehow empty with no hitounds over that spot. ;w; Consider applying the same here 00:40:142 (1) - yes i think so!
01:20:642 (1) - Add a finish here to highlight the slight sound of the cymbal which comes out here. k
01:41:079 (7) - What about removing one reverse and making this 01:41:454 - spot clickeable? Since it's the last object I think it would hurt no one to give it more emphasis since this beat is actually strong to leave is as with the off-beat slider-end. true,i guess it works better. tbh i used what you suggested before but then changed,idk why lol

thanks a lot,maybe tell me more about what u think about the first 2 rejections by me? generally speaking they dont affect gameplay; for the first one if i take your advise it will take me quite some time to rearrange the shape and i think it's not worthwhile since i also follow sth here, for the latter it's simply personal preference i can say

HR without HD

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HappyRocket88

4,321 posts

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-07-25T22:43:43+00:00

sahuang I agree with your reason at making the pattern 00:28:142 (1,2,3) - to play like this; however, regarding the second suggestion, if you decided to add notes over the spots I suggested to remove, then why don't we turn this 00:56:642 (4) - into a 1/2 slider with a reverse to highlight vocals as well as you did at the beginning of the verse 00:55:142 (1) - ? or maybe add a note here too 00:55:142 (1) - ? o:

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00:37:142 (1) - 00:40:142 (1) - Oh! What I meant with these was add whistles over the slider-reverses ><
01:20:642 (1) - Add a finish here. :3

That should be all! Rawr (´・ω・)っ

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-07-25T22:55:14+00:00

yes sure,deleted now for the 2 notes and adjusted ds :w;

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HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-07-25T23:51:26+00:00

(ノ･ω･)ノ

Underforest

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Underforest 2016-07-25T23:58:57+00:00

gratz
rocket pls check my map ;w;

sahuang

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sahuang 2016-07-25T23:59:52+00:00

nice nice

-Sh1n1-

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-Sh1n1- 2016-07-26T03:32:15+00:00

*-*/ Gratz Meli-chan <3

-NanoRIPE-

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-NanoRIPE- 2016-07-26T06:14:10+00:00

Grats kak ~

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-07-26T15:36:17+00:00

I'm sorry, but I really don't get this. p/5312138
"I believe KwaN" is not far from no-sense. You should treat everyone equally, nobody is more correct because you consider his effort as a struggle. Moreover, I and KwaN made a conclusion about title in the end, because I provided official information on it, respectively, on the gap between artist's family and first name. The conclusion we made was this: p/5312027

You should read it again, because I mentioned what are the problems and what changes should be done, what options can be correct. You didn't respond to it at all and rather than that ignored it due to your belief in KwaN, although she claimed this, which is against anything you said in the post: http://puu.sh/qf8kU/1b868d16e9.png
I'm sorry to be nitpicky here, but this should have been addressed, answered properly and nominating BNs should be checking if all mods were responded properly.

I also don't get why artist is here twice, both romanized and Japanese versions are in tags. I also mentioned it and no response was given.

Good luck.

Setz

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Joined August 2013

Setz 2016-07-26T18:23:54+00:00

as for your last point, i will respond to it since i was the one that told her to add the artist to tags.

when you have long and stupidly convoluted artist names, you run into problems searching on the website. for example https://osu.ppy.sh/s/437279
for this map, try searching for Ueda Reina or Taneda Risa on the website, the map will not appear.

so, for that reason p/5304633 i told her to add those tags in this post.

Natsu

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Natsu 2016-07-26T18:35:19+00:00

Wafu there is no problem for duplicate tags, also Xinely actually replied you and trusting in a person more than other is fine, also we talked about the metadata with Xinely as well and we agreed with Kwan.

anyways Gratz!

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-07-26T19:45:43+00:00

@Natsu and @Setz: I'm not saying you cannot have duplicate tags, but what I suggested at least solved the lack for her Japanese in name (the gap between family and first name does that issue). Xinely said nothing to it, but well, that would be relatively fine, just nothing was addressed regarding this.

