Naru Sekiya (Reina Ueda) - Hana wa Odore ya Irohaniho Naru v · forum

Xinely

Joined April 2012

Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-13T01:08:19+00:00

Momochikun wrote:
sleketep ud gw re-dl sampe 4 5x gara" tu artist gonta ganti mulu duh lmao

bg di hard moe banget wtf, autoset desktop bg <3

[hard]
00:10:155 (1) - finish bagus deh imo, cymbalnya jelas banget lagian
00:17:092 (3,4,5,1) - ini imperfect square nya emg purpose lol ? dari 5 ke 1 kliatan bgt tuh beda jaraknya
00:26:655 (1,2) - jauhin dong, cmn 1.09x itu lho
01:06:780 (5) - kok cmn ini satu" nya yang dicover pake 3/4 sisanya pake note. entah cmn rada inconsistent aja si imo pengen variasi dikit lah masa 1/1 mulu uwu
01:15:405 (4) - add clap
01:18:217 (2) - ini instrumentnya ngga bgitu kedengaran jadi agak aneh pas gameplay, prefer stick ke drumnya aja mendingan pianonya jelas
01:27:217 (2) - coba pake 01:26:655 (1) - yang di ctrl g lbih rapi sumpe lah iki ancen dari ctrl+g O_O
01:00:030 (2,3,4) - kurang demen gw ini, coba tingkatin curvenya dikit lbih bagus de. skalian fix blanket LOL http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5588668
01:10:155 (1) - finish ?
01:12:592 (3,4,5) - drpd emphasize drum disini, bisa lbih bagus klo triplet nya ditaruh di 01:13:061 - buat vocalnya seperti 00:22:061 (5) - yoi tapi ancene ga suka ngemap vocal aku, lebih demen nang drum maka e ngene, seng 01:11:079 (4,5,6) - ngene2 kan yo dari drum jadi gae konsisten ae
01:29:092 (4) - whistle
00:24:405 (2,1) - blanket moar blanket

[easy]
00:05:655 - ini seperti ada sesuatu hitsound yg kurang zz whistle ?
00:10:155 (1) - finish ?
00:12:780 (5) - unconsitent spacing ok /runs
00:25:155 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - ini kok rasanya lumayan dense ya trus tiba" ganti jadi 2/1 slider spam disini 00:31:155 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - ._. coba yang sebelumnya di simplify gitu ? bikin yg selanjut e jadi 1/2 slider repeat ae, kan wez onok beginner jadi easy e iso rada angel
00:37:155 (1,3) - ini entah acceptable atau engga, soalnya itu (3) uda muncul pas slidernya belum kelar jadi keknya bingungin deh klo buat pemula
00:39:780 - add note bolehlah buat vocalnya.. kesepian ini (4) ga ada temen deket LOL goblok awakawkawk, tapi masalah e vocal di 00:39:017 - tak skip jadi tik aneh, wez gpp ngene ae
00:53:655 (3) - whistle
00:57:030 - clap
01:16:155 (5) - emg ga ada hitsound d sini ? emboh dah, setz mabok maneh paling pas ngehitsound

gw drpd ada beginner sih lbih prefer ada insane+ :p

gl ce

ticclick : easy all were fixed
hard : i want make a mini jump to emphasis 00:59:642 - piano there

thanks 4 mod ~

Setz

1,419 posts

Joined August 2013

Setz 2016-07-13T01:18:27+00:00

Momochikun

Momochikun wrote:
[setz]
00:05:655 - not to be picky but somehow i can hear that little slider-slide sounds which pretty disturbing, compared to 00:04:155 - which dont have smth like that lol yeah this bothered me too, fixed
00:10:155 (1) - should have a finish considered you add one at 00:12:030 - fixed
00:47:655 (1) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5588573 looks unimportant but yeah it affect the flow pretty much i think fixed
01:09:780 (2) - try a whistle at slidertail
01:15:592 (7) - missing clap ? fixed both
01:35:655 (1,2) - mind moving this farther, i kinda missread as 1/2 pattern lol kkk
01:41:092 (5,1,2) - well i think it's better to get the jump bigger at 1 to 2 instead of 5 to 1 considering the instrument play its tricky due to the previous flow, but i tried to make some changes here

gl ce

ty sir, useful mod

TicClick

TicClick wrote:
[Setz' Waifu <3]
00:20:454 (5) - consider using two 1/4 snapped notes instead, since the difficulty before that point heavily relies on vocals except there is no vocal sound on the blue tick thus causing this to be incorrectly snapped??
00:51:017 (1) - *sigh* if you're going to do that, at least silence the tail to make hitnormal inaudible changed to circle instead
I don't really like it, but.. oh well, whatever. gee willikers, aint that just a gosh darn shame
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TitleUnicode:花ハ踊レヤいろはにほ なるver.
Artist:Naru Sekiya (Reina Ueda)
ArtistUnicode:関谷なる（上田 麗奈）
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-NanoRIPE-

2,059 posts

Joined October 2013

-NanoRIPE- 2016-07-13T03:58:47+00:00

Hi kak
patooo patooo ~

[General]
good good

[Beginner]
None ~

[Easy]
00:10:142 (1,3) - terlihat sedikittttt overlap
00:27:392 (5) - gimana kalau 1/2 reverse slider? kayak 00:25:892 (2)
00:36:392 (4) - ctrl j?
01:10:892 (2) - kenapa nggk curve slider aja ~
01:38:642 (1,3) - stacked?

