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Awesome guide Realls helps me a lot

Nice guide, Yoges!

Yoges wrote:

You’ll put down patterns and scrutinize your techniques at the same time. You’ll essentially start looking at your own maps and start thinking stuff like “Nope, that looks like shit” or “Ehh.. I’m kind of ignoring that really important drum there” and fix issues before you even start getting mods.

This has happened to me many times. Even after having a couple of ranked beatmaps, I have done difficulties that I end up remapping after getting more experienced. I'm not the kind of guy who likes to read guides, so most of the time I was mapping without knowing what the downbeats and upbeats were and I still got ranked maps, haha, but I had to fix a lot of stuff xd But now I know about that suff, I even map faster because I make less patterns with suspicious rhythms that seem to not fit a song that keep me testing a map again and again.

Guides are essential!

I think it would help if you did some more formatting on the single sections. On their own they are walls, especially the one about modding.
While we're at it, I always believed modding was short for modificating, not moderating.

Linking to the Guide Compendium is always good, so good job.

What do you mean? Make the english easier to understand? Break them down into like paragraphs so it's easier to digest them?

Paragraphs

Sure sure, I'll have a look when I get some time. Done (?)

About mods

Great guide, you really gave me a positive feeling about mapping and a good anime to watch.

I cant agree with everything however.

Yoges wrote:

Look at ranked maps

Newly ranked maps are a great example to learn from. Don’t be afraid of opening them up in editor and copying the techniques you see. That’s the only way you can learn, copying. Don’t be afraid about being “unoriginal” worry about establishing a solid foundation of skills first, then you can worry about developing your style.

This is rather an addition than a disagreement: Dont just copy those techniques mindlessly and hope for that they work. Instead, use what you understand from other maps. If you like something but dont understand it, just ask that mapper. (read more of the post to see why i wrote this)

The only thing that might not be true from what you wrote is that you get better at mapping from mapping more.
It works for the most (or almost everyone). I am thinking of people who had guidance and were led to ''the right path'' where you know what you can use and what not. What i mean by that is there are people who like to begin their mapping career by doing experiments and trying out patterns form ranked maps. They probably wont look at guides and so they wont even know they should make sense and essential things like that. They dont know the basics to experiment with. Therefore, the more they map the worst their mapping will become until they realize what is going on. And some will probably quit then.

This is exactly what happened to me in the past 2 years. During that time i created tons of false theories and misunderstandings because i saw no sign of mapping being a mindful thing. To me it looked more like art where i can do whatever i feel like. You know, mindlessly.

I'm writing this because i dont think i'm the only one who mislead myself. It would just be bad seeing others fell into the pit.
Hope i was understandable, let me know if im not.

So, what you should emphasize with your post Yoges is the be mindful thingy. Tbh i think this guide should deserve exposure.

Yoges wrote:

About mods

How is my kudosu-count relevant for the long version of "modding"?
I can only argue from my personal understanding here but "moderating" doesn't make sense as the long form of "modding" as the word how I know it along with its synonyms doesn't quite nail what modding is opposed to "modifying" (yea I wrote modificating before cause german suffix h4x).
Just like I don't apply a moderation to a game but a modification if I alter elements of it...

Manysi wrote:

Great guide, you really gave me a positive feeling about mapping and a good anime to watch.

I cant agree with everything however.

Yoges wrote:

Look at ranked maps

Newly ranked maps are a great example to learn from. Don’t be afraid of opening them up in editor and copying the techniques you see. That’s the only way you can learn, copying. Don’t be afraid about being “unoriginal” worry about establishing a solid foundation of skills first, then you can worry about developing your style.

This is rather an addition than a disagreement: Dont just copy those techniques mindlessly and hope for that they work. Instead, use what you understand from other maps. If you like something but dont understand it, just ask that mapper. (read more of the post to see why i wrote this)

The only thing that might not be true from what you wrote is that you get better at mapping from mapping more.
It works for the most (or almost everyone). I am thinking of people who had guidance and were led to ''the right path'' where you know what you can use and what not. What i mean by that is there are people who like to begin their mapping career by doing experiments and trying out patterns form ranked maps. They probably wont look at guides and so they wont even know they should make sense and essential things like that. They dont know the basics to experiment with. Therefore, the more they map the worst their mapping will become until they realize what is going on. And some will probably quit then.

This is exactly what happened to me in the past 2 years. During that time i created tons of false theories and misunderstandings because i saw no sign of mapping being a mindful thing. To me it looked more like art where i can do whatever i feel like. You know, mindlessly.

I'm writing this because i dont think i'm the only one who mislead myself. It would just be bad seeing others fell into the pit.
Hope i was understandable, let me know if im not.

So, what you should emphasize with your post Yoges is the be mindful thingy. Tbh i think this guide should deserve exposure.

I see what you mean, I'll try to edit something into the post later.

Endaris wrote:

Yoges wrote:

About mods

How is my kudosu-count relevant for the long version of "modding"?
I can only argue from my personal understanding here but "moderating" doesn't make sense as the long form of "modding" as the word how I know it along with its synonyms doesn't quite nail what modding is opposed to "modifying" (yea I wrote modificating before cause german suffix h4x).
Just like I don't apply a moderation to a game but a modification if I alter elements of it...

Oh kudosu cout is irrelevant. I meant look at the description underneath "contribution the user has made to beatmap moderation". I used to think it was modifying too but moderation is actually the correct term and makes more sense when you think about it. To moderate something means to change or control it.

Really awesome guide, I hope new mappers will actually read it instead of complaining about RC etc.. xD

Yoges wrote:

Oh kudosu cout is irrelevant. I meant look at the description underneath "contribution the user has made to beatmap moderation". I used to think it was modifying too but moderation is actually the correct term and makes more sense when you think about it. To moderate something means to change or control it.

Haha, looks like I missed that

Edited with Manysi's suggestions.

copy from ur favourite mappers >< dont mindlessly copy new ranked maps, otherwise ull never develop a style

Kibbleru wrote:

copy from ur favourite mappers >< dont mindlessly copy new ranked maps, otherwise ull never develop a style

Tbh most new mappers copy from their favourite mappers to begin with

Really like the guide, although I have a one weird thing to explain with mapping.

I tend to like the song, then start mapping it. After like a 1 min is mapped, I start only playing it and listening to the song from the editor. After that I do it kinda all day long, and after that I just give up in mapping, or like get tired of it. Is there any suggestions other than "just go and map"? Because I start feeling like it's a job after it, not a game, etc.
Thanks for the guide.

Xayler wrote:

Is there any suggestions other than "just go and map"?

Nope. There isn't.

You're doing what I used to do a lot which is admiring your creation. There's no harm in doing that (to a point). It's a habit you'll grow out of as you map more and become more serious about it. So yeah, just go and map.

Yoges wrote:

Xayler wrote:

Is there any suggestions other than "just go and map"?

Nope. There isn't.

You're doing what I used to do a lot which is admiring your creation. There's no harm in doing that (to a point). It's a habit you'll grow out of as you map more and become more serious about it. So yeah, just go and map.

i still do this lol.

Pro tips: don't look at others map, if you wanna make unique styles.

^ Words of the inexperienced

TheUnReturned wrote:

Pro tips: don't look at others map, if you wanna make unique styles.

lol, i mean, u can, but its inefficient if u dont have reference material to get started with

How to mod quality maps????????

xDololow wrote:

How to mod quality maps????????

There's guides on the guide compendium for that