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Cascada - Why You Had To Leave (Nightcore Mix)

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Topic Starter
VINXIS
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on February 24, 2018 at 12:29:29 PM

Artist: Cascada
Title: Why You Had To Leave (Nightcore Mix)
Tags: sped up night core Asphyxia Kaifin VINXIS it's hard believe
BPM: 153.62
Filesize: 4528kb
Play Time: 02:06
Difficulties Available:
  1. About a Tragic Love (4.77 stars, 515 notes)
  2. Advanced (2.92 stars, 272 notes)
  3. Asphyxia's Hard (3.66 stars, 384 notes)
  4. Kaifin's Insane (4.03 stars, 401 notes)
  5. Normal (1.86 stars, 181 notes)
Download: Cascada - Why You Had To Leave (Nightcore Mix)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Rate this beatmap here: https://omdb.nyahh.net/mapset/463866

saw that imany nightcore remix and i got so much cancer decided to revive this and rank it

play kaifin's diff not the top diff thx

timing by Charles445 Lol
Asphyxia
:D
ac8129464363
stop
stop
stop
stop
STOP
A r M i N
Nightcore pls
Kaifin
where the fuck are your parents
pregnant_man

deetz wrote:

stop
stop
stop
stop
STOP
insulting asphyxia
uzzi
im pretty sure this song is by "Nightcore", not a nightcore mix rofl.
-Nya-
Hey~ M4M from in-game. Here's my map again: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/439104

About a Tragic Love:
  1. You can uncheck widescreen support
  2. 00:02:311 (2) – (head), 00:02:702 (3,5) -, 00:03:483 (1) – (head) etc. – There are soft thump sounds here and I suggest using a hitsound to emphasize them. Perhaps this: http://puu.sh/pmgCG/41dabf543d.wav or http://puu.sh/pmgDy/7ae1e195c2.wav or http://puu.sh/pmgEi/2d3a4a9665.wav
  3. 00:06:998 (2) –(head), 00:07:779 (5) -, 00:08:561 (2) –(head), etc. – There are sounds here as well that sound like claps, and they are pretty audible, so I highly suggest you use a clap hitsound here. I guess it will be good to use the default clap. Remember that you’ll then have to add these to all the diffs.
  4. I see now you already have a custom hitsound that you’re using for the claps, but I think you then have to use that in the previous part of the song as well.
  5. 00:27:699 (5) –Maybe move the tail of this slider a bit to the left (you can maybe lower it as well) for better flow.
  6. 00:29:261 (5,6) –Unstack this one like you did here: 00:32:386 (5,6) – Just for consistency.
  7. 01:13:397 (6,1) –Try to avoid this overlap maybe. It looks a bit unnecessary to me.
  8. 01:18:474 (1) –Ctrl+G this slider so that the flow doesn’t go the same way as here: 01:17:693 (4) –
  9. 01:36:050 – to 01:38:394 – Hmm, I’m not sure why this section is empty since I can still hear beats in the background that can be mapped. Even if you just add single hitcircles that would be enough.

Good diff. There’s still just a few places where I left hitsounds can be added, especially after the first break; here: 01:10:663 (1,2) –(head), 01:11:444 (3,5) – etc. That sound is pretty loud and adding a hitsound there would be great.

Another thing that bothered me a bit was some of the overlaps that I felt was unnecessary (very subjective), so basically I think the diff can be a bit neater. But overall, it looks nice.

Asphyxia's Hard:
  1. Check out the diff above, the second bullet where I mentioned the hitsounds. They can be added here as well. Third bullet as well.
  2. 00:10:123 (5) –I would place this slider like this for better flow:
  3. 00:13:638 (3) –Place NC here for consistency with the previous NC’s
  4. 00:15:982 –This beat is very audible and then rather important, so mapping that sound out would be better than mapping the vocal imo. So try something like this:
    So either just circles, or a slider and a circle, or a circle and a slider. Up to you.
  5. 00:19:692 (4) -^, there’s a beat in the middle of that slider that sounds important. There are other places as well (after the kiai especially) where the same happens.
  6. 00:30:042 (1,2,3) –See, in this case, it’s fine to ignore the beats in the middle of the slider and follow the vocals since the vocals are stronger.
  7. 00:37:854 (1) –I suggest rather ending this slider on the red tick; here: 00:38:831 – because ending it on the blue tick with a circle that follows right after is a bit tricky for the player imo and will fit better in an Insane diff imo.
  8. 01:40:737 (1) -^

