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Lagel

Monstrata wrote:

/facepalms.

The UR one was not a disqualifying reason. They disqualified Toumei Elegy because the slider was offscreen. Not sure how else to explain this...
What difference does it make if it's a slider or a note? I get it man, you want 6.66 because haha, it's hilarious, right? The jumps are unnecessarily placed to the point where it's below the line and out of the border multiple times. It doesn't matter whether or not i have the UR bar tuned off or on, you have to make do for those with both options.
Xantaria
The stars people gave this map ... well memed
Topic Starter
Monstrata
There's a huge difference. The slider was disqualified because it went off the screen, not because it covered the UR bar.

If you look at the image, the slider actually dips below the UR bar and goes off-screen. The circles in the image are well within the screen's resolutions so they are not considered "off-screen". If an object is off-screen then it's unrankable. If an object is almost-out-of-screen, (quoting from your earlier post) then it's still perfectly rankable. My objects are almost-out-of-screen. They are not off-screen. There is a very big difference.
Lagel
Considering your ignorant PM's and refusal to listen or even acknowledge what was being said, i'll just post my concerns here and wait for others opinions, because your'd rather condescend me than acknowledge what was being said.

The notes are clearly unnecessarily placed, changing from small patterns then leaping into wide-screen jumps, leaving for clunky jumps and obscured notes all for a difficulty spike. 01:26:099 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - , what is honestly the point of this? It's incredibly overmapped and doesn't fit. As for what i mentioned early, the notes are obscured by the UR box and make it harder to cearly visualize the note as it's placed so far down for that extra difficulty spike to get that perfect 6.66.

Natsu
man they are inside the screen...

just for example:



1 is offscreen, 2 is onscreen

There is nothing obscure from your screenshots, they are inside the screen lol.. Also Don't use custom skins, use the default one please..

Also overmap is placing objects when there is nothing in the music, overspacing is different. Anyways personally I think those jumps are fine, since they fit the song.
walaowey
yeah gratz \o/
Topic Starter
Monstrata
This is not overmapped... Every beat exists in the song.

Try deleting the entire jump sequence at the end. The map drops from 6.66 stars to a whopping 6.49. I chose the ending to feature the largest jumps because that just make the most sense to me, but the difficulty is not a huge spike compared to other patterns I've used in my map. You may not like them, but I do, and I have no intention of changing, sorry.
Spaghetti

Lagel wrote:

Considering your ignorant PM's and refusal to listen or even acknowledge what was being said
hes replied to every one of your concerns wh
walaowey

Lagel wrote:

Considering your ignorant PM's and refusal to listen or even acknowledge what was being said
yep i'm pretty sure he replied to every comment . . . orz
_handholding
The map actually plays a lot better than the way it looks it editor
Lagel

walaowey wrote:

yep i'm pretty sure he replied to every comment . . . orz
PM = Private message... as in he messaged me ingame for whatever reason.
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Monstrata
I was hoping I could explain these issues with you in private to avoid clogging up the thread with unnecessary debate, but you need to realize that your assumption that Toumei Elegy was disqualified because the slider touched the UR bar isn't correct.
Kibbleru

Lagel wrote:

Considering your ignorant PM's and refusal to listen or even acknowledge what was being said, i'll just post my concerns here and wait for others opinions, because your'd rather condescend me than acknowledge what was being said.