[Normal]
Nice bg :>

00:33:392 (6) - what about curve slider?
00:44:642 (4) - make it symmetry with previous slider
01:41:079 (7) - maybe move up slightly and ctrl h?

[Hard]
01:41:454 (5) - stack di slidertail gimana?

[Setz's waifu <3]
00:30:017 (2) - make it straight? (looks little bit curved)
00:54:392 (3) - make it curve? (looks better for me)

Nice diff ~

GL ~ and sorry for my terrible english and short mod ;w;

Wafu

1,703 posts

Joined June 2011

Wafu 2016-07-13T10:22:36+00:00

From p/5291831

No reliable information on metadata was provided during this, only comparison of 2 unofficial .cue files, which anyone can make on his own. It's most likely copied as the version of EAC used is exactly the same, which is not quite a high chance. Probably just a duplicate.

Anyway, scans of the BD Box are available and there are some things that could be good to know. I'll only post important scans, but can provide others in case.

Scan 1

On the right page, there's the only occurrence of artist and character name together and that's: 関谷なる（CV:上田麗奈）. There is no artist/character name anywhere connected with the song. However 関谷なる（上田麗奈） is nowhere to be seen on the case.

Scan 2

This just proves that the romanization of the artist's name we are using is correct.

Scan 3

This proves that romanization of the character's name we are using is correct.

Scan 4,5

There are two conflicting names for the song title, not sure why does one have brackets and other doesn't. Maybe the "Naru ver." is not a part of the official title, but they don't have it consistent here, so you can choose.

In conclusion, the title is correct, but there is no occurrence of 関谷なる（上田麗奈） on the official box, so it's usage in your map might be incorrect. If you can find any other official resource that states 関谷なる（上田麗奈） or any other form, you can use it as well, but at the current time, it seems invalid.

Please don't refer to unofficial data such as .cue files as these are editable by anyone and can be inaccurate. Only do that if there's absolutely no possibility to get official information about the artist/song. Also space (before romanization) between artist's given name and family name for Japanese arists is almost always incorrect (that's also reason why the artist searching bugs).

Last edited by Wafu 2016-07-13T10:58:44+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

IamKwaN

osu! Alumni

3,905 posts

Joined August 2012

IamKwaN 2016-07-13T10:58:35+00:00

I have downloaded three BD scans which give exactly the same .cue file. That's the last resort we have, I believe. If you still have concerns, can you give us a fallback instead? We have tried hard to find all possible references and ended up nothing official could be found regarding the matter.

Wafu

1,703 posts

Joined June 2011

Wafu 2016-07-13T11:53:21+00:00

We had some discussion with IamKwaN about the artist and concluded that publisher simply doesn't state who performed the album anywhere directly, so there are several options and you can pick basically what you want from these: 関谷なる（CV:上田麗奈）, 関谷なる（上田麗奈） (the same what you have, just without the buggy space, which the artist isn't even using anywhere), 上田麗奈, or 関谷なる (But I don't recommend it. It's used on Setz's map, but official information didn't state it as a "performer" or an "artist" anywhere, so replacing artist with fictional character looks senseless to me, others work well).

Xinely

5,014 posts

Joined April 2012

Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-13T12:43:44+00:00

I believe kwan and appreciate with her struggle so i will keep current metadata, and title is from http://hanayamata.com/discography/detail.php?id=1008863

i will reply nanoripe and garden's mods soon. so busy wtf

Last edited by Xinely 2016-07-15T10:09:00+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Setz

1,419 posts

Joined August 2013

Setz 2016-07-13T22:50:03+00:00

@ -NanoRIPE- I prefer the current slider shapes, so sorry no change

and about the metadata, i will give my opinion even though this isn't my set.
I feel like since there's no official source, we should use 上田麗奈 and Ueda Reina romanized. to ,you know, properly credit the actual performer, since right now the given and family names are reversed in the romanized field. this just makes the most sense to me.
this whole metadata thing is silly. the only reason I used the character as the artist for both of my maps is because that is what it said on the CD, so no credit to the artist was actually given unless you look at tags which is stupid as hell.

But well this is just my opinion, its ultimately up to nely at this point

@Nely when you updatre again, rename my diff to Setz's Yosakoi. I dont think we can get away with the waifu meme

Garden

osu! Alumni

1,345 posts

Joined June 2013

Garden 2016-07-15T06:09:31+00:00

here to mod this in the name of Narcissu as requested in my q, guess he's too stuck in dota these days idk..
[General]

上田麗奈 Ueda Reina are already in artist, so there's no need to add in tags for searching?