Great diff. I guess it’s just the hitsounds that can still be improved like I had mentioned in VINXIS’ diff.
Normal:
  1. The current AR of 5 is too big for the easiest diff. I remember one of my maps got DQ’ed because of this, so rather lower the AR to 4.
  2. The combo colours are different in this diff, but I guess you’re aware of that.
  3. 00:11:685 –Hm, this beat is rather loud and I would want to click something there because of it, so I suggest placing a circle there to support that beat.
  4. 00:13:248 -^
  5. 00:15:982 (4,1) –Uhh, this overlap. It would require a bit of rearranging to fix it so it’s up to you, but I usually discourage unnecessary overlaps, especially in the easiest diff.
  6. 00:39:026 (1) –Remove NC here.
  7. 01:24:724 (1,1) –You can stack here.
  8. 01:38:784 (1,1) –I am not sure if this reaction time is alright. I will check with a QAT or BN member if I was you, just to make sure.

Good diff as well. Just the hitsounds that can be improved a bit like in your other diff.

I am also not a 100% sure if the gap between the Hard and Normal is fine, since the Hard has a lot of triples and the Normal can be a bit harder to accommodate those triples. (The small repeat sliders are not enough imo) Of course this is my own opinion but I think you should check with someone else.

Overall:

I would personally get another Insane, since the gap between the Hard and the last diff feels a bit rockety to me. The reason is because the most difficult difficulty has very large spacings, almost everywhere, making it look like a diff that has to come after another Insane diff. Again, just my personal opinion, but I feel it’s something you should look in to.

Good Luck~! :D
Topic Starter
VINXIS
guna mod ur map 2day
Kaifin

-Nya- wrote:

Overall:

I would personally get another Insane, since the gap between the Hard and the last diff feels a bit rockety to me. The reason is because the most difficult difficulty has very large spacings, almost everywhere, making it look like a diff that has to come after another Insane diff. Again, just my personal opinion, but I feel it’s something you should look in to.
hey
Topic Starter
VINXIS
hitosudns: ill do themn latr fuk im 2 lazy rn ; / // / / /

top diff:
00:27:699 (5) - any mor angled and it starts looking p shit 2 me tb h
01:13:397 (6,1) - A E S T HE T I C 01:12:616 (2,6,1) -
01:18:474 (1) - ctrlg ing that slider is RLLY weird for playability imo :L
01:36:050 - breakdown Xddd

normal:
ill do ar 4.5 cuz its still a normal u kno
00:15:982 (4,1) - imena its a normal and i lov overlap stax like these lo
01:24:724 (1,1) - but overlap stax r coolr Xd
01:38:784 (1,1) - sud b fine since its a nmormal but will do before i rank Xd
Kaifin
i want to die
Nyquill
WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME
Spaghetti
djs got us falling in love again
Akiyama Mizuki
normal
found nothing

hard
01:14:178 (1,2) - big distance song is not even that intense here
01:40:737 (1) - nc on 01:41:518 (2) - instead like you did at 00:39:026 (1) -
seriously though this is not hard diff it's light insane

insane
00:44:103 (1,2) - too small distance
slowdown sliders may be a bit too random, could be easily misread

high quality
01:40:347 (1) - not even at the center perfectly - _ -
01:51:088 ~ 01:54:408 - I don't really think these triple burst really fit the music, seems like a weird filler
02:03:586 ~ 02:04:953 - ^
high quality
Kaifin

bbj0920 wrote:

insane
00:44:103 (1,2) - too small distance i think is ok, it matches up with all the other ones, emphasis is on first note not second regardless of clap because of the rhythm
slowdown sliders may be a bit too random, could be easily misread is consistent, hard to sightread maybe but consistent
revurii

About a Tragic Love

  1. 00:15:982 (1,2) - Smaller spacing maybe
  2. 00:43:713 (5) - Ctrl + G
  3. 01:01:094 (6,7,1,2) - I think you should copy-paste this to 01:01:875 - just so it'd look better
  4. 01:14:569 (3,4) - Copy-paste the pattern from 01:13:787 (1,2) - into here for consistency
  5. 01:26:872 (3,4) - A bit smaller spacing maybe
  6. 01:29:411 (1,2,3,4,5) - Feels weird imo, something like this should work (Ctrl + H (1) from the same combo)
  7. 01:40:347 (1) - Center pls lo
  8. 01:46:205 (5) - Same as 00:43:713 (5) -
  9. 01:59:485 (2,3) - Ctrl + G

lol i suk
Topic Starter
VINXIS
bbj
gota stay consistent wit triplez Xddd
kouneu
00:15:982 (1,2) - thts fine tbh
01:14:569 (3,4) - i wud but it ruins the flo IMO
01:59:485 (2,3) - no i thikn wots ther plays muhc betr
Asphyxia

