Hi there.
This thread exists solely for informational purposes.
After the desaster of his last announcement ztrot dropped into #modhelp on the next day and talked a bit about his next idea.
As he decided against looking for communication with the community again, I'll just post the log of the chat here so you can read through and think about it yourself.
As he posted it in a public channel he shouldnt have a problem with it and if I'm not entirely wrong someone already posted it on reddit.
Please don't spam this thread with your opinions as it would only give unwarranted attention to the idea which would be unfair towards other ideas that went unread in the past because the creator wans't able to create a shitstorm to get people's interest before posting.
This thread exists solely for informational purposes.
After the desaster of his last announcement ztrot dropped into #modhelp on the next day and talked a bit about his next idea.
As he decided against looking for communication with the community again, I'll just post the log of the chat here so you can read through and think about it yourself.
As he posted it in a public channel he shouldnt have a problem with it and if I'm not entirely wrong someone already posted it on reddit.
#modhelp-20160214-124505.txt
12:24 Ephemeral: the almighty hode is hardly a meme
12:24 Chaos: time to play kds :^)
12:25 Ephemeral: disrespectful
12:25 VINXIS: shows the
12:25 VINXIS: worth
12:25 ztrot: Battle nah
12:25 VINXIS: : ))))
12:25 Zexous: disrespect is a meme
12:25 Electoz: I want to here a bit summary of that "modding game" now if possible
12:25 Fullerene-: modding is fun
12:25 Kuki: shut
12:25 Battle: I only mod because I find it fun so like
12:25 Battle: eh
12:25 Yumeko: Now you can get pp for modding maps @_@ and there will be a leaderboard etc
12:25 Fullerene-: it makes me want to kill myself
12:25 ztrot: if everyone will give me a moment
12:25 Fullerene-: but it's fun
12:25 Tracreed: This is like the SOPA of osu
12:25 Rohit6: peppy's australian snake is nice
12:25 ztrot: and let me talk
12:25 Rohit6: tbh
12:25 Zexous: lol
12:25 Rohit6: ban everyone
12:25 Ephemeral: tl;dr: mod things for points, fun and profit
12:25 ztrot: Can I please get the floor
12:25 Kuki: it's not really
12:25 Battle: we're listening
12:25 Zexous: SOPA-PIPA protests, good time
12:25 ztrot: for like 5 mins
12:25 Tatsumaki: silence everyone for 5 minutes
12:25 Tatsumaki: LOL
12:25 VINXIS: its around 500 dollars per square foot sry
12:25 ztrot: I would rather not
12:25 Zexous: dont you guys have like
12:25 TakagamiSamiru-: like ztrot speak
12:26 Zexous: the !moderate
12:26 Zexous: just do that for a minute
12:26 ztrot: I do
12:26 ztrot: but I'm not wanting to do that
12:26 Zexous: ok ok
12:26 Zexous: we'll shut up
12:26 Rohit6: 1assassinate
12:26 ztrot: okay
12:26 ztrot: this is slow enough
12:26 Chaos: LOL
12:26 Rohit6: shh
12:26 VINXIS: SHHHH
12:27 diraimur: ok stop now
12:27 Tatsumaki: lmfao
12:27 Monstrata: the floow is still yours
12:27 Monstrata: r*
12:27 Zexous: have we been deceived yet again
12:27 xxdeathx: i'm waiting
12:27 Ephemeral: ztrot types slow
12:27 VINXIS: now THATS e d g y
12:27 ztrot: The RC was one idea (I see now that it is important to you) I hope we can find a compromise of some sort but that doesn't look to bright. on the other hand i have a proposal I plan to show to peps that if it goes over well.
12:27 Ephemeral: chill
12:27 Zexous: ah
12:28 ztrot: Could restore mapping/modding to a more active front.
12:28 Come[Back]Home: Why not just allow Light Insane? That would solve many problems imo
12:28 diraimur: hi
12:28 Xexxar: sh
12:28 Monstrata: CBH - you're so late to the party xD
12:28 Zexous: s h h
12:28 S A V E R Y: Cause the balance.
12:28 Ephemeral: !moderated on
12:28 BanchoBot: Moderated mode has been enabled
12:28 Ephemeral: go on my dear
12:28 Ephemeral: now the children have to listen
12:28 ztrot: can i still talk
12:28 ztrot: okay
12:28 ztrot: Now what I want to show you all.
12:29 ztrot: Is a ROUGH
12:29 Ephemeral: i'm doing this because it takes like 10 minutes for him to explain this fully so OPEN YOUR EYES
12:29 *Ephemeral vanishes
12:29 ztrot: draft of the current idea, http://puu.sh/n6MFL/72b3fe45e7.png
12:29 ztrot: this would allow anyone to get into the modding process granted you know your shit.
12:30 ztrot: No longer would it be a pick this guy or that guy, it would be imo the most fair process.
12:30 ztrot: Now this isn't been accepted yet but it could work automaticly without help or need to maintain it.
12:30 ztrot: I hope to keep trying to improve places of this game and I know you didn't like my RC suggestion but please know i had my best intentions on it.
12:30 ztrot: !moderated off
12:30 BanchoBot: Moderated mode has been disabled
12:31 ztrot: that is all.
