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Celldweller - End of an Empire

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Skellen
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on niedziela, 3 lipca 2016 at 02:32:46

Artist: Celldweller
Title: End of an Empire
BPM: 87,5
Filesize: 7365kb
Play Time: 07:29
Difficulties Available:
  1. Downfall (6,18 stars, 1800 notes)
Download: Celldweller - End of an Empire
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Touhou
[In game mod]
13:23 Touhou: hey
13:23 Touhou: i'll take a look at it if you like
13:23 Touhou: send map
13:24 *Skellen is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/980061 Celldweller - End of an Empire]
13:24 Skellen: thanks
13:31 Touhou: try 274 offset
13:31 Touhou: seems better
13:31 Touhou: ok let's start at the intro
13:31 Touhou: slider art is nice
13:32 Touhou: the point of slider art is to be unique and nice to look at
13:32 Touhou: while establishing a smooth connection with each slider
13:32 Touhou: if you take a look at the first 2 sliders you can see an overlap
13:32 Touhou: http://puu.sh/p4xcD/1a9a57b9c7.jpg
13:33 Touhou: pretty much all sliders overlapp with each other
13:33 Skellen: I was going to fix those sliders but never really got into it
13:33 Touhou: when you make turns in your long sliders, make it so that they're rational
13:33 Touhou: meaning, only make turns when the music changes
13:34 Touhou: or atleast on slider ticks etc
13:34 Touhou: this slider turn here is pretty random
13:34 Touhou: it's after the slider tick
13:34 Touhou: and feels out of place
13:34 Touhou: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5233753
13:34 Touhou: the previous sliders had that too
13:34 Touhou: also, make their endings consistent
13:35 Touhou: some end earlier than others
13:35 Touhou: that's annoying
13:35 Touhou: 00:23:245 (3) - why is this slider not snapped?
13:36 Touhou: 00:25:302 (2) - could be a nice long slider FIREEEEE
13:36 Touhou: 00:33:531 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is good imo
13:36 Touhou: 00:44:159 (1) - if you want to make this intro a bit more dramatic
13:36 Touhou: make it single circles with CLOSE spacing, almost stacked
13:37 Touhou: 00:44:159 (1) - < jump
13:37 Touhou: 00:46:902 (1) - < almost stacked again
13:37 Touhou: 00:57:874 (4) - you have a lot of unsnapped slider endings
13:38 Touhou: sliders are two connected circles, the start should have more weigth but the second shouldn't be ignored
13:39 Touhou: 01:43:651 (5,6) - slider starts on blue tick
13:39 Touhou: listen to the song at 25% carefully
13:39 Touhou: you miss a lot of triplets
13:40 Touhou: 01:45:537 (3,4,5,6) - the streams are not 1/6
13:40 Touhou: they're 1/8
13:40 Touhou: (map on the yellow tick)
13:40 Touhou: press the top at the left side of the screen afew times
13:40 Touhou: then play at 25% speed
13:40 Touhou: to see the exact timing
13:41 Touhou: 06:10:565 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - make the first 4 circles slow and close
13:41 Touhou: then slowly increase the distance for the loud part
13:42 Touhou: it needs to build up and not to be at maximum
13:42 Touhou: the builup is for 06:13:308 (1) -
13:42 Touhou: 02:45:537 (1) - clickable object
13:43 Touhou: the slider end it too loud, needs to be clickable
13:43 Touhou: 02:46:222 (4,5,6) - stream mistake again, not 1/6 but 1/8
13:44 Touhou: a thing about the kiai: the kiai should be at the most intense parts of the song
13:44 Touhou: 03:50:680 (1) - this should be a kiai start
13:44 Touhou: 03:23:337 (6) - this isn't really worth having as kiai compared to the next part
13:45 Touhou: the kiai highlights a part of the map
13:45 Touhou: and i think it fits the best on the louder part
13:46 Touhou: btw: set the BPM to 175 and not 87.50
13:46 Touhou: that makes everything easier
13:46 Touhou: and the streams can be in 1/4 instead of 1/8
13:47 Touhou: 07:18:451 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - streams too spaced
13:47 Touhou: 02:51:137 (2,3,4,5) - listen at 25% and fix please
13:48 Touhou: the mistakes keep repeating now, I'll stop here and mod further once you fixed all that
13:48 Skellen: oke
13:49 Touhou: General advice: try to map to the song
13:49 Touhou: and not for difficulty
13:50 Touhou: difficulty should be the result of a well executed visualization of the song
HiPat
Nice beatmap mate <3
cheesiest
kogasa sent me to fill in for him

in general you should double the BPM (and halve the SV if you do so so that your sliders dont become half as long as they were)

hp 7

tbh your sliders are excrutiatingly slow and imo you should've raised the SV throughout the map at least but changing it would mean a complete remap so i understand not
wanting to change it at this point in time

also im not sure i get your jumps throughout the song but especially at the last kiai (and also its introduction of 1/8 sliders)

imo your kiai placements are backwards but oh well

00:00:274 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - it feels like generally in the beginning you wanted bends to happen at like parts of the msuic so what you can do is move the slider nodes so that they like have the slider bend at the part of the music you wanna make them bend. you can use the left or right buttons to move to where you want the bend to be in the music and check if the slider bends there by seeing if the ball is like at the bend

00:22:559 (1) - i know 1 is (nearly) directly under the slider path of 00:19:474 (1) - but perhaps move it else where? i figure its mostly up to you, especially considering that you'd maybe also have to arrange some other stuff afterwards

00:28:045 (1) - 00:39:016 (1) - 00:52:731 (2) - choose one slider length to stick to here