-Nya- wrote:

Asphyxia's Hard:
  1. Check out the diff above, the second bullet where I mentioned the hitsounds. They can be added here as well. Third bullet as well. I'll leave the hitsounds for VINXIS since I use his hitsounds
  2. 00:10:123 (5) –I would place this slider like this for better flow: Mmh, I like the current one more because it looks better and the current flow doesn't seem bad at all :<
  3. 00:13:638 (3) –Place NC here for consistency with the previous NC’s Reworked my NC's but I applied this while doing it
  4. 00:15:982 –This beat is very audible and then rather important, so mapping that sound out would be better than mapping the vocal imo. So try something like this: The suggestion is quite good, but that's not really what I was aiming for in this difficulty. Instead, my main focus was to follow vocals strictly, but never miss a clap. If I were to do this, concept would be kinda inconsistent and I don't like that. (same applies for every rhythm suggestion)
    So either just circles, or a slider and a circle, or a circle and a slider. Up to you.
  5. 00:19:692 (4) -^, there’s a beat in the middle of that slider that sounds important. There are other places as well (after the kiai especially) where the same happens.
  6. 00:30:042 (1,2,3) –See, in this case, it’s fine to ignore the beats in the middle of the slider and follow the vocals since the vocals are stronger.
  7. 00:37:854 (1) –I suggest rather ending this slider on the red tick; here: 00:38:831 – because ending it on the blue tick with a circle that follows right after is a bit tricky for the player imo and will fit better in an Insane diff imo. Sure fixed
  8. 01:40:737 (1) -^ fixed

bbj0920 wrote:

hard
01:14:178 (1,2) - big distance song is not even that intense here Fixed
01:40:737 (1) - nc on 01:41:518 (2) - instead like you did at 00:39:026 (1) - Woops, fixed, nice catch
seriously though this is not hard diff it's light insane
Thank you so much for the mods! :)
Xilver15
a

[About a Tragic Love]

00:03:874 (2) - should ctrl h+g instead of ctrl h+j to be consistent with last pattern
00:09:342 (4) - maaaan make this closer to all the other sliders pls https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5438948
00:23:403 (7) - should ctrlg this imo for better flow with that star
00:25:356 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - K
00:29:261 (5) - should curve this more to fit with the previous onesssss
00:32:386 (5) - ^ like that tbh
00:41:760 (5,6,7) - should move this more down imo that blanket's not worth it
01:15:350 (1,2,3,4,5) - 1-4 should be sliders imo if u wanna be consistent with the same rhythm at the start
01:27:848 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - K
01:38:784 (1) - idk thought 1 and 2 would look consistent with the rest of the map if they were more curved

[Kaifinsane]

all these ncs holy

I actually have nothing to say LOL good job, i like your SV usage

[Asphyxia's Hard]

im scared

00:04:460 (4,5,6,4,5) - imo you should change this rhythm to make the tall white tick clickable
00:55:040 (1) - idk thought this would be nicer since it fits the curve of 10 better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5439050
01:01:875 (2) - should ctrlg this imo, this type of movement is consistent with all your other ones but the spacing is too big compared to all the others
01:22:185 (7,8,9) - thought this rhythm would be better, it'd make the tall white tick clickable too http://puu.sh/pAqp9/92fbf1cfd2.jpg
01:37:417 (4) - add note?
01:51:283 (1,2) - why not do this like u did before https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5439067
02:03:781 (1,2) - ^especially since u did this too on the second part

honestly i thought i would have nothing to say about this diff so take my mod with a grain of salt

[Normal]

CUSTOM COMBO COLORS

00:06:608 (3,4) - idk kinda weird these 2 curves are different but w.e lo
00:26:918 (1,2) - space these out more pls there's such a huge gap in the timeline holy
00:28:480 (1,2,1,2) - WHY ARE THESE SO DIFFERENT SPACING
01:16:521 (1) - just me but i'd nc this one instead of the one after that
01:20:037 (1,2) - should curve these more for consistency imo
01:25:505 (3) - same^
01:48:158 (1,2) - should keep these further from 01:47:377 (2) -

didn't know you can break DS on normals XDD

yehaj
Topic Starter
VINXIS
xlvr
normal
00:28:480 (1,2,1,2) - cuz ur lookgin at it weirdli.. wot te fuk 00:26:918 (1,2,1,2) -
01:16:521 (7) - ncing this 1 is a triggr.