12:31 xxdeathx: whoa
12:31 Tatsumaki: alright, well this doesn't seem nearly as bad as the last changes
12:31 Lanturn: kind of reminds me of modding v2 for the modding section. I wanted it to be more like that anyways
12:31 Xexxar: Im all for that
12:31 lit120: i see
12:31 Chaos: I think there is a dream here
12:31 Tatsumaki: I think this will be interesting ztrot
12:31 Zexous: so will stars still be on kd currency?
12:31 Zexous: since it's an "ability"
12:31 Battle: wow he used the power
12:31 Lasse: lokks interesting
12:31 Ephemeral: i told you that you'd like it
12:31 Ephemeral: geez you guys
12:31 Tracreed: I like this idea and support it ztrot
12:31 Electoz: LMAO
12:31 Anxient: okay
12:31 Battle: this idea seems a lot better than what was being said in that op
12:31 Come[Back]Home: Cool Idea
12:31 Anxient: every cover your nuts
12:31 Zexous: yea it sounds p good so far
12:31 Fullerene-: you're gonna love my nuts
12:31 *Anxient covers nuts
12:31 Tatsumaki: hey look man i'm ALL FOR revamping the actually kudosu system so I was okay with this the moment I opened the image LMAO
12:31 Zexous: i offer my nuts
12:31 VINXIS: the diff limiting rule is still complete shit please scratch :C
12:31 Rohit6: Same
12:31 lit120: better than the old ones
12:31 Tracreed: We love you now
12:31 Lasse: how about something to actually help out new modders? like some form of mentoring so the overall quality of mods gets higher`?
12:32 VINXIS: its lik u bring 2 ideas 2 the table
12:32 Monstrata: I don't like the idea of rating other people's mods
i think that should only be for the mapper...
12:32 Rohit6: Yeah diff limiting is ass
12:32 Tatsumaki: so will this system replace kudosu entirely? ztrot]
12:32 Anxient: id take ztrot's nut crushing over Ephemeral's fisting any day.
12:32 diraimur: lmao
12:32 AirOneBlack: seems not so bad
12:32 VINXIS: 1 thats absolutely faBULOUS and 1 thats absolutely sHIT
12:32 VINXIS: fuk
12:32 Ephemeral: we also have some stuff about a unified kudosu-style currency shared with daily challenges and other gameplay stuff
12:32 Ephemeral: but it's a bit in the air
12:32 Tatsumaki: daily challenges
12:32 Monstrata: also I don't really like how any modder can now downvote stuff. but they cant upvote?
12:32 Tatsumaki: you already have me hooked
12:32 Battle: it's always a pleasure looking at vinxis' typing
12:32 Anxient: so... why didnt these two ideas get posted on the same page lol
12:32 Tatsumaki: LOL
12:32 Zexous: ephemeral/ztrot
12:32 Anxient: that couldve damped the explosion by SO MANY levels
12:32 ztrot: Monstrata rest assured
12:32 AirOneBlack: honestly thats not bad, like malody challenges?
12:32 Fullerene-: modding becomes a grindfest korean mmo
12:32 Zexous: it says here that a modder can change metadata basically
12:32 Zexous: is that supposed to be there?
12:33 Zexous: any modder can just change the metadata?
12:33 Fullerene-: oh god i almost did the thing
12:33 Xexxar: no thats not metadata zexous
12:33 Anxient: probably metadata check lol
12:33 Zexous: "genre"
12:33 Xexxar: thats genre
12:33 Zexous: is in the ()
12:33 Nerova Riuz GX: though that modding system is good, the new RC is still bad
12:33 ztrot: that some of these things can not be done right away dude to website limitations
12:33 Ephemeral: i wonder if i can dig up the moddingv2 prototypes from somewhere, lemme see
12:33 VINXIS: but ther r no genres in osu
12:33 Rohit6: Spanish rap
12:33 Zexous: that's basically metadata
12:33 Battle: lmao
12:33 VINXIS: my fav genre is novelty
12:33 Xexxar: correct vinxis, the only genre is weeb
12:33 VINXIS: m m mm mm
12:33 ztrot: Might I also state one of my reasons for wanting to lower spreads was a bit dickish
12:33 Rohit6: My favourite genre is anime tvside
12:33 Monstrata: Also uh. the quality of a mod shouldn't be defined by those 5 things you mentioned. There are a lot of other more important things in modding, at least from a standard perspective (maybe its different for taiko)
12:34 Lanturn: https://osu.ppy.sh/p/mod
12:34 Electoz: I agree!
12:34 VINXIS: WOA
12:34 Zexous: ztrot i have a concern
12:34 VINXIS: now thats som edgy sh i t
12:34 Anxient: oman
12:34 Zexous: shouldn't a BN be able to at least pop their own bubbles?
12:34 ztrot: Monstrata it is still WiP as firetruck
12:34 Zexous: regardless of their level?
