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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
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Blank Elchea
70 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
Blank Elchea
I've put labels on the paragraphs so you can skip the parts you don't need :P for example if you already trust my opinion skip the "Why trust me?" paragraph.

-=-Why Trust Me?-=-
Although I may be a younger player to osu, I still have played for a long enough time to know when there is a real problem with the community, or just with me. I have yet to make any post on problems that I have run into with osu, because I can either find a way to work around them, or simply get help through chat. So, trust me when I say that there is no work around to this problem. Also, while my osu account was made 3 months ago, I played on guest for around a year before that, because a family member played osu, so I just used the songs they had already downloaded. If you don't believe me, look at my profile, no player goes straight to 4 star songs when they join.

-=-Don't Trust Me? Here are the facts!-=-
Most likely, since you are reading this fourm, you have a marginal role in the community. So, you should have seen many names by now ending in "9600" or "123", possibly even a players age such as "TinkerbellOsu16" (not a real player)... This doesn't mean that there is a problem, but it should at least give a hint that something might be wrong. The problem is how long it takes for names to expire. Osu has 8,400,000 players registered... although there are usually 10,000 at most on at a time. This means that on a daily basis around 8,000,000 account names aren't used. Here are some examples of how long it takes for an account to expire.
Time Played: 103 Hours Playe Count: 6647 Time Until Name Expires: 10 Years
Time Played: 30 Hours Play Count: 1390 Time Until Name Expires: 4 Years
Time Played: 5 Hours Play Count: 336 Time Until Name Expires: 1.5 Years
Time Played: 4 Minutes Play Count: 2 Time Until Name Expires: 1.5 Years
The first account is mine... Honestly if I came back in 10 years, let alone 2 years, I wouldn't mind if my name was gone. If I log off for 2 years straight, I don't deserve the right to deny players that still play this name.
Also, the fact that a player can log on for 4 minutes, then log on over a year later and still have their name, I find obnoxious.

-=-How Can We Fix It?-=-
Option A:
The first option is the most simple, decrease the equation that decides the length of the name. For example, if it's (1.5 [Years] * 10^[Play Count]) make it
(1 [Year] * 5^[Play Count])
Option B:
The next option, and in my opinion the most fair, is to set it to a flat date. For example, 2 years, no matter what the number of plays.
Option C:
Decrease the time a player has to wait based on their support to the game. For example for ever $1 donated, take %1 off the time waiting. This would make the maximum donation of $52 cut the time you have to wait in half.
Option D:
Decrease the time a player has to wait based on their play count, with a maximum of %50. This would reward the players that commit themselves to the game, while decreasing the time for those that aren't committed to it.
Seijiro
osu! Alumni
3,438 posts
Joined April 2013
Seijiro
Moved topic in the right forum.

As for the request itself I don't know what to say... I mean, I never actually used the name change nor have any need regarding it, so I'll rather leave others leave their opinion on this.
Natahotra
134 posts
Joined September 2015
Natahotra
If a user doesn't log on for 6 months or longer its username is up for grabs anyways.
Still a sweet request though.
_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding

Knife Party wrote:

If a user doesn't log on for 6 months or longer its username is up for grabs anyways.
Still a sweet request though.
It's 2 years afaik

Also about option B; a lot of players have been the same for more than 2 years. Are you saying we are unable (or at least dont get priority) to keep our old names?
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris
Tbh I very much appreciated that my account still existed with the same name after years.
Aside from that you got your facts wrong. It starts at 6 months and then 1 year protection per 500 plays across all gamemodes.