top dif
00:23:403 (7) - but ur moving left anywy wgh
00:25:356 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - shitmapping 2 shit song Cx
01:15:350 (1,2,3,4,5) - thts the start this is nwo.
01:27:848 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - shitmapping 2 shit song Cx
01:38:784 (1) - new day new pattrn Xd

K
Asphyxia

Xilver wrote:

[Asphyxia's Hard]

im scared

00:04:460 (4,5,6,4,5) - imo you should change this rhythm to make the tall white tick clickable I stated in my previous post that even though these kind of suggestions are good, that's not what I wanted to do with my difficulty. My goal was to follow vocals strictly, without missing a clap in-between
00:55:040 (1) - idk thought this would be nicer since it fits the curve of 10 better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5439050 I rotated the slider a bit, should be fine now
01:01:875 (2) - should ctrlg this imo, this type of movement is consistent with all your other ones but the spacing is too big compared to all the others Just a slider, spacing should be easy to hit but fixed regardless
01:22:185 (7,8,9) - thought this rhythm would be better, it'd make the tall white tick clickable too http://puu.sh/pAqp9/92fbf1cfd2.jpg ^
01:37:417 (4) - add note? Do you mean the spot you linked or the white tick next to it? Since I'd understand the white tick note, but the red one is just meh... will see
01:51:283 (1,2) - why not do this like u did before https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5439067 it's called variation but sure fixed
02:03:781 (1,2) - ^especially since u did this too on the second part

honestly i thought i would have nothing to say about this diff so take my mod with a grain of salt
Thank you Xilver! http://puu.sh/pACTq/eb3d91de6a.txt
strickluke
nightcore is trash
Topic Starter
VINXIS
no >: /
Senko-san
!!
allein
here we go nc Lol
Kaifin
small self modding changes before bn check :)

coffin
osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 39221
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.3
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[Metadata]
Title:Why You Had To Leave (Nightcore Mix)
TitleUnicode:Why You Had To Leave (Nightcore Mix)
Artist:Cascada
ArtistUnicode:Cascada
Creator:VINXIS
Version:Kaifinsane
Source:
Tags:sped up night core Asphyxia Kaifin shit it's hard believe
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Topic Starter
VINXIS
ok update d
hi-mei
can i make a gd
ZekeyHache
^ No

[General]
  1. Any reason to use that negative offset? You can just set it as 358 or 1921 :/
[Normal]
  1. 00:15:591 (3,4) - This blanket can be improved
  2. 01:35:660 (1) - Here the vocals are more dominant since the music's volume went down. So I highly suggest a 3/2 slider cuz right now feels awkward to follow imo. Also, a 1/1 slider afterwards to follow the music would be nice too. https://puu.sh/vouZp/54fbc0e2a8.png
  3. 01:54:408 - Did you just... shamelessly copied half of the first chorus? lol When you do this stuff you should rotate or flip the patterns somehow so players don't end up playing the exact patterns again. So please, do something like that or remap it~
[Asphyxia's Hard]
  1. 01:35:652 - & 01:40:533 - are unsnapped
  2. 00:22:621 (3,4) - 00:46:056 (3,4) - 01:52:845 (1,2) - 01:58:118 (2,3) - The stacks are not perfect, but they can be
I like those repetition patterns you did when the vocals loop <3

[Kaifinsane]
  1. 00:39:416 (2,3) - The blanket can be improved
  2. 01:48:549 (1) - The score overlaps in 4:3 resolutions, if you care~ https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7862071
  3. 02:06:906 - Would you mind adding one more note here with whistle and finish like in every other diff?
Fun to play with all those sv changes, it must have taken you lots of time~

Absolutely nothing bothered me on the highest diff, so that's it :p

My set: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/534813
You can just take a look at 3 or 4 diffs if you want~
that extra you see there is the first one I've mapped, so it may be a disaster ;w; don't bother much about it

Feel free to call me back~
Kaifin

Big Cat wrote:

[Kaifinsane]
  1. 00:39:416 (2,3) - The blanket can be improved fixed
  2. 01:48:549 (1) - The score overlaps in 4:3 resolutions, if you care~ https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7862071 imo this is small enough overlap not to matter to me
  3. 02:06:906 - Would you mind adding one more note here with whistle and finish like in every other diff? made the last note to a slider so the crash is there, i can make it a note if you want but i hear 2 notes here instead of 3 so i don't really want to make it clickable if thats ok
Fun to play with all those sv changes, it must have taken you lots of time~
thank you for the mod!