12:34 Zexous: it seems like it could lead to some responsibility gaps if a new BN bubbles a map
12:34 Zexous: and then regrets it
12:34 Zexous: but can't pop it
12:34 ztrot: that is stuff that will be fine
12:34 Monstrata: metadata is really easy to check, timing is either really difficult or really easy and should be handled case by case, right now it would seem like you are rewarding the same "score" for timing Roze and timing Miiro
12:34 Zaphkael: Well, i do not agree with the diff limiting rule, but if u really want to limit it id say 6, or with gd's 8
12:34 Xexxar: they can pop their own bubbles
12:34 ztrot: to edit once new site
12:34 Monstrata: yea i know its WIP so im pointing stuff out now rather than later lol
12:35 Anxient: osu!next would be so filled with new shit we would need a manual
12:35 Monstrata: modding it if you will
12:35 Chaos: don't be so concerned with details about this atm
12:35 ztrot: Monstrata and each thing gives point values
12:35 ztrot: so you can't spam just one type of mid
12:35 ztrot: mod*
12:35 Tracreed: Yeah I want a osu next pdf manual
12:35 Tatsumaki: I do really like the idea of an "experience" system for mapping/modding I think that the visible progress we can make by helping the community in that way is EXTREMELY healthy to its growth
12:35 Ephemeral: specifics are best left for later on i think but
12:35 *Chaos is only good at music mods. rip life
12:35 Ephemeral: i hope you can all see that there's more changes slated
12:35 ztrot: yup
12:35 Battle: so like if you're a bat for example, you can't bubble or?
12:35 Anxient: hey productivity!
12:35 Zexous: but just real quick ztrot tho
12:35 Ephemeral: and they'll be made with more community input in the future so
12:35 Anxient: wait so the BATs are coming back?
12:35 Xexxar: no battle
12:35 Ephemeral: no moar panic
12:35 Zexous: would you consider changing the pop thing like i said
12:35 Monstrata: ztrot - yea but considering it can take literally hours to do a timing mod for a specific song, and maybe 25 minutes to do all 5 things on another song, its a bit imbalanced imo
12:35 Endaris: sounds a bit too burocratic for my taste if i have to tag each single of my timestamps so people can vote them for the appropriate category
12:36 Eternalie: I LIKE CAKES
12:36 Eternalie: boom
12:36 ztrot: Monstrata if this gets picked up
12:36 ArcherLove: mania stuff, with LN = underrated, BMS = overrated
12:36 Monstrata: like basically, piano vs dnb song for example
12:36 ArcherLove: rip star gap?
12:36 Electoz: also
12:36 ztrot: im sure we will be given live enviorments
12:36 ztrot: to test in
12:36 ztrot: before hand
12:36 Secretpipe: piano vs dnb
12:36 VINXIS: tbh more like a simple ENN set compared to 8 diff timing hell set
12:36 Secretpipe: sounds interestin'
12:36 Monstrata: i hope so xD
12:36 ztrot: just like before with the test forum
12:36 *Secretpipe is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/379754 Rtnario - Guitar Vs. Piano]
12:37 ztrot: when we almost got osz2
12:37 Secretpipe: kewl song
12:37 ztrot: XD
12:37 ArcherLove: uh so
12:37 Electoz: Feels like
12:37 Anxient: so
12:37 Zexous: did osz2 get scrapped?
12:37 ArcherLove: the ranking process will change?
12:37 Monstrata: no pushing this out without extensive testing please. i don't want to see people downvoting/bullying certain modders/mappers who they don't want to see being QAT etc...
12:37 Anxient: when will osu file format v15 come
12:37 ArcherLove: how about old map?
12:37 Rohit6: O S U F I L E F O R M A T V 1 5
12:37 ArcherLove: still need only 1 diff?
12:37 -kevincela-: this is interesting
12:37 Endaris: imo that system is a bit too complicated... ockham's razor and stuff
12:37 Electoz: a-balanced-skill modders would get more rewards
12:37 lit120: like the diff spread and the number of the diffs?
12:37 Ephemeral: there is like no real platform which these things can be tested on tbh
12:37 Ephemeral: it's not like there's a dev version of osu! with its own diaspora
12:37 Monstrata: hm lmao true
12:37 Zexous: that's correct
12:37 ArcherLove: I mean, already asking QAT (mania) and tell to make new diff -> make new diff -> new rc
12:37 Ephemeral: a lot of stuff we do is implement and adjust
12:37 ArcherLove: oh my rip ;;
12:37 Tracreed: Maybe that needs to become a thing
12:38 -kevincela-: i see
12:38 Zexous: i mean
12:38 ztrot: sometimes we get test grounds eph
12:38 Zexous: you might just..ask for volunteers???
12:38 ztrot: not all the time tho
12:38 Tatsumaki: ^^^^^^^^^
12:38 Ephemeral: if push comes to shove it isn't like we can't go back to the old way temporarily either
12:38 Ephemeral: so
12:38 Monstrata: but realy tho this system looks a lot like the MAT/BAT system but now with a additional QAT group thrown in
12:38 Secretpipe: amg it's ephe
12:38 Arphimigon: bop
12:39 Ephemeral: Monstrata: it pretty much is to some degree, except with tiered permissions earned through a new method
12:39 Zexous: #bringbackMAT2k16
12:39 Monstrata: also. idk, just speaking as a BN though. I find that I need to do more work to get a map bubbled than to get a bubbled map qualified
12:39 Battle: no one told me what the mat was yet ._.
12:39 Zexous: ephemeral will you answer my question
12:39 Secretpipe: bringbackourgirls
12:39 ztrot: and it is 100% dependent on the modder actually wanting to be a bn or BAT
12:39 Ephemeral: what was your question my child
12:39 Anxient: map quality has been dropping lol just a bit
12:39 Zexous: will a level 1 BN at least be allowed to pop their own bubble
12:40 Come[Back]Home: Monstrata i think thats normal lol
12:40 Ephemeral: can't really answer specifics
12:40 Akitoshi: Monstrata bubble my ma-
12:40 *Akitoshi runs
12:40 Ephemeral: it's all still in flux a bit
12:40 Zexous: because i feel like if a new BN gives a bubble they regret-
12:40 Zexous: oh rip
12:40 Ephemeral: that's the general schema
12:40 Monstrata: like bringing something from a near rankable to rankable state requires more modding experience, than bringing something from a rankable state to an even more rankable state lol
12:40 Arphimigon: wat
12:40 Tracreed: How much work is it usually to get a map bubbled monstrata?
12:40 Zexous: well what do you personally think of the question though
12:40 Arphimigon: BNs have levels now?
12:40 Chaos: don't ask about how details work .-.
12:40 Arphimigon: wat is dis
12:40 Kuki: there's not much work involved now tracreed
12:40 Ephemeral: noo nothing new is "in" yet
12:40 Ephemeral: this is all horizon stuff
12:40 ztrot: don't over think it much
12:40 Ephemeral: you'll know when it goes in
12:40 MrSergio: Tracreed: it may be a lot
12:40 Kuki: just know people and it doesn't matter what you do
12:40 Ephemeral: s/in/when
12:40 Kuki: it's not
12:40 lit120: so that means...
12:40 ztrot: this is like i said WIP and it hasn't even been approved
12:40 *FlameWolf2000 is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/902940 MH - ashtag danger]
12:40 FlameWolf2000: help timing
12:40 lit120: we are still on the "old rules" for now, due to its proposed, right?
12:41 ztrot: but the intrest is here now
12:41 Ephemeral: lit120: correct
12:41 ztrot: lit120 yuppers
12:41 lit120: ahhh i see
12:41 Monstrata: Traceed - you basically have to run through the set for all unrankable elements, while also considering subjective quality recommendations and stuff. you still have to do that when you qualify, but its easier because the BN who bubbled usually has most of them (of not all) covered
12:41 diraimur: so i still got a few days until i finish this and rank it before approval rule is a thing then?
12:41 Endaris: it would be still cool if you opened up an own thread for it in the development forums so it's accessible for everyone who is curious and not just people who were in modhelp at the right time ztrot
12:41 *diraimur is editing Camellia - Exit This Earth's Atomosphere [Outer Space]
12:41 *diraimur runs
12:41 lit120: ohh well
12:41 Zaphkael: I love how this went from hate to this xd
12:41 lit120: guess that i can continue my own mapping project and GD stuff for now \o/
12:41 Tracreed: trac reed not trac eed but whatever
12:42 Kuki: what;s the approval thing again
12:42 Battle: but it's cool to be exclusive
12:42 Zexous: endaris i'm sure he'll dot hat
12:42 Zexous: eventually
12:42 Anxient: just make sure that it wnont crash the webiste again
12:42 Anxient: peppy needs his sleep
12:42 Kuki: webiste
12:42 Zexous: peppy doesn't need his sleep
12:42 Ephemeral: i think everyone does tbh
12:42 Endaris: well, i'm not, because he didn't do that for his last scheme either :^)
12:42 Anxient: coz i really dont want to see another earthworm
12:42 Zexous: and if he does need, we won't give it to him
12:42 Tatsumaki: and on that night, everything was right in the osu! mapping community once again, sleep tight mappers
12:42 Anxient: that thing really unnerves me
12:42 Ephemeral: been a rough day
12:42 VINXIS: so that new spread shit is just a bad dream
12:42 iloveyou4ever: Peppy is sleeping
12:42 VINXIS: thx now i can live peacfuly
12:42 Zexous: i didnt realize its 5 am
12:42 Monstrata: yea lets forget it happened
12:42 Kuki: can we remove having more than ten diffs
12:42 Tatsumaki: anxient it was an ALASKAN BULL WORM
12:42 Kuki: that's bullshit
12:42 VINXIS: UR
12:42 VINXIS: SLOW
12:43 Monstrata: Kuki - no
12:43 Kuki: i'm looking at ur reol map vinxis
12:43 Battle: omfg lmao
12:43 Kuki: y not
12:43 Zaphkael: U
12:43 Zexous: look at my reol map instead
12:43 Arphimigon: its a bad dream until itss a nightmare
12:43 Ephemeral: it was a hode you uncultured fucks
12:43 Monstrata: dislike : **** Kuki ****
12:43 Ephemeral: holy fuckballs
12:43 Battle: wow
12:43 Zaphkael: Rip #modhelp line stars
12:43 VINXIS: LO
12:43 Battle: dang
12:43 Zexous: ephemeral
12:43 *Zaphkael runs
12:43 Battle: monstrata
12:43 Zexous: silence urself
12:43 Kuki: ok
12:43 VINXIS: baby fantastik /;
12:43 ztrot: okay
12:43 Chaos: FlameWolf2000: offset ~5026, bpm is fine
12:43 Ephemeral: i'm gonna wear you like a sock puppet Zexous
12:44 Zexous: i...
12:44 Arphimigon: pop
12:44 Zexous: am actually
12:44 LunarFox: LOL
12:44 Tatsumaki: no need to get upsetti over your obscure babby video games :^)
12:44 Zexous: a little excited about that
12:44 Zexous: please do so, actually
12:44 Zaphkael: .!kill ephemeral
12:44 ztrot: I will kill myself in game don't test me bro
12:44 Tatsumaki: jk just banter lad
12:44 *VINXIS is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/895573 Chiyoko - Baby Fantastic! -Short ver.-]
12:44 FlameWolf2000: thanks
12:44 Anxient: http://puu.sh/n7uA7/a41406fe90.jpg Zexous those arms will kill you
12:44 puxtu: eyy
12:44 LunarFox: puxtu <3
12:44 Zexous: i know what ephemeral's picture is
12:44 Zexous: i know what i'm in for
12:44 Zaphkael: Lol zexous
12:44 Battle: poor vinxis
12:45 Chaos:
puxtu
12:24 Chaos: time to play kds :^)
12:25 Ephemeral: disrespectful
12:25 VINXIS: shows the
12:25 VINXIS: worth
12:25 ztrot: Battle nah
12:25 VINXIS: : ))))
12:25 Zexous: disrespect is a meme
12:25 Electoz: I want to here a bit summary of that "modding game" now if possible
12:25 Fullerene-: modding is fun
12:25 Kuki: shut
12:25 Battle: I only mod because I find it fun so like
12:25 Battle: eh
12:25 Yumeko: Now you can get pp for modding maps @_@ and there will be a leaderboard etc
12:25 Fullerene-: it makes me want to kill myself
12:25 ztrot: if everyone will give me a moment
12:25 Fullerene-: but it's fun
12:25 Tracreed: This is like the SOPA of osu
12:25 Rohit6: peppy's australian snake is nice
12:25 ztrot: and let me talk
12:25 Rohit6: tbh
12:25 Zexous: lol
12:25 Rohit6: ban everyone
12:25 Ephemeral: tl;dr: mod things for points, fun and profit
12:25 ztrot: Can I please get the floor
12:25 Kuki: it's not really
12:25 Battle: we're listening
12:25 Zexous: SOPA-PIPA protests, good time
12:25 ztrot: for like 5 mins
12:25 Tatsumaki: silence everyone for 5 minutes
12:25 Tatsumaki: LOL
12:25 VINXIS: its around 500 dollars per square foot sry
12:25 ztrot: I would rather not
12:25 Zexous: dont you guys have like
12:25 TakagamiSamiru-: like ztrot speak
12:26 Zexous: the !moderate
12:26 Zexous: just do that for a minute
12:26 ztrot: I do
12:26 ztrot: but I'm not wanting to do that
12:26 Zexous: ok ok
12:26 Zexous: we'll shut up
12:26 Rohit6: 1assassinate
12:26 ztrot: okay
12:26 ztrot: this is slow enough
12:26 Chaos: LOL
12:26 Rohit6: shh
12:26 VINXIS: SHHHH
12:27 diraimur: ok stop now
12:27 Tatsumaki: lmfao
12:27 Monstrata: the floow is still yours
12:27 Monstrata: r*
12:27 Zexous: have we been deceived yet again
12:27 xxdeathx: i'm waiting
12:27 Ephemeral: ztrot types slow
12:27 VINXIS: now THATS e d g y
12:27 ztrot: The RC was one idea (I see now that it is important to you) I hope we can find a compromise of some sort but that doesn't look to bright. on the other hand i have a proposal I plan to show to peps that if it goes over well.
12:27 Ephemeral: chill
12:27 Zexous: ah
12:28 ztrot: Could restore mapping/modding to a more active front.
12:28 Come[Back]Home: Why not just allow Light Insane? That would solve many problems imo
12:28 diraimur: hi
12:28 Xexxar: sh
12:28 Monstrata: CBH - you're so late to the party xD
12:28 Zexous: s h h
12:28 S A V E R Y: Cause the balance.
12:28 Ephemeral: !moderated on
12:28 BanchoBot: Moderated mode has been enabled
12:28 Ephemeral: go on my dear
12:28 Ephemeral: now the children have to listen
12:28 ztrot: can i still talk
12:28 ztrot: okay
12:28 ztrot: Now what I want to show you all.
12:29 ztrot: Is a ROUGH
12:29 Ephemeral: i'm doing this because it takes like 10 minutes for him to explain this fully so OPEN YOUR EYES
12:29 *Ephemeral vanishes
12:29 ztrot: draft of the current idea, http://puu.sh/n6MFL/72b3fe45e7.png
12:29 ztrot: this would allow anyone to get into the modding process granted you know your shit.
12:30 ztrot: No longer would it be a pick this guy or that guy, it would be imo the most fair process.
12:30 ztrot: Now this isn't been accepted yet but it could work automaticly without help or need to maintain it.
12:30 ztrot: I hope to keep trying to improve places of this game and I know you didn't like my RC suggestion but please know i had my best intentions on it.
12:30 ztrot: !moderated off
12:30 BanchoBot: Moderated mode has been disabled
12:31 ztrot: that is all.
12:31 xxdeathx: whoa
12:31 Tatsumaki: alright, well this doesn't seem nearly as bad as the last changes
12:31 Lanturn: kind of reminds me of modding v2 for the modding section. I wanted it to be more like that anyways
12:31 Xexxar: Im all for that
12:31 lit120: i see
12:31 Chaos: I think there is a dream here
12:31 Tatsumaki: I think this will be interesting ztrot
12:31 Zexous: so will stars still be on kd currency?