->
Time Played: 30 Hours Play Count: 1390 Time Until Name Expires: 3.28 Years
Time Played: 5 Hours Play Count: 336 Time Until Name Expires: 1.172 years
Time Played: 4 Minutes Play Count: 2 Time Until Name Expires: 6 months and 1.46 days

And imo anyone who spent 6670 plays on this game fucking deserves 13 years of usernameprotection as 103 hours is already a lot more than people spend on one game usually.
Aside from that usernames can be taken away through namechanges but also through new players registering with the name of an account that has its nameprotection expired.
I think adjustments could be made but generally speaking the system goes into the correct direction by protecting the names of players who invested a lot of time into the game.
Natahotra
134 posts
Joined September 2015
Natahotra

Kisses wrote:

Knife Party wrote:

If a user doesn't log on for 6 months or longer its username is up for grabs anyways.
Still a sweet request though.
It's 2 years afaik

Also about option B; a lot of players have been the same for more than 2 years. Are you saying we are unable (or at least dont get priority) to keep our old names?
RIP I ain't up-to-date anymore
Blank Elchea
70 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
Blank Elchea

Kisses wrote:

Knife Party wrote:

If a user doesn't log on for 6 months or longer its username is up for grabs anyways.
Still a sweet request though.
It's 2 years afaik

Also about option B; a lot of players have been the same for more than 2 years. Are you saying we are unable (or at least dont get priority) to keep our old names?
A:
It is two years if you have less than 400 Play Count. For example two of the names were above 400 and take 10 years (mine) and 4 years for the other name.
^^^
B:
I am saying that 2 years is a VERY reasonable time period. Although, I feel that after 2 years of being afk the player has no commitment to the game, and probably doesn't care about their name. Therefore, their name should be avaliable to other players, although if it isn't a popular name then they shouldn't worry. This is mainly so people don't have "Garret767" when "Garret" has been offline for 5 years XD (not actual scenerio).
Also, I am kind of confused as to what you mean by "a lot of players have been the same for more than 2 years" could you elaborate? thank you :)
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Blank Elchea
70 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
Blank Elchea

Endaris wrote:

Tbh I very much appreciated that my account still existed with the same name after years.
Aside from that you got your facts wrong. It starts at 6 months and then 1 year protection per 500 plays across all gamemodes.

->
Time Played: 30 Hours Play Count: 1390 Time Until Name Expires: 3.28 Years
Time Played: 5 Hours Play Count: 336 Time Until Name Expires: 1.172 years
Time Played: 4 Minutes Play Count: 2 Time Until Name Expires: 6 months and 1.46 days

And imo anyone who spent 6670 plays on this game fucking deserves 13 years of usernameprotection as 103 hours is already a lot more than people spend on one game usually.
Aside from that usernames can be taken away through namechanges but also through new players registering with the name of an account that has its nameprotection expired.
I think adjustments could be made but generally speaking the system goes into the correct direction by protecting the names of players who invested a lot of time into the game.
A: Did you check these times? because a mod told me that my times were correct. IDK he could be wrong, in which case thank you for correcting my information.

B: In my post I was the player with 6670 plays, and I think that if in 2 years of me not logging on, anybody should be able to take my name. If I havn't logged on in two years I doubt I would care that much about my name in a game I don't play. Also, it's not like you are taking their rank away, which is why I think something like a name matters more to people who currently play, than to people who quit. Also, if your name isn't something generic that many people would want, you should have no worry of people taking it. Although, if your name is a name that many people would want, then I personally think that the people who still play deserve that name more than players who quit.
Outline
77 posts
Joined July 2015
Outline

AikoKonno wrote:

B: In my post I was the player with 6670 plays, and I think that if in 2 years of me not logging on, anybody should be able to take my name. If I havn't logged on in two years I doubt I would care that much about my name in a game I don't play. Also, it's not like you are taking their rank away, which is why I think something like a name matters more to people who currently play, than to people who quit. Also, if your name isn't something generic that many people would want, you should have no worry of people taking it. Although, if your name is a name that many people would want, then I personally think that the people who still play deserve that name more than players who quit.