coffin
osu file format v14

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Asphyxia
Fixed everything, though I'm pretty sure those stacks will get ruined because that's how stacks are :b

Thanks for mod!
Topic Starter
VINXIS
FUK LOL

ok cahnged stuff up in th elast half of the last kiai in normal

not changing offset cuz no reason 2 change it anywy who carez Xd

update d
ZekeyHache
u guys r damn fast

Bubbled~

Topic Starter
VINXIS
hel ya boi


thx fam
Natsu
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General

  1. Kaifinsane needs to be renamed to Kaifin's Insane, I talked with other nominators and QATs about this.
  2. Why do you need a negative offset??

tragic something

  1. 00:35:315 (5,7,8,9) - the stack leniency of the triplet makes an uneven stack.
  2. 01:50:502 (4,6,7,1) - ^
  3. 01:52:259 (6,2,3,4) - ^
Insane

  1. 00:01:921 (1,2,3,4) - about the overlaps in this diff, I had a discussion with other BNs and QATs, while the minory saids it's fine, the
    majority says isn't fine, because the slider patch is almost hidden completely, I had a few people to test the map (people supposed to play this lvl of difficulty) and most of them missread the overlaps. I'll be honest, probably you can find someone who agree with this, but I personally don't, since I firmely believe that those overlaps hurts the readability alot.
    I can agree with something like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7997539

  2. 00:28:675 (1,1) - the sv changes are also really tricky to read, maybe do some kind of color hack or change the slider shape of them? the main problem is that the slow sliders looks visually the same as the fast ones.
  3. 00:39:709 (3) - okay the other problem is the rhythm, I don't get what are you trying to follow 00:39:709 (3) - 00:44:689 (3) - etc, they aren't follow the vocals or the more prominent sounds, but ignoring them, idk if you do that for the sake of the patterns, but it doesn't work rhythmically talking, there are more btw
  4. 00:23:012 (1,2) - what happen with the spacing? the sound at 2 is the same as other parts where the spacing was bigger, for example 00:24:184 (2) - etc.
  5. 00:39:221 (1,2) - the NC should be at 2, I understand the vocal thing, but starting the kiai without a NC is weird. 01:41:714 (1,2) - Same
popping over the bolded things, feel free to catch me in game if you want to discuss something
Topic Starter
VINXIS
i alrdy knew the stax do tht but i changed them anyway cuz ur write its ugly

didnt change negative offset cuz no reason 2 cahnge it anyway not worth D effort >: ///////


Waiting4Kaifin
Kaifin

Natsu wrote:

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General

  1. Kaifinsane needs to be renamed to Kaifin's Insane, I talked with other nominators and QATs about this. can i get some reasoning for why this isn't okay but stuff like bbHard and Another445 are fine? i can capitalize the I if you think that would make it clearer but i see no reason why this is any different than those cases
  2. Why do you need a negative offset??
Insane

  1. 00:01:921 (1,2,3,4) - about the overlaps in this diff, I had a discussion with other BNs and QATs, while the minory saids it's fine, the
    majority says isn't fine, because the slider patch is almost hidden completely, I had a few people to test the map (people supposed to play this lvl of difficulty) and most of them missread the overlaps. I'll be honest, probably you can find someone who agree with this, but I personally don't, since I firmely believe that those overlaps hurts the readability alot. this is the introduction of the gimmick that is used throughout the entire map: if the player does not understand on sightread they will literally retry the map and go OH that's how it works! then they will be set to play the rest of the map because the same gimmick is used throughout the whole thing, the map is BASED around the gimmick and changing it at the start especially would make it unfair when it is used later
    I can agree with something like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7997539

