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dk41245
Hi,
This is dk41245 who like to playing OSU, especially CTB.

Actually, I want to make a 'deal' with YOU.

I have some friends playing OSU. They like to multi-play with me, and they also like to make records in hard beatmaps.
However, they started to quit OSU recently because they think you have a doubt about users.
They think YOU think users who achieve full combo with flashlight used Hack Programs.
Maybe you should trust users.

Thank you.
Mara
Sorry, but I have to do this now.

Faust
Guess what.

peppy barely plays CtB.

SPOILER
You wa shock!
NoHitter
This doesn't make sense.
How does a "CTB" competition have to do with hackers?
There are really players out there that use Flashlight hacks. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN.
Calling out peppy for a duel won't change anything.
Besides, peppy won't chase after you and your "friends" if you guys don't hack.
KRZY
Good try dk41245, but ppl don't care about what ppy did in #korean. I don't think people even know. I understand how you feel, but this is not the way.
dNextGen
lol just lol
NoHitter

KRZY wrote:

Good try dk41245, but ppl don't care about what ppy did in #korean. I don't think people even know. I understand how you feel, but this is not the way.
Huh? What did he do?
Colin Hou
I'm curious now.
Sleep Powder
To be continued...
Jarby
peppy

NoHItter wrote:

Huh? What did he do?
What did I do? Try to talk some sense. I got nothing but flames in a language I can hardly understand. Of course, this is par for course.

For those interested, here is a lot of what I said in the channel. I kind of gave up after saying the same thing multiple times with absolutely no understanding or progress. At one point I believe they were planning on preparing a document to send to nintendo (?!) to get osu! destroyed from copyright infringements, from what I can understand.

16:25 <@ppy> yes phantasmaria has cheated
16:25 <@ppy> and will be banned when i get a chance
16:26 <@ppy> phantasmaria: i lol'd
16:26 <@ppy> from nov29 to dec29
16:26 <@ppy> you sure as hell did
16:26 <@ppy> nov29, nov30, dec1, dec2, dec3, dec28, dec29
16:27 <@ppy> i don't think, i know
16:27 <@ppy> that doesn't matter, because it's 100% certain
16:28 <@ppy> he was cheating
16:28 <@ppy> phantasmaria: you tell ME the reason
16:28 <@ppy> Shana: you missed the point
16:28 <@ppy> it's 100% confirmed
16:28 <@ppy> i don't think
16:29 <@ppy> show you what? my protection against hacks?
16:29 <@ppy> the source code?
16:29 <@ppy> no
16:29 <@ppy> i have no need to
16:29 <@ppy> phantasmaria: if you admit to cheating you can just be score reset
16:29 <@ppy> go read the cheater thread for more information
16:30 <@ppy> phantasmaria: think back to those dates then
16:30 <@ppy> and maybe you'll find the reason
16:30 <@ppy> moneto: that doesn't matter; he did
16:31 <@ppy> same ip address, so it couldn't have been someone else
16:31 <@ppy> also he has a multi account
16:31 <@ppy> !stats riaa
16:32 <@ppy> dorm means nothing
16:34 <@ppy> phantasmaria: yes it is a problem
16:34 <@ppy> it is against the rules
16:34 <@ppy> anyway that doesn't matter
16:34 <@ppy> because you cheated
16:34 <@ppy> sorry, i think you have this the wrong way around
16:35 <@ppy> if i didn't have evidence, he wouldn't be on the list as a cheater
16:35 <@ppy> it's phantasmaria's job to tell me why he is on that list
16:35 <@ppy> not my job to tell you
16:35 <@ppy> also i'm not really open to discussion; go read the cheater thread
16:35 <@ppy> every case is 100%
16:36 <@ppy> phantasmaria: if there's a misunderstanding, it's at your end
16:36 <@ppy> check those dates
16:36 <@ppy> and tell me why you were cheating
16:36 <@ppy> your ip, your account, your pc, your osu! install
16:46 <@ppy> i'll say this and hopefully someone can translate it: if you believe phantasmaria more than me, then you should quit osu!, and be more careful about who you trust.
16:46 <@ppy> because phantasmaria is lying
16:47 <@ppy> [Exit]: if you don't trust me, then quit please.
16:47 <@ppy> Shino: flashlight graphical modification
16:49 <@ppy> google translate sucks at korean :(
16:57 <@ppy> !moderated on
16:57 <@ppy> seriously guys
16:57 <@ppy> you are taking this in the completely wrong direction
17:20 <@ppy> !moderated off
17:21 <@ppy> K_i_R_i_K_a_R_u:
17:22 <@ppy> lepidopodus: they found out phantasmaria has been cheating but won't believe me, so started to go wild
17:24 <@ppy> lepidopodus: just gave some time to cool down
17:24 <@ppy> lepidopodus: are you able to convey in korean that there is absolutely no doubt that phantasmaria cheated?
17:24 <@ppy> lepidopodus: giving evidence would mean i can no longer find cheaters, so i can't
17:24 <@ppy> lepidopodus: if they dont' trust my judgement then it may be a good idea to quit osu! :|
17:25 <@ppy> since they proabbly shouldn't trust running an application by me on their system
17:25 <@ppy> Kyou-kun: every single person on that list is 100% certaitny
17:25 <@ppy> the list with possible cheaters is over 1k users
17:25 <@ppy> i put a lot of time into making sure
17:25 <@ppy> each case is handled individually
17:25 <@ppy> i obviously can't say
17:25 <@ppy> because then you would know how to avoid it
17:27 <@ppy> should i be silencing gothic, or am i misunderstanding?
17:27 <@ppy> do we have any korean moderators?
17:27 <@ppy> proabbly should, considering the size of this channel
17:28 <@ppy> aah
17:28 <@ppy> any suggestions for people who are online a lot?
17:28 <@ppy> and can speak english and korean
17:29 <@ppy> aha
17:30 <@ppy> well see if you guys can agree on 1 or 2 people
17:30 <@ppy> who are level-headed and speak en/kr
17:30 <@ppy> also make sure phantasmaria knows that if they admit, it can be a score reset, not ban
17:31 <@ppy> thanks
17:33 <@ppy> obviously
17:34 <@ppy> i will ban you
17:34 <@ppy> @kyou-kun
17:34 <@ppy> i mean if you cheat on purpose
17:34 <@ppy> you won't get a reset lol
17:34 <@ppy> in fact, i'll reset you, but make your accuracy permanently < 50%
17:38 <@ppy> yanclo: no other game would give a "detailed explanation"
17:38 <@ppy> yanclo: he used a hack to modify flashlight gameplay
17:38 <@ppy> that's all that you need to hear
17:38 <@ppy> if i give evidence, i can't catch future cheaters can i?
17:38 <@ppy> i gave you specific dates from automated detection
17:39 <@ppy> i can't give anymore
17:39 <@ppy> i also manually confirmed the automated checks on each of those days
17:39 <@ppy> and am 100% sure
17:39 <@ppy> phantasmaria: a) say you cheated, b) quit
17:39 <@ppy> well quit==ban i mean
17:40 <@ppy> yanclo: do you want a game full of cheaters?
17:40 <@ppy> do you recall moneto cheating? when noone believed me?
17:40 <@ppy> this is the same thing
17:40 <@ppy> it's hard for things like this, when you are friend with the person
17:40 <@ppy> because it feels like betrayal when you find out they have cheated
17:41 <@ppy> but i can't do any more than keep this game free of cheats
17:41 <@ppy> the rest is up to you guys to understand and come to your own conclusions
17:41 <@ppy> if someone could translate, that would be great ;x
17:42 <@ppy> yes
17:42 <@ppy> think about it
17:42 <@ppy> i can make a video showing anything
17:42 <@ppy> it proves nothing
17:42 <@ppy> phantasmaria: did you use it by accident?
17:43 <@ppy> though that's hardly possible
17:43 <@ppy> replacing osu! files by accident lol
17:43 <@ppy> nah
17:43 <@ppy> can't be that
17:43 <@ppy> he used the russian guy's cheat
17:43 <@ppy> no doubt about it
17:44 <@ppy> i have to eat dinner, laters
17:44 <@ppy> m980: make him
17:45 <@ppy> yanclo: you're missing the point sorry
17:45 <@ppy> i have evidence
17:45 <@ppy> 100% evidence
17:45 <@ppy> nothing will sway me
17:45 <@ppy> because it's undeniable
17:45 <@ppy> do you understand what 100% means? absolutely NO DOUBT
17:46 <@ppy> i am happy to kill myself right now if i'm wrong
17:46 <@ppy> i'm looking at pixels which tell me he cheated, 100%
17:46 <@ppy> now, dinner.
18:03 <@ppy> 17:48 < [Exit]> 뭐 페피가
18:03 <@ppy> 17:48 < [Exit]> 핵 많으니까
18:03 <@ppy> if it got to court, my evidence would prevent a trial from starting
18:03 <@ppy> because it's conclusive
18:03 <@ppy> sorry wrong lines
18:03 <@ppy> 17:47 < [Exit]> 그걸 공판에서 안내세우면
18:03 <@ppy> 17:47 < [Exit]> 그게 법정에서 효력이있을까?
18:10 <@ppy> yanclo: find out who was using their pc on all the dates i mentioned
18:10 <@ppy> 16:26 <@ppy> nov29, nov30, dec1, dec2, dec3, dec28, dec29
18:10 <@ppy> maria needs to find out who was cheating on their account on their pc using their ip address
18:10 <@ppy> on each of those days
18:10 <@ppy> i can provide times if it helps
18:12 <@ppy> his account

