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Tips for switching from 4k to 7k

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Aesis
50 posts
Joined October 2015
Topic Starter
Aesis
I recently got interested in 6k and 7k beatmaps but even after 2 hours of trying low difficulty songs (0.8-1.5 range) I still hit the wrong key every once in a while. So I was wondering if it's too early for me. If my brain just can't comprehend it. Or there are things I need to know for that.
That's why I'm asking here :) maybe someone can explain.

I mostly play 4k and some 5k (I'd say 80% 4k and 20% 5k) My hard wall for difficulty with 90% accuracy is ~3.5, 95% is ~2.8-3.0 and 97%+ is at ~2.5-2.6 (all of these values are for 4k)
lenpai
Beatmap Nominator
1,780 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai
Keep playing easy level stuff, you'll eventually get the hang of it. Took me about 2 - 3 months to pick up 7k from 6k.

Once youre able to press stuff without much confusion, its time to pick up the difficulty.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Depending on how long you've played 4k, the time it will take to learn higher keynotes will possibly get harder. The longer you play 4k, the more muscle memory you need to relearn, which can make the transition much harder. Higher key modes also take much longer in general to learn to consistently hit the right keys.

It can take several months of consistently playing higher modes to get the basics down.

Like lenfried said, keep pushing past your comfort level, if you can S something, its not gonna help you improve much compared to trying to improve a high B to an A. But don't grind on the same songs, play a wide variety of maps, even ones with patterns you don't like.

Also, don't pay too much attention to star rating, it is not that great at rating the actual difficulty of patterns.
Soul Evans
Elite Mapper
425 posts
Joined June 2014
Soul Evans
There's also alot of things you should try when picking up 7k
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Soul Evans
Elite Mapper
425 posts
Joined June 2014
Soul Evans
oh well lemme see how i can help
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Soul Evans
Elite Mapper
425 posts
Joined June 2014
Soul Evans
Picking up 7k isn't an easy feat to do from 4-5k but, you if you're having trouble with 7k i'd suggest either two things.

First, you could try lowering your scroll speed to be able to read the notes properly so that you wouldn't just ''miss'' the right key to press as scroll speed comfort is essential for a player to be able to perform properly in any beatmap.

Second, you might need to change your skin if you feel like it might not be suitable for 7k, it would be good to try something that you ~might~ be able to read for efficiently.I'd suggest an o2jam skin, it might be the most popular pick for players starting out 7k, but any other skin that you feel comfortable is what you should go with. if you'd like you could try out http://puu.sh/kkIMp.osk this o2jam skin that jhlee uses.

and honestly you just started out 7k, it takes time for you to improve on a higher key mode, you can go around 7k ranked maps for starters and visit https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/399593 this thread if you want to pick up the difficulty also, try to play maps that are slightly above your comfort zone as to keep that improvement steady to be able to go further in difficulties. well,hope this helps.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
the most important advice for learning 7K from playing 4K that nobody here mentioned is

don't play 4K

this is more important than literally anything else you're going to do. make a rule for yourself to not play 4K /at all/. not even "just this one time". nothing. until you can clear at least [pick your desired target of skill level] in 7K.
Inimici
3 posts
Joined August 2014
Inimici

Bobbias wrote:

Depending on how long you've played 4k, the time it will take to learn higher keynotes will possibly get harder. The longer you play 4k, the more muscle memory you need to relearn, which can make the transition much harder. Higher key modes also take much longer in general to learn to consistently hit the right keys.

It can take several months of consistently playing higher modes to get the basics down.

Like lenfried said, keep pushing past your comfort level, if you can S something, its not gonna help you improve much compared to trying to improve a high B to an A. But don't grind on the same songs, play a wide variety of maps, even ones with patterns you don't like.

Also, don't pay too much attention to star rating, it is not that great at rating the actual difficulty of patterns.
Well... Firetruck.. ive played 4k for a year now and im 16k.. itll be hard for me going to 7k then
Yuudachi-kun
5,435 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Aqo wrote:

don't play 4K
Coincidentally this is how I feel about 7K all the time.
Halogen-
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
574 posts
Joined September 2009
Halogen-

Aqo wrote:

the most important advice for learning 7K from playing 4K that nobody here mentioned is

don't play 4K

this is more important than literally anything else you're going to do. make a rule for yourself to not play 4K /at all/. not even "just this one time". nothing. until you can clear at least [pick your desired target of skill level] in 7K.
while I normally disagree with what Aqo says...

... I'm gonna have to somewhat agree with him here based off of my own experiences. Playing 4k inhibits the growth in muscle memory that you want to have in 7k. I played for only a few days without touching 4k at all and went from failing nearly everything used in the 7K group stages to being able to pass all but one song (and S-ranking a few), and you can do that as well. Gaining a foundation for 7k is also great because it allows you to establish finger independence and stamina in a way that you wouldn't in 4k - you're able to train your ring fingers, which will prove to be beneficial for 6k. And, if you use your thumbs for 7k and become really strong with it, you can apply it to a ring/middle + thumb setup for 5k, giving you maximum capability on one-handed trilling.

It -really- sucks to have to do, but giving yourself a bit of a break from 4k really will help.

My personal situation is a tricky one, because I am able to play even number keys reasonably well (4/6/8), but I'm really poor at odd number keys, and it's almost certainly due to the fact that I am trying to utilize just a single thumb (I use both thumbs for 8k, not sure how common/uncommon that is). Learning how to cope with the disbalance is the best thing you can do.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Going to agree with the point about not playing 4k. Any time you go back to 4k, you really slow down the process of becoming better at 7k, at least until you've reached somewhere around where your 4k skill is.

Honestly, I don't think using a thumb for 7k is any different from players who use a setup like sdfjkl; for 7k with the right index playing the middle key. In both cases you're using more fingers on the right hand than the left (or vice versa if you're left handed), so the main thing is associating the middle column with your dominant hand.
yetii
175 posts
Joined August 2015
yetii
I've been trying to learn 7K ( and i'm still horrible at it) but what I did is play occasionaly for a few hours when i started and come back at it in like a week.
Everytime I came back it felt like it was a little bit easier for me to hit the notes correctly.

After like 2 months of this i got comfortable with the keys and started learning patters and playing more difficult maps. In the two weeks that I have been 'actively' playing 7K, I got from A ranking below 2 star to getting S ranks around 3* maps (altough rating doesnt mean that much). So just try to get tha hang of the basic notes and muscle memory will do the rest hehe..
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