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Katahira Rina - Ketsuro [Taiko]

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Topic Starter
Aloda

Invective wrote:

Yo, M4M.

d = don, red note
k = kat, blue note
D = don finisher, big red note
K = kat finisher, big blue note

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General
Nice relaxing song.
I'm no timing expert but I think 1132 offset sounds a lot better. 1080 sounds fine to me, so I think I'll keep it unless someone else agrees with you
Was a little hard to follow what exactly was being mapped :?

Kantan
Most of these hitsound changes are based on vocal pitch but if that isn't your style feel free to disregard it. I've applied most of these
00:05:241 (8) - Change to k?
00:08:529 (14) - ^
00:13:460 (22) - ^
01:00:310 (108) - ^
01:05:241 (118,119,120,121,122) - Use ddkkd?
01:08:940 (121,122) - Ctrl+g?
01:10:173 (123,124,125,126,127,128) - kdd kdd? Or make it consistent with the patterns at 01:16:748
01:16:748 (140,141,142,143,144,145) - Ctrl+g? Or make it consistent with the patterns at 01:10:173
01:20:036 (146,147,148) - ^
Note count is a liiiiiiiiitle bit too much for this kinda calm song (imo)? Might wanna get a second opinion though. I agree that it's a little high for a Kantan, but since it's a lower bpm, I think it's okay. I have shhorted a few of the patterns in the Kiai like you suggested though
If you do simplify it, maybe shorten a few of the 1/1 patterns from 00:30:310 onwards, wouldn't hurt to give Kantan players a few more 2/1 breaks anyway. Consider deleting these notes, idk but you might have your own ideas.
00:31:953 (53) - 00:34:419 (58) - 00:38:529 (66) - 00:42:638 (75) - 00:50:036 (87) - 00:54:145 (96) - 00:58:255 (104) - 01:03:186 (114) - 01:15:515 (138) -
01:22:090 (151) -

Futsuu
The 1/2 looks overused for a Futsuu and probably should be toned down. You could also pair some of the 1/2 patterns with 2/1 or 3/2 breaks (not sure if there'll be any 3/2 but yeah) to give the player more time to react to the next patterns.
00:11:405 (29) - Change to k?
00:25:378 (67,68,69) - Ctrl+g?
00:45:926 (125) - Change to K?
00:46:748 (127) - ^ This was a finisher in the Kantan as well.
00:48:803 - May want to consider remapping kiai slightly, these 12 bars (approx) at the start of the kiai are way denser in terms of 1/2 beats than the section at 01:01:953, even though the music is essentially the same. Also consider that the density of the 1/2 at this point is greater than the Muzu. Like you could probably take these opening bars of the kiai and put it in the Muzu and it'd fit better. Removed a few notes at the start of the Kiai, I think it plays a lot smoother now

I'm gonna take this time to mention a few things overall. Note that this section of the music between the Muzu and Oni has a fairly big spike in difficulty; simple 1/2s (simpler than the Futsuu too) to multicolor 1/4 triplets in the Oni. Not to mention that the Muzu has sparing usage of 1/4 in the first place and you jump from having 4 uses of 1/4 triplets through the whole song (3 of which aren't even in kiai which should be the climax of the song) to 1/4 basically all over the second half. Something to consider. Yeah, the difficulty of the Muzu was one of my biggest concerns. I'll probably just remap the whole diff so it fits the set better

I'm not going into too much detail with the higher diffs individually atm since I think that they'll probably need to be changed, the spread between the diffs seems pretty weird as I've already explained.

Muzukashii
00:42:175 - This is up to you but imo keep the 1/4 in Muzu simple where possible, you probably want to stick to monocolor triplets or ddk/kkd might be ok since the BPM isn't too high. dkk is weird.
00:46:627 (146,147) - I'd say leave the 1/6 for Oni. Also allows you to use K to end that section, keeping it consistent between the diffs.
00:54:436 (166,167) - uw0tm8 pls change ._.
01:00:258 (188,189,190) - kkk no racist kek for simplicity?
01:08:408 (216,217) - If you're gonna keep this, delete 01:08:888 (218) as it follows the vocals better as well as providing a slightly longer break for the player.

Haven't changed anything here since I'm probs going to remap it anyway

Mayoni
1/4 in general feels a bit overdone for this song. It doesn't sound like there are that many sounds which are explicitly 1/4. For example the dddkd at 00:58:666 and the kkkkddkdd a short while afterwords, there aren't really any sounds on the blue ticks. Maybe you could try using 1/4 doubles rather than dddkd, like dd kd or dd dk. As for the longer pattern, you could map k's to the guitar (??) on the 1/2 ticks (so kdkdkdkdd having the last note as d to differentiate the drum from guitar) to at least make it clear what is being mapped to (idk but throwing some ideas around). Haven't changed any of this yet, but I'll consider it

So yeah, if you end up redoing some stuff lmk and I'll look over it again.

Hope it helps :D
Thanks a lot :)
Topic Starter
Aloda

[_Chichinya_] wrote:

M4M via your own queue

[General]

- you can't put customs names in the diff... so please fix Mayoni for Oni, you can put customs names when other person has make a GD for you XD My understanding is that the highest difficulty is allowed to have a non-standard name, but I've changed it to Oni anyway for clarity
- well... you need follow the k k k cuz this song need that rythm XD and only tell to you this... i mod all diff becuz that's the only sugest cuz all diff are good :3 but you need follow the pattern

[Mayoni]

I've applied most of these

- ctrl + g 00:01:284 (2,4) - sound better in my oppion xD
- change to d 00:03:134 (8) -
- change to k 00:03:545 (9) -
- change to k 00:05:189 (14) -
- ctrl + g here 00:06:216 (18,19) -
- ctrl + g here too 00:06:833 (20,21) -
- ctrl + g here too 00:08:888 (26,27) -
- change to d 00:09:915 (29) - and move that note for 00:09:504 (28) -
- ctrl + g 00:10:532 (31,32) -
- change to d 00:11:970 (36) - and this to k 00:12:586 (38) -
- same here 00:14:847 (44) - change to d and this too 00:15:463 (46) -

[Muzukashii]
- well XD same things like Oni Nothing changed here yet since I'm probably going to remap the diff

[Futsuu]

- ctrl + g 00:06:833 (17,18) - Done
- ^ 00:11:764 (31,32) - Done

[kantan]

looks good but XD read the General secction

[Comments]

The song is very very slow.. and for that you need follow the rhythm as much you can for make a GREAT diff :3 GL ranking this bro uvu

PD: NO KDS if you want :3
Thank you! I'll try to have your map done by the end of the day, but I'm a little busy today so it might take until tomorrow :? sorry.
Topic Starter
Aloda

Ayyri wrote:

Hello~

M4M for you! :D

Keep in mind, these are my suggestions, don't change something I mentioned unless it seems good to you! :)

Kantan
I've applied most of these
00:44:641 (79) - Change to kat sounds better with the rhythm at 00:45:463 (80,81,82,83) -
01:00:258 (108,109) - Have the same sound as 01:01:079 (110) - Change both to kats.
01:10:121 (127) - Change to kat, same sound as 01:10:943 (129) - and adds variety from the patterns before and after.
01:26:559 (159) - change to kat.
Futsuu
I've applied most of these
00:17:107 (44) - Change to don.
00:18:340 (47) - Change to kat.
00:26:148 (69) - Change to kat.
00:46:696 (127) - Change to big kat.
Consider changing 00:48:751 (128) - to a big don and removing 00:48:956 (129) - Since it's the beginning of the kiai, and it sound be more important than the rest of the song.
00:57:586 - Add a don
00:57:792 (161) - Change to kat.
01:00:052 (168) - Add a don.
01:10:121 (193) - Change to kat.
01:11:559 - Add a don.
01:23:271 (221) - Change to a big don.
01:25:943 - Add a don.
Muzukashi
Haven't changed anything yet since I'm likely going to remap the diff
00:11:764 (34) - Change to kat.
00:13:408 (39) - Change to kat.
00:18:340 (55) - Change to kat.
00:21:627 (66) - Change to kat.
00:23:271 (71) - Change to kat.
00:24:915 (76) - Change to kat.
00:27:792 (83,85) - Change to kats.
00:29:025 (87) - Change to don.
00:45:463 (143,144) - Change to big dons.
00:48:751 (148) - Change to big don.
01:08:888 (218) - Remove.
01:09:299 (219) - Change to kat.
01:23:271 (263) - Change to big don.
01:25:943 (269) - Add a don.