dk41245 wrote:

However, they started to quit OSU recently because they think you have a doubt about users.
They think YOU think users who achieve full combo with flashlight used Hack Programs.
Maybe you should trust users.
Take a moment to look at the cheater thread. No one that I banned in the last wave was banned and then restored because there was a mistake; they all admitted to cheating. I have confidence in my detection methods. It isn't "doubt about users", it is solid proof of their misdoings. Maybe *you* should have more doubt in those you think that you can trust?
Mara
16:49 <@ppy> google translate sucks at korean :(

I fixed this for you.

So tl;dr - butthurt korean cheaters..?
Mukku

LunaticMara wrote:

16:49 <@ppy> google translate sucks at korean :(

I fixed this for you.

So tl;dr - butthurt korean cheaters..?
Looks very much like it. Things get wild!
DeathxShinigami
yeah, they probably are butthurt (kinda why I stopped hanging out with them anyways)
peppy
Well actually, it was more like one regular of the Korean community was caught cheating, but they strongly denied this accusation. Of course, if you had a long-term friend who was suddenly accused of something they say they didn't do, who would you turn on? The friend, or me? This exact same thing happened with the Chinese and Russian communities on previous occasions, so I'm guessing we'll probably see it at least once for every non-english-speaking community.

It probably has something to do with the fact that these communities do not know me or how I run the game, and I can understand this to some degree. After all, there are a lot of online games out there (even paid ones) run by a tyrannical group of game masters. Hopefully though, they can come to the realisation that I have nothing to gain from accusing or banning people, apart from protecting the community from users trying to gain an unfair advantage.
Mara
Quick (and maybe retarded) guess;

I just think these communities doesn't lurk forums enough to know you due the fact you post important stuff (such as this cheating list) on forums. (And they do not chat in #osu, I guess)
KRZY

peppy wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

Huh? What did he do?
What did I do? Try to talk some sense. I got nothing but flames in a language I can hardly understand. Of course, this is par for course.