[Pata-Mon's Beginner]

2个2个1combo看着略蛋疼，或许4个也无妨
00:28:142 (1) - 01:07:142 (1) - 这俩可以稍微把红锚点调整到tick上，drum或人声较明显

[Easy]

00:13:142 (1) - bend the slider on the slidertick cuz that fits the drum sound better
00:25:892 (2) - imo it flows to 3 visually better this way http://puu.sh/q2fHH/3c676a9459.jpg
01:16:142 (5) - nc maybe. and consider using drum-finishorclap, i believe it needs a stronger hitsound here, same applied to other diffs

[sahuang's Normal]

00:36:767 (7,1,2) - 和这里 00:12:017 (5,6,1) - 一样摆个小三角，或许能overlap得更整洁些
00:49:142 - 可以加个note，有打击感
00:53:642 (5) - 感觉不是很安全，老实把滑条角落露清楚吧

[Hard]

00:12:579 (4) - consider http://puu.sh/q2gJz/1b82bb786f.jpg maybe, current pattern might be easily read as a single-time reversed slider at first try
00:28:704 (2,3) - spacing between sliderheads is sort of weird considering 00:28:142 (1,2) - this spacing, can refer to 00:38:829 (2,3,4) -
00:42:673 - 00:43:048 - 00:55:048 - unused inherited points
01:40:892 (3,4,5) - hope ppl won't get annoyed with a last miss lol

[Setz]

only thing that i wanna mention is that the speedup sliders in the kiai part are not obvious enough, when i first played this i wondered why they're not featured with higher sv, until i saw in the editor that a slight sv change does exist

Underforest

5,895 posts

Joined July 2015

Underforest 2016-07-15T06:12:08+00:00

reina in my language means queen c: owo

Pata-Mon

1,489 posts

Joined March 2015

Pata-Mon 2016-07-15T12:44:56+00:00

@花园
滑条改了第二个
nc本来就已经是俩小节一个了，不到1星的难度一组4个我都嫌多，就这样吧~

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Xinely

5,014 posts

Joined April 2012

Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-15T13:44:20+00:00

-NanoRIPE- wrote:
Hi kak
patooo patooo ~

[Easy]
00:10:142 (1,3) - terlihat sedikittttt overlap
00:27:392 (5) - gimana kalau 1/2 reverse slider? kayak 00:25:892 (2)
00:36:392 (4) - ctrl j?
01:10:892 (2) - kenapa nggk curve slider aja ~ krn saya anti menstrim hehe
01:38:642 (1,3) - stacked?

[Hard]
01:41:454 (5) - stack di slidertail gimana? flownya lebih enak kalo di stacknya di head

Nice diff ~

GL ~ and sorry for my terrible english and short mod ;w;

Garden wrote:
here to mod this in the name of Narcissu as requested in my q, guess he's too stuck in dota these days idk..
[General]
上田麗奈 Ueda Reina are already in artist, so there's no need to add in tags for searching? believe me because no space between "(" and her name, it doesnt work properly in forum searching, this already happened to my map and setz maps and we just realized lol, so that's why i keep this to tags
[Easy]
00:13:142 (1) - bend the slider on the slidertick cuz that fits the drum sound better
00:25:892 (2) - imo it flows to 3 visually better this way http://puu.sh/q2fHH/3c676a9459.jpg
01:16:142 (5) - nc maybe. and consider using drum-finishorclap, i believe it needs a stronger hitsound here, same applied to other diffs setz who did the hitsoundbut i like drum finish so i apply to my diffs only, its up to GDers to change it or not
[Hard]
00:12:579 (4) - consider http://puu.sh/q2gJz/1b82bb786f.jpg maybe, current pattern might be easily read as a single-time reversed slider at first try
00:28:704 (2,3) - spacing between sliderheads is sort of weird considering 00:28:142 (1,2) - this spacing, can refer to 00:38:829 (2,3,4) -
00:42:673 - 00:43:048 - 00:55:048 - unused inherited points
01:40:892 (3,4,5) - hope ppl won't get annoyed with a last miss lol is that hard to read this O_O
[/list]

no reply means fixed, thanks

Underforest : waaaaa spanish is cute

Natsu

8,076 posts

Joined September 2012

Natsu 2016-07-16T04:56:09+00:00

Setz's Yosakoi

00:42:767 (5,1) - this is really annoying at first play it looks like 1/2 jump there is nothing similar as this in the whole diff
01:04:142 (1) - this slider looks bad, I mean the last curve looks like an L, I think a similar shape like 00:52:142 (1) - looks alot better
play nice, I disagree with the big 1/4 jump, rest is fine

Hard

00:36:392 (5,6) - nazi, make them parallel will improve visuals at this pattern, current one doesn't looks that nice
01:03:392 (3,4) - this is rhythmically wrong, if you want to follow the music closely, then you need to start the repeat slider at 01:03:767 - if you want to follow the vocals or in 01:03:579 - if you following the drums, your current one starting at the blue tick is confused, since the rhythm is wrong and also the number of repeats is weird.
01:19:142 - 01:19:704 - why aren't you following the melody as you did with 01:17:642 (1,2) - ? seems inconsistent to me

sahuang's Normal

00:42:392 (5) - use 2 circles instead, since both beats need a click action, because they are such strong sounds, mapping them similar as the weak beats at 00:41:642 (4) - makes no sense
00:55:142 (1,2) - spacing, don't look at the editor if you don't use stacking on, look at it in game and you will notice, its a small spacing issue, but worth fixing it
01:03:204 (5) - same here, be careful when stacking, since the stack leniency ruin your spacing, that's why you should map with stacking on that help you to avoid this things.