The notes are clearly unnecessarily placed, changing from small patterns then leaping into wide-screen jumps, leaving for clunky jumps and obscured notes all for a difficulty spike. 01:26:099 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - , what is honestly the point of this? It's incredibly overmapped and doesn't fit. As for what i mentioned early, the notes are obscured by the UR box and make it harder to cearly visualize the note as it's placed so far down for that extra difficulty spike to get that perfect 6.66.

the music is alot stronger in this part of the song
and the spacing is alot larger in this part of the map

whats the problem?

also overmapped refers rhythmically wise. not jumps and stuff. please use 'overdone'
Spaghetti
bagelwin

i miss him
-Kanzaki
00:34:693 (1) - Piano starts on this beat so 00:34:369 (2,3) - these 2 i can't really tell what you followed but even if you follow something else, mapping these 2 and others same not good idea? This applies for every diff almost.


on the hardest diff :
00:34:207 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - This whole part is overdone on jumps because;
00:29:018 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - as you can see this part is more exciting but 00:36:315 (2,3) - some how this has more spacing than 00:33:883 (3,4) - this. So ''calmer parts requires to be easier than exciting parts.''
_handholding
routing v2 xd
Topic Starter
Monstrata

-Kanzaki wrote:

00:34:693 (1) - Piano starts on this beat so 00:34:369 (2,3) - these 2 i can't really tell what you followed but even if you follow something else, mapping these 2 and others same not good idea? This applies for every diff almost. This is really straightforward. There's also a really clear note on 3.


on the hardest diff :
00:34:207 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - This whole part is overdone on jumps because;
00:29:018 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - as you can see this part is more exciting but 00:36:315 (2,3) - some how this has more spacing than 00:33:883 (3,4) - this. So ''calmer parts requires to be easier than exciting parts.'' I have to disagree. This part is the perfect place to emphasize trianglular beat-placement. Also, it's not nearly as intense as the previous section. Do consider the fact that the previous section had really large spacing right off the bat, and is consistent for 8 measures, whereas this section only increases to a "larger" spacing in the last 6-9 notes (depending on how you interpret "relative intensity").
Thanks for your concern!
Sotarks
Holyshit I love it, poeple are too salty here xd

sahuang

Sotarks wrote:

Holyshit I love it, poeple are too salty here xd

Maybe not salty as many people were giving their personal opinions and concerns. They should not be considered as salty.
Lagel

sahuang wrote:

Sotarks wrote:

Holyshit I love it, poeple are too salty here xd

Maybe not salty as many people were giving their personal opinions and concerns. They should not be considered as salty.
You can't voice an opinion, actually no, you can't voice at all these days without being considered salty.
Haya
What you said made no sense though. Your argument about that offscreen thing was bs and being mad for not getting answers even though he replied to every post you wrote is pretty damn salty.
Kibbleru
that ^
CelegaS
triangle, triangle everywhere

Now map this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/173650 with doing only octagon pattern
Lagel

Haya wrote:

being mad for not getting answers even though he replied to every post you wrote is pretty damn salty.
? what
Spaghetti

Lagel wrote:

Considering your ignorant PM's and refusal to listen or even acknowledge what was being said
quit being an idiot
Lagel

Spaghetti wrote:

quit being an idiot
Maybe, just maybe, now i know this is gonna be shocking for you, but juuuuust maybe i wasn't talking about the forum posts :D
I was talking about him private messaging, PMing me in a condescending manner and being ignorant. How about you get an idea?
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Condescending? Maybe. I messaged you in private to avoid stuff like this happening in public. You grossly misunderstood the reasoning behind the Toumei Elegy disqualification and I was trying to explain it to you, but you simply refused to acknowledge your misunderstandings... I already warned you that your reasoning was incorrect and that other mappers/modders would also agree with me, but you just assumed they were my "fans" who would always agree with me. I happen to have the entire chatlog. I'll post it for transparency. Perhaps I sound a bit condescending after a while but its hard to explain stuff to someone who's clearly not even going to bother comprehending it.