For those interested, here is a lot of what I said in the channel. I kind of gave up after saying the same thing multiple times with absolutely no understanding or progress. At one point I believe they were planning on preparing a document to send to nintendo (?!) to get osu! destroyed from copyright infringements, from what I can understand.

log
16:25 <@ppy> yes phantasmaria has cheated
16:25 <@ppy> and will be banned when i get a chance
16:26 <@ppy> phantasmaria: i lol'd
16:26 <@ppy> from nov29 to dec29
16:26 <@ppy> you sure as hell did
16:26 <@ppy> nov29, nov30, dec1, dec2, dec3, dec28, dec29
16:27 <@ppy> i don't think, i know
16:27 <@ppy> that doesn't matter, because it's 100% certain
16:28 <@ppy> he was cheating
16:28 <@ppy> phantasmaria: you tell ME the reason
16:28 <@ppy> Shana: you missed the point
16:28 <@ppy> it's 100% confirmed
16:28 <@ppy> i don't think
16:29 <@ppy> show you what? my protection against hacks?
16:29 <@ppy> the source code?
16:29 <@ppy> no
16:29 <@ppy> i have no need to
16:29 <@ppy> phantasmaria: if you admit to cheating you can just be score reset
16:29 <@ppy> go read the cheater thread for more information
16:30 <@ppy> phantasmaria: think back to those dates then
16:30 <@ppy> and maybe you'll find the reason
16:30 <@ppy> moneto: that doesn't matter; he did
16:31 <@ppy> same ip address, so it couldn't have been someone else
16:31 <@ppy> also he has a multi account
16:31 <@ppy> !stats riaa
16:32 <@ppy> dorm means nothing
16:34 <@ppy> phantasmaria: yes it is a problem
16:34 <@ppy> it is against the rules
16:34 <@ppy> anyway that doesn't matter
16:34 <@ppy> because you cheated
16:34 <@ppy> sorry, i think you have this the wrong way around
16:35 <@ppy> if i didn't have evidence, he wouldn't be on the list as a cheater
16:35 <@ppy> it's phantasmaria's job to tell me why he is on that list
16:35 <@ppy> not my job to tell you
16:35 <@ppy> also i'm not really open to discussion; go read the cheater thread
16:35 <@ppy> every case is 100%
16:36 <@ppy> phantasmaria: if there's a misunderstanding, it's at your end
16:36 <@ppy> check those dates
16:36 <@ppy> and tell me why you were cheating
16:36 <@ppy> your ip, your account, your pc, your osu! install
16:46 <@ppy> i'll say this and hopefully someone can translate it: if you believe phantasmaria more than me, then you should quit osu!, and be more careful about who you trust.
16:46 <@ppy> because phantasmaria is lying
16:47 <@ppy> [Exit]: if you don't trust me, then quit please.
16:47 <@ppy> Shino: flashlight graphical modification
16:49 <@ppy> google translate sucks at korean :(
16:57 <@ppy> !moderated on
16:57 <@ppy> seriously guys
16:57 <@ppy> you are taking this in the completely wrong direction
17:20 <@ppy> !moderated off
17:21 <@ppy> K_i_R_i_K_a_R_u:
17:22 <@ppy> lepidopodus: they found out phantasmaria has been cheating but won't believe me, so started to go wild
17:24 <@ppy> lepidopodus: just gave some time to cool down
17:24 <@ppy> lepidopodus: are you able to convey in korean that there is absolutely no doubt that phantasmaria cheated?
17:24 <@ppy> lepidopodus: giving evidence would mean i can no longer find cheaters, so i can't
17:24 <@ppy> lepidopodus: if they dont' trust my judgement then it may be a good idea to quit osu! :|
17:25 <@ppy> since they proabbly shouldn't trust running an application by me on their system
17:25 <@ppy> Kyou-kun: every single person on that list is 100% certaitny
17:25 <@ppy> the list with possible cheaters is over 1k users
17:25 <@ppy> i put a lot of time into making sure
17:25 <@ppy> each case is handled individually
17:25 <@ppy> i obviously can't say
17:25 <@ppy> because then you would know how to avoid it
17:27 <@ppy> should i be silencing gothic, or am i misunderstanding?
17:27 <@ppy> do we have any korean moderators?
17:27 <@ppy> proabbly should, considering the size of this channel
17:28 <@ppy> aah
17:28 <@ppy> any suggestions for people who are online a lot?
17:28 <@ppy> and can speak english and korean
17:29 <@ppy> aha
17:30 <@ppy> well see if you guys can agree on 1 or 2 people
17:30 <@ppy> who are level-headed and speak en/kr
17:30 <@ppy> also make sure phantasmaria knows that if they admit, it can be a score reset, not ban
17:31 <@ppy> thanks
17:33 <@ppy> obviously
17:34 <@ppy> i will ban you
17:34 <@ppy> @kyou-kun
17:34 <@ppy> i mean if you cheat on purpose
17:34 <@ppy> you won't get a reset lol
17:34 <@ppy> in fact, i'll reset you, but make your accuracy permanently < 50%
17:38 <@ppy> yanclo: no other game would give a "detailed explanation"
17:38 <@ppy> yanclo: he used a hack to modify flashlight gameplay
17:38 <@ppy> that's all that you need to hear
17:38 <@ppy> if i give evidence, i can't catch future cheaters can i?
17:38 <@ppy> i gave you specific dates from automated detection
17:39 <@ppy> i can't give anymore
17:39 <@ppy> i also manually confirmed the automated checks on each of those days
17:39 <@ppy> and am 100% sure
17:39 <@ppy> phantasmaria: a) say you cheated, b) quit
17:39 <@ppy> well quit==ban i mean
17:40 <@ppy> yanclo: do you want a game full of cheaters?
17:40 <@ppy> do you recall moneto cheating? when noone believed me?
17:40 <@ppy> this is the same thing
17:40 <@ppy> it's hard for things like this, when you are friend with the person
17:40 <@ppy> because it feels like betrayal when you find out they have cheated
17:41 <@ppy> but i can't do any more than keep this game free of cheats
17:41 <@ppy> the rest is up to you guys to understand and come to your own conclusions
17:41 <@ppy> if someone could translate, that would be great ;x
17:42 <@ppy> yes
17:42 <@ppy> think about it
17:42 <@ppy> i can make a video showing anything
17:42 <@ppy> it proves nothing
17:42 <@ppy> phantasmaria: did you use it by accident?
17:43 <@ppy> though that's hardly possible
17:43 <@ppy> replacing osu! files by accident lol
17:43 <@ppy> nah
17:43 <@ppy> can't be that
17:43 <@ppy> he used the russian guy's cheat
17:43 <@ppy> no doubt about it
17:44 <@ppy> i have to eat dinner, laters
17:44 <@ppy> m980: make him
17:45 <@ppy> yanclo: you're missing the point sorry
17:45 <@ppy> i have evidence
17:45 <@ppy> 100% evidence
17:45 <@ppy> nothing will sway me
17:45 <@ppy> because it's undeniable
17:45 <@ppy> do you understand what 100% means? absolutely NO DOUBT
17:46 <@ppy> i am happy to kill myself right now if i'm wrong
17:46 <@ppy> i'm looking at pixels which tell me he cheated, 100%
17:46 <@ppy> now, dinner.
18:03 <@ppy> 17:48 < [Exit]> 뭐 페피가
18:03 <@ppy> 17:48 < [Exit]> 핵 많으니까
18:03 <@ppy> if it got to court, my evidence would prevent a trial from starting
18:03 <@ppy> because it's conclusive
18:03 <@ppy> sorry wrong lines
18:03 <@ppy> 17:47 < [Exit]> 그걸 공판에서 안내세우면
18:03 <@ppy> 17:47 < [Exit]> 그게 법정에서 효력이있을까?
18:10 <@ppy> yanclo: find out who was using their pc on all the dates i mentioned
18:10 <@ppy> 16:26 <@ppy> nov29, nov30, dec1, dec2, dec3, dec28, dec29
18:10 <@ppy> maria needs to find out who was cheating on their account on their pc using their ip address
18:10 <@ppy> on each of those days
18:10 <@ppy> i can provide times if it helps
18:12 <@ppy> his account