Easy

00:18:392 (3,1) - tiny spacing error
01:04:892 (2,3,4) - same as above

Pata-Mon's Beginner

your NC usage is really spammy, please use NC every 4 stanzas to avoid that 2 objects combo spam.
00:35:642 (2,2) - rhythm is wrong, 00:37:142 - 00:40:142 - those beats need a click action, since is where the stanza start. Your actual rhythm make the start of the music end in your sliders :c
00:42:392 - same as above
HP drain and OD 0 isn't ok, use atleast 1
tbh I think beginner diffs are not necessary at all they ignore the music too much, anyways I hope you fix those rhythms at least, since you are ignoring really important beats there

Let me know

Setz

1,419 posts

Joined August 2013

Setz 2016-07-16T05:06:47+00:00

Natsu wrote:
Setz's Yosakoi

00:42:767 (5,1) - this is really annoying at first play it looks like 1/2 jump there is nothing similar as this in the whole diff this is perfectly fine due to slider leniency. I have used this same exact pattern in 3 of my ranked maps to emphasize the same type of rhythim and it has never been an issue.
01:04:142 (1) - this slider looks bad, I mean the last curve looks like an L, I think a similar shape like 00:52:142 (1) - looks alot better fixed
play nice, I disagree with the big 1/4 jump, rest is fine
Let me know

ty for the mod sir

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Xinely

5,014 posts

Joined April 2012

Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-16T05:12:03+00:00

Natsu wrote:
Hard

00:36:392 (5,6) - nazi, make them parallel will improve visuals at this pattern, current one doesn't looks that nice
01:03:392 (3,4) - this is rhythmically wrong, if you want to follow the music closely, then you need to start the repeat slider at 01:03:767 - if you want to follow the vocals or in 01:03:579 - if you following the drums, your current one starting at the blue tick is confused, since the rhythm is wrong and also the number of repeats is weird.
01:19:142 - 01:19:704 - why aren't you following the melody as you did with 01:17:642 (1,2) - ? seems inconsistent to me 01:19:329 - 01:19:892 - instrument are louder so that's why i map them, not because i follow drum here

Easy

00:18:392 (3,1) - tiny spacing error
01:04:892 (2,3,4) - same as above

Let me know

no reply means fixed

thanks

waiting sahuang and patamon after that i go to update

sahuang

2,294 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-07-16T08:00:56+00:00

Natsu wrote:
sahuang's Normal
00:42:392 (5) - use 2 circles instead, since both beats need a click action, because they are such strong sounds, mapping them similar as the weak beats at 00:41:642 (4) - makes no sense yes,i think so
for the other two idk exactly how to fix them,i changed pattern a bit so in testplay it's easier to hit. idk if it works.
for the first one it should be ok now , but the 01:02:642 (4,5,6) - one is very hard to change,this may change the whole pattern,so imo just leave it like this

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ArtistUnicode:関谷なる（上田 麗奈）
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Pata-Mon

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Joined March 2015

Pata-Mon 2016-07-16T08:02:38+00:00

Natsu wrote:

[b]Pata-Mon's Beginner

your NC usage is really spammy, please use NC every 4 stanzas to avoid that 2 objects combo spam.
00:35:642 (2,2) - rhythm is wrong, 00:37:142 - 00:40:142 - those beats need a click action, since is where the stanza start. Your actual rhythm make the start of the music end in your sliders :c
00:42:392 - same as above all fixed above
HP drain and OD 0 isn't ok, use atleast 1

about hp and od:
https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Easy_(Difficulty)：I didn't see why can't use 0
0 can be chosen in editor. we can't use cs1 or 8 because these can only changed by editing .osu file directly, but hp0 and od0 aren't
normal: ar5 od4 hp4; easy: ar3 od2 hp2; so beginner 1/0/0 is good
I saw some ranked beginner diffs use hp0od0，for example：https://osu.ppy.sh/b/741477

if u still think hp0od0 isn't ok after these, i will change then

tbh I think beginner diffs are not necessary at all they ignore the music too much, anyways I hope you fix those rhythms at least, since you are ignoring really important beats there
Let me know

thanks for mod

@nely 他要还说odhp不行的话就帮我改一下吧~谢谢

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Natsu

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Joined September 2012

Natsu 2016-07-16T08:10:03+00:00

@ Patamon and the beginner you linked me is one of the most unnecessary diffs, od and hp 0 are really low that make the diff feels less needed, the map you linked is a meme map that wasn't a serious map, you saw how it is mapped? also take in mind we are discussing your map not monstrata one, and I still think that using 0 for both settings is really ridiculous, so you better give me a good explain and not X mapper did the same.

Pata-Mon

1,489 posts

Joined March 2015

Pata-Mon 2016-07-16T08:14:01+00:00

Natsu wrote:
@ Patamon and the beginner you linked me is one of the most unnecessary diffs, od and hp 0 are really low that make the diff feels less needed, the map you linked is a meme map that wasn't a serious map, you saw how it is mapped? also take in mind we are discussing your map not monstrata one, and I still think that using 0 for both settings is really ridiculous, so you better give me a good explain and not X mapper did the same.

hmm, I gave 4 reasons, except this one there were still three:

https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Easy_(Difficulty)：I didn't see why can't use 0
0 can be chosen in editor. we can't use cs1 or 8 because these can only changed by editing .osu file directly, but hp0 and od0 aren't
normal: ar5 od4 hp4; easy: ar3 od2 hp2; so beginner 1/0/0 is good

if u don't agree i will change it

Natsu

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Joined September 2012

Natsu 2016-07-16T08:56:31+00:00

Underforest

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Joined July 2015

Underforest 2016-07-18T07:18:42+00:00

Xinely wrote:
Underforest : waaaaa spanish is cute

ikr

HappyRocket88

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Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-07-24T22:14:50+00:00