  2. 00:28:675 (1,1) - the sv changes are also really tricky to read, maybe do some kind of color hack or change the slider shape of them? the main problem is that the slow sliders looks visually the same as the fast ones. if you notice that the notes are NC'd differently, this is the "colour hax" that you are suggesting to make this readable, having them be in the exact same place with the exact same shape is what gives these notes their special emphasis that goes with the song's repeated theme, and it's perfectly readable
  3. 00:39:709 (3) - okay the other problem is the rhythm, I don't get what are you trying to follow 00:39:709 (3) - 00:44:689 (3) - etc, they aren't follow the vocals or the more prominent sounds, but ignoring them, idk if you do that for the sake of the patterns, but it doesn't work rhythmically talking, there are more btw this was the rhythm i was trying to follow but like it's not exactly this snap but not snapped on the white tick either?? i think this current rhythm is the closest i can get to the vocal while still having it be playable, thats what i'm trying to follow but the right snap for the vocal would be having the note start on 00:39:758 - which would make the pattern unnecessarily complicated to read and play in my opinion, i would consider snapping it to the blue tick here as simplification rather than ignoring the song when it's very clear to the player that it's following the vocals, plus the slider leniency means that this snap just makes it easier to play for the player, but i can see the justification behind your point: you should take a closer listen if you don't get what i'm following though hopefully the picture helps explain it
  4. 00:23:012 (1,2) - what happen with the spacing? the sound at 2 is the same as other parts where the spacing was bigger, for example 00:24:184 (2) - etc. compare the spacing of this object to the spacing of 00:16:763 (1,2) - and 00:19:887 (1,2) - , 00:19:887 (1,2) - literally is the same spacing because it's copy pasted in a square..... the spacing is lower for more emphasis on the flow, how it flows through without the repeat, it's a good feeling and it gives more than enough emphasis after the repeated jumps, if i buffed the spacing it would feel awkward and unnatural for the player
  5. 00:39:221 (1,2) - the NC should be at 2, I understand the vocal thing, but starting the kiai without a NC is weird. 01:41:714 (1,2) - Same
it's fine to me: NCing twice would look weird and not NCing 00:39:221 (1) - at all would look even weirder, so it really cant be NC'd any other way

popping over the bolded things, feel free to catch me in game if you want to discuss somethingnone of these issues are unrankable unless you have any other justification or reply to my response: the main issue honestly is an issue of spread, because my diff is more supplemental than spread friendly, but i think that the simplicity of the top diff makes it okay in my eyes
:?
Natsu

Kaifin wrote:

Natsu wrote:

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General

  1. Kaifinsane needs to be renamed to Kaifin's Insane, I talked with other nominators and QATs about this. can i get some reasoning for why this isn't okay but stuff like bbHard and Another445 are fine? i can capitalize the I if you think that would make it clearer but i see no reason why this is any different than those cases We are discussing your map not these 2015 maps, there is a clear difference with your examples and yours, Another445 bbHard , you don't add anythinf special with that kind of meme diff name, just call it Kaifin's Insane as any other GD do, here are the opinions of the other nominator/qats about it https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/TAljBSR.png
Insane

  1. 00:01:921 (1,2,3,4) - about the overlaps in this diff, I had a discussion with other BNs and QATs, while the minory saids it's fine, the
    majority says isn't fine, because the slider patch is almost hidden completely, I had a few people to test the map (people supposed to play this lvl of difficulty) and most of them missread the overlaps. I'll be honest, probably you can find someone who agree with this, but I personally don't, since I firmely believe that those overlaps hurts the readability alot. this is the introduction of the gimmick that is used throughout the entire map: if the player does not understand on sightread they will literally retry the map and go OH that's how it works! then they will be set to play the rest of the map because the same gimmick is used throughout the whole thing, the map is BASED around the gimmick and changing it at the start especially would make it unfair when it is used later
    I can agree with something like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7997539
    The later ones in the map work better, because the SV difference makes more notable the next slider (also take in consideration that the later ones aren't stacked next to each other), in the first set of sliders the overlaps just let you see a bit of the tail which is the problem, if you make the slider sizes a bit bigger from the previous ones that could work better
  2. 00:39:709 (3) - okay the other problem is the rhythm, I don't get what are you trying to follow 00:39:709 (3) - 00:44:689 (3) - etc, they aren't follow the vocals or the more prominent sounds, but ignoring them, idk if you do that for the sake of the patterns, but it doesn't work rhythmically talking, there are more btw oh SHIT u right fuck i thought the note was a 1/4 beat earlier my mistake sorry, fixing the patterns
  3. 00:39:221 (1,2) - the NC should be at 2, I understand the vocal thing, but starting the kiai without a NC is weird. 01:41:714 (1,2) - Same
it's fine to me: NCing twice would look weird and not NCing 00:39:221 (1) - at all would look even weirder, so it really cant be NC'd any other way it's still weird lol, but I guess I do some weird comboing sometimes so I'd let it pass