12:31 Zexous: since it's an "ability"
12:31 Battle: wow he used the power
12:31 Lasse: lokks interesting
12:31 Ephemeral: i told you that you'd like it
12:31 Ephemeral: geez you guys
12:31 Tracreed: I like this idea and support it ztrot
12:31 Electoz: LMAO
12:31 Anxient: okay
12:31 Battle: this idea seems a lot better than what was being said in that op
12:31 Come[Back]Home: Cool Idea
12:31 Anxient: every cover your nuts
12:31 Zexous: yea it sounds p good so far
12:31 Fullerene-: you're gonna love my nuts
12:31 *Anxient covers nuts
12:31 Tatsumaki: hey look man i'm ALL FOR revamping the actually kudosu system so I was okay with this the moment I opened the image LMAO
12:31 Zexous: i offer my nuts
12:31 VINXIS: the diff limiting rule is still complete shit please scratch :C
12:31 Rohit6: Same
12:31 lit120: better than the old ones
12:31 Tracreed: We love you now
12:31 Lasse: how about something to actually help out new modders? like some form of mentoring so the overall quality of mods gets higher`?
12:32 VINXIS: its lik u bring 2 ideas 2 the table
12:32 Monstrata: I don't like the idea of rating other people's mods
i think that should only be for the mapper...12:32 Rohit6: Yeah diff limiting is ass
12:32 Tatsumaki: so will this system replace kudosu entirely? ztrot]
12:32 Anxient: id take ztrot's nut crushing over Ephemeral's fisting any day.
12:32 diraimur: lmao
12:32 AirOneBlack: seems not so bad
12:32 VINXIS: 1 thats absolutely faBULOUS and 1 thats absolutely sHIT
12:32 VINXIS: fuk
12:32 Ephemeral: we also have some stuff about a unified kudosu-style currency shared with daily challenges and other gameplay stuff
12:32 Ephemeral: but it's a bit in the air
12:32 Tatsumaki: daily challenges
12:32 Monstrata: also I don't really like how any modder can now downvote stuff. but they cant upvote?
12:32 Tatsumaki: you already have me hooked
12:32 Battle: it's always a pleasure looking at vinxis' typing
12:32 Anxient: so... why didnt these two ideas get posted on the same page lol
12:32 Tatsumaki: LOL
12:32 Zexous: ephemeral/ztrot
12:32 Anxient: that couldve damped the explosion by SO MANY levels
12:32 ztrot: Monstrata rest assured
12:32 AirOneBlack: honestly thats not bad, like malody challenges?
12:32 Fullerene-: modding becomes a grindfest korean mmo
12:32 Zexous: it says here that a modder can change metadata basically
12:32 Zexous: is that supposed to be there?
12:33 Zexous: any modder can just change the metadata?
12:33 Fullerene-: oh god i almost did the thing
12:33 Xexxar: no thats not metadata zexous
12:33 Anxient: probably metadata check lol
12:33 Zexous: "genre"
12:33 Xexxar: thats genre
12:33 Zexous: is in the ()
12:33 Nerova Riuz GX: though that modding system is good, the new RC is still bad
12:33 ztrot: that some of these things can not be done right away dude to website limitations
12:33 Ephemeral: i wonder if i can dig up the moddingv2 prototypes from somewhere, lemme see
12:33 VINXIS: but ther r no genres in osu
12:33 Rohit6: Spanish rap
12:33 Zexous: that's basically metadata
12:33 Battle: lmao
12:33 VINXIS: my fav genre is novelty
12:33 Xexxar: correct vinxis, the only genre is weeb
12:33 VINXIS: m m mm mm
12:33 ztrot: Might I also state one of my reasons for wanting to lower spreads was a bit dickish
12:33 Rohit6: My favourite genre is anime tvside
12:33 Monstrata: Also uh. the quality of a mod shouldn't be defined by those 5 things you mentioned. There are a lot of other more important things in modding, at least from a standard perspective (maybe its different for taiko)
12:34 Lanturn: https://osu.ppy.sh/p/mod
12:34 Electoz: I agree!
12:34 VINXIS: WOA
12:34 Zexous: ztrot i have a concern
12:34 VINXIS: now thats som edgy sh i t
12:34 Anxient: oman
12:34 Zexous: shouldn't a BN be able to at least pop their own bubbles?
12:34 ztrot: Monstrata it is still WiP as firetruck
12:34 Zexous: regardless of their level?
12:34 Zexous: it seems like it could lead to some responsibility gaps if a new BN bubbles a map
12:34 Zexous: and then regrets it
12:34 Zexous: but can't pop it
12:34 ztrot: that is stuff that will be fine
12:34 Monstrata: metadata is really easy to check, timing is either really difficult or really easy and should be handled case by case, right now it would seem like you are rewarding the same "score" for timing Roze and timing Miiro
12:34 Zaphkael: Well, i do not agree with the diff limiting rule, but if u really want to limit it id say 6, or with gd's 8
12:34 Xexxar: they can pop their own bubbles
12:34 ztrot: to edit once new site
12:34 Monstrata: yea i know its WIP so im pointing stuff out now rather than later lol
12:35 Anxient: osu!next would be so filled with new shit we would need a manual
12:35 Monstrata: modding it if you will
12:35 Chaos: don't be so concerned with details about this atm
12:35 ztrot: Monstrata and each thing gives point values
12:35 ztrot: so you can't spam just one type of mid
12:35 ztrot: mod*
12:35 Tracreed: Yeah I want a osu next pdf manual
12:35 Tatsumaki: I do really like the idea of an "experience" system for mapping/modding I think that the visible progress we can make by helping the community in that way is EXTREMELY healthy to its growth
12:35 Ephemeral: specifics are best left for later on i think but
12:35 *Chaos is only good at music mods. rip life
12:35 Ephemeral: i hope you can all see that there's more changes slated
12:35 ztrot: yup
12:35 Battle: so like if you're a bat for example, you can't bubble or?
12:35 Anxient: hey productivity!
12:35 Zexous: but just real quick ztrot tho
12:35 Ephemeral: and they'll be made with more community input in the future so
12:35 Anxient: wait so the BATs are coming back?
12:35 Xexxar: no battle
12:35 Ephemeral: no moar panic
12:35 Zexous: would you consider changing the pop thing like i said
12:35 Monstrata: ztrot - yea but considering it can take literally hours to do a timing mod for a specific song, and maybe 25 minutes to do all 5 things on another song, its a bit imbalanced imo
12:35 Endaris: sounds a bit too burocratic for my taste if i have to tag each single of my timestamps so people can vote them for the appropriate category
12:36 Eternalie: I LIKE CAKES
12:36 Eternalie: boom
12:36 ztrot: Monstrata if this gets picked up
12:36 ArcherLove: mania stuff, with LN = underrated, BMS = overrated
12:36 Monstrata: like basically, piano vs dnb song for example
12:36 ArcherLove: rip star gap?
12:36 Electoz: also
12:36 ztrot: im sure we will be given live enviorments
12:36 ztrot: to test in
12:36 ztrot: before hand
12:36 Secretpipe: piano vs dnb
12:36 VINXIS: tbh more like a simple ENN set compared to 8 diff timing hell set
12:36 Secretpipe: sounds interestin'
12:36 Monstrata: i hope so xD
12:36 ztrot: just like before with the test forum
12:36 *Secretpipe is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/379754 Rtnario - Guitar Vs. Piano]
12:37 ztrot: when we almost got osz2
12:37 Secretpipe: kewl song
12:37 ztrot: XD
12:37 ArcherLove: uh so
12:37 Electoz: Feels like
12:37 Anxient: so
12:37 Zexous: did osz2 get scrapped?
12:37 ArcherLove: the ranking process will change?
12:37 Monstrata: no pushing this out without extensive testing please. i don't want to see people downvoting/bullying certain modders/mappers who they don't want to see being QAT etc...
12:37 Anxient: when will osu file format v15 come
12:37 ArcherLove: how about old map?
12:37 Rohit6: O S U F I L E F O R M A T V 1 5
12:37 ArcherLove: still need only 1 diff?
12:37 -kevincela-: this is interesting
12:37 Endaris: imo that system is a bit too complicated... ockham's razor and stuff
12:37 Electoz: a-balanced-skill modders would get more rewards
12:37 lit120: like the diff spread and the number of the diffs?
12:37 Ephemeral: there is like no real platform which these things can be tested on tbh
12:37 Ephemeral: it's not like there's a dev version of osu! with its own diaspora
12:37 Monstrata: hm lmao true
12:37 Zexous: that's correct
12:37 ArcherLove: I mean, already asking QAT (mania) and tell to make new diff -> make new diff -> new rc
12:37 Ephemeral: a lot of stuff we do is implement and adjust
12:37 ArcherLove: oh my rip ;;
12:37 Tracreed: Maybe that needs to become a thing
12:38 -kevincela-: i see
12:38 Zexous: i mean
12:38 ztrot: sometimes we get test grounds eph
12:38 Zexous: you might just..ask for volunteers???
12:38 ztrot: not all the time tho
12:38 Tatsumaki: ^^^^^^^^^
12:38 Ephemeral: if push comes to shove it isn't like we can't go back to the old way temporarily either
12:38 Ephemeral: so
12:38 Monstrata: but realy tho this system looks a lot like the MAT/BAT system but now with a additional QAT group thrown in
12:38 Secretpipe: amg it's ephe
12:38 Arphimigon: bop
12:39 Ephemeral: Monstrata: it pretty much is to some degree, except with tiered permissions earned through a new method
12:39 Zexous: #bringbackMAT2k16
12:39 Monstrata: also. idk, just speaking as a BN though. I find that I need to do more work to get a map bubbled than to get a bubbled map qualified
12:39 Battle: no one told me what the mat was yet ._.
12:39 Zexous: ephemeral will you answer my question
12:39 Secretpipe: bringbackourgirls
12:39 ztrot: and it is 100% dependent on the modder actually wanting to be a bn or BAT
12:39 Ephemeral: what was your question my child
12:39 Anxient: map quality has been dropping lol just a bit
12:39 Zexous: will a level 1 BN at least be allowed to pop their own bubble
12:40 Come[Back]Home: Monstrata i think thats normal lol
12:40 Ephemeral: can't really answer specifics
12:40 Akitoshi: Monstrata bubble my ma-
12:40 *Akitoshi runs
12:40 Ephemeral: it's all still in flux a bit
12:40 Zexous: because i feel like if a new BN gives a bubble they regret-
12:40 Zexous: oh rip
12:40 Ephemeral: that's the general schema
12:40 Monstrata: like bringing something from a near rankable to rankable state requires more modding experience, than bringing something from a rankable state to an even more rankable state lol
12:40 Arphimigon: wat
12:40 Tracreed: How much work is it usually to get a map bubbled monstrata?
12:40 Zexous: well what do you personally think of the question though
12:40 Arphimigon: BNs have levels now?
12:40 Chaos: don't ask about how details work .-.