Hellow. :3 MOKARINO PAAAATO PAAAAATO

Can you find another BG for the Easy, Xinely? o: It seems a bit weird to have the same of the Beginner difficulty when the rest have different backgrounds. /u\

[

Pata-Mon's Beginner]
I'm really unsure if this don't difficulty is needed in the mapset. I mean, it skips many beats of the song and the Easy is already too Easy to make a bgenniner difficulty. ;w;

01:13:142 (3) - Aesthetically talking, this will look way better if you make it look like this shape 01:26:642 (3) - It wouldn't hurt no one if you give a try. :3
00:15:392 (2,3) - This flow is really forced and since this is a beginner difficulty, it would be way better if objects redirect to others to lead players into intuitive motions. But, sadly this pattern doesn't really suggest where the next note could be. What about this?
00:34:892 (2,3) - Same occurs here. I do believe it would be way better if you did Ctrl + G here to give players the idea the motion isn't being compromised by going up forcefully as this pattern does. You might need to move the other objects to improve the flow section here as well.

[

Easy] uhhh uhhhh UHHHH UHHHHHHHHHHHH I didn't find anything wrong with the difficulty x'D Except for these minor things:

01:23:642 (1) - Add a finish here to highlight the slight sound of the cymbal which comes out here.
00:44:642 (3,4) - Rhythmically talking, this feels better if you do Ctrl + G here. Please, try it.

[

sahuang's Normal] Hi! Really neat difficulty! :3 Just some few issues that worried me a bit:

00:28:142 (1,2,3) - This is by far the only pattern where the vocals are being highlighted in this way. Rhythmically speaking is fine, but I don't think skipping this drum-beat 00:28:892 - here is a good idea. You've been doing nicely in the previous pattern and I don't think this should be the exception since this spot 00:28:892 - is actually stronger than the vocals. Therefore, I suggest you to try out a rhythm like this. What do you think?
00:36:204 (5) - This note feels rather forced because the chain of 1/2 objects is too much for this stanza. Wouldn't it be better if you remove it to keep consistency with the previous patterns? I do believe it plays smoother and nicer without it. Please, try it! Consider doing the same here 01:03:204 (5) -
01:16:142 (1,1) - I'm not sure if this is intentional but fairly saying this would look better if you stacked them respectively. >w<
00:37:142 (1) - How about a whistle on the reverse? It feels somehow empty with no hitounds over that spot. ;w; Consider applying the same here 00:40:142 (1) -
01:20:642 (1) - Add a finish here to highlight the slight sound of the cymbal which comes out here.
01:41:079 (7) - What about removing one reverse and making this 01:41:454 - spot clickeable? Since it's the last object I think it would hurt no one to give it more emphasis since this beat is actually strong to leave is as with the off-beat slider-end.

[

Hard] Lovely hard! I don't really like the triplets but it's up to your way to map to the beats! >w<

00:35:454 (5,1) - What about increasing this spacing as well as you did in the previous patterns?
00:37:142 (1) - 00:40:142 (1) - What about a whistle here? It feels somehow weird with no hitsounds over that spot seeing that the instruments are really loud here.
01:03:767 (4,1) - This part is so tricky and might confuse the actual motion you intend to do here since the lst reverse doesn't redirect well the pattern to follow. By doing Ctrl + G you'll improve significantly the pattern here.
01:39:767 - Add a note here please, the rhythm felt way different without it. ;w;

[

Setz's Yosakoi] Jumps + triangles. XD

01:09:767 (2) - This is not in the blue tick by purpose? I mean, it would be way better if you kept the patterns of the "hai hai" sound you've been building up with the slider-ends snapped to the blue tick.
01:33:392 (3) - Add a reverse here. The pause here feels somehow strange since most of the other pauses were made conisstenly after the 1/1 slider.

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Sonnyc

7,761 posts

Joined June 2008

Sonnyc 2016-07-24T23:35:43+00:00

Before this gets qualified.

~Pata-Mon's Beginner~

I don't feel this diff is not needed. Actually this kind of thing is what I personally expect to be from Easy difficulties. Current easies aren't this simple. And while this difficulty is quite simple enough, it's not that this is stupidly ignoring stuffs over the song just for the sake of difficulty, but rather is expressing the song in some quality wise.
01:35:642 (1) - Consider removing the combo here. Maybe the current combo setting is fitting the music, but I don't think this part was really noticable to demand a nc. Also since the previous sliders were also the same concept of long slider, keeping in the same combo will feel more organized imo.

~Hard~

00:15:204 (2,3) - Why the random jump?
00:37:142 (1,2) - 00:40:142 (1,2) - These spacings are inconsistent, and making a same spacing will look more organized.
00:59:642 (1,2) - I personally felt this extended slider wasn't working nicely while 01:06:767 (5,1) did.
00:52:704 (2,3) - 01:04:704 (2,3) - These spacings are inconsistent. Personally, the spacing at the back feels like some random jump.