00:48:340 - Kiai isn't the same as the other diffs. Would be better to start at 00:48:751 (148) -
Mayoni
I've applied most of these.
00:01:901 (4) - Change to kat.
00:12:997 (39) - Add a kat.
00:13:614 - Add a don.
00:26:148 (82) - Change to kat.
00:26:559 (83,84,85) - Change to ddk.
00:27:792 (87) - Change to kat.
00:28:203 (88,89,90) - Change to kdk.
00:29:436 (92,93,94,95) - Doesn't really flow with the rhythm here. Maybe change to ddk. (Not using 1/6, using 1/4)
00:32:210 (104) - Remove.
00:32:312 (104,105) - Change to kats.
00:37:552 (126) - Remove.
00:44:230 (161) - Change to kat.
00:45:052 (166) - Change to kat.
00:49:573 (179) - Change to kat.
00:51:833 (192,193,194) - Change to kdk.
01:05:395 (272) - Change to kat.
01:06:833 (280) - Change to big don.
01:08:340 (283) - Remove.
01:08:408 (284) - Move to 01:08:374 -
01:22:244 - Add a don.
01:23:271 (353) - Change to big don.
01:26:148 (361) - Change to kat.
Thanks a lot for this :) I'll get your mod done as soon as I can :oops:
Topic Starter
Aloda
Muzu has been remapped along with small changes to other diffs to improve the spread
Skylish
NO KDS because I am just leaving some comments here.

Firstly, I agree with Invective's Offset (Offsest=1132). The current one although seems fit the vocal, Taiko's offset should be implanted on the drum set, not the guitar chord or vocal.

Secondly, I do not think this music can support an Oni difficulty because the mood is really relaxing with simple drum beats.

Thirdly, Audio needs not to use 100% due to the volume of drum set. I think 60~70% is a compromise here.
Etsu
Hello!

My modding...

don = d | kat = k
big don = D | big at = K
? = if you can add notes

General
  1. For me the best offset is 1,1230
  2. Kiai adjust if the offset was changed
  3. 00:48:595 - point preview

Kantan
00:04:417 (7) - change to d sounds better
00:06:061 (10) - change to k
00:06:883 (11,12,13) – control + g? sounds better combined with the voices
00:09:349 (15) - change to d
00:13:047 - add d?
00:27:020 - add d
00:27:431 (43) – delete
00:29:486 - add k?
00:40:171 - add k
00:38:938 (63) - change to d? Maybe this
00:50:856 (83) - change to d?
00:58:253 (97) - delete
01:04:006 (106) - change to d?
01:04:417 (107) - chande to k?
01:24:965 (143) - delete
01:26:198 (144) - delete?

Futsuu
00:06:061 - add d
00:13:047 - add k?
00:13:664 - add k
00:14:280 - add k
00:14:691 - add k
00:14:897 - add d
00:15:308 (41) - delete
00:19:006 (52) - delete and add d 00:19:417
00:24:760 (67) - delete
00:24:965 (67) - change to k
00:26:814 (72) - delete
00:30:308 (81) - change to d?
00:31:540 - add d
00:32:157 (87) - delete
00:42:225 (115,116,117,118,119,120) - ok I think that part is not necessary the big note, I understand that is a rhythm but not in this map
01:01:746 - add k?
01:13:458 - add d?
01:02:157 - add d
01:16:335 - add k
01:25:376 - add k?

Muzukashii
00:01:490 (2) - change to d
00:03:751 - add note
00:03:956 (11) – change to k
00:06:011 - add k
00:12:381 - add k?
00:16:901 - add k
00:24:504 - add k
00:46:696 (152) - delete? that you use it in diff oni, add big D
00:53:682 (174) - change to k
01:17:518 (263) - change to d
01:21:627 (279,280) - change to d?
01:25:943 - add d

Note: here will apply only original offset then you will change

Oni
00:01:335 (2) – change to k
00:02:568 – add k
00:03:595 (11) – change d
00:03:801 – add k
00:05:445 – add d?
00:07:499 – add k
00:11:198 – add k
00:13:047 – add d
00:15:308 – add d
00:37:910 – add d?
00:39:152 – add d?
00:51:061 – add k?
01:25:787 (365,366,367,368,369) – i like this

Note: This diff checked by a little fast because they do not know how the colors order I have little experience ;-;

00:48:801 - I think the kiai is not necessary since this music is slow and relaxation so there are not many instrument or heavy drums or try to cut up to 01:01:951

Good luck and nice map :)
Topic Starter
Aloda

Etsu wrote:

Hello!

My modding...

don = d | kat = k
big don = D | big at = K
? = if you can add notes

General
  1. For me the best offset is 1,1230
  2. Kiai adjust if the offset was changed
  3. 00:48:595 - point preview

Kantan
00:04:417 (7) - change to d sounds better
00:06:061 (10) - change to k
00:06:883 (11,12,13) – control + g? sounds better combined with the voices
00:09:349 (15) - change to d
00:13:047 - add d?
00:27:020 - add d
00:27:431 (43) – delete
00:29:486 - add k?
00:40:171 - add k
00:38:938 (63) - change to d? Maybe this
00:50:856 (83) - change to d?
00:58:253 (97) - delete
01:04:006 (106) - change to d?
01:04:417 (107) - chande to k?
01:24:965 (143) - delete
01:26:198 (144) - delete?

Futsuu
00:06:061 - add d
00:13:047 - add k?
00:13:664 - add k
00:14:280 - add k
00:14:691 - add k
00:14:897 - add d
00:15:308 (41) - delete
00:19:006 (52) - delete and add d 00:19:417
00:24:760 (67) - delete
00:24:965 (67) - change to k
00:26:814 (72) - delete
00:30:308 (81) - change to d?
00:31:540 - add d
00:32:157 (87) - delete
00:42:225 (115,116,117,118,119,120) - ok I think that part is not necessary the big note, I understand that is a rhythm but not in this map
01:01:746 - add k?
01:13:458 - add d?
01:02:157 - add d
01:16:335 - add k
01:25:376 - add k?

Muzukashii
00:01:490 (2) - change to d
00:03:751 - add note
00:03:956 (11) – change to k
00:06:011 - add k
00:12:381 - add k?
00:16:901 - add k
00:24:504 - add k
00:46:696 (152) - delete? that you use it in diff oni, add big D
00:53:682 (174) - change to k
01:17:518 (263) - change to d
01:21:627 (279,280) - change to d?
01:25:943 - add d

Note: here will apply only original offset then you will change

Oni
00:01:335 (2) – change to k
00:02:568 – add k
00:03:595 (11) – change d
00:03:801 – add k
00:05:445 – add d?
00:07:499 – add k
00:11:198 – add k
00:13:047 – add d
00:15:308 – add d
00:37:910 – add d?
00:39:152 – add d?
00:51:061 – add k?
01:25:787 (365,366,367,368,369) – i like this

Note: This diff checked by a little fast because they do not know how the colors order I have little experience ;-;

00:48:801 - I think the kiai is not necessary since this music is slow and relaxation so there are not many instrument or heavy drums or try to cut up to 01:01:951

Good luck and nice map :)
Thank you :) I have applied most of your suggestions!
Nyan
[Kantan]
It is good

[Futsuu]
00:30:721 (84) - add Finish
00:42:227 (117) - add Finish
00:42:638 (118,120) - detele
01:11:611 - add a note, no matter don or kat
01:14:899 - add a note
01:18:186 - add a note

[Muzukashii]
It is fine

[Oni]
Increase OD by 1 because this is highest difficulty
01:09:967 - add a kat
01:11:611 - add a don
Topic Starter
Aloda

Nyan wrote:

[Kantan]
It is good

[Futsuu]
00:30:721 (84) - add Finish
00:42:227 (117) - add Finish
00:42:638 (118,120) - detele
01:11:611 - add a note, no matter don or kat
01:14:899 - add a note
01:18:186 - add a note

[Muzukashii]
It is fine

[Oni]
Increase OD by 1 because this is highest difficulty
01:09:967 - add a kat
01:11:611 - add a don
These all sound good to me. I'll update the map soon. Thank you :)
Ayyri
Hello there~

Time for another M4M. :D

Keep in mind, these are my suggestions, don't change something I mentioned unless it seems good to you! :)

Kantan
00:44:282 - Add d.
01:06:885 (110) - Change to D.
01:20:036 (132) - Change to k.

Futsuu
Looks fine. :D

Muzukashii
01:08:940 (230,231) - ctrl+g

Oni
00:07:707 (22) - Change to k.
01:06:063 (271) - ^
Topic Starter
Aloda

Ayyri wrote:

Hello there~

Time for another M4M. :D

Keep in mind, these are my suggestions, don't change something I mentioned unless it seems good to you! :)

Kantan
00:44:282 - Add d. If this were any other difficulty, I'd agree but since it's a Kantan I'm keeping it as is
01:06:885 (110) - Change to D. Done
01:20:036 (132) - Change to k. Done

Futsuu
Looks fine. :D

Muzukashii
01:08:940 (230,231) - ctrl+g I prefer this as it is

Oni
00:07:707 (22) - Change to k. I think d fits better here to match the tone of the vocals
01:06:063 (271) - ^ Done
Thank you :)
Skylish
Hi, from my modding queue. Sorry for a super delay due to my busy real life.