dk41245 wrote:

However, they started to quit OSU recently because they think you have a doubt about users.
They think YOU think users who achieve full combo with flashlight used Hack Programs.
Maybe you should trust users.
Take a moment to look at the cheater thread. No one that I banned in the last wave was banned and then restored because there was a mistake; they all admitted to cheating. I have confidence in my detection methods. It isn't "doubt about users", it is solid proof of their misdoings. Maybe *you* should have more doubt in those you think that you can trust?



First of all, thanks for the log. I was missing that. Also my apologies for not being there, #korean does have a chat moderator in the form of myself but I cannot be on 24hrs a day because of capped Internet in school, sleep, etc. I am on whenever I can be, but that was a time period I couldn't be on.

By "what he did to #korean," I was referring to moderating the channel. I understand the discussion went to nowhere, partly due to the language barrier, but is that a reason for moderating the channel? To them it looks like you took chatting rights away from them because they didn't agree with you. I am inclined to believe from my previous experiences that you do not care, but I would if I were you. Do correct me if I'm wrong, and I will be a happier man.

Regarding phantasmaria, I don't know what to say. You seem 100% sure he cheated, he is 100% sure he did not cheat. You must have a reason to be this stubborn about the decision, but if phantasmaria has cheated, he has no incentive to not admit now that he is facing either a score reset or a ban, and no other option. You have a valid point when you say

peppy wrote:

Take a moment to look at the cheater thread. No one that I banned in the last wave was banned and then restored because there was a mistake; they all admitted to cheating. I have confidence in my detection methods. It isn't "doubt about users", it is solid proof of their misdoings. Maybe *you* should have more doubt in those you think that you can trust?
However,

1. Three years ago, I attended the same school with phantasmaria for a year and a half, where we became close friends.
2. I played a variety of games with him, both on the field or on the screen, and as far as I am concerned he would never cheat.
3. Again, I see no incentive for phantasmaria not to admit that he cheated now, for all options left to him does not include the preservation of his scores.

If you mean to suggest that my judgement of him for these past years have been wrong and I should trust you, the game master, more than him, then as you say, perhaps it is time I leave this game.


EDIT after reading additional posts: I do understand, of course, ppy has best interests in his mind when he purges cheaters. Somehow I seem to have an image of protecting cheaters to ppy, which I don't understand why but is proud to deny. Ask ppl how glad I was when hyt103 got banned. This is just me getting personal because phantasmaria is a long friend of mine.
Mukku
Well osu! has auto login upon launching it so isn't it possible that someone else cheated while using Phantasmaria's computer or something like that?
KRZY

Mukku wrote:

Well osu! has auto login upon launching it so isn't it possible that someone else cheated while using Phantasmaria's computer or something like that?

I doubt anyone else except phantasmaria would have used his computer.
Mara

Mukku wrote:

Well osu! has auto login upon launching it so isn't it possible that someone else cheated while using Phantasmaria's computer or something like that?
Pretty rare case.
Mukku
If Phantasmaria didn't cheat and it still is 100% certain that Phantasmaria did cheat, the only solution is that someone else used his computer/account to cheat.