~Setz' Yosakoi~

00:20:454 (5) - I feel the piano sound was actually a little delayed from the rhythms you selected as the following. http://puu.sh/qddBF/c74748c33a.jpg Just using a 1/4 triple would work more accurately imo.
00:35:829 (2,3,4,5,6) - I think you can polish this stream better. Or is it as the intended form?
00:54:767 (1,1) - 01:06:767 (1,1) - Seems you maintained some consistency with the slider shape, but the inconsistent concept of the spacing felt to lack in structure, instead of a nice variation. Mind for some better consistency?
01:40:892 (4,5,1) - I personally felt a little awkward to see this jump being quite intensed compared to the song. Not pretty sure of your intentions here, but anyways you can feel 01:41:267 (1,2) is having a stronger beat, and you have expressed those difference with a clap hitsound. However since the jump started from (4), the stronger beat of (1,2) wasn't being emphasized notably compared to other circles around there.

sahuang's diff has a different kiai setting. Though it is normally fine to have inconsistency between guest diffs, I think you can talk each other to make it more consistent. (I personally prefer sahuang's setting)

Setz

1,419 posts

Joined August 2013

Setz 2016-07-24T23:57:40+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Hellow. :3 MOKARINO PAAAATO PAAAAATO

[ Setz's Yosakoi] Jumps + triangles. XD
01:09:767 (2) - This is not in the blue tick by purpose? I mean, it would be way better if you kept the patterns of the "hai hai" sound you've been building up with the slider-ends snapped to the blue tick. ok, fixed
01:33:392 (3) - Add a reverse here. The pause here feels somehow strange since most of the other pauses were made conisstenly after the 1/1 slider.
added a note instead for consistency with 01:30:767 (3) -
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That should be all! Call me back!

Sonnyc wrote:
Before this gets qualified.

~Setz' Yosakoi~
00:20:454 (5) - I feel the piano sound was actually a little delayed from the rhythms you selected as the following. http://puu.sh/qddBF/c74748c33a.jpg Just using a 1/4 triple would work more accurately imo. When A Mystery was going to rank his full version of the song as seen here https://osu.ppy.sh/s/304979 he looked up the sheet music, and 1/6 was the most accurate representation of the rhythim for this part, if you look at his insane, he used it as well.
00:35:829 (2,3,4,5,6) - I think you can polish this stream better. Or is it as the intended form? cleaned it up a little bit, but it is intentional for flow
00:54:767 (1,1) - 01:06:767 (1,1) - Seems you maintained some consistency with the slider shape, but the inconsistent concept of the spacing felt to lack in structure, instead of a nice variation. Mind for some better consistency? I dont know why, but for some reason in the current latest pending 01:06:767 (1) - was moved to an incorrect location, the pattern is meant to look like this http://puu.sh/qdeTs/4e154b54b5.jpg which is more in line with consistency with the first one. i fixed that mistake with the code i will post for these 2 mods.
01:40:892 (4,5,1) - I personally felt a little awkward to see this jump being quite intensed compared to the song. Not pretty sure of your intentions here, but anyways you can feel 01:41:267 (1,2) is having a stronger beat, and you have expressed those difference with a clap hitsound. However since the jump started from (4), the stronger beat of (1,2) wasn't being emphasized notably compared to other circles around there. to me, this is fine because I hear the piano get very loud where the 4 is, and the spacing of the last 2 notes is big enough to emphasize the sound. that said, i moved these notes around a little bit to make it more clear what I am trying to express here.
sahuang's diff has a different kiai setting. Though it is normally fine to have inconsistency between guest diffs, I think you can talk each other to make it more consistent. (I personally prefer sahuang's setting)

thanks for the mods guys, as pointed out in my response to sonnyc, 01:06:767 (1) - had been moved to a seemingly random place at some point by accident, but i noticed it while checking HR's mod, so this all should be taken care of now.

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Xinely

5,014 posts

Joined April 2012

Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-25T02:02:21+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Hellow. :3 MOKARINO PAAAATO PAAAAATO

Can you find another BG for the Easy, Xinely? o: It seems a bit weird to have the same of the Beginner difficulty when the rest have different backgrounds. /u\ ok i use old bg for his gd

[ Easy] uhhh uhhhh UHHHH UHHHHHHHHHHHH I didn't find anything wrong with the difficulty x'D Except for these minor things:
01:23:642 (1) - Add a finish here to highlight the slight sound of the cymbal which comes out here.
00:44:642 (3,4) - Rhythmically talking, this feels better if you do Ctrl + G here. Please, try it.fixed all
Hard] Lovely hard! I don't really like the triplets but it's up to your way to map to the beats! >w<
00:35:454 (5,1) - What about increasing this spacing as well as you did in the previous patterns?
00:37:142 (1) - 00:40:142 (1) - What about a whistle here? It feels somehow weird with no hitsounds over that spot seeing that the instruments are really loud here. whistle for where btw, if head, it has already w
01:03:767 (4,1) - This part is so tricky and might confuse the actual motion you intend to do here since the lst reverse doesn't redirect well the pattern to follow. By doing Ctrl + G you'll improve significantly the pattern here.
01:39:767 - Add a note here please, the rhythm felt way different without it. ;w;

no reply means fixed too, thanks HR >w<

for sonnyc, im lazy to make template so
00:15:204 (2,3) - those jumps are for pianos
00:37:142 (1,2) - those jumps are for emphasis strong drums
00:59:642 (1,2) - fixed
00:52:704 (2,3) - but they use 1,2x ? D:

thanks sonnyc ~

updated with setz's diff

sahuang

2,294 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-07-25T02:03:59+00:00

Do u want to set kiai as mine or I change it? Anyways I will respond to mods and pls change it on ur own accord D

Pata-Mon

1,489 posts

Joined March 2015

Pata-Mon 2016-07-25T02:40:02+00:00

@HappyRocket88 All fixed
@Sonnyc Thanks for ur support~ about the nc issue, i use nc every two bar lines, so changing this here is a bit weird for me. if possible i wanna keep xD

Thanks for ur mods!