The problem is that not everyone is like you, and some people might get very angry at the fact that they lost their name. I would be pretty angry if somebody took mine but considering how many plays I have, osu might not be around by the time my timer is done. Some people actually do care about their usernames and if they were inactive but also aware of the rules, waiting to come back at a later date, they would get a little angry at any sudden changes.
Blank Elchea
70 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
Blank Elchea

Outline wrote:

The problem is that not everyone is like you, and some people might get very angry at the fact that they lost their name. I would be pretty angry if somebody took mine but considering how many plays I have, osu might not be around by the time my timer is done. Some people actually do care about their usernames and if they were inactive but also aware of the rules, waiting to come back at a later date, they would get a little angry at any sudden changes.
That's exactly my point. I'm not saying that we should make it so everybody loses their name in 2 years... but If I can play for 100 hours and keep my name for over a decade... I feel like that might be a little lengthy of a time period, especially since that means I don't play anymore.

Also, there is a simple fix if it was made into two years. Log on one time within a two year period. That way you can keep your name, while all of the players that quit don't keep their name for another 5-10 years. XD

For example, if you with 11,000 plays would only keep your name for 5 years, would you be okay with that? Because if a player hasn't logged in ONCE in 5 years, I feel like the player no longer cares at all about osu
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris
I think I'm a good example for someone who cared for his name after 5 years.
Sure, I actually did login once or twice inbetween but fact is that I never uninstalled osu! in all these years because I had back in my head that it's a cool game and that I might wanna start playing again at some point.


Also look at it from a different perspective.
Let's say you made yourself a name within the community and then quit the game for a longer amount of time because let's say you have to fulfill army duties which is not so rare to happen among korean players (see Dungeon or sayonara-bye for example).
You don't even have to be a top player, let's say you contributed a lot to the forums or the wiki so that you are someone who is known to coreplayers of the community even 2 years after you quit. This guy for example: https://osu.ppy.sh/u/MoonShade
It would absolutely suck if someone could just take their names away even though they are known personalities within the community.
Or Larto: https://osu.ppy.sh/u/Larto
Like wow, it would be such a sacrilege if someone could just name himself Larto just because he quit the game 4 years ago. Even if Larto himself might not care about the game anymore, people still care about him and his contributions to the game.

Really dude.
First come, first serve. What's the point if a newbie registers and takes away the name of a seasoned user with 20000 plays who quit 2 years ago and then quits himself after 1 hour of playtime? None. Absolutely none. And the chance that this would happen in the majority of cases is very high.
There's no value in catering to new players like that.
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,407 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan
Highly disagree with this idea.

Generally the current process how and when you could claim the name of someone else is pretty inconsistent and seems not to work always. I really hate the idea of taking someone's name because they went inactive. I mean, who comes first serves first, and you should deal with it. The only exception I personally would accept (if I was on peppy's position to make decision) would be an inactivity of five years and contributing very little to zero into this game. So old users like Larto and MoonShade (taking these examples of Endaris) would still be saved even after years.

How much you've played also doesn't tells or justifies the "protection" of a name. While others never play Standard but other game modes their names can technically be claimed iirc.
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris

Stefan wrote:

How much you've played also doesn't tells or justifies the "protection" of a name. While others never play Standard but other game modes their names can technically be claimed iirc.
Nope, it's explicitly stated as 500 plays per year across all gamemodes in the wiki.
Crowie
osu!artist
328 posts
Joined August 2015
Crowie
how about make it possible to deactivate your own account so your name will be available to others after you're certain you've lost interest in the game?
Pawsu
osu! Alumni
5,213 posts
Joined February 2013
Pawsu

Crowie wrote:

how about make it possible to deactivate your own account so your name will be available to others after you're certain you've lost interest in the game?
Well, I don't think this is will happen, it's very unlikely.
Blank Elchea
70 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
Blank Elchea
Thank you everyone for posting your thoughts and ideas. I generally feel that the community dissagrees on this point, and that it probably isn't major enough for a change. I still stand by my opinion, although it may take a few more years before this becomes a real problem in the osu community, at least a big enough one to change it.

~Yuuki Konno
AKA: Aiko Konno
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