popping over the bolded things, feel free to catch me in game if you want to discuss somethingnone of these issues are unrankable unless you have any other justification or reply to my response: the main issue honestly is an issue of spread, because my diff is more supplemental than spread friendly, but i think that the simplicity of the top diff makes it okay in my eyes BNs can pop over quality issues or 'subjective' problems to start a discussion and posible solution to these, the diff name, overlaps and the rhythms at your kiais are a enough reason for open a discussion about it
:?
Edit: I didn't notice that you edited your post, my problem with the rhythms are: 1 you're ignoring obvious strong sounds and mapping to tiny sounds at the blue ticks. 2 you're ignoring the vocals, what you hear starting previous the white tick is just her breath.
Kaifin
any conscious player will tell you that the sliders in the opening are fine, the target audience of this map is obviously higher than the star rating (as stated in the first reply) so don't let the SR influence your opinion on whether or not things are okay in the map

what is your suggestion for a fixed rhythm that follows the vocals? the vocal clearly does not begin on the white tick if you listen on 25% so either the timing is off (which i doubt it is) or it's snapped to the 1/8th tick. i can't abandon following the vocals because i'm following them the whole kiai, and i think that snapping it to the blue tick isn't even additive mapping or an overmap or ignoring the rhythm of the song, it's expressing the song in an easier to play and understand way

as for the diff name, that's not a big deal to change lol it's just a pun :( i said that i would capitalize the I in Insane, i'm not trying to be _edgy_ i just wanted to make a play on words zzz
Natsu

Kaifin wrote:

any conscious player will tell you that the sliders in the opening are fine, the target audience of this map is obviously higher than the star rating (as stated in the first reply) so don't let the SR influence your opinion on whether or not things are okay in the map by saying this, then you alone are saying that these kind of patterns doesn't fit the spread of the mapset, you can get more opinions from QATs to backup your point if you want, I already have opinions from some nominators and QATs who disagree with this, you are overlaping the slider body of each slider and the only we can see when playing is a tiny portion of the tail of the next one, it's that a circle?
00:08:170 (1,2,3,4) - this ones are fine, since they aren't stacked directly on each other, but 00:01:921 (1,2,3,4) - are not, I'm judging by the spread of the map and the readability of it, not by the sr.


what is your suggestion for a fixed rhythm that follows the vocals? the vocal clearly does not begin on the white tick if you listen on 25% so either the timing is off (which i doubt it is) or it's snapped to the 1/8th tick. i can't abandon following the vocals because i'm following them the whole kiai, and i think that snapping it to the blue tick isn't even additive mapping or an overmap or ignoring the rhythm of the song, it's expressing the song in an easier to play and understand way I'll make a detailed points

as for the diff name, that's not a big deal to change lol it's just a pun :( i said that i would capitalize the I in Insane, i'm not trying to be _edgy_ i just wanted to make a play on words zzz I'm not moving the map forward with that kind of diff name, for the reasons I explained before and the opinions I got from QATs and nominators
  1. Under your logic of mapping the breath instead of the actual word, this 00:39:416 (2) - shouldn't start at the white tick neither lol, anyways my suggestions:
  2. 00:39:709 (3) - as you state before the vocal isn't starting at the bluetick, but after it in 1/8, your excuse is simplification, but the white tick also work as a simplification and tbh the bluetick is empty, while the white tick has a strong sound on it, also if you listen the song at 100% the vocal makes a lot more sense in the white tick than in the empty blue one.
  3. 00:40:002 (1) - why the NC, there are no SV changes and isn't neither a stanza. This happens a lot, I understand the ones at the SV changes, but the ones withot SV are not necessary, also they are inconsistent 01:42:495 (4) - vs 00:40:002 (1) -
  4. 00:40:783 (1,2) - skipping the white ticks which have a strong sounds to extend the slider at the blue tick isn't a smart idea, I get you want to follow the vocal sound, but playing these sliders over strong sounds is super weird, mostly when nightcore songs are based on these kind of sounds.
  5. 00:41:565 (1) - why are some vocals mapped with a 1/4 slider while others don't 00:42:346 (4) - the hold in the vocal is basically the same
  6. 00:45:470 (1) - a 1/2 slider and a circle would fit the vocals better, since you are mapping each vocal as an active beat.
  7. 00:52:208 (2) - exactly the same as 00:39:709 (3) -
  8. 00:56:407 (1,2,3) - the vocals actually ends before the blueticks, makes more sense to snap the slider tails to the strong sounds at the white ticks than extend them to the non importants blue ticks, oh btw you are following vocals no? 00:57:188 (3) - why the slider is ignoring the vocal at the white tick?
  9. 00:57:969 (1) - I think a 1/2 slider and a circle would work better, since the vocals are click'ables no?
  10. 01:18:865 (1) - 01:22:380 (1) - etc, if you are following vocals why isn't the vocal click'able? I like the current' rhythm, just your following vocals excuse gets inconsistent, I mean you're mapping at nothing before with the vocal excuse, but here you're ignoring the vocals.
  11. 01:42:202 (3) - exactly the same as 00:39:709 (3) -,
  12. 01:54:701 (2) - same as above
  13. more inconsistent NCs 01:43:276 (1,1) - vs 00:40:783 (1,2) -
  14. 00:42:932 (1,2) - vs 01:45:424 (2,3) -
  15. 01:47:572 (1) - 00:45:080 (4) -
  16. 01:54:993 (3) - 00:52:501 (1) -
  17. 00:53:087 (1) - 01:55:579 (2) -
  18. 00:55:430 (1) - 01:57:923 (2) -
  19. 00:57:578 (4) - 02:00:070 (1) -
  20. 00:58:555 (1) - 02:01:047 (2) -
  21. 01:59:680 (3) - why are you ignoring the vocal at the white tick?
Kaifin
i addressed all points in mod + i agreed about the bolded reasons after talking it over in irc