@Natsu: What? You state that you agreed with KwaN? Firstly, we made conclusion with KwaN on which KwaN agreed and claimed to tell Xinely after he/she probably didn't read what I said. That probably didn't happen or Xinely ignored what KwaN said. We had a long discussion about it and we both agreed on the result, I even claimed it in the post I sent. So by saying that you agree with KwaN, you're basically doing the opposite of it. By saying that "trusting in a person more than other is fine", you basically turn it into completely insensible argument - In that case, it's preference for person's opinion VS. official data (which I've given and KwaN agreed on them). If Xinely read that post, she couldn't respond with "I agree with KwaN's opinion, no fix", because I literally claimed that I and KwaN made this conclusion. Xinely's response doesn't make any sense here: http://puu.sh/qfmo0/fe6f78dc82.png

I'm not saying to DQ this for that (in case DQ would happen for any reason, don't exclude official data because you know the person, especially when they concluded something else than what you did). So just in case someone finds something, address it. It was conclusion between me and KwaN because we had a little bit more precise data, but you kept it according to her older opinion for no valid reason. The only reason I post this is so people don't skip things so easily, the thing Xinely said just looked like she read my name and was like "nope, KwaN is correct", even though I was talking about thing that KwaN concluded with me. I don't have anything against you, Xinely nor anyone else involved, but I want you to be aware that your reasoning was not in correspondence with what KwaN told me and confirmed that I can state in the thread.

Edit, response to next post: Yes, it's just a space so it's correct with artist's official website. That's why I and KwaN concluded possible artist names 13 days ago. We had quite a long discussion to exclude what should definitely not be used and what could be acceptable. I believe we should skip this, but in case this is disqualified for serious issue, then there's something what mapper skipped, that's all.

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Natsu

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Natsu 2016-07-26T19:57:40+00:00

I talked with wafu in private, seems the problem is just an empty space.

Edit: but seems isn't something unrankable, but should be fixed in case the map gets DQ for something else

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Setz

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Setz 2016-07-26T20:29:28+00:00

I didnt look at what xinely had, but i actually agree, there shouldnt be a space between given and family name. this is pretty much the norm with all japanese names unless it appears otherwise in some kind of official source.

that said, if this does get DQed, remove 上田麗奈 from tags since you would be removing the space in the artist field, but keep "Ueda Reina" since this is still needed for search on the site.

even though the tags dont really matter much, the main issue is the space.

Xinely

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Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-26T23:27:05+00:00

i just keep the space due blueray or cd or whatever is it due i cant remember correctly and ss was removed from kwan's puush, i just saved http://puu.sh/pS2jl/e8716f0571.jpg which she suggested before. i cant remember what map but i remember if space issue on unicode artist caused dq before so that's why i just keep it now. and i know kwan told to me to remove space but idk why remove the space i meant like what can provide for it so i didnt remove ;_;

if removing the space is better then ok i go request a dq soon

Modem

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Modem 2016-07-27T00:18:07+00:00

Congrats ~

Shiranai

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Shiranai 2016-07-27T01:02:29+00:00

Ya ampun cuma jelasin masalah spasi nama aja panjang bgt post nya kaya ga ada kerjaan
Anyway grats xinely

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-07-27T08:45:55+00:00

Xinely wrote:
http://puu.sh/pS2jl/e8716f0571.jpg which she suggested before.

Yeah, that was before I discussed with her. This is a .cue file, which is unofficial, anyone could write it on his own and getting the same from multiple sources is not a surprise, because copying is how piracy works. For that reason we rather decided that you should use what's on artist's website. I don't think you need to request the DQ because it's really minor, just in case it gets DQ, you know what to fix in addition.

Xinely

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Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-27T08:53:50+00:00

oh okay i get it, lets see later