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Xinely

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Xinely 2016-07-25T03:29:46+00:00

oh yeah i forgot the kiai. fixed like sahuang's did

updated patamon's beginner

sahuang

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Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-07-25T09:18:46+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Hellow. :3 MOKARINO PAAAATO PAAAAATO

[ sahuang's Normal] Hi! Really neat difficulty! :3 Just some few issues that worried me a bit:
00:28:142 (1,2,3) - This is by far the only pattern where the vocals are being highlighted in this way. Rhythmically speaking is fine, but I don't think skipping this drum-beat 00:28:892 - here is a good idea. You've been doing nicely in the previous pattern and I don't think this should be the exception since this spot 00:28:892 - is actually stronger than the vocals. Therefore, I suggest you to try out a rhythm like this. What do you think?
>>hmm, i actually think both ideas make sense. i really want to follow vocal here. i some times ignore beats such as 00:26:079 - to keep the rhythm easy and shape to look better. i agree that 00:28:892 - and 00:29:079 - may have louder music,but for this one i wanna emphasise vocal 00:28:704 -
besides i think if i do like reverse slider+2 circles the shape will be pretty hard to adjust,and i guess half of the rest shapes and patterns will need an adjustment. since now it looks ok and im indeed following music+vocal to a certain extent,i believe it's fine?
00:36:204 (5) - This note feels rather forced because the chain of 1/2 objects is too much for this stanza. Wouldn't it be better if you remove it to keep consistency with the previous patterns? I do believe it plays smoother and nicer without it. Please, try it! Consider doing the same here 01:03:204 (5) -
>>well i intended to follow vocal here,and im pretty sure there's a beat over these 2 places. i can try tho,if you insist,but i'd like to keep it for now:)
01:16:142 (1,1) - I'm not sure if this is intentional but fairly saying this would look better if you stacked them respectively. >w<
ayyy my fault,fixed
00:37:142 (1) - How about a whistle on the reverse? It feels somehow empty with no hitounds over that spot. ;w; Consider applying the same here 00:40:142 (1) - yes i think so!
01:20:642 (1) - Add a finish here to highlight the slight sound of the cymbal which comes out here. k
01:41:079 (7) - What about removing one reverse and making this 01:41:454 - spot clickeable? Since it's the last object I think it would hurt no one to give it more emphasis since this beat is actually strong to leave is as with the off-beat slider-end. true,i guess it works better. tbh i used what you suggested before but then changed,idk why lol

thanks a lot,maybe tell me more about what u think about the first 2 rejections by me? generally speaking they dont affect gameplay; for the first one if i take your advise it will take me quite some time to rearrange the shape and i think it's not worthwhile since i also follow sth here, for the latter it's simply personal preference i can say

HR without HD

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HappyRocket88

4,322 posts

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-07-25T22:43:43+00:00

sahuang I agree with your reason at making the pattern 00:28:142 (1,2,3) - to play like this; however, regarding the second suggestion, if you decided to add notes over the spots I suggested to remove, then why don't we turn this 00:56:642 (4) - into a 1/2 slider with a reverse to highlight vocals as well as you did at the beginning of the verse 00:55:142 (1) - ? or maybe add a note here too 00:55:142 (1) - ? o:

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00:37:142 (1) - 00:40:142 (1) - Oh! What I meant with these was add whistles over the slider-reverses ><
01:20:642 (1) - Add a finish here. :3

That should be all! Rawr (´・ω・)っ

sahuang

2,294 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-07-25T22:55:14+00:00

yes sure,deleted now for the 2 notes and adjusted ds :w;

osu file format v14

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HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-07-25T23:51:26+00:00

(ノ･ω･)ノ

Underforest

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Underforest 2016-07-25T23:58:57+00:00

gratz
rocket pls check my map ;w;

sahuang

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sahuang 2016-07-25T23:59:52+00:00

nice nice

-Sh1n1-

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-Sh1n1- 2016-07-26T03:32:15+00:00

*-*/ Gratz Meli-chan <3

-NanoRIPE-

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-NanoRIPE- 2016-07-26T06:14:10+00:00

Grats kak ~

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-07-26T15:36:17+00:00

I'm sorry, but I really don't get this. p/5312138
"I believe KwaN" is not far from no-sense. You should treat everyone equally, nobody is more correct because you consider his effort as a struggle. Moreover, I and KwaN made a conclusion about title in the end, because I provided official information on it, respectively, on the gap between artist's family and first name. The conclusion we made was this: p/5312027

You should read it again, because I mentioned what are the problems and what changes should be done, what options can be correct. You didn't respond to it at all and rather than that ignored it due to your belief in KwaN, although she claimed this, which is against anything you said in the post: http://puu.sh/qf8kU/1b868d16e9.png
I'm sorry to be nitpicky here, but this should have been addressed, answered properly and nominating BNs should be checking if all mods were responded properly.