IRC
20:21 Natsu: the kiai rhythms are 4 places only and the NCs being different at each kiai don't take more than 10 mins to be fixed
20:21 Natsu: about the overlaps i can let them pass tho
20:23 Kaifin: there are a lot more suggestions than just that
20:24 Natsu: they are mostly NCs
20:24 Natsu: tbh are just ncs that u used at 1 kiai and u didnt used at the second one
20:26 Kaifin: i can fix the ncs
20:26 Kaifin: but i have no clue how to fix patterns like00:51:915 (1,2) -
20:26 Kaifin: 00:40:783 - stuff like this skipping the white ticks i think is okay because people aren't listening to the 1/1 drum beat thats going through the whole song, the vocals are much more emphasized
20:28 Natsu: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8002744
20:28 Kaifin: 00:57:188 (3) - this slider is not ignoring the vocal, i think that having 00:57:188 (3,4) - instead of extending the slider gives the vocal more emphasis, plus plays way better as a pattern of 00:57:188 (3,4,5) -
20:29 Kaifin: 00:57:969 (1) - this sounds more held to me than clickable sounding but that is just me
20:29 Kaifin: and for the not following vocals outside the kiai
20:30 Kaifin: i follow drums during the verse sections consistently
20:30 Kaifin: i can do that rhythm you suggested for the 4 patterns
20:30 Natsu: if you make the NCs consistent (at your way at both kiais) and u fix the 00:39:709 (3) - 00:52:208 (2) - 01:42:202 (3) - 01:54:701 (2) -
20:30 Natsu: i'd be fine with this
20:30 Kaifin: and if you really want i can make the sliders slightly stacked
20:30 Kaifin: so that its clearer
20:30 Kaifin: i just think its way cooler the way it is
20:31 Natsu: I also think is cool
20:32 Natsu: but mmm there were many people complaining at bn chat
20:32 Natsu: if you want we can try to keep it like that
20:32 Kaifin: i'd rather not get the map dq'd
20:33 Kaifin: i know people who would try and dq the map because of it so i might as well change
20:33 Kaifin: its small change anyways
20:34 Natsu: mmm tbh
20:34 Natsu: my point of questioning u much
20:34 Natsu: is that u gave me all your reasons in thread so people don't complain about these things later
20:36 Kaifin: it has been a frustrating week
20:36 Kaifin: sorry for being too apprehensive to change
20:37 Natsu: that's fine, I has been in the same situation and I actually removed my diff from the set lol
20:37 Natsu: that's why I don't want the same happen here
20:41 Kaifin: i appreciate it
20:42 Kaifin: i will fix the stuff and post the log so that the explanations are there
20:48 Kaifin: omar is afk so can i osz you the changes
20:48 Kaifin: to see if they are okay
20:49 Natsu: sure
20:49 Kaifin: okay i just need to finish the last 2 patterns
20:49 Natsu: i'll sleep soon tho, is 5 am in italy xDDD
20:49 Kaifin: o wow

kaifanother
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Natsu
we discussed a bit more in IRC, get Ezek to rebub and call me for Qualify
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VINXIS
okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
ZekeyHache
tags conflict, check aimod pls


call me back~
Kaifin
ZekeyHache

Kaifin wrote:

I hope not anymore sometime soon :3
ZekeyHache
cya o/
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