16:11 Osuology: when ur scared ppl won't liek ur mpa
16:11 Osuology: map
16:11 -[ Snowflake ]-: I get dat feeling.
16:11 -[ Snowflake ]-: m4m?
16:13 Osuology: ok\
16:14 *-[ Snowflake ]- is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/970461 toby fox - Undertale (Chime Remix) [Undertale]]
16:14 Osuology: my map isn't done btw, it won't be until summer break starts probably, so can I have ticket?
16:16 Osuology: dang that AR in the beginning is killer
16:17 Osuology: 00:00:516 (2,3,4) - would like these perhaps to be more angled than they are
16:17 Osuology: moving the 2 or 4 would be a solution
16:18 -[ Snowflake ]-: How angled?
16:18 -[ Snowflake ]-: I was trying to blanket them there
16:18 Osuology: here is a suggestion:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/509434316:18 Osuology: you don't have to follow this if you don't like it
16:20 -[ Snowflake ]-: Seems reasonable, but is it snapped?
16:20 Osuology: snapped to grid you mean?
16:20 -[ Snowflake ]-: Distance
16:21 Osuology: no, but you could curve the slider more so that it would fit, but that wouldn't follow with other sliders. It doesn't matter too much I think anyways, it fits the song since it's a downbeat
16:21 -[ Snowflake ]-: I have to lower the SV of the intro from a previous mod though, so change the SV to .8
16:21 -[ Snowflake ]-: Wait you won't know how I'm fixing the sliders nvm
16:22 Osuology: lol
16:22 Osuology: well in that case
16:22 Osuology: skip to first bookmark?
16:22 -[ Snowflake ]-: First inhierited point.
16:22 -[ Snowflake ]-: or yeah first bookmark
16:23 -[ Snowflake ]-: It lasts until 13s in
16:23 Osuology: this makes it snappy and overlap ugly (overlap isn't ugly unless there's too much going on imo)
16:23 Osuology: 00:16:159 (2) -
16:23 Osuology: so maybe
16:24 Osuology: it's kinda hard to place this properly somewhere else
16:24 Osuology: stacking it is worse
16:24 Osuology: 00:16:159 (2) - maybe place at 464, 264?
16:24 -[ Snowflake ]-: tbh I don't even know how that got there.
16:25 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yup, that works, but then I have to resnap the next slider, no?
16:25 Osuology: mmm
16:25 Osuology: again, it starts on a downbeat, plus the hitsound
16:26 Osuology: I think it's better but if you want to stay inside DS do what you want
16:26 -[ Snowflake ]-: I'm applying your mod how you say it, I just want to apply the mod without ruining the rankability of the song.
16:27 Osuology: I don't think it will, DS isn't everything
16:27 Osuology: there are probably ranked maps out there that never use DS
16:27 -[ Snowflake ]-: Plenty
16:28 Osuology: 00:18:088 (3) - ofc, that means you will have to move these sliders accordingly I think
16:28 Osuology: for structuring reasons
16:29 Osuology: 00:17:016 (4) - also, why manually stacked? Is this even intentional? I would just recommend putting it directly on the slider end
16:29 Osuology: it matches more with your style that you've been going with
16:32 Osuology: herro?
16:33 -[ Snowflake ]-: Fixing these sliders.
16:33 Osuology: k
16:33 -[ Snowflake ]-: Almost done tho
16:34 -[ Snowflake ]-: Alright done with that. Now let's see here
16:34 -[ Snowflake ]-: `Mmh nope those sliders are fine.
16:35 Osuology: and then the stacked 4?
16:35 -[ Snowflake ]-: Alright, stacked it.
16:35 Osuology: 00:18:730 (4,5,1,2) - hopefully you noticed this is a copy paste of the ugly pattern before
16:35 Osuology: with the 2
16:37 -[ Snowflake ]-: Nothing was copied and pasted except the ending, I manually redid that
16:37 Osuology: ok
16:37 Osuology: good
16:37 -[ Snowflake ]-: But yeah I fixed it when you mentioned it earlier
16:37 Osuology: good
16:37 Osuology: 00:20:123 (4) - this slider shape doesn't match up with the style imo
16:38 -[ Snowflake ]-: I redid the shape to fit the spacing from an earlier mod. I didn't like the shape either, but wasn't sure how else to fix it.
16:38 Osuology: and also why is it far away from the 3?
16:39 -[ Snowflake ]-: Distance snap.
16:39 Osuology: oh wait
16:39 Osuology: nvm
16:39 Osuology: I couldn't tell the delay for a sec
16:39 -[ Snowflake ]-: "00:20:123 (4) - Should this be put a little bit more further away? This makes the player think they share the same distance,"
16:39 -[ Snowflake ]-: yeah xD
16:39 -[ Snowflake ]-: It was originally closer to it.