[General]

> The notes consistencies are low among the difficulties, esp. Muzukashii.

> The notes patterns/ structures are different in Muzukashii and Oni. You can check that by pressing Ctrl+O to swap the difficulties in the same timing sessions. You can say that this is your style, but I do not feel that great though.

** I will mod based on Oni. Thus, Muzukashii will be out of track according to your mapping style.

[Oni]

> You may alternatively follow the notes patterns and notes in Futsuu because the latter is well mapped imo.

> 00:04:008 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19) - It sounds a bit weird because the notes seem lag behind the vocal. For example, 00:05:447 - , 00:04:214 - , they should be mapped with notes. If you decided to add notes on those timings, 00:04:625 (12) - can be deleted so as to make the structures become more obvious and clean.

> 00:07:501 - add a k? Vocal exists here.

> 00:10:789 - d can be added, but not necessary here because the inhaling sound can be omitted.

> 00:16:542 - shift this note to 00:16:131 - to match the guitar separated chord. Also, 00:16:542 - should be empty because there is no obvious BGM or vocal.

> 00:19:419 - k can be added, this is similar to the previous situation.

> 00:21:268 (70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80) - again, the vocal is not well mapped. I do not think that mapping completely based on the drum set or guitar is a great choice because their variations are pretty small. Try this?


> 00:28:871 - 00:29:282 - k can be put on them due to the guitar sound.

> 00:29:488 (97) - change to k? If you adopt my above suggestion, this should be k then, because d k d k d k dkd is brain-challenging.

> The drum kicks onward are not consistent. Sometimes they are d, sometimes they are k. Actually, it depends on the vocal and notes, thus I think it should not be a big problem here. However, I still want to notice it in case you did not aware of it.

> 00:33:597 (112) - try this?


> 00:37:090 - 00:37:193 - add d on these two timings to form a mono-d-triplet? This can form a similar pattern of notes comparing with that from 00:38:118 - to 00:38:940 - .

> 00:39:762 (144) - change to k, sounds better.

> 00:39:864 (145,146) - are unnecessary. Please delete them. Also, the deletion of these two notes can emphasize more on the kick at 00:39:762 - .

> 00:44:693 (168,169,170) - kkd? If kdk is used again with in a short period of time, that would be a bit boring. Moreover, 00:44:899 (170) - if this is d, it can emphasize 00:45:104 (171) - (k).

> 00:46:748 (176,177) - I really doubt this 1/6 pattern since the sound is just a hard cymbal crash and it should be just a simple K. 00:46:816 - it should be deleted.

> 00:50:447 (187) - change to k? the vocal (la) sounds the highest. <-- If you adopt it, you may change 00:50:858 (189) - to d to avoid the accumulation uses of k.

> 00:53:529 (204,205) - ctrl+G, 00:53:529 (204) - is d, 00:53:734 (205) - is k.

> 00:54:351 (208) - delete this note to leave a rest. This should be a blank.

> 00:54:967 (211) - is k. I was afraid that I made a chaos while modding.

> 00:55:173 - 00:55:275 - dk can be added, so that a dkd is formed in a triplet. There should some notes here due to the existences of vocal.

> 00:59:899 (240,241) - ctrl+G, follow the pitch of vocal.

> 01:00:310 (242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250) - The stream can be kkkkddddk which is just neatly mapped.

> 01:04:625 - delete this note. Same reason as above case.

> 01:04:214 (268,269) - ctrl+G? k at last can emphasize the drum kick.

> 01:04:830 (270,271) - ctrl+G? d k match the pitch of vocal.

> 01:10:789 - add a k here to match the vocal.

> 01:13:255 - 01:13:358 - add kd to form a triplet of kdk. This can create a similar pattern comparing with the previous pattern.

> 01:14:282 (314) - try this?
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> 01:18:186 (336) - add a k here, vocal existence.

> 01:19:316 (343,344) - unnecessary notes, please delete them.

> 01:19:727 (344) - 01:19:830 (345) - add dk to form a triplet of kdk. A similar start of a phase comparing with others. (01:16:748 (327,328,329) - is kdk)

> 01:26:611 (370) - change to d, the guitar pitch decreases.

[Muzukashii]

> I will leave it to you because you can see that the patterns and structures are completely different from Oni. It is not necessary for me to make a super long list of mod. You can fix it by your own based on the suggestion of Oni.

[Futsuu]

> check notes consistencies!!!

> 00:12:227 (34) - change to k, 00:12:227 (34) - is higher than 00:11:816 (33) -

> 00:18:803 (51) - change to d, 00:19:214 (52,53) - should be k k. The suggestion make the notes sound better.

> 00:29:899 (82) - cange to d, according to the pitch of vocal.

> 00:34:419 (94) - change to d, let 00:34:830 (95) - stand out.

> 00:36:268 (100,102) - are unnecessary, please remove them.

> 00:37:090 - d can be added.

> 00:38:734 (107) - k can be added. These tewo added notes can increase the notes density to compensate the deletion of notes in the previous time.

> 00:39:351 (109) - change to k, according to the pitch.

> 00:40:173 (111,112) - ctrl+G, d k as a result.

> 00:39:556 - delete this note since it may mask 00:39:762 (110) - .

> 00:41:200 - maybe you would like to add a d on it in order not to make the patterns become so blend.

> 00:40:584 (112) - try this:
It is based on Kantan which is well mapped. 00:42:227 (117) - is not a K but a k.

> 00:45:515 (123) - change to K. While, 00:45:515 (123,124,125,126) - should be Finishes.

> 00:49:830 (131) - shift it to 00:50:241 - and change it to d.

> 00:50:858 (134) - change it to d. Then, the overall structure looks better.

> 00:53:118 (142) - shift it to 00:53:529 - .

> 00:53:734 (144) - change to k. Again, similar case in 00:49:625 (130,131,132,133,134,135,136) -

> In the next phase, you may fix the pattern by your own whether you adopt my suggestion or not.

> 01:06:885 (187) - use a Finish because Kantan and Oni are Finishes here.

> 01:26:200 (228) - change to k

[Kantan]

> 00:28:666 (45,46) - ctrl+G, due to the pitch

> 00:45:515 (73,74,75,76) - all should be Finishes.

> 01:26:200 (143) - change to k.

I think that's should be enough because the consistencies of notes is a huge problem imo. I repeat: if this, not concerning on consistency, is your style, then you may neglect most of my suggestion. I hope my mod is still helpful! :)
Topic Starter
Aloda

Skylish wrote:

Hi, from my modding queue. Sorry for a super delay due to my busy real life. No worries :D

[General]

> The notes consistencies are low among the difficulties, esp. Muzukashii.

> The notes patterns/ structures are different in Muzukashii and Oni. You can check that by pressing Ctrl+O to swap the difficulties in the same timing sessions. You can say that this is your style, but I do not feel that great though.

** I will mod based on Oni. Thus, Muzukashii will be out of track according to your mapping style.

[Oni]

> You may alternatively follow the notes patterns and notes in Futsuu because the latter is well mapped imo.

> 00:04:008 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19) - It sounds a bit weird because the notes seem lag behind the vocal. For example, 00:05:447 - , 00:04:214 - , they should be mapped with notes. If you decided to add notes on those timings, 00:04:625 (12) - can be deleted so as to make the structures become more obvious and clean. Sounds good to me. Changed

> 00:07:501 - add a k? Vocal exists here. Added

> 00:10:789 - d can be added, but not necessary here because the inhaling sound can be omitted. Added

> 00:16:542 - shift this note to 00:16:131 - to match the guitar separated chord. Also, 00:16:542 - should be empty because there is no obvious BGM or vocal. Done

> 00:19:419 - k can be added, this is similar to the previous situation. Added

> 00:21:268 (70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80) - again, the vocal is not well mapped. I do not think that mapping completely based on the drum set or guitar is a great choice because their variations are pretty small. Try this?
Changed

> 00:28:871 - 00:29:282 - k can be put on them due to the guitar sound. Added

> 00:29:488 (97) - change to k? If you adopt my above suggestion, this should be k then, because d k d k d k dkd is brain-challenging. Changed

> The drum kicks onward are not consistent. Sometimes they are d, sometimes they are k. Actually, it depends on the vocal and notes, thus I think it should not be a big problem here. However, I still want to notice it in case you did not aware of it.

> 00:33:597 (112) - try this?
Sounds good, changed

> 00:37:090 - 00:37:193 - add d on these two timings to form a mono-d-triplet? This can form a similar pattern of notes comparing with that from 00:38:118 - to 00:38:940 - . Added

> 00:39:762 (144) - change to k, sounds better. Changed

> 00:39:864 (145,146) - are unnecessary. Please delete them. Also, the deletion of these two notes can emphasize more on the kick at 00:39:762 - . Removed

> 00:44:693 (168,169,170) - kkd? If kdk is used again with in a short period of time, that would be a bit boring. Moreover, 00:44:899 (170) - if this is d, it can emphasize 00:45:104 (171) - (k). Changed

> 00:46:748 (176,177) - I really doubt this 1/6 pattern since the sound is just a hard cymbal crash and it should be just a simple K. 00:46:816 - it should be deleted. Changed

> 00:50:447 (187) - change to k? the vocal (la) sounds the highest. <-- If you adopt it, you may change 00:50:858 (189) - to d to avoid the accumulation uses of k. Sounds good, changed

> 00:53:529 (204,205) - ctrl+G, 00:53:529 (204) - is d, 00:53:734 (205) - is k. Changed

> 00:54:351 (208) - delete this note to leave a rest. This should be a blank. This sounds a little weird to me blank, but I've changed it for the sake of having a rest

> 00:54:967 (211) - is k. I was afraid that I made a chaos while modding.

> 00:55:173 - 00:55:275 - dk can be added, so that a dkd is formed in a triplet. There should some notes here due to the existences of vocal. I like this. Added

> 00:59:899 (240,241) - ctrl+G, follow the pitch of vocal. Changed

> 01:00:310 (242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250) - The stream can be kkkkddddk which is just neatly mapped. I'm keeping this as is for now. I'll change it if someone else agrees with your suggestion

> 01:04:625 - delete this note. Same reason as above case. Removed

> 01:04:214 (268,269) - ctrl+G? k at last can emphasize the drum kick. Changed

> 01:04:830 (270,271) - ctrl+G? d k match the pitch of vocal. I guess, changed

> 01:10:789 - add a k here to match the vocal. Added

> 01:13:255 - 01:13:358 - add kd to form a triplet of kdk. This can create a similar pattern comparing with the previous pattern. Added

> 01:14:282 (314) - try this?
are unn Changed

> 01:18:186 (336) - add a k here, vocal existence. Added

> 01:19:316 (343,344) - unnecessary notes, please delete them. Removed

> 01:19:727 (344) - 01:19:830 (345) - add dk to form a triplet of kdk. A similar start of a phase comparing with others. (01:16:748 (327,328,329) - is kdk) Added

> 01:26:611 (370) - change to d, the guitar pitch decreases. Changed

[Muzukashii]

> I will leave it to you because you can see that the patterns and structures are completely different from Oni. It is not necessary for me to make a super long list of mod. You can fix it by your own based on the suggestion of Oni.

[Futsuu]

> check notes consistencies!!!

> 00:12:227 (34) - change to k, 00:12:227 (34) - is higher than 00:11:816 (33) - Changed

> 00:18:803 (51) - change to d, 00:19:214 (52,53) - should be k k. The suggestion make the notes sound better. Sounds good, changed

> 00:29:899 (82) - cange to d, according to the pitch of vocal. I'm really not sure about this one. I'm keeping it as is for now

> 00:34:419 (94) - change to d, let 00:34:830 (95) - stand out. Changed

> 00:36:268 (100,102) - are unnecessary, please remove them. Removed

> 00:37:090 - d can be added. Added

> 00:38:734 (107) - k can be added. These tewo added notes can increase the notes density to compensate the deletion of notes in the previous time. Added

> 00:39:351 (109) - change to k, according to the pitch. Changed

> 00:40:173 (111,112) - ctrl+G, d k as a result. Changed

> 00:39:556 - delete this note since it may mask 00:39:762 (110) - . Removed

> 00:41:200 - maybe you would like to add a d on it in order not to make the patterns become so blend. Sounds good, added

> 00:40:584 (112) - try this:
It is based on Kantan which is well mapped. 00:42:227 (117) - is not a K but a k. Changed

> 00:45:515 (123) - change to K. While, 00:45:515 (123,124,125,126) - should be Finishes. Changed 00:45:515 (123) to k, but I don't like putting 1/2 finishers in a Futsuu

> 00:49:830 (131) - shift it to 00:50:241 - and change it to d. Done

> 00:50:858 (134) - change it to d. Then, the overall structure looks better. Changed

> 00:53:118 (142) - shift it to 00:53:529 - . Moved

> 00:53:734 (144) - change to k. Again, similar case in 00:49:625 (130,131,132,133,134,135,136) - Changed

> In the next phase, you may fix the pattern by your own whether you adopt my suggestion or not.

> 01:06:885 (187) - use a Finish because Kantan and Oni are Finishes here. Added finisher and removed 01:06:679 (186) -

> 01:26:200 (228) - change to k Changed

[Kantan]

All changed

> 00:28:666 (45,46) - ctrl+G, due to the pitch

> 00:45:515 (73,74,75,76) - all should be Finishes.

> 01:26:200 (143) - change to k.

I think that's should be enough because the consistencies of notes is a huge problem imo. I repeat: if this, not concerning on consistency, is your style, then you may neglect most of my suggestion. I hope my mod is still helpful! :) Yeah, consistency was my biggest worry with the mapset. I'll see what I can do about making the muzu fit in better
Very good mod, it helped a lot :) Thank you!
mintong89
Hello, mod from my queue.

[General]
Your timing is doubled. The timing is actually just BPM 73 if you follow the drum properly (as you may hear in BPM 73, 00:01:132 - this is drum kick and 00:01:953 - and this is drum snare, this is followed the 2-4 stanza rule or nightcore rule.)
I feel that volume of hitsound is too loud, it should decrease about 20-40% imo.

[Oni]
I don't how to talk to this. Firstly, the song is really quiet and relaxed but you put a lot of unnecessary thing that unrelated or didn't fit the song such a 01:00:310 (243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250,251) - these notes or 00:49:008 (180,181,182) - these, the song don't even have this kind of rhythm which makes it like overmapped. Yes, the song does have 1/8 drum rhythm, but you didn't follow it, such as 01:08:734 - this place should have a note because of drum kick. This sound hurt or disappointing but I think this diff is overmapped and should be remap/reduce a lot of 1/8 notes.

and thus, I can't really mod it because there's too much unfitting note that didn't fit to song.

[Muzukashii]
Again, the general problem is same as Oni.
And according to this guide or my knowledge, the Muzukashii shouldn't be too much mixed colour 1/4 such as ddk kkd dkd kdk because those are too hard for Muzukashii player.

It applies to Futsuu and Kantan too. Your map actually isn't bad but it just doesn't fit to the song.
I can give the detailed mod if you want, but at here I just give the general problem for better understand.
Good luck!
IControl
iControl's mod

Kantan
00:02:364 (3) -
00:04:008 (6) - remove I feel like your mapping to lyrics? not sure but while mapping to rhythm these aren't in the song


00:06:063 (10) - d sounds lower


00:07:296 (12) - remove Mapping to rhythm again. Mapping to the gutiar while there is a clear drum pattern going on doesn't seem right to me. Try to applie these changes for the rest of the map


00:30:721 (48) - K The vocals sound really strong here


00:31:132 (49) - remove Just another example when you are mapping to lyrics which doesn't sound good imo.


00:45:926 (74,75) - k d Not as strong as the other notes.


01:08:529 (112,113) - remove this would be a good place for a break for the new players. Also these aren't the most important notes in the song.


01:21:063 - you could add d here 1/2 beat snap divisor


01:24:145 (140,141) - these should be d sounds the same as 01:23:323 (139) -

Overall I think your over mapping way to much for slow song. I was going to map other diff but it seems to be the same general issues. Also its 73 bpm and I mod don't map under 130 bpm. I'm not trying to stop from mapping this song if you really like it but I don't this really fits into the taiko game mod. Maybe try the op of Mayoiga? Either way I think you should try harder to map to the rhythm and read some taiko mapping guides.

Good luck :)
Stefan
Man, I am really sorry for being that late.

[Oni]
00:09:145 - What about a k note here? it fits well with the vocals and currently the flow feels somewhat weird here.
00:10:584 (33,35) - Swap hitsounds to fit better with the song.
00:16:953 (55) - I'd prefer the transistion to 00:16:748 (54,56) - than having a note in-between. Move (55) to 00:17:364 - which sounds by far better imo.
00:17:981 (58,59) - I honestly don't really understand the usage of k's here, It's good to use it for the guitar riff on 00:18:392 (60) - and 00:18:803 (62) - for the vocals/good rhythm usage, make (58,59) as d d.
00:20:241 (67,68) - sounds much cooler if you switch their hitsounds, with 00:19:214 (63,64,65) - before the dkd kdk sound is really cool to play and sound-wise.
00:21:268 (70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81) - This part could be a bit changed by improving your idea of 1/2 k notes: http://puu.sh/oR02S/2244c35668.jpg
00:30:926 (105) - Sounds more about to play k k d on 00:31:132 - , move (105) to 00:31:337 - .
00:33:597 (114) - I'd go with this note to 00:33:392 - and change as d then, it's sound-wise more interesting.
00:36:885 - 00:39:762 - Honestly said, I don't find this section very well emphasized, the triplets works really awkward with the music and a lot of potential gets lost, I've tried that and that's pretty good imo: http://puu.sh/oR0Ke/4d7ff35b3b.jpg
00:44:077 (167) - kdk doesn't fits here well, try kdd instead.
00:44:796 (171) - Also here, you either could make this as kdd or remove the 1/4 here completely, both sounds okay.
00:49:008 (180,181) - Basically I don't mind to have a triplet quite fast after the downbeat but it really doesn't sounds good in this song, you should leave some space here and remove (180,181).
00:50:652 (190) - I'd rather leave this empty, 00:50:447 (189) - has a better impact imo then.
00:51:166 (193) - I think ddk works better here, the guitar riff doesn't suits for unusual things such as dkk or kkd.
00:51:885 (196) - Rather go with ddk instead of kdk.
01:00:310 (241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249) - That's not good. It sounds and plays really really forced and not how the song sounds like. You don't need to put stream patterns if the song doesn't offers it.

Personally said I had huge doubts about the dense of the map and the usage of triplets and even stream pattern for this song. Yes, some parts could make use of triplets but that's like as many you can count up on your hand. Also what I've noticed is the weird flow the map has for the most time. I see you're mainly following the guitar riffs and the background music, yet the vocals could also be mapped more without losing the focus on the background music.

[Muzukashii - Futsuu - Kantan]
So Muzukashii - Futsuu provides the biggest problems in the mapset. The biggest one is the similarity of these two difficulties which are to 70% at least the same. The simpliest thing would be to nerf the Futsuu Difficulty for a lot since making Muzukashii harder is pretty pointless. I made thoughts about the mapset how you could've designed it well and came to this conclusion:

  1. Muzukashii should be a nerfed version of the Oni which consist lesser note density and no Triplets - yes, that might be hard if you look how many triplets you used in Oni but like said, you don't need so many Triplets in that case. Lesser is more.
  2. Futsuu should have a even lesser note density and provide more breaks. (1/1 in that case) it ensures a newer player doesn't gets tired up playing your map and have a more comfortable game experience.
  3. I didn't pointed out about Kantan but general said, you should design this Difficulty as some kind of Tutorial level - because most players even if they're new skip Kantan Difficulties being too easy at all. But for these which are getting beaten up by the Futsuu level they have the Kantan Level which teachs them simple rhythm, enough rest time and preferably to only make use of k notes when it fits to 100%. I've checked the Kantan Difficulty before and it doesn't really suits to the things above I said.
If you follow the suggestion to re-do futsuu and to reduce the density in all difficulties I'd gladly come back and mod your map again just to give a proper mod to your mapset. Oh and yes, I also believe 73 BPM is rather correct than 146, it really doesn't feel like a 146 BPM track.
Topic Starter
Aloda

Stefan wrote:

Man, I am really sorry for being that late. No worries

[Oni]
00:09:145 - What about a k note here? it fits well with the vocals and currently the flow feels somewhat weird here. Okay
00:10:584 (33,35) - Swap hitsounds to fit better with the song. Sure
00:16:953 (55) - I'd prefer the transistion to 00:16:748 (54,56) - than having a note in-between. Move (55) to 00:17:364 - which sounds by far better imo. Sounds good
00:17:981 (58,59) - I honestly don't really understand the usage of k's here, It's good to use it for the guitar riff on 00:18:392 (60) - and 00:18:803 (62) - for the vocals/good rhythm usage, make (58,59) as d d. Okay. I think it might actually sound better if I remove 00:18:186 (59) too
00:20:241 (67,68) - sounds much cooler if you switch their hitsounds, with 00:19:214 (63,64,65) - before the dkd kdk sound is really cool to play and sound-wise. Sure
00:21:268 (70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81) - This part could be a bit changed by improving your idea of 1/2 k notes: http://puu.sh/oR02S/2244c35668.jpg Sounds good
00:30:926 (105) - Sounds more about to play k k d on 00:31:132 - , move (105) to 00:31:337 - . Agreed
00:33:597 (114) - I'd go with this note to 00:33:392 - and change as d then, it's sound-wise more interesting. This feels pretty awkard to me
00:36:885 - 00:39:762 - Honestly said, I don't find this section very well emphasized, the triplets works really awkward with the music and a lot of potential gets lost, I've tried that and that's pretty good imo: http://puu.sh/oR0Ke/4d7ff35b3b.jpg Changed to something different based on your suggestion
00:44:077 (167) - kdk doesn't fits here well, try kdd instead. Okay
00:44:796 (171) - Also here, you either could make this as kdd or remove the 1/4 here completely, both sounds okay. Removed the 1/4
00:49:008 (180,181) - Basically I don't mind to have a triplet quite fast after the downbeat but it really doesn't sounds good in this song, you should leave some space here and remove (180,181). Makes sense, removed
00:50:652 (190) - I'd rather leave this empty, 00:50:447 (189) - has a better impact imo then.
00:51:166 (193) - I think ddk works better here, the guitar riff doesn't suits for unusual things such as dkk or kkd. Sure
00:51:885 (196) - Rather go with ddk instead of kdk. Okay
01:00:310 (241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249) - That's not good. It sounds and plays really really forced and not how the song sounds like. You don't need to put stream patterns if the song doesn't offers it. Honestly, whenever I've played the map, this stream feels natural and intuitive. I'll ask some other people about it, but I really think it's fine.

Personally said I had huge doubts about the dense of the map and the usage of triplets and even stream pattern for this song. Yes, some parts could make use of triplets but that's like as many you can count up on your hand. Also what I've noticed is the weird flow the map has for the most time. I see you're mainly following the guitar riffs and the background music, yet the vocals could also be mapped more without losing the focus on the background music. Looking at it now, I can agree that it is a little too dense. I'll have a look and see what I can change. Also, I really don't like mapping to the vocals. It just feels very awkward to me.

[Muzukashii - Futsuu - Kantan]
So Muzukashii - Futsuu provides the biggest problems in the mapset. The biggest one is the similarity of these two difficulties which are to 70% at least the same. The simpliest thing would be to nerf the Futsuu Difficulty for a lot since making Muzukashii harder is pretty pointless. I made thoughts about the mapset how you could've designed it well and came to this conclusion:

  1. Muzukashii should be a nerfed version of the Oni which consist lesser note density and no Triplets - yes, that might be hard if you look how many triplets you used in Oni but like said, you don't need so many Triplets in that case. Lesser is more.
  2. Futsuu should have a even lesser note density and provide more breaks. (1/1 in that case) it ensures a newer player doesn't gets tired up playing your map and have a more comfortable game experience.
  3. I didn't pointed out about Kantan but general said, you should design this Difficulty as some kind of Tutorial level - because most players even if they're new skip Kantan Difficulties being too easy at all. But for these which are getting beaten up by the Futsuu level they have the Kantan Level which teachs them simple rhythm, enough rest time and preferably to only make use of k notes when it fits to 100%. I've checked the Kantan Difficulty before and it doesn't really suits to the things above I said.
I've nerfed the Futsuu and made it more consistent with the Muzu. I haven't changed the Muzu yet, but I'll look into it.

If you follow the suggestion to re-do futsuu and to reduce the density in all difficulties I'd gladly come back and mod your map again just to give a proper mod to your mapset. Oh and yes, I also believe 73 BPM is rather correct than 146, it really doesn't feel like a 146 BPM track.
Thank you!
Topic Starter
Aloda
Note densities in Muzu and Oni have been lowered slightly (although I should probably lower it a bit more) :o
kogasa_old_1
hiya! here from my modding queue.

[General]
  1. i have to agree that the bpm is definitely doubled. the bpm should be 73, not 146. :?
  2. theres a lot of triplets in the oni difficulty that just dont fit the song, especially since its very quiet and calm. it feels very overmapped at some parts.