It is quite the logical outcome and maybe I am stupid or something, but I can't come up with anything else.
peppy

KRZY wrote:

To them it looks like you took chatting rights away from them because they didn't agree with you. I am inclined to believe from my previous experiences that you do not care, but I would if I were you. Do correct me if I'm wrong, and I will be a happier man.
Here is the full log before I moderated the channel. Google translate may be bad, but I can understand the general flow of conversation, so decided to let things cool off:

SPOILER
16:53 < phantasmaria> 근데 지금와서 생각하니 좀 아까움 핵으로 밴 당하면 저는 뭐가됨
16:53 < [Exit]> 리듬 히어로 베낀 게임아님?
16:53 < [Gothic]> ㅇㅇ
16:53 < [Gothic]> 솔직히
16:53 < [Gothic]> 이거 저작권신고하면
16:53 < [Exit]> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
16:53 < [Gothic]> 페피 거지됨 ㅋ
16:53 < [Exit]> 근데 뭐 어쨌든
16:53 -!- mode/#korean [+o m980|osu] by BanchoBot
16:53 < [Gothic]> 페피 좆 망 ㅋ
16:53 < [Exit]> 핵 의혹은 풀고 뭘 하든 해야지
16:53 <+BloodyLove> 마리아님이 나 밴하면 저작권드립한다고 하면 페피 무슨반응할까
16:53 < [Gothic]> ㅇㅇ
16:53 < [Exit]> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
16:53 < Soar> ..
16:53 < [Exit]> 핵쓴놈잌ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ이럴듯
16:53 < [Gothic]> 랄까 우선
16:54 < phantasmaria> 헐 ㅇㅅㅇ
16:54 < [Gothic]> 인증영상부터 ㄱㄱ
16:54 < Soar> 그렇게되면
16:54 < [Exit]> 아니면 네이버 검색
16:54 < Soar> 햇더의심받음
16:54 < [Gothic]> 인증영상이 시급한듯
16:54 < Shana> 영상부터 찍어야할듯
16:54 < [Exit]> 인증하는데 왠 핵
16:54 < Soar> 아니
16:54 < [Exit]> 우리가 철저하게 영상을 찍자고요
16:54 < Soar> 저작권드립
16:54 < [Exit]> 날짜 시간 확실히 해서
16:54 < [Exit]> 1등 먹자마자
16:54 < [Exit]> 1등 먹은 시간을
16:54 < phantasmaria> 으... 어느게 좋을려나 아 씨... 긴곡들은 다 한지 오래되서 기억도 안나는데 미치겠네
16:54 < [Exit]> 영상에 남기면
16:54 < Soar> 저작권드립하면 오히려더의심한다는거..
16:54 < [Gothic]> ㅇㅇ
16:54 < [Gothic]> 페피도 뭐라 못함
16:54 < [Exit]> 장난으로 한 소리임
16:54 <+BloodyLove> 교주님//그냥 스펙 걸어서 찍으면 되지않나요
16:55 < phantasmaria> 지금 일단 쉬운거 영상 한개찍어봄
16:55 < [Exit]> 우리가?
16:55 < [Exit]> 아니
16:55 < phantasmaria> 스펙하실분은 하세요
16:55 < [Exit]> - _-
16:55 < [Gothic]> 블러디//그건 안되
16:55 < Shana> 스펙으론 모르죠
16:55 < [Exit]> 스펙이 문제가 아니라
16:55 < [Exit]> 글면
16:55 < [Exit]> 핵쓴지 안쓴지 모르잖음
16:55 < Shana> ㅇㅇ
16:55 < phantasmaria> 쟤 플레이 영상찍을거임
16:55 < [Exit]> ㅇㅇ
16:55 < phantasmaria> 스펙 하실분은 하시라구요
16:55 < Shana> 영상을 찍어야해요 카메라로
16:55 < [Exit]> 내가 스펙으로 인증해줌
16:55 < Shana> 실제플레이.
16:55 < phantasmaria> 쟤 실제 플레이 카메라로
16:55 < phantasmaria> 찍을거임
16:55 < [Exit]> 내가다 화가나네
16:55 < Shana> 행운을 빕니다.
16:55 < [Exit]> 어이가없어 페피
16:55 < Dark_Layer> 이런적이 한두번이 아니니 ㅡ..
16:55 < phantasmaria> 근데 일단 아이폰으로 동영상찍는법을 알아내야되네 아...
16:55 < phantasmaria> 기계치 돋네 나
16:55 < [Exit]> 그거있잖음
16:55 < Dark_Layer> 그냥 찍으면댐;;
16:55 < Shana> 아이폰이면 영상 찍는거 많지않나
16:55 < [Exit]> 사진기 기능에 있잖음
16:55 <+BloodyLove> 마리아//아이폰 가지고있으면 충전기 껴놓고 할때마다 찍어놓으세요
16:55 < [Exit]> 어플도있겠고
16:55 < Dark_Layer> 그냥 카메라 눌러서
16:56 < Dark_Layer> 오른쪽 아래보면
16:56 < [Exit]> 내가 가서 찍어줄까? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ나디카있음ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
16:56 < Dark_Layer> 카메라모드랑 사진모드 있음
16:56 < moneto> ㅋㅋㅋ
16:56 < Shana> 오 좋ㄷ겟다
16:56 < phantasmaria> 헐 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
16:56 < [Exit]> 디카빌려줄까
16:56 < [Exit]> 동영상모드됨
16:56 < moneto> 집 가까워서 그런것도 가능하군
16:56 < [Gothic]> 아이폰3gs 면
16:56 < [Gothic]> 디카 추천
16:56 < phantasmaria> 일단 아이폰으로 찍어봄 지금 ㅋ
16:56 < Shana> 집가까워서 좋겟다
16:56 < [Exit]> ㅇㅇ
16:56 <+BloodyLove> 마리아님이랑 교주님 집 가까움?
16:56 < [Gothic]> 아이폰4 면
16:56 < [Gothic]> 아이폰4 추천
16:56 < [Exit]> 5분거리임
16:56 < Shana> HD돼니께
16:56 < phantasmaria> 아이폰 4임
16:56 < [Exit]> 굿
16:56 < [Gothic]> 아이폰4면
16:56 < Shana> 그럼 그냥그걸로찍어요
16:56 < [Gothic]> 디카필요없음
16:56 < [Exit]> 일단 시작
16:56 < [Gothic]> 화질 미친듯이 좋아
16:56 < Shana> 아이폰4면 디카없어도돼는디
16:56 < [Exit]> 근데 스펙켰는데 아무런 변화가 없어
16:56 < [Gothic]> ㅇㅇ
16:56 < [Gothic]> 나도 아이폰4
16:56 < [Gothic]> 화질 장난아님
16:56 < phantasmaria> 지금 동영상찍는법 찾는중이라 ㅋ
16:57 < [Exit]> 아니 학생들이 무슨 스마트폰이야
16:57 < [Gothic]> 카메라 들어가셔서
16:57 < Shana> 잘낫얻요ㅠㅠ 난 픽쳐폰임
16:57 < Dark_Layer> 아이폰 갖고프내 젭라
16:57 < yanclo> 어이쿠 잘못고름 ;;;
16:57 < [Gothic]> 우선
16:57 < [Gothic]> 카메라 들어가세요
16:57 < [Exit]> 난 코비
16:57 < [Exit]> 콜ㄹㄹㄹㄹㄹ비
16:57 < Dark_Layer> 난 안드로이드
16:57 < Shana> 난 쓰레기 ㅍ픽쳐폰
16:57 < Dark_Layer> 읭 ㅜ
16:57 < [Gothic]> 카메라 들어가시면
16:57 < phantasmaria> 들갔어요
16:57 < [Gothic]> 오른쪽 하단에
16:57 < [Gothic]> 카메라 모양하고
16:57 <+BloodyLove> 난 우월한 매직홀임 ㅇㅇ
16:57 < [Gothic]> 동영상 모양이 잇는데
16:57 < phantasmaria> 네
16:57 < [Exit]> 매직홀은 양산이잖아
16:57 <@ppy> !moderated on
16:57 < BanchoBot> Moderated mode has been enabled
16:57 <@ppy> seriously guys
16:57 <@ppy> you are taking this in the completely wrong direction
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KRZY wrote:

3. Again, I see no incentive for phantasmaria not to admit that he cheated now, for all options left to him does not include the preservation of his scores.
I think it would be more about losing their name, and the trust of others.

KRZY wrote:

If you mean to suggest that my judgement of him for these past years have been wrong and I should trust you, the game master, more than him, then as you say, perhaps it is time I leave this game.
While this may sound horribly arrogant, you have it totally correct. If you really do not believe in me and cannot accept my judgement, then I believe a logical move is to leave. After all, if you don't trust me, you really shouldn't be running an app I made on your PC...

KRZY wrote:

This is just me getting personal because phantasmaria is a long friend of mine.
Understood. But also understand I do not get personal with my actions.

Mukku wrote:

Well osu! has auto login upon launching it so isn't it possible that someone else cheated while using Phantasmaria's computer or something like that?
No, I can assure you it was on their static IP address, on their account, using their PC. I confirmed this once when adding them to the cheater list, and again last night just to make sure.
Mara
16:57 <Dark_Layer> I am an android

This made my day.
Mukku

peppy wrote:

Mukku wrote:

Well osu! has auto login upon launching it so isn't it possible that someone else cheated while using Phantasmaria's computer or something like that?
No, I can assure you it was on their static IP address, on their account, using their PC. I confirmed this once when adding them to the cheater list, and again last night just to make sure.
Yes but I was talking about how Phantasmaria's friends are certain that the person himself would not cheat. After all, none of the things you confirmed when adding them to the cheater list can tell who it is the person sitting on the computer.

At least my osu! client automatically logs me in as Mukku. Whenever any of my friends or family members would launch osu! on my computer, they also would be logged in as Mukku.

That's the kind of thing I meant. I think.
xsrsbsns

peppy wrote:

I think it would be more about losing their name, and the trust of others.
So true. Also one of the reasons many people have thought of cheating but don't.

@Mukku: I don't think someone else using my computer and my account to cheat is a valid reason for my account not to be dealt with.

I'm not saying phantasmaria's a cheater. I don't know the guy.

Edit: rephrasing..
KRZY

peppy wrote:

SPOILER
16:53 < phantasmaria> 근데 지금와서 생각하니 좀 아까움 핵으로 밴 당하면 저는 뭐가됨
16:53 < [Exit]> 리듬 히어로 베낀 게임아님?
16:53 < [Gothic]> ㅇㅇ
16:53 < [Gothic]> 솔직히
16:53 < [Gothic]> 이거 저작권신고하면
16:53 < [Exit]> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
16:53 < [Gothic]> 페피 거지됨 ㅋ
16:53 < [Exit]> 근데 뭐 어쨌든
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16:53 < [Gothic]> 페피 좆 망 ㅋ
16:53 < [Exit]> 핵 의혹은 풀고 뭘 하든 해야지
16:53 <+BloodyLove> 마리아님이 나 밴하면 저작권드립한다고 하면 페피 무슨반응할까
16:53 < [Gothic]> ㅇㅇ
16:53 < [Exit]> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
16:53 < Soar> ..
16:53 < [Exit]> 핵쓴놈잌ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ이럴듯
16:53 < [Gothic]> 랄까 우선
16:54 < phantasmaria> 헐 ㅇㅅㅇ
16:54 < [Gothic]> 인증영상부터 ㄱㄱ
16:54 < Soar> 그렇게되면
16:54 < [Exit]> 아니면 네이버 검색
16:54 < Soar> 햇더의심받음
16:54 < [Gothic]> 인증영상이 시급한듯
16:54 < Shana> 영상부터 찍어야할듯
16:54 < [Exit]> 인증하는데 왠 핵
16:54 < Soar> 아니
16:54 < [Exit]> 우리가 철저하게 영상을 찍자고요
16:54 < Soar> 저작권드립
16:54 < [Exit]> 날짜 시간 확실히 해서
16:54 < [Exit]> 1등 먹자마자
16:54 < [Exit]> 1등 먹은 시간을
16:54 < phantasmaria> 으... 어느게 좋을려나 아 씨... 긴곡들은 다 한지 오래되서 기억도 안나는데 미치겠네
16:54 < [Exit]> 영상에 남기면
16:54 < Soar> 저작권드립하면 오히려더의심한다는거..
16:54 < [Gothic]> ㅇㅇ
16:54 < [Gothic]> 페피도 뭐라 못함
16:54 < [Exit]> 장난으로 한 소리임
16:54 <+BloodyLove> 교주님//그냥 스펙 걸어서 찍으면 되지않나요
16:55 < phantasmaria> 지금 일단 쉬운거 영상 한개찍어봄
16:55 < [Exit]> 우리가?
16:55 < [Exit]> 아니
16:55 < phantasmaria> 스펙하실분은 하세요
16:55 < [Exit]> - _-
16:55 < [Gothic]> 블러디//그건 안되
16:55 < Shana> 스펙으론 모르죠
16:55 < [Exit]> 스펙이 문제가 아니라
16:55 < [Exit]> 글면
16:55 < [Exit]> 핵쓴지 안쓴지 모르잖음
16:55 < Shana> ㅇㅇ
16:55 < phantasmaria> 쟤 플레이 영상찍을거임
16:55 < [Exit]> ㅇㅇ
16:55 < phantasmaria> 스펙 하실분은 하시라구요
16:55 < Shana> 영상을 찍어야해요 카메라로
16:55 < [Exit]> 내가 스펙으로 인증해줌
16:55 < Shana> 실제플레이.
16:55 < phantasmaria> 쟤 실제 플레이 카메라로
16:55 < phantasmaria> 찍을거임
16:55 < [Exit]> 내가다 화가나네
16:55 < Shana> 행운을 빕니다.
16:55 < [Exit]> 어이가없어 페피
16:55 < Dark_Layer> 이런적이 한두번이 아니니 ㅡ..
16:55 < phantasmaria> 근데 일단 아이폰으로 동영상찍는법을 알아내야되네 아...
16:55 < phantasmaria> 기계치 돋네 나
16:55 < [Exit]> 그거있잖음
16:55 < Dark_Layer> 그냥 찍으면댐;;
16:55 < Shana> 아이폰이면 영상 찍는거 많지않나
16:55 < [Exit]> 사진기 기능에 있잖음
16:55 <+BloodyLove> 마리아//아이폰 가지고있으면 충전기 껴놓고 할때마다 찍어놓으세요
16:55 < [Exit]> 어플도있겠고
16:55 < Dark_Layer> 그냥 카메라 눌러서
16:56 < Dark_Layer> 오른쪽 아래보면
16:56 < [Exit]> 내가 가서 찍어줄까? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ나디카있음ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
16:56 < Dark_Layer> 카메라모드랑 사진모드 있음
16:56 < moneto> ㅋㅋㅋ
16:56 < Shana> 오 좋ㄷ겟다
16:56 < phantasmaria> 헐 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
16:56 < [Exit]> 디카빌려줄까
16:56 < [Exit]> 동영상모드됨
16:56 < moneto> 집 가까워서 그런것도 가능하군
16:56 < [Gothic]> 아이폰3gs 면
16:56 < [Gothic]> 디카 추천
16:56 < phantasmaria> 일단 아이폰으로 찍어봄 지금 ㅋ
16:56 < Shana> 집가까워서 좋겟다
16:56 < [Exit]> ㅇㅇ
16:56 <+BloodyLove> 마리아님이랑 교주님 집 가까움?
16:56 < [Gothic]> 아이폰4 면
16:56 < [Gothic]> 아이폰4 추천
16:56 < [Exit]> 5분거리임
16:56 < Shana> HD돼니께
16:56 < phantasmaria> 아이폰 4임
16:56 < [Exit]> 굿
16:56 < [Gothic]> 아이폰4면
16:56 < Shana> 그럼 그냥그걸로찍어요
16:56 < [Gothic]> 디카필요없음
16:56 < [Exit]> 일단 시작
16:56 < [Gothic]> 화질 미친듯이 좋아
16:56 < Shana> 아이폰4면 디카없어도돼는디
16:56 < [Exit]> 근데 스펙켰는데 아무런 변화가 없어
16:56 < [Gothic]> ㅇㅇ
16:56 < [Gothic]> 나도 아이폰4
16:56 < [Gothic]> 화질 장난아님
16:56 < phantasmaria> 지금 동영상찍는법 찾는중이라 ㅋ
16:57 < [Exit]> 아니 학생들이 무슨 스마트폰이야
16:57 < [Gothic]> 카메라 들어가셔서
16:57 < Shana> 잘낫얻요ㅠㅠ 난 픽쳐폰임
16:57 < Dark_Layer> 아이폰 갖고프내 젭라
16:57 < yanclo> 어이쿠 잘못고름 ;;;
16:57 < [Gothic]> 우선
16:57 < [Gothic]> 카메라 들어가세요
16:57 < [Exit]> 난 코비
16:57 < [Exit]> 콜ㄹㄹㄹㄹㄹ비
16:57 < Dark_Layer> 난 안드로이드
16:57 < Shana> 난 쓰레기 ㅍ픽쳐폰
16:57 < Dark_Layer> 읭 ㅜ
16:57 < [Gothic]> 카메라 들어가시면
16:57 < phantasmaria> 들갔어요
16:57 < [Gothic]> 오른쪽 하단에
16:57 < [Gothic]> 카메라 모양하고
16:57 <+BloodyLove> 난 우월한 매직홀임 ㅇㅇ
16:57 < [Gothic]> 동영상 모양이 잇는데
16:57 < phantasmaria> 네
16:57 < [Exit]> 매직홀은 양산이잖아
16:57 <@ppy> !moderated on
16:57 < BanchoBot> Moderated mode has been enabled
16:57 <@ppy> seriously guys
16:57 <@ppy> you are taking this in the completely wrong direction
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Ah, I see how it went. That is rather embarrassing.
Mukku