I also don't get why artist is here twice, both romanized and Japanese versions are in tags. I also mentioned it and no response was given.

Good luck.

Setz

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Joined August 2013

Setz 2016-07-26T18:23:54+00:00

as for your last point, i will respond to it since i was the one that told her to add the artist to tags.

when you have long and stupidly convoluted artist names, you run into problems searching on the website. for example https://osu.ppy.sh/s/437279
for this map, try searching for Ueda Reina or Taneda Risa on the website, the map will not appear.

so, for that reason p/5304633 i told her to add those tags in this post.

Natsu

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Joined September 2012

Natsu 2016-07-26T18:35:19+00:00

Wafu there is no problem for duplicate tags, also Xinely actually replied you and trusting in a person more than other is fine, also we talked about the metadata with Xinely as well and we agreed with Kwan.

anyways Gratz!

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-07-26T19:45:43+00:00

@Natsu and @Setz: I'm not saying you cannot have duplicate tags, but what I suggested at least solved the lack for her Japanese in name (the gap between family and first name does that issue). Xinely said nothing to it, but well, that would be relatively fine, just nothing was addressed regarding this.

@Natsu: What? You state that you agreed with KwaN? Firstly, we made conclusion with KwaN on which KwaN agreed and claimed to tell Xinely after he/she probably didn't read what I said. That probably didn't happen or Xinely ignored what KwaN said. We had a long discussion about it and we both agreed on the result, I even claimed it in the post I sent. So by saying that you agree with KwaN, you're basically doing the opposite of it. By saying that "trusting in a person more than other is fine", you basically turn it into completely insensible argument - In that case, it's preference for person's opinion VS. official data (which I've given and KwaN agreed on them). If Xinely read that post, she couldn't respond with "I agree with KwaN's opinion, no fix", because I literally claimed that I and KwaN made this conclusion. Xinely's response doesn't make any sense here: http://puu.sh/qfmo0/fe6f78dc82.png

I'm not saying to DQ this for that (in case DQ would happen for any reason, don't exclude official data because you know the person, especially when they concluded something else than what you did). So just in case someone finds something, address it. It was conclusion between me and KwaN because we had a little bit more precise data, but you kept it according to her older opinion for no valid reason. The only reason I post this is so people don't skip things so easily, the thing Xinely said just looked like she read my name and was like "nope, KwaN is correct", even though I was talking about thing that KwaN concluded with me. I don't have anything against you, Xinely nor anyone else involved, but I want you to be aware that your reasoning was not in correspondence with what KwaN told me and confirmed that I can state in the thread.

Edit, response to next post: Yes, it's just a space so it's correct with artist's official website. That's why I and KwaN concluded possible artist names 13 days ago. We had quite a long discussion to exclude what should definitely not be used and what could be acceptable. I believe we should skip this, but in case this is disqualified for serious issue, then there's something what mapper skipped, that's all.

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Natsu

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Natsu 2016-07-26T19:57:40+00:00

I talked with wafu in private, seems the problem is just an empty space.

Edit: but seems isn't something unrankable, but should be fixed in case the map gets DQ for something else

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Setz

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Joined August 2013

Setz 2016-07-26T20:29:28+00:00

I didnt look at what xinely had, but i actually agree, there shouldnt be a space between given and family name. this is pretty much the norm with all japanese names unless it appears otherwise in some kind of official source.

that said, if this does get DQed, remove 上田麗奈 from tags since you would be removing the space in the artist field, but keep "Ueda Reina" since this is still needed for search on the site.

even though the tags dont really matter much, the main issue is the space.

Xinely

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Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-26T23:27:05+00:00

i just keep the space due blueray or cd or whatever is it due i cant remember correctly and ss was removed from kwan's puush, i just saved http://puu.sh/pS2jl/e8716f0571.jpg which she suggested before. i cant remember what map but i remember if space issue on unicode artist caused dq before so that's why i just keep it now. and i know kwan told to me to remove space but idk why remove the space i meant like what can provide for it so i didnt remove ;_;

if removing the space is better then ok i go request a dq soon

Modem

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Modem 2016-07-27T00:18:07+00:00

Congrats ~

Shiranai

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Shiranai 2016-07-27T01:02:29+00:00

Ya ampun cuma jelasin masalah spasi nama aja panjang bgt post nya kaya ga ada kerjaan
Anyway grats xinely

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-07-27T08:45:55+00:00

Xinely wrote:
http://puu.sh/pS2jl/e8716f0571.jpg which she suggested before.

Yeah, that was before I discussed with her. This is a .cue file, which is unofficial, anyone could write it on his own and getting the same from multiple sources is not a surprise, because copying is how piracy works. For that reason we rather decided that you should use what's on artist's website. I don't think you need to request the DQ because it's really minor, just in case it gets DQ, you know what to fix in addition.

Xinely

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Topic Starter

Xinely 2016-07-27T08:53:50+00:00

oh okay i get it, lets see later

GravedadZeroIsh

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GravedadZeroIsh 2016-08-02T01:56:10+00:00

Great!

Senritsu