16:39 Osuology: yeah it should be further tho
16:39 Osuology: I just suck
16:40 -[ Snowflake ]-: Idk what slider shape to use tho for it to smoothly transition from 3 to 1
16:40 Osuology: how about this?
http://prntscr.com/b162jo16:41 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yup, that works!
16:42 -[ Snowflake ]-: 00:34:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,1) - I don't really like this but I'm not sure what to do with it.
16:42 Osuology: we will get to that in a sec here
16:42 -[ Snowflake ]-: Alright.
16:43 Osuology: 00:21:516 (3,4,5) - first, why antijump for no reason where you didn't have them before?
16:48 -[ Snowflake ]-: Hello? o:
16:48 Osuology: hello
16:48 Osuology: I was waiting for you
16:48 -[ Snowflake ]-: I was waiting for you xD
16:49 Osuology: well what did you do with the anti jumps?
16:49 -[ Snowflake ]-: Where?
16:50 Osuology: 00:21:516 (3,4,5) - these
16:50 -[ Snowflake ]-: I left them alone. I was never told to do anything with them o:
16:50 -[ Snowflake ]-: I did stack this 00:22:588 (2) - underneath this 00:22:159 (5) - though.
16:51 Osuology: maybe tell me why they are there? Do they have a reason to exist there?
16:51 Osuology: I would appreciate an answer pls
16:52 -[ Snowflake ]-: Your messages aren't sending properly >o<
16:52 -[ Snowflake ]-: They're there to emphasize the melody.
16:52 -[ Snowflake ]-: It's 3 gentle notes, so 3 gentle circles
16:52 Osuology: but
16:53 Osuology: you never did that before with these notes
16:53 -[ Snowflake ]-: This is a new section.
16:53 -[ Snowflake ]-: The sections are spaced out by a spinner.
16:53 -[ Snowflake ]-: Oh wait.
16:53 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yeah you're right. Right here it's kind of random ewe 00:21:516 (3,4,5) -
16:54 -[ Snowflake ]-: I guess I wanted some originality; didn't want to keep being so repetitive.
16:54 Osuology: yes, that's good but anti jumps are hard to use
16:54 -[ Snowflake ]-: Well, I guess you could argue that musically that is a new section o:
16:55 Osuology: it's incredibly similar to the last one, it's not about the song it's about the structure of your map
16:55 -[ Snowflake ]-: 00:20:123 (4) - Section end 00:20:659 (1) - Section start
16:55 Osuology: lol
16:55 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yeah.
16:55 Osuology: but I don't see a difference
16:55 Osuology: whatever let's move on
16:56 -[ Snowflake ]-: Not going to give me a fix? >o<
16:57 Osuology: I would say just follow previous structuring of patterns, but since you argue that it makes sense musically, I'm gonna leave that for more experienced and well known modders to tell you what to do with it
16:57 -[ Snowflake ]-: I do want to fix it, I just don't know what to do with it.
16:59 Osuology:
http://prntscr.com/b168dq16:59 Osuology: like this maybe?
17:00 -[ Snowflake ]-: Did you turn DS off for that?
17:01 -[ Snowflake ]-: If you did that's fine, just wondering so I stop struggling to make it like that xD
17:01 Osuology: nope
17:01 Osuology: 1.2 DS right?
17:01 -[ Snowflake ]-: Why can't I get it then ; ~;
17:01 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yes.
17:02 Osuology: and ofc 00:23:552 (4,5) - these two also
17:02 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yurp
17:02 -[ Snowflake ]-: What do I do about the 00:22:373 (1) - ?
17:02 -[ Snowflake ]-: Overlap it under the 5?
17:03 Osuology: 00:22:373 (1,2,3) - this whole pattern I feel is not quite fitting anyways, in terms of placement
17:04 -[ Snowflake ]-: Wutchu mean?
17:04 -[ Snowflake ]-: It's the same as the last pattern with that rhythm o:
17:04 Osuology: with rhythm yes
17:04 Osuology: but placement
17:04 Osuology: I said
17:04 -[ Snowflake ]-: Hrmm
17:05 -[ Snowflake ]-: Are you recommending I remove the sliders or place them better?
17:05 -[ Snowflake ]-: Because I know what's wrong with them flow-wise.
17:05 Osuology: place them better, so let me get an example
17:07 Osuology: well
17:07 -[ Snowflake ]-: [http://i.imgur.com/wdsUIlB.jpg ?]
17:08 Osuology: yes the sliders are perfect
17:08 Osuology: the 1 I wouldn't recommend to stack, but DS snapped
17:08 Osuology: anyways I gtg, but I will post the rest of the mod on the topic when I finish this mod (probably in a few days)
17:09 -[ Snowflake ]-: Umm okei.
17:09 -[ Snowflake ]-: Can you post the irc mod on the forum?
17:09 -[ Snowflake ]-: [http://i.imgur.com/wIFaDsl.jpg This work?]
17:09 Osuology: perfecto
17:10 Osuology: I will post this on the topic now I guess, so no kds for my later finished mod