12:40 Arphimigon: wat is dis
12:40 Kuki: there's not much work involved now tracreed
12:40 Ephemeral: noo nothing new is "in" yet
12:40 Ephemeral: this is all horizon stuff
12:40 ztrot: don't over think it much
12:40 Ephemeral: you'll know when it goes in
12:40 MrSergio: Tracreed: it may be a lot
12:40 Kuki: just know people and it doesn't matter what you do
12:40 Ephemeral: s/in/when
12:40 Kuki: it's not
12:40 lit120: so that means...
12:40 ztrot: this is like i said WIP and it hasn't even been approved
12:40 *FlameWolf2000 is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/902940 MH - ashtag danger]
12:40 FlameWolf2000: help timing
12:40 lit120: we are still on the "old rules" for now, due to its proposed, right?
12:41 ztrot: but the intrest is here now
12:41 Ephemeral: lit120: correct
12:41 ztrot: lit120 yuppers
12:41 lit120: ahhh i see
12:41 Monstrata: Traceed - you basically have to run through the set for all unrankable elements, while also considering subjective quality recommendations and stuff. you still have to do that when you qualify, but its easier because the BN who bubbled usually has most of them (of not all) covered
12:41 diraimur: so i still got a few days until i finish this and rank it before approval rule is a thing then?
12:41 Endaris: it would be still cool if you opened up an own thread for it in the development forums so it's accessible for everyone who is curious and not just people who were in modhelp at the right time ztrot
12:41 *diraimur is editing Camellia - Exit This Earth's Atomosphere [Outer Space]
12:41 *diraimur runs
12:41 lit120: ohh well
12:41 Zaphkael: I love how this went from hate to this xd
12:41 lit120: guess that i can continue my own mapping project and GD stuff for now \o/
12:41 Tracreed: trac reed not trac eed but whatever
12:42 Kuki: what;s the approval thing again
12:42 Battle: but it's cool to be exclusive
12:42 Zexous: endaris i'm sure he'll dot hat
12:42 Zexous: eventually
12:42 Anxient: just make sure that it wnont crash the webiste again
12:42 Anxient: peppy needs his sleep
12:42 Kuki: webiste
12:42 Zexous: peppy doesn't need his sleep
12:42 Ephemeral: i think everyone does tbh
12:42 Endaris: well, i'm not, because he didn't do that for his last scheme either :^)
12:42 Anxient: coz i really dont want to see another earthworm
12:42 Zexous: and if he does need, we won't give it to him
12:42 Tatsumaki: and on that night, everything was right in the osu! mapping community once again, sleep tight mappers
12:42 Anxient: that thing really unnerves me
12:42 Ephemeral: been a rough day
12:42 VINXIS: so that new spread shit is just a bad dream
12:42 iloveyou4ever: Peppy is sleeping
12:42 VINXIS: thx now i can live peacfuly
12:42 Zexous: i didnt realize its 5 am
12:42 Monstrata: yea lets forget it happened
12:42 Kuki: can we remove having more than ten diffs
12:42 Tatsumaki: anxient it was an ALASKAN BULL WORM
12:42 Kuki: that's bullshit
12:42 VINXIS: UR
12:42 VINXIS: SLOW
12:43 Monstrata: Kuki - no
12:43 Kuki: i'm looking at ur reol map vinxis
12:43 Battle: omfg lmao
12:43 Kuki: y not
12:43 Zaphkael: U
12:43 Zexous: look at my reol map instead
12:43 Arphimigon: its a bad dream until itss a nightmare
12:43 Ephemeral: it was a hode you uncultured fucks
12:43 Monstrata: dislike : **** Kuki ****
12:43 Ephemeral: holy fuckballs
12:43 Battle: wow
12:43 Zaphkael: Rip #modhelp line stars
12:43 VINXIS: LO
12:43 Battle: dang
12:43 Zexous: ephemeral
12:43 *Zaphkael runs
12:43 Battle: monstrata
12:43 Zexous: silence urself
12:43 Kuki: ok
12:43 VINXIS: baby fantastik /;
12:43 ztrot: okay
12:43 Chaos: FlameWolf2000: offset ~5026, bpm is fine
12:43 Ephemeral: i'm gonna wear you like a sock puppet Zexous
12:44 Zexous: i...
12:44 Arphimigon: pop
12:44 Zexous: am actually
12:44 LunarFox: LOL
12:44 Tatsumaki: no need to get upsetti over your obscure babby video games :^)
12:44 Zexous: a little excited about that
12:44 Zexous: please do so, actually
12:44 Zaphkael: .!kill ephemeral
12:44 ztrot: I will kill myself in game don't test me bro
12:44 Tatsumaki: jk just banter lad
12:44 *VINXIS is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/895573 Chiyoko - Baby Fantastic! -Short ver.-]
12:44 FlameWolf2000: thanks
12:44 Anxient: http://puu.sh/n7uA7/a41406fe90.jpg Zexous those arms will kill you
12:44 puxtu: eyy
12:44 LunarFox: puxtu <3
12:44 Zexous: i know what ephemeral's picture is
12:44 Zexous: i know what i'm in for
12:44 Zaphkael: Lol zexous
12:44 Battle: poor vinxis
12:45 Chaos:
puxtuPlease don't spam this thread with your opinions as it would only give unwarranted attention to the idea which would be unfair towards other ideas that went unread in the past because the creator wans't able to create a shitstorm to get people's interest before posting.