Favourite quote: I don't need to know how to cook a cake to know it'

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2016-05-22 00:02 Monstrata: idk how else to explain this to you dude lmao
2016-05-22 00:03 Lagel: neither because you're so used to people telling you it's okay and your maps are "great"
2016-05-22 00:04 Lagel: the jumps are unnecessary placed
2016-05-22 00:04 Monstrata: you should read the ranking criteria tbh :P
2016-05-22 00:04 Lagel: there are other ways of making the map 6.66 if that's the one reason you don't want it changed
2016-05-22 00:04 Monstrata: theres a huge difference :P anyone will agree
2016-05-22 00:04 Monstrata: i'll try and dumb it down anyways
2016-05-22 00:04 Lagel: anyone?
2016-05-22 00:04 Lagel: you mean your fan base who only cares for pp?
2016-05-22 00:05 Lagel: you shouldn't assume tbh :P
2016-05-22 00:06 Monstrata: sorry, but you're wrong here :P
2016-05-22 00:06 Lagel: how so
2016-05-22 00:08 Monstrata: posted. please take the time to zoom in on the images you supplied
2016-05-22 00:08 Monstrata: the slider was disqualified not because it touched the UR bar
2016-05-22 00:08 Monstrata: but because it went outside the screen...
2016-05-22 00:08 Monstrata: you're assuming the disqualification had something to do with the UR bar which is incorrect
2016-05-22 00:09 Lagel: http://puu.sh/p0L0S/64f94d2226.jpg
2016-05-22 00:09 Lagel: if that's okay
2016-05-22 00:10 Lagel: then idk what's what anymore
2016-05-22 00:10 Monstrata: that's 100% okay
2016-05-22 00:10 Lagel: how
2016-05-22 00:10 Monstrata: thats the idea... you don't know :P hopefully now you know
2016-05-22 00:10 Lagel: it's unnecessarily placed
2016-05-22 00:10 Lagel: http://puu.sh/p0L3P/fc98a1015d.jpg
2016-05-22 00:10 Monstrata: http://puu.sh/p0L4B.jpg
2016-05-22 00:10 Monstrata: As you can see, the slider physically goes outside of the screen
2016-05-22 00:10 Lagel: you can't say i should just turn my UR box off either, you have to make do for BOTH parties whom play with and without
2016-05-22 00:10 Monstrata: Look at the slider-border
2016-05-22 00:10 Monstrata: that is unrankable
2016-05-22 00:11 Monstrata: everything else is not.
2016-05-22 00:11 Lagel: I know what i posted, otherwise why would i post it?
2016-05-22 00:11 Lagel: i'm talking about your map
2016-05-22 00:11 Lagel: Not his.
2016-05-22 00:11 Monstrata: you're trying to use that map as an example but you dont understand the logic behind it lol
2016-05-22 00:12 Monstrata: your "reasons" have no logic to them because you're trying to say a placement is unrankable when it clearly is rankable :P
2016-05-22 00:15 Lagel: http://puu.sh/p0Lei/a3ee5c9c1c.jpg
2016-05-22 00:15 Lagel: Avoid placing hitobjects under the HP/life bar
2016-05-22 00:15 Lagel: https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Standard_Ranking_Criteria
2016-05-22 00:15 Lagel: like 3/5 of those notes in that section
2016-05-22 00:15 Monstrata: >Guideline
2016-05-22 00:15 Lagel: are all unnecessary
2016-05-22 00:15 Lagel: so they may be broken in special cases
2016-05-22 00:16 Lagel: special
2016-05-22 00:16 Lagel: since when are you special, that whole area is unnecessary
2016-05-22 00:16 Monstrata: no they may be broken however you pleace
2016-05-22 00:16 Lagel: Guidelines
2016-05-22 00:16 Lagel: Guidelines are important and should be followed in most maps. However, they are NOT rules, so they may be broken in special cases. If you want to break a guideline, ask yourself this: Does what I'm about to do make sense? Is it more fun to play like this compared to sticking to the guidelines? If you answer yes to both these questions, then it is probably okay.
2016-05-22 00:16 Monstrata: Guidelines also say I shouldn't map stuff I can't pass
2016-05-22 00:16 Monstrata: Fun Fact: I can't pass Road of ppstance
2016-05-22 00:16 Monstrata: :)
2016-05-22 00:17 Monstrata: #rekt
2016-05-22 00:17 Lagel: uh
2016-05-22 00:17 Lagel: is this honestly all a game to you?
2016-05-22 00:17 Monstrata: I can't take you seriously tbh...
2016-05-22 00:17 Lagel: Yeah no shit
2016-05-22 00:18 Monstrata: You're obviously new to mapping and I don't have time to explain all this to you so
2016-05-22 00:18 Monstrata: go ahead and complain i guess
2016-05-22 00:18 Lagel: New to mapping sure, i don't know all the terms you do
2016-05-22 00:18 Lagel: But at the same time
2016-05-22 00:18 Lagel: I don't need to know how to cook a cake to know it'
2016-05-22 00:18 Lagel: s shit, now do i?
2016-05-22 00:18 Monstrata: Who even cooks a cake
2016-05-22 00:18 Monstrata: :DD
2016-05-22 00:19 Lagel: omfg
2016-05-22 00:19 Monstrata: Dude go ahead and complain, If you bring up something useful I'd be happy to make changes
2016-05-22 00:19 Lagel: useful
2016-05-22 00:19 Lagel: ok
2016-05-22 00:19 Monstrata: I'm not above denying everything so my map doesn't get dq
2016-05-22 00:19 Lagel: you've given me enough replies to know you don't care about anything i'm saying nor are you taking this seriously
2016-05-22 00:19 Monstrata: Yea
2016-05-22 00:20 Lagel: Everything's clearly a joke to you
2016-05-22 00:20 Lagel: And i don't have time for jokes ":DD"
2016-05-22 00:20 Monstrata: Well, you kinda are lol
2016-05-22 00:20 Lagel: LOL
2016-05-22 00:20 Lagel: same dude
2016-05-22 00:20 Monstrata: If you bring up relevant points I'm more than happy to address them
2016-05-22 00:20 Monstrata: Have a good day :)
2016-05-22 00:20 Lagel: All i wanted was to point out unnecessarily large jumps and you're a condescending cunt about it
2016-05-22 00:21 Lagel: It's a clear indicator of what you map for and what means what to you
2016-05-22 00:21 Lagel: I guess mapping quality isn't one of them
2016-05-22 00:21 Monstrata: Nah. I only map for memes and giggles :)
2016-05-22 00:22 Monstrata: Have you tried my Beer Nye map? You might enjoy it too :D
2016-05-22 00:22 Lagel: Yeah i've fced it
2016-05-22 00:22 Lagel: thank for ez 260pp
2016-05-22 00:22 Monstrata: Anytime man!
Kibbleru
if u want to say the jump are unecessarily big then just say so holy shit. u dont need to try and claim that it is objectively unrankable, because not every1 plays with ur bar, and overlapping it doesnt make it unplayable. besides, the ur bar isnt even included to that guideline.