01:09:874 (5) - i think you should really make this 1/4 long and then have a circle where it originally ends since like It's Not Fitting the Song's Beatpatterning

01:11:588 (1) - from here to 01:14:331 (1) - here, theres a lot of space for 1/8 to be put (also why is it spaced when most of the sliders are super slow)

01:17:759 (1) - all the streams like this in this section of the song feel like they're put 1/4 too late

01:42:702 (6) - i think you could do without this one

01:45:531 (3) - this stream is placed well

01:46:731 (3) - you should really consider making this two separate circles especially since the lead into the 1/8 after it is very weird and the slider here doesnt fit with beatpatterning (which is also why the 1/8 after it is placed weirdly)

01:56:502 (5) - 1/6? why? im not sure i hear it

01:57:788 (8) - this maybe could be removed and also change 01:57:874 (9) - to a stream that goes to 01:58:216 (1) -

02:11:245 (5) - you pprobably shouldnt start a kiai with the end of a slider since you dont click the end of a slider. what you could do is make the slider 1/4 shorter and then put
a circle at the start of the kiai. although tbh the kiai position here is like weird imo wrt the song

also i dont get most of the 1/8 at all from the beginning of the kiai to 02:36:445 (10) - . afterwards seems alright but in between theres no discernable 1/8 sounds on most of what you've mapped here. this also applies to the next kiai, but the next kiai i think doesnt map as much invisible 1/8

03:17:759 (2) - delete this and move 03:18:102 (3,4,5,6,7) - to where (2) was otherwise its just awkward and is placed wrong in the music. then fill in the space thats after it

03:51:359 (3) - same problem as before with the streams starting 1/4 too late. this occurs consistently throughout the whole section so im not gonna point all of them out

04:12:616 (1) - same thing as i pointed out in the beginning

the rest of the map seems to mirror many other stuff i pointed out in the mod; the section after the last kiai has 1/8 placed technically correctly since they're not in pairs of 5 starting where they are, but if you decide to mod in the suggestions i gave for the sections that are similar to it, you could put a 1/8 before those pairs of 3 in the section after the last kiai, that'd be cool for consistency.
Topic Starter
Skellen

cheesiest wrote:

kogasa sent me to fill in for him

in general you should double the BPM (and halve the SV if you do so so that your sliders dont become half as long as they were) I'm too lazy

hp 7 Applied

tbh your sliders are excrutiatingly slow and imo you should've raised the SV throughout the map at least but changing it would mean a complete remap so i understand not
wanting to change it at this point in time I know i should but i'm lazy

also im not sure i get your jumps throughout the song but especially at the last kiai (and also its introduction of 1/8 sliders) I'm random :)

imo your kiai placements are backwards but oh well

00:00:274 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - it feels like generally in the beginning you wanted bends to happen at like parts of the msuic so what you can do is move the slider nodes so that they like have the slider bend at the part of the music you wanna make them bend. you can use the left or right buttons to move to where you want the bend to be in the music and check if the slider bends there by seeing if the ball is like at the bend Fixed a little

00:22:559 (1) - i know 1 is (nearly) directly under the slider path of 00:19:474 (1) - but perhaps move it else where? i figure its mostly up to you, especially considering that you'd maybe also have to arrange some other stuff afterwards Fixed

00:28:045 (1) - 00:39:016 (1) - 00:52:731 (2) - choose one slider length to stick to here Fixed?

01:09:874 (5) - i think you should really make this 1/4 long and then have a circle where it originally ends since like It's Not Fitting the Song's Beatpatterning Fixed

01:11:588 (1) - from here to 01:14:331 (1) - here, theres a lot of space for 1/8 to be put (also why is it spaced when most of the sliders are super slow) It seems i just felt like it

01:17:759 (1) - all the streams like this in this section of the song feel like they're put 1/4 too late Fixed

01:42:702 (6) - i think you could do without this one

01:45:531 (3) - this stream is placed well

01:46:731 (3) - you should really consider making this two separate circles especially since the lead into the 1/8 after it is very weird and the slider here doesnt fit with beatpatterning (which is also why the 1/8 after it is placed weirdly) Fixed

01:56:502 (5) - 1/6? why? im not sure i hear it Fixed 1/8 now

01:57:788 (8) - this maybe could be removed and also change 01:57:874 (9) - to a stream that goes to 01:58:216 (1) - Fixed

02:11:245 (5) - you pprobably shouldnt start a kiai with the end of a slider since you dont click the end of a slider. what you could do is make the slider 1/4 shorter and then put
a circle at the start of the kiai. although tbh the kiai position here is like weird imo wrt the song Fixed

also i dont get most of the 1/8 at all from the beginning of the kiai to 02:36:445 (10) - . afterwards seems alright but in between theres no discernable 1/8 sounds on most of what you've mapped here. this also applies to the next kiai, but the next kiai i think doesnt map as much invisible 1/8 I'm random

03:17:759 (2) - delete this and move 03:18:102 (3,4,5,6,7) - to where (2) was otherwise its just awkward and is placed wrong in the music. then fill in the space thats after it Fixed

03:51:359 (3) - same problem as before with the streams starting 1/4 too late. this occurs consistently throughout the whole section so im not gonna point all of them out Fixed

04:12:616 (1) - same thing as i pointed out in the beginning Tried to fix

the rest of the map seems to mirror many other stuff i pointed out in the mod; the section after the last kiai has 1/8 placed technically correctly since they're not in pairs of 5 starting where they are, but if you decide to mod in the suggestions i gave for the sections that are similar to it, you could put a 1/8 before those pairs of 3 in the section after the last kiai, that'd be cool for consistency. I'll try when my lazieness goes away
Many thanks for the mod : )
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