[ Kantan]
  1. 00:04:419 (6) - k
  2. 00:05:241 (7) - ^
  3. 00:05:652 (8) - d
  4. 00:17:570 (26) - k
  5. 00:17:570 (26) - ^
  6. 00:52:090 (81,82,83) - kdk
  7. 00:54:145 (85) - d

[ Futsuu]
  1. 00:05:652 (10) - kkd
  2. 00:17:364 (38) - k
    00:24:967 (55) - ^
  3. 00:26:611 (58,59,60) - kdk
  4. 00:28:255 (61) - k
  5. 00:31:542 (67) - k
  6. 00:37:707 (78) - d
  7. 00:45:104 (94) - remove, too busy for futsuu, and feels a bit unnecessary. without it, it puts more emphasis on the beat of the song and 00:45:515 (94,95,96,97) - feels more empactful.
  8. oh holy shit things way too dense for a futsuu at the kiai
  9. 00:50:241 (104) - remove
  10. 00:50:447 (105) - d
  11. 00:50:858 (106,107) - remove, adds break
  12. 00:52:296 (111) - remove (this also subtly puts more emphasis on the "saaaa")
  13. 00:53:323 (114,115) - remove
  14. 00:54:351 (118) - remove
  15. 00:56:611 (125) - k
  16. 00:57:022 (126) - d
  17. 00:57:638 (128) - remove
  18. 00:59:077 (132) - remove (subtly adds emphasis on 00:59:488 (133) as well)
  19. 01:01:542 (138) - d
  20. 01:01:748 (139) - remove, unnecessary and too long of a pattern

[ Muzukashii]
  1. 00:05:241 (11,12,13) - kkd
  2. 00:09:351 (24) - d
  3. 00:09:762 (25) - ^
  4. 00:10:584 (28,29,30) - kkd
  5. 00:11:816 (32,33,34) - ^
  6. 00:15:926 (44) - d
  7. 00:16:748 (45) - k
  8. 00:20:036 (55) - ^
  9. 00:21:679 (60) - ^ (lands on a snare)
  10. 00:23:529 (67) - remove, putting more emphasis on 00:23:323 (66)
  11. 00:28:255 (79) - k
  12. 00:29:693 (85) - ^
  13. 00:30:721 (88,89,90) - kdd
  14. 00:31:542 (91) - k
  15. 00:31:953 (92,93,94) - kdd
  16. 00:33:187 (96) - k
  17. 00:34:008 (100) - d
  18. 00:36:372 (108) - i really dont hear anything in the song suggesting this be here...
  19. 00:37:707 (113) - d (also subtly adds emphasis on 00:38:118 (114) )
  20. 00:53:631 (162) - again, i dont really hear anything suggesting this be here...
  21. 01:00:207 (188) - ^^^
  22. 01:01:028 (192) - ^^^^^
  23. 01:04:008 (205,206,207) - kdk
  24. 01:08:734 - add d
  25. 01:10:173 (226,227,228,229,230) - kkddk
  26. 01:11:816 (232,233,234,235,236) - ^^^
  27. 01:16:748 (251,252,253,254,255) - ^^^
  28. 01:19:008 (260) - d
  29. 01:19:625 (262) - ^
  30. 01:20:858 (267) - k
  31. 01:20:036 (263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271) - i think this fits the drums better, but if youre trying to map the vocals then feel free to ignore this suggestion!

[ Oni]
  1. 00:23:734 (80,81,82) - ddk
  2. 00:24:556 (83,84,85) - ^^^
  3. 00:25:584 - add d
  4. 00:25:995 (89) - ^
  5. 00:29:899 (105) - k
  6. 00:34:830 (123) - ^
  7. 00:35:036 (124,125) - d
  8. 00:36:474 (131) - k
  9. 00:37:707 (135) - d
  10. 00:52:707 (194,195,196) - ddk (the kat placement here just doesnt make sense...)
  11. 00:55:173 (204,205,206) - ^^^
  12. 00:56:200 (210) - k
  13. 00:56:611 (212) - d
  14. 00:58:974 (224) - ^
  15. 00:59:282 (226) - ^ the kat placement still doesnt make sense, but like this i feel it puts more emphasis on that next kat
  16. 01:00:104 (230) - ^
  17. 01:02:159 (243,244,245) - 01:02:981 (248,249,250) - i honestly do not think these triplets are necessary/fitting at all, especially with the kdk patterns.
  18. 01:05:241 (259,260,261) - ^^^
  19. 01:08:323 (269,270,271) - kkd
  20. 01:11:303 (283) - remove
  21. 01:12:125 (288) - ^
  22. 01:13:358 (294) - ^
  23. 01:15:207 (306) - ^
  24. 01:17:673 (319) - ^

of course, these are all mostly just suggestions, so...

i'm sorry if i couldn't be of much help x_x

good luck with your mapset!
Topic Starter
Aloda

kogasa wrote:

hiya! here from my modding queue.

[General]
  1. i have to agree that the bpm is definitely doubled. the bpm should be 73, not 146. :?
  2. theres a lot of triplets in the oni difficulty that just dont fit the song, especially since its very quiet and calm. it feels very overmapped at some parts.

[ Kantan]
  1. 00:04:419 (6) - k Sure
  2. 00:05:241 (7) - ^ Disagree
  3. 00:05:652 (8) - d Okay
  4. 00:17:570 (26) - k Done
  5. 00:17:570 (26) - ^
  6. 00:52:090 (81,82,83) - kdk Disagree
  7. 00:54:145 (85) - d Sure

[ Futsuu]
  1. 00:05:652 (10) - kkd Sounds good
  2. 00:17:364 (38) - k Changed 00:17:570 (39) instead
    00:24:967 (55) - ^ Disagree
  3. 00:26:611 (58,59,60) - kdk Sure
  4. 00:28:255 (61) - k Disagree
  5. 00:31:542 (67) - k Okay
  6. 00:37:707 (78) - d Done
  7. 00:45:104 (94) - remove, too busy for futsuu, and feels a bit unnecessary. without it, it puts more emphasis on the beat of the song and 00:45:515 (94,95,96,97) - feels more empactful. I can agree with this
  8. oh holy shit things way too dense for a futsuu at the kiai
  9. 00:50:241 (104) - remove Disagree
  10. 00:50:447 (105) - d Okay
  11. 00:50:858 (106,107) - remove, adds break Removed 00:50:858 (105,106) instead
  12. 00:52:296 (111) - remove (this also subtly puts more emphasis on the "saaaa") Moved to 00:51:885 instead
  13. 00:53:323 (114,115) - remove
  14. 00:54:351 (118) - remove
  15. 00:56:611 (125) - k Done
  16. 00:57:022 (126) - d Done
  17. 00:57:638 (128) - remove Disagree
  18. 00:59:077 (132) - remove (subtly adds emphasis on 00:59:488 (133) as well) Sounds good
  19. 01:01:542 (138) - d Disagree
  20. 01:01:748 (139) - remove, unnecessary and too long of a pattern Sure

[ Muzukashii]
  1. 00:05:241 (11,12,13) - kkd Changed
  2. 00:09:351 (24) - d Okay
  3. 00:09:762 (25) - ^ Disagree
  4. 00:10:584 (28,29,30) - kkd Sure
  5. 00:11:816 (32,33,34) - ^ Ended up just removing 33
  6. 00:15:926 (44) - d Okay
  7. 00:16:748 (45) - k Sure
  8. 00:20:036 (55) - ^ Sure
  9. 00:21:679 (60) - ^ (lands on a snare) Okay
  10. 00:23:529 (67) - remove, putting more emphasis on 00:23:323 (66) Removed
  11. 00:28:255 (79) - k Changed
  12. 00:29:693 (85) - ^ No
  13. 00:30:721 (88,89,90) - kdd Agree
  14. 00:31:542 (91) - k Okay
  15. 00:31:953 (92,93,94) - kdd I guess
  16. 00:33:187 (96) - k Disagree
  17. 00:34:008 (100) - d ^
  18. 00:36:372 (108) - i really dont hear anything in the song suggesting this be here... I agree
  19. 00:37:707 (113) - d (also subtly adds emphasis on 00:38:118 (114) ) Sure
  20. 00:53:631 (162) - again, i dont really hear anything suggesting this be here... Agree
  21. 01:00:207 (188) - ^^^ ^
  22. 01:01:028 (192) - ^^^^^ I guess
  23. 01:04:008 (205,206,207) - kdk Disagree
  24. 01:08:734 - add d Okay
  25. 01:10:173 (226,227,228,229,230) - kkddk
  26. 01:11:816 (232,233,234,235,236) - ^^^
  27. 01:16:748 (251,252,253,254,255) - ^^^
  28. 01:19:008 (260) - d Okay
  29. 01:19:625 (262) - ^ ^
  30. 01:20:858 (267) - k ^
  31. 01:20:036 (263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271) - i think this fits the drums better, but if youre trying to map the vocals then feel free to ignore this suggestion!

[ Oni]
  1. 00:23:734 (80,81,82) - ddk Agree
  2. 00:24:556 (83,84,85) - ^^^ ^
  3. 00:25:584 - add d Okay
  4. 00:25:995 (89) - ^ Disagree
  5. 00:29:899 (105) - k Sounds good
  6. 00:34:830 (123) - ^ Sure
  7. 00:35:036 (124,125) - d Disagree
  8. 00:36:474 (131) - k Sure
  9. 00:37:707 (135) - d Okay
  10. 00:52:707 (194,195,196) - ddk (the kat placement here just doesnt make sense...) Ended up removing 195
  11. 00:55:173 (204,205,206) - ^^^ Agree
  12. 00:56:200 (210) - k Okay
  13. 00:56:611 (212) - d Done
  14. 00:58:974 (224) - ^ Sure
  15. 00:59:282 (226) - ^ the kat placement still doesnt make sense, but like this i feel it puts more emphasis on that next kat Disagree
  16. 01:00:104 (230) - ^
  17. 01:02:159 (243,244,245) - 01:02:981 (248,249,250) - i honestly do not think these triplets are necessary/fitting at all, especially with the kdk patterns. Removed 249
  18. 01:05:241 (259,260,261) - ^^^ Agree
  19. 01:08:323 (269,270,271) - kkd Disagree
  20. 01:11:303 (283) - remove Okay
  21. 01:12:125 (288) - ^ Disagree
  22. 01:13:358 (294) - ^ Okay
  23. 01:15:207 (306) - ^ Sure
  24. 01:17:673 (319) - ^ Disagree

of course, these are all mostly just suggestions, so...

i'm sorry if i couldn't be of much help x_x

good luck with your mapset!
Thank you! :)
Kankri
From my queue ~ \o/

:idea: these are suggestions, it's fine if you don't want to change some of them :)

[Kantan]

Looks good!

[Futsuu]

00:07:707 (16) - kat

01:18:392 (162,163,164,165) - maybe try changing this? i don't think it sounds good :o

[Muzukashii]

Looks good!

[Oni]

Looks good!

Good luck!

Sorry if this mod wasn't helpfull, I tried since this map was short.
Topic Starter
Aloda

Kasha wrote:

From my queue ~ \o/

:idea: these are suggestions, it's fine if you don't want to change some of them :)

[Kantan]

Looks good!

[Futsuu]

00:07:707 (16) - kat I have this as a don to match the lower vocal pitch, although a kat also sounds fine. I'm going to keep it as is for now though.

01:18:392 (162,163,164,165) - maybe try changing this? i don't think it sounds good :o I've added a k at 01:17:981 . I think it fits in a little better now

[Muzukashii]

Looks good!

[Oni]

Looks good!

Good luck! Thanks!

Sorry if this mod wasn't helpfull, I tried since this map was short.
Thanks a lot! Even a short mod can be very helpful :)
Topic Starter
Aloda
Reduced note density in the kantan, muzu and oni, particularly during the kiai. I've also halved the bpm to 73, but increased the SV to compensate. Hopefully it will play a bit better now :)
Jaye
[General]
  1. Pls go easy on my shit mod. 'Tis my first after all.
  2. d = don, k = kat, caps on both for a finisher; you know the drill.

[ Kantan]
  1. 00:22:501 (25) - change to k, the instrument sound is the exact same as that at 00:23:323 (26).
  2. 00:27:433 (29,30,31) - ctrl+g, sounds better as dkk ( following the guitar ).
  3. 00:34:008 (35) - change to d, sounds almost identical to 00:34:830 (36). It'll also remove some repetition as you have kdk another two times after this.
  4. 01:06:885 (77) - change to K, high pitched singing ( too powerful for instruments D: )
  5. 01:08:529 - perhaps add d if you're going to keep d at 01:07:707 (78) and 01:09:351 (71); if you think this is a bit dense you could always remove the notes at the two timing points I just suggested.

[ Futsuu]
  1. 00:22:501 (49) and 00:23:323 (52) - assuming you applied the changes in Kantan, both of these should be k.
  2. 00:24:145 (54) - could change to d, it's like this in the Kantan. The note works fine either way.
  3. 00:36:885 (76) - change to k, sounds a little stale to me as a d ( then again I'm half-deaf ).
  4. 00:41:816 (88) - change to k. Works fine either way though.
  5. 00:50:447 (103) - change to k, sounds higher. This is different to Kantan but then again your note at 00:49:625 (101) is also different to Kantan and sounds fine.
  6. 01:06:885 (142) - same as Kantan, see above comment.
  7. 01:07:707 (143,144,145) - unsure how these became k, they all seem low pitch.
  8. 01:10:173 (146) - change to k, same as Kantan plus high pitch singing.

[ Muzukashii]
  1. 00:29:282 (76) - change to k, you can hear the guitar make a higher pitch noise.
  2. 01:13:666 (218) - change to d, you have a k there but the higher pitch singing hasn't start yet ( also rip pp farm ).
  3. Not much else to say really ._.

[ Oni]
  1. 00:17:364 (57) - change to k, it's a held note but this section actually sounds higher than the note before it.
  2. 00:44:488 (163,164) - ctrl+g, makes more sense if you consider the sounds comparison of each note from 163-166.
  3. 00:59:899 (223) - change to k, consider the sound from 222-224.

Good luck with everything; I hope my modding was up to standards.
Topic Starter
Aloda

dajayeway wrote:

[General]
  1. Pls go easy on my shit mod. 'Tis my first after all.
  2. d = don, k = kat, caps on both for a finisher; you know the drill.

[ Kantan]
  1. 00:22:501 (25) - change to k, the instrument sound is the exact same as that at 00:23:323 (26). I prefer changing 00:23:323 (26) to a d
  2. 00:27:433 (29,30,31) - ctrl+g, sounds better as dkk ( following the guitar ). How about d k d?
  3. 00:34:008 (35) - change to d, sounds almost identical to 00:34:830 (36). It'll also remove some repetition as you have kdk another two times after this. I have it as k d k to match the vocal pitch. I've changed 00:40:584 (41,42,43) to avoid the repetition
  4. 01:06:885 (77) - change to K, high pitched singing ( too powerful for instruments D: ) Agreed
  5. 01:08:529 - perhaps add d if you're going to keep d at 01:07:707 (78) and 01:09:351 (71); if you think this is a bit dense you could always remove the notes at the two timing points I just suggested. Sounds good. Removed 01:07:707 (78) and added a k at 01:08:529 (see Futsuu for reasoning)

[ Futsuu]
  1. 00:22:501 (49) and 00:23:323 (52) - assuming you applied the changes in Kantan, both of these should be k. Didn't change the Kantan so no change here
  2. 00:24:145 (54) - could change to d, it's like this in the Kantan. The note works fine either way. Changed
  3. 00:36:885 (76) - change to k, sounds a little stale to me as a d ( then again I'm half-deaf ). I prefer this as is. It's also a d in the Muzu.
  4. 00:41:816 (88) - change to k. Works fine either way though. Changed
  5. 00:50:447 (103) - change to k, sounds higher. This is different to Kantan but then again your note at 00:49:625 (101) is also different to Kantan and sounds fine. Sounds good, changed
  6. 01:06:885 (142) - same as Kantan, see above comment. Changed
  7. 01:07:707 (143,144,145) - unsure how these became k, they all seem low pitch. Although they are low pitch, I think k matches the soft sound better, particularly with the soft sampleset. Also these are kats in Muzu and Oni too
  8. 01:10:173 (146) - change to k, same as Kantan plus high pitch singing. Disagree. Also I changed this to a d in Kantan

[ Muzukashii]
  1. 00:29:282 (76) - change to k, you can hear the guitar make a higher pitch noise. Sure, changed
  2. 01:13:666 (218) - change to d, you have a k there but the higher pitch singing hasn't start yet ( also rip pp farm ). Changed
  3. Not much else to say really ._. .-.

[ Oni]
  1. 00:17:364 (57) - change to k, it's a held note but this section actually sounds higher than the note before it. Changed
  2. 00:44:488 (163,164) - ctrl+g, makes more sense if you consider the sounds comparison of each note from 163-166. Agreed, changed
  3. 00:59:899 (223) - change to k, consider the sound from 222-224. Sure

Good luck with everything; I hope my modding was up to standards. Thanks :)
Cool mod, thanks a bunch :D
jukkaduei
JUKKADUEI


From NM request

Your beatmap is already good. But this is a little to change.
Kantan
00:01:953 (2,3) - ctrl + g
00:03:597 (5,6) - ctrl + g
00:08:529 (10) - Change to k
Futsuu
01:18:392 (163) - Change to d
01:20:036 (168) - Change to k
Muzukashii
01:06:062 (191) - Change to d
Oni
01:02:981 (241,242) - Change to d

Good luck with your beatmap.
Topic Starter
Aloda

jukkaduei wrote:

JUKKADUEI


From NM request

Your beatmap is already good. But this is a little to change.
Kantan
00:01:953 (2,3) - ctrl + g Sure, I'll give this a go
00:03:597 (5,6) - ctrl + g I think I prefer this as is
00:08:529 (10) - Change to k Changed
Futsuu
01:18:392 (163) - Change to d Sounds good, changed
01:20:036 (168) - Change to k Sure, changed
Muzukashii
01:06:062 (191) - Change to d I prefer this as a k
Oni
01:02:981 (241,242) - Change to d Yeah, this is a little stale, changed 241, but left 242 as a k

Good luck with your beatmap.
Thanks a lot :)
[Pw]Forgotten
Here's my mod :D

Kantan:
00:09:351 (11,12,13) - I think d d k is not bad in here
00:30:721 (32) - Maybe here can change to big k
00:50:447 (53,54,55) - it can exchange with 00:53:734 (58,59,60) -
01:20:036 (94,95,96) - maybe here can change to a slider
01:22:501 (96) - you can try to delete this note

Futsuu:
00:05:652 (10,11,12) - you can change kkd to kd_
00:11:405 (22,23,24) - kkd to _kd
00:13:666 (29) - and 00:17:364 (38) - Delete it
00:19:214 (42,43,44) - kdd to kd_
00:22:912 (50,51) - delete 51 and 50 can be k
00:36:885 (76) - I think k is better
00:38:529 (80,81,82,83,84) - change d k k d
00:48:803 (98,99,100,101) - Maybe it can be k ddd
00:55:789 (115,116,117) - change to kd_
00:57:433 (120,121,122) - same
01:00:721 (127,128,129,130) - I think d kkk it better in here
01:04:214 (136) - you can delete this
01:16:748 (158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173) - maybe you can try this

01:25:789 (177,178,179) - change to kd_
Muzu:
Well!

oni:
Sry I'm not good at this type of oni, so i cant have you




Keep fighting Aloda san~
Topic Starter
Aloda

[Pw]Forgotten wrote:

Here's my mod :D

Kantan:
00:09:351 (11,12,13) - I think d d k is not bad in here Agreed
00:30:721 (32) - Maybe here can change to big k
00:50:447 (53,54,55) - it can exchange with 00:53:734 (58,59,60) - Changed to something slightly different based on your suggestion
01:20:036 (94,95,96) - maybe here can change to a slider I don't think that would fit well
01:22:501 (96) - you can try to delete this note Sure

Futsuu:
00:05:652 (10,11,12) - you can change kkd to kd_ I don't think this fits well since I'm not really trying to map to the vocals
00:11:405 (22,23,24) - kkd to _kd Sounds good
00:13:666 (29) - and 00:17:364 (38) - Delete it Yeah, I was really worried about the note density on this diff. Removed
00:19:214 (42,43,44) - kdd to kd_ I prefer removing 43
00:22:912 (50,51) - delete 51 and 50 can be k Removed 51, but I think 50 fits better as d
00:36:885 (76) - I think k is better Moved to 00:36:474 instead
00:38:529 (80,81,82,83,84) - change d k k d Sounds good to me
00:48:803 (98,99,100,101) - Maybe it can be k ddd Changed to d dkd
00:55:789 (115,116,117) - change to kd_ Removed 116 instead
00:57:433 (120,121,122) - same Removed 121 instead
01:00:721 (127,128,129,130) - I think d kkk it better in here I think this sounds better as is
01:04:214 (136) - you can delete this I've changed the structure of this whole section to be more consistent with 00:48:803 - 00:53:734
01:16:748 (158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173) - maybe you can try this I like this as it is. I don't want to change it to match the vocals

01:25:789 (177,178,179) - change to kd_ Removed 178 instead
Muzu:
Well!

oni:
Sry I'm not good at this type of oni, so i cant have you




Keep fighting Aloda san~
Thanks for your mod :) I plan to get yours done some time tomorrow :D
Mihaugoku
Sorry, if the mod is bad, but it's my second one ever. I tried at least.
Also it's for the M4M request in your queue.

[Kantan]
Looks good in my opinion, i don't know much about Kantan though.

[Futsuu]
00:13:049 - I would add a d here, and remove 00:14:693 (27)
00:26:200 (50) - i would also add a d here
00:33:186 - for me it feels like something is missing here
01:08:940 - d maybe?

[Muzukashii]
01:20:036 (241,242,243,244,245) - i'm not sure about this, suggesting kddkk

[Oni]
00:58:255 (205) - suggesting a k here
01:13:460 (270) - would change this to d



Hope my mod will help you!
Wish you a good day!
Topic Starter
Aloda

Mihaugoku wrote:

Sorry, if the mod is bad, but it's my second one ever. I tried at least.
Also it's for the M4M request in your queue.

[Kantan]
Looks good in my opinion, i don't know much about Kantan though.

[Futsuu]
00:13:049 - I would add a d here, and remove 00:14:693 (27) Sounds good. Done.
00:26:200 (50) - i would also add a d here Sure, added.
00:33:186 - for me it feels like something is missing here Moved 00:32:775 (62) to there
01:08:940 - d maybe? Sure, added.

[Muzukashii]
01:20:036 (241,242,243,244,245) - i'm not sure about this, suggesting kddkk Sounds just as good as what I had. Changed.

[Oni]
00:58:255 (205) - suggesting a k here Changed
01:13:460 (270) - would change this to d And changed



Hope my mod will help you!
Wish you a good day!
Thanks a lot for your mod, I'll get yours done as soon as I can :)
[R]
yo
this the lowest bpm i meet after this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/777231

[Kantan]
00:46:337 - delete this to give emphasize 00:46:748 -

[Futsuu]
00:07:296 - delete, there is too much pattern xxx
00:13:871 - delete, seeing kantan have huge space here
00:17:159 - delete, drum sound good to hear with ddk
00:18:803 - delete, same thing ^
00:25:378 - delete and move 00:26:611 - to 00:26:200 - following the piano
00:27:022 - refer mod above, you can consider delete to give emphasize
00:38:529 - delete ?
00:41:816 - delete ?
00:46:337 - same thing in kantan, since the next note are finisher

[Muzukashii]
00:23:323 (61,62,63) - invert this ? match with vocal sound

That's all from me
Topic Starter
Aloda

[R] wrote:

yo
this the lowest bpm i meet after this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/777231

[Kantan]
00:46:337 - delete this to give emphasize 00:46:748 - Sounds good

[Futsuu]
00:07:296 - delete, there is too much pattern xxx Agreed
00:13:871 - delete, seeing kantan have huge space here ^
00:17:159 - delete, drum sound good to hear with ddk ^
00:18:803 - delete, same thing ^ ^
00:25:378 - delete and move 00:26:611 - to 00:26:200 - following the piano This sounds a little strange to me, but I'll give it a go anyway
00:27:022 - refer mod above, you can consider delete to give emphasize I think this needs a d at 00:27:844 to work
00:38:529 - delete ? Agree
00:41:816 - delete ? ^
00:46:337 - same thing in kantan, since the next note are finisher Sure

[Muzukashii]
00:23:323 (61,62,63) - invert this ? match with vocal sound Sure

That's all from me
Thanks a lot for your mod :)
Topic Starter
Aloda
Made some pretty significant changes to note densities in all diffs and reduced SV to 1.6.
numbermaniac

Aloda wrote:

Made some pretty significant changes to note densities in all diffs and reduced SV to 1.6.
That was a massive drop in star rating!

Oh god it moves so slowly now

finally an oni i can play
_kumakichi
hi,
the maps are cool
basically i feel no need to change anything
all the changes below are purely me being picky

muzu
01:08:677 - add d?
01:15:664 - add k? it appears more natural...
01:25:938 - add d? as in oni

oni
wouldn't this oni be too simple? I think there is still room for sth like an inner one
01:15:664 - add k? as in muzu

great map. good luck.
Topic Starter
Aloda

_kumakichi wrote:

hi,
the maps are cool
basically i feel no need to change anything
all the changes below are purely me being picky

muzu
01:08:677 - add d? I want to stay consistent with the Oni here. My idea here was to basically copy the Oni but remove the note at 01:08:369 to change the 1/8 triplet into a 1/4 double. I think it fits well as it is, but I'm open to changing it if more people agree with your suggestion. No change for now.
01:15:664 - add k? it appears more natural... Sounds good. Added!
01:25:938 - add d? as in oni Added.

oni
wouldn't this oni be too simple? I think there is still room for sth like an inner one This diff used to be a lot harder, but a lot of people told me that it felt strange to have a hard difficulty for a slow and calm map like this. I really like the relaxing mood it sets like it is, and I don't think it would be possible to preserve that mood in an Inner Oni
01:15:664 - add k? as in muzu Sure. Added.

great map. good luck. Thanks :)
Thanks a lot for your mod!
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