the circles overlap ur to fit the triangle pattern and spacing; if u need a reason theres one. if you want the jumps to be smaller thats an entirely different matter.
Lagel

Monstrata wrote:

Condescending? Maybe. I messaged you in private to avoid stuff like this happening in public. You grossly misunderstood the reasoning behind the Toumei Elegy disqualification and I was trying to explain it to you, but you simply refused to acknowledge your misunderstandings...
I don't mean to spite whatsoever, i was all ears for why i was wrong but you condescended me from the get go, why would i want to talk to someone like that? Sure, it was disqualified for reasons of which i misinterpreted, i was wrong, i got that the first time.
pkhg
is that diffname related to the song or something xd
-Kanzaki
Because of triangles i suppose but if there were circle in the middle of the triangle that would be illumunati lmao
Spaghetti

Lagel wrote:

Monstrata wrote:

Condescending? Maybe. I messaged you in private to avoid stuff like this happening in public. You grossly misunderstood the reasoning behind the Toumei Elegy disqualification and I was trying to explain it to you, but you simply refused to acknowledge your misunderstandings...
I don't mean to spite whatsoever, i was all ears for why i was wrong but you condescended me from the get go, why would i want to talk to someone like that? Sure, it was disqualified for reasons of which i misinterpreted, i was wrong, i got that the first time.
he spoke to you in a calm manner when you wouldnt fucking listen and just kept saying he makes pp maps and has friends to hide behind. He became condecending because of the frustration you were causing. if anyone was condesending it was you.

furthermore, youre barking at the wrong mailman here. do you see who youre arguing with? a bn that has mapped more songs than most people in this thread have and has been a part of this community for years on end, going through the ranking system more than 30 times with his own maps, let alone the maps he nominates/qualifies. if anyone here knows whats rankable and unrankable, its monstrata. so next time someone like him takes time out of his day to try to explain to you how this system works, dont be such a cunt and listen up, or youll never learn.

Lagel wrote:

Spaghetti wrote:

quit being an idiot
Maybe, just maybe, now i know this is gonna be shocking for you, but juuuuust maybe i wasn't talking about the forum posts :D
I was talking about him private messaging, PMing me in a condescending manner and being ignorant. How about you get an idea?
now that we have all seen the chatlog, the only one who wasnt acknowledging what was being said was you. guess that makes you a degen and a liar :LLLLLll

pkhg wrote:

is that diffname related to the song or something xd
i think its a play on words with "Illumination" and "Illuminati: on" xd
-Kanzaki
i dont know what is bad about pp mapping you map for players so they play and what players want is pp also something like "pp farmer" is also super stupid because the goal is actually farm pp and get better in ranking on this game anyway
pkhg
ya
VINXIS

-Kanzaki wrote:

i dont know what is bad about pp mapping you map for players so they play and what players want is pp also something like "pp farmer" is also super stupid because the goal is actually farm pp and get better in ranking on this game anyway
imo pp mapping is dum cuz i feel lik teh objective to mapping is 2 map the song and represent it as best as possible with ones mapping abilities and pp mappign is more lik making a difficulty-like map thts ez fr payerz 2 get pp from and not to represent the song so it makes me go kinda D wen ppl map for pp

the amount of ppl that ACTUALLY map for pp tho is very minuscule and thers no reason 2 complain about it cuz its not gunna turn into the new shity meta at all lo

and im p sure this map wasnt intended 2 be part of the "pp mapping meta" anywa
Yuii-

VINXIS wrote:

imo pp mapping is dum
Hi there, FUTURE SON : ^)
Spaghetti

Yuii- wrote:

VINXIS wrote:

imo pp mapping is dum
Hi there, FUTURE SON : ^)
that was mapped by nasya xd
Sotarks

VINXIS wrote:

-Kanzaki wrote:

i dont know what is bad about pp mapping you map for players so they play and what players want is pp also something like "pp farmer" is also super stupid because the goal is actually farm pp and get better in ranking on this game anyway
imo pp mapping is dum cuz i feel lik teh objective to mapping is 2 map the song and represent it as best as possible with ones mapping abilities and pp mappign is more lik making a difficulty-like map thts ez fr payerz 2 get pp from and not to represent the song so it makes me go kinda D wen ppl map for pp

the amount of ppl that ACTUALLY map for pp tho is very minuscule and thers no reason 2 complain about it cuz its not gunna turn into the new shity meta at all lo

and im p sure this map wasnt intended 2 be part of the "pp mapping meta" anywa
This is so true tbh..
Like I feel bad for those ignorent that tells poeple "pp mapper" but yeah for sure they know better then the actual mapper what feelings he put into his map..

fck my english

2016-05-22 00:18 Monstrata: Who even cooks a cake

And Holy shit @Lagel, you made my day... Dudes like you are awesome
pkhg
ranked hype
SnowNiNo_
wooo ranked \:D/(made by my friend
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