xsrsbsns wrote:

@Mukku: I don't think someone else using my computer and my account to cheat is a valid reason for my account not to be dealt with.
I don't think so either. The scenario I described would be a scenario to explain Phantasmaria's innocence as well as the fact that Phantasmaria has been proven to have cheated.

But to be honest, I don't believe in that scenario at all. I think Phantasmaria cheated but just won't admit it. Who knows.
Daru

NoHItter wrote:

Calling out peppy for a duel...
I really want to see this.
Gabi

Daru wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

Calling out peppy for a duel...
I really want to see this.
Fanservice haha :)
Lunah_old
Why deny the obvious

:S

@KRZY : Yeah, may you know he/she on real, but you're not all time with him/her , I mean, you can't be 100% sure
Vish024
I can't believe some people have doubts and concerns over ppy's control, arbitration and decisions. It's his game, he knows what he's doing. We have no right to contradict or condemn it.
Ephemeral

LaVolpe024 wrote:

I can't believe some people have doubts and concerns over ppy's control, arbitration and decisions. It's his game, he knows what he's doing. We have no right to contradict or condemn it.
nobody is saying that peppy's word is 100% indomitable law and merely questioning him will net you banned - this is not some backwater MMO where the GM's are twelve year old children on a power trip. he sure knows what he's doing when it comes to managing his game, yes - but the moderation team exists primarily to handle the community as it is something that a developer simply does not have time to do.

unfortunately, when it comes to cheating, there are ways in which we can detect cheaters which is done on an automatic level with extremely little of our personal judgement involved. when high-profile cheaters are banned, it is not because the staff have sat around in a circlejerk and decided that this player is too good to be legit and start swinging the banhammer willy nilly - it is because cheating activities have been observed from this person consistently over a considerable period of time beforehand. peppy manages this system entirely and only developers have access to it - which should speak volumes about the system's integrity.

fighting such accusations is pointless. peppy is being rather nice offering score resets for people who admit the fact that they cheat instead of flat out banning them. i can't think of many developers who are that lenient to people whom are deliberately trying to harm the game and community they have made.
DeathxShinigami
To be honest, the whole score reset thing for cheating players is a gift I bet some non cheating users probably want...
bmin11

DeathxShinigami wrote:

To be honest, the whole score reset thing for cheating players is a gift I bet some non cheating users probably want...
They can cheat and admit if they want one
Kitsunemimi

bmin11 wrote:

DeathxShinigami wrote:

To be honest, the whole score reset thing for cheating players is a gift I bet some non cheating users probably want...
They can cheat and admit if they want one
Now we're gonna have random people coming in to bother peppy saying they've cheated ._. Also, I agree with what Ephemeral said
LuigiHann
I challenge peppy to a dance-off
jjrocks

LuigiHann wrote:

I challenge peppy to a dance-off
This will be written in history books as the most epic day ever.
Powerdrone
You know what this thread reminds me of?
Shellghost
I wouldn't doubt peppy if i were me.

If only this were the 80's when enforcing the law/rules was all fun and lawfull murder.

</shitstirring>
peppy
If we're going to go off-topic, I will lock this thread while it still has some integrity.
Shellghost
Nothing else can really be said about the OP or the #korean occurance.

That's probably best.
Mara
Shellghost is posting in this thread, so save it already before this thread is getting doomed.
Shellghost

Shellghost wrote:

Nothing else can really be said about the OP or the #korean occurance.

That's probably best.
Unless more people want to issue you a challenge.

You. Me. Limbo contest.FINAL DESTINATION
Miu Matsuoka
I'm 100% sure that peppy has his own way of proofing cheating
We can't doubt it.
moneto_old
The conversation ( :roll: ) was going nowhere. peppy was saying the same thing over and over again, and the people in #korean were too. Language barrier aside (I was actually translating), they just wouldn't accept the fact that phantasmaria turned up as a cheater according to ppy.
peppy made it pretty clear that:
1. He can't let the evidence be seen (for the sake of catching future cheaters)
2. No evidence by phantasmaria would be taken into consideration (Video/spectating)

and I made pretty damn sure to convey those in Korean to them, but they went on and on demanding evidence and how they would film a video of him playing, etc.
Neo@lex
Apparently osu! sends a list of processes to the server when you clear a map, which makes involuntary cheating hard to believe.
SilentKiller
After playing any map, osu! connects to the server and send your scores... and list of opened windows and running processes on your PC.
SilentKiller
Posting that this is not crap its how the information is shown. Let the public know.
Sinistro
The only public who would be interested in knowing more details besides "osu! sends a list of processes to the server when you clear a map" are those who would try to exploit this information for compromising osu! As I am not a programmer, I do not actually know if this specific piece of information can even be used like that, but I reason that exposing a closed source application's code is against the creator's wishes.

If anyone feels their trust as a user is challenged by either this process's existence or our wish to keep its workings undisclosed, they are free to stop using the application.
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