21:27 squirrelpascals: o/
21:27 Spork Lover: o/
21:30 Spork Lover: :3
21:31 squirrelpascals: E:
21:31 squirrelpascals: wtf
21:32 Spork Lover: xD
21:36 *squirrelpascals is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/s/413701 SO SUS + KONKA - ACORN [fkin alt diff]]
21:36 squirrelpascals: lol
21:37 squirrelpascals: i still have no clue on what to do for this one part, rhythm wise
21:38 squirrelpascals: my main dilemma is over whether 00:18:018 should be clickable or not
21:39 Spork Lover: diff doesn't show for me
21:39 squirrelpascals: oh thats right
21:40 squirrelpascals: across all diffs its at 00:18:018 -
21:40 Spork Lover: Why shouldn't it be clickable?
21:40 Spork Lover: To me, that sounds like 2 kicksliders
21:40 Spork Lover: or something along those lines
21:41 squirrelpascals: look at monstrata mods
21:41 squirrelpascals: i did this
21:41 squirrelpascals:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550934121:41 squirrelpascals: do you know how to keep an irc log btw
21:41 Spork Lover: Write /savelog
21:41 Spork Lover: When convo is over
21:42 squirrelpascals: oh okay
21:42 squirrelpascals: i can link you to mods of concern
21:42 Spork Lover: could you upload the diff you've done so far?
21:42 Spork Lover: So I get an idea
21:43 squirrelpascals:
t/417365/start=73 all mods from there
21:43 squirrelpascals: the screenshot i sent is the only thing ive made xD
21:43 squirrelpascals: what idea
21:43 Spork Lover: of what concepts you're thinking of
21:44 squirrelpascals: oh okay
21:44 squirrelpascals: let me come up with some more ;P
21:44 Spork Lover: Like
21:44 Spork Lover: Lemme come up with an example
21:44 Spork Lover: For the first two notes
21:44 squirrelpascals: okay
21:46 Spork Lover:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550938221:47 Spork Lover: First two notes of the entire song
21:47 Spork Lover: :p
21:47 Spork Lover: Again, concept idea
21:47 Spork Lover: Don't have to follow it in any way
21:47 squirrelpascals: okay
21:47 squirrelpascals: i dont think the first two notes are a problem though
21:48 Spork Lover: But I mean
21:48 squirrelpascals: im really focusing on the questionable stuff for now
21:48 squirrelpascals: yeah?
21:48 Spork Lover: "Remapping" literally means reworking stuff to an extent where it's completely different while still being the same style
21:48 Spork Lover: I remapped an entire map
21:48 Spork Lover: And most aesthetics/rhythms changed for the better
21:49 Spork Lover: (The brain power chorus/drunk section)
21:49 Spork Lover: I literally deleted the whole thing
21:49 Spork Lover: And started from stratch xD
21:49 squirrelpascals: Some parts that I like are okay for sure, though, so I'm trying to do this in chunks
21:49 squirrelpascals: yeah like you said
21:52 squirrelpascals:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5509409 final change for this part
21:53 Spork Lover: Yeah that rhythm is fine
21:54 Spork Lover: Transition is a bit weird 'cause of the angle of the reverse and the long slider
21:54 Spork Lover: But yeah
21:54 Spork Lover:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550942321:55 squirrelpascals: well its treated as a hold
21:55 squirrelpascals: so i dont think its detrimental
21:55 squirrelpascals: yeah that type of thing that you did
21:55 squirrelpascals: also, for 00:32:018 -
21:55 Spork Lover: Sent it as a pattern idea
21:55 squirrelpascals:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550943021:56 squirrelpascals: sounds good
21:56 Spork Lover: The downward angle on the slider gives that "hold" feel
21:56 Spork Lover: That's good too
21:56 squirrelpascals: yeah, its a 1/8 repeat xD
21:56 Spork Lover: I mean the long one
21:56 squirrelpascals: yeah, i have like 2 more of those to do
21:57 squirrelpascals: o i just realiced
21:57 squirrelpascals: realized*
21:58 squirrelpascals: 02:11:574 - is the same rhythm as 00:17:796 -
21:58 Spork Lover: Yeah
21:58 Spork Lover: Rework 1 and 2
21:58 Spork Lover: The shape on 2 should be somewhat similar
21:58 Spork Lover: To the long sliders you did before
21:58 squirrelpascals: wait on the first timestamp?
21:59 Spork Lover: 2 should be like 00:18:241 (6) -
21:59 squirrelpascals: it already is similar :p
21:59 squirrelpascals: oh i see
21:59 squirrelpascals: i think it is pretty similar as far as angles and curviture goes, i just make it correspond with 1
22:00 Spork Lover: Random question
22:00 Spork Lover: 02:13:574 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
22:00 Spork Lover: What do you think about those as a whole?
22:00 Spork Lover: After the suggestion I gave you earlier today
22:01 squirrelpascals: what was your suggestion?
22:01 squirrelpascals: i didnt know you gave a suggestion for that part in particular
22:02 Spork Lover:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550946822:02 Spork Lover: Look at first 4
22:02 squirrelpascals: oh right i remember
22:02 Spork Lover: Like
22:02 squirrelpascals: jump from 4 to 5 xD
22:02 Spork Lover: nononono
22:02 Spork Lover: I just did the first 4
22:02 Spork Lover: lmfao
22:02 squirrelpascals: i kno lol
22:02 Spork Lover: xD
22:02 Spork Lover: But yeah
22:03 squirrelpascals: do you just not like the spacing?
22:03 Spork Lover: Think of it as a 1/4 stream
22:03 squirrelpascals: its a slider stream..?
22:03 Spork Lover: Yeah but I mean
22:03 Spork Lover: 02:14:018 (5,6) - Being 1/8 sliders, the spacing IS really large
22:04 Spork Lover: And is a choke fest 'cause it's linear :p
22:04 Spork Lover: Which is why the suggestion I gave forces people to do small sharp turns
22:04 Spork Lover: It's a 135 bpm "jump" lel
22:04 Spork Lover: but yeah brb
22:04 Spork Lover: Gotta walk doge :3
22:04 squirrelpascals: okay wait
22:05 squirrelpascals: alright c:
22:05 Spork Lover: I'll be back in like 15 min
22:05 squirrelpascals: coo
22:05 Spork Lover: you can just write the response I'll come back to it
22:06 squirrelpascals: alrigth
22:08 squirrelpascals: waht am i doing
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550950422:09 squirrelpascals: omg this works
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550951222:21 Spork Lover: Yeah that works
22:21 squirrelpascals: okay
22:22 squirrelpascals: but if that works going backwards then why doesnt the former pattern work?
22:22 Spork Lover: Mainly the uneven spacing
22:25 squirrelpascals: what if i evened it out then :p
22:25 Spork Lover: Would still be weird with the turn
22:25 Spork Lover: If you switched the 1/8 sliders out with a single tap
22:25 Spork Lover: It would feel really weird
22:25 Spork Lover: And that shouldn't be the case
22:26 squirrelpascals: oh okay
22:26 squirrelpascals: what if i mapped it as a stream first
22:26 squirrelpascals: lol
22:27 Spork Lover: What do you mean
22:27 Spork Lover: lol
22:28 squirrelpascals: map that ome part as a stream
22:28 squirrelpascals: and add the sliderends after
22:29 Spork Lover: 1/4 stream?
22:29 Spork Lover: Yeah
22:29 Spork Lover: Just throwing this out there
22:30 squirrelpascals: mkay
22:30 Spork Lover: But the extra diff is really good compared to nuts
22:30 Spork Lover: And imo the Nuts diff could just be an amplified version of the extra
22:30 squirrelpascals: isnt it tho, with the spaced streams and all
22:30 Spork Lover: Bit larger spacing, bit more density in spots where it makes sense
22:30 Spork Lover: Like
22:30 Spork Lover: There are some inconsistent things
22:31 Spork Lover: And also
22:31 Spork Lover: 00:15:907 (3,1,2,3,4,5) -
22:31 Spork Lover: On extra
22:31 Spork Lover: You're symmetric
22:31 Spork Lover: You're not symmetric on Nuts
22:31 Spork Lover: In many cases if at all
22:31 squirrelpascals: symmetry =/= good
22:31 Spork Lover: I mean
22:32 squirrelpascals: its a different style. you dont need to be symmetric to compliment a rhythm correctly or make a pattern work
22:32 squirrelpascals: thats my take on that
22:32 Spork Lover: There's more structure on the extra :p
22:32 squirrelpascals: whats your definition of structure then
22:33 Spork Lover: 00:26:685 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) -
22:33 Spork Lover: Stuff like the overlaps here
22:33 Spork Lover: Or erm
22:33 squirrelpascals: okay thats an example but how does structure apply to the patterns
22:33 Spork Lover: Like
22:34 Spork Lover: The overall looks was in my eyes what I meant
22:34 Spork Lover: It looks messy, due to stuff like erm
22:34 Spork Lover: 00:20:685 (2) -
22:35 Spork Lover: This overlapping, and not blanketing etc etc with 00:19:907 (4,1) -
22:35 Spork Lover: Or something along those lines
22:35 Spork Lover: There are a lot of examples
22:35 Spork Lover: 00:16:685 (1,3) -
22:36 squirrelpascals: if i moved 00:17:574 (3) - to x260 y76 would taht be better
22:37 Spork Lover: It would add a triangle pattern yes
22:37 Spork Lover: Or like
22:37 Spork Lover: Aesthetic triangle
22:37 Spork Lover: x)
22:37 squirrelpascals: and also, in the first example you mentioned those objects are a beat and a half apart. Does it still matter at that point?
22:37 Spork Lover: It does
22:37 Spork Lover: If it was blanketing you would notice
22:38 squirrelpascals: my point is, the notes fade by the time you get to 00:20:796 - right?
22:38 Spork Lover: Yeah
22:39 Spork Lover: But you still get the feel that it's overlapping in a weird
22:39 Spork Lover: way
22:39 squirrelpascals: okay what if i placed it here
22:39 squirrelpascals:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550969022:39 Spork Lover: Is better yes
22:39 squirrelpascals: okay
22:40 Spork Lover: Looks more structured that way due to the sharp angle being in the middle of the note
22:40 squirrelpascals: so if structure is the visual way notes correspond to eachother, i guess i know what it is. but i just dont do it well here
22:41 Spork Lover: 00:09:796 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - Emphasis is wrong, but you could do a small rework here
22:41 squirrelpascals: ugh cryptics mods encompassed that
22:42 squirrelpascals: would it be fine with the 1/2 slider spam again
22:42 Spork Lover:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550971522:42 Spork Lover: That's my idea
22:42 squirrelpascals: eh, i want kick sliders to emphasize the whiney sound
22:43 squirrelpascals: WAIT
22:43 Spork Lover: It would also make the player think "oh this song is legit underrated"
22:43 Spork Lover: SR wise
22:43 Spork Lover: x)
22:43 squirrelpascals: nvm
22:43 squirrelpascals: i had a good idea
22:44 Spork Lover: Can I hear about it?
22:44 squirrelpascals: just using repeat sliders instead of notes
22:44 squirrelpascals: it would make the beats too passive though
22:44 Spork Lover: Would be weird imo
22:45 Spork Lover: A spaced 135 BPM stream is better
22:45 Spork Lover: Or like erm
22:45 squirrelpascals: if a kickslider stream doesnt work here neither would a stream of any kind
22:45 squirrelpascals:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550973422:45 squirrelpascals: i did that, it got rid of the awkward spacing
22:45 Spork Lover:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550973622:45 Spork Lover: This would work
22:46 squirrelpascals: ohh i like that
22:46 Spork Lover: Spacing from first slider is off
22:46 Spork Lover: But you get me
22:46 squirrelpascals: but i feel like i shouldnt space notes yet at all here though
22:46 squirrelpascals: i dont want to give 00:09:796 - and 00:16:018 - the same emphasis
22:46 Spork Lover: Also, do some aesthetics rework to the 4 first sliders (00:08:907 (2,3,4,5) - )
22:47 Spork Lover: 'Cause it feels like they're turned in a random way
22:47 squirrelpascals: no, let me draw a picture real quick
22:48 Spork Lover: 9:796 is really intense imo
22:48 Spork Lover: And because you do decreased spacing on 16:018, it feels harder as well
22:48 Spork Lover: Than the other one
22:49 squirrelpascals:
http://imgur.com/CKOeUuP red = flow
22:49 Spork Lover: I mean
22:50 Spork Lover: The slider direction is random
22:50 Spork Lover: Not the placement
22:51 Spork Lover:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550975922:51 squirrelpascals: my point is that the slider direction goes right to left of the flow
22:51 squirrelpascals: if that works
22:51 Spork Lover: Idea for spacing ideas
22:51 Spork Lover: 'cause the part after the spinner is increased in intensity
22:51 squirrelpascals: okay i might just do something like that
22:51 Spork Lover: Also, the "stream" I made after 5 overlaps 4
22:51 Spork Lover: So it's back n' forth
22:52 Spork Lover: Linear flow on a plain section is rarely a nice thing to play
22:52 Spork Lover: But that's just my opinion
22:52 Spork Lover: :p
22:52 squirrelpascals: why does nobody like linear flow
22:52 squirrelpascals: geezus
22:52 Spork Lover: Feels unfair if you choke
22:53 Spork Lover: :p
22:53 Spork Lover: And the transition is kinda awkward
22:53 Spork Lover: When you do linear flow
22:55 Spork Lover: 00:33:574 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6) - If I talk about structure like before, how does the single taps 1, 3, 6 look?
22:55 squirrelpascals: are you talking abot the overlap of 00:33:574 (1) -
22:56 squirrelpascals: 00:33:796 (2,6) - seems fine
22:56 Spork Lover: Just the fact that they seem really close together
22:56 Spork Lover: Without having anything to do with each other
22:56 Spork Lover: 00:32:463 (5,1) -
22:56 squirrelpascals: i just fised that
22:57 squirrelpascals: i positioned 5 more appropriatley
22:57 Spork Lover: Idea:
22:57 Spork Lover:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550981222:57 Spork Lover: 2 perfectly overlaps the single tap 6
22:58 Spork Lover: And slider 1 isn't in the way
22:58 squirrelpascals: im trying to keep 1 kind of out of the middle
22:58 squirrelpascals: but i like what you did with 2
22:59 Spork Lover: You should overlap 1 with one of the notes too then
22:59 Spork Lover: Or make it do an obscure blanket somehow
22:59 squirrelpascals: okay how about this
22:59 Spork Lover: 00:35:796 (1,2,3,4,5) - Weird transition due to two things:
23:00 squirrelpascals:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550982423:00 squirrelpascals: 2 overlaps 6 in the same way 1 does with 1
23:00 squirrelpascals: transition to what
23:01 Spork Lover: 3-4-5 is linear
23:01 Spork Lover: + triangle pattern for a 4-note section
23:01 Spork Lover: Is kinda weird
23:01 Spork Lover: imo
23:01 Spork Lover:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550983323:02 Spork Lover: Weird idea
23:02 Spork Lover: I'd do it a lot differently
23:02 Spork Lover: (Didn't move 1-slider
23:02 squirrelpascals: i dont think this will get in the way too much, because 1234 is so distinguished from 5
23:02 Spork Lover: I mean
23:02 squirrelpascals: your idea feels cluttered
23:02 Spork Lover: Yeah it is
23:02 squirrelpascals: overlap 5 tail more with 3
23:03 Spork Lover: But I think that a 4-note with a 1,4 overlap is weird if it's not 1/3
23:03 Spork Lover: I'm thinking playability wise rn
23:04 squirrelpascals: so the 1,4 overlap is the problem?
23:05 Spork Lover: that on top of the triangle shape in a 1/4 4-note section
23:05 Spork Lover: It basically shouldn't be formed like a triangle
23:05 Spork Lover: But yeah
23:05 Spork Lover: :p
23:05 squirrelpascals: so then that means 01:20:018 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - is also a problem?
23:05 Spork Lover:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5509855 (Look at singletaps only)
23:05 Spork Lover: This would be acceptable
23:06 squirrelpascals: i asked smoothie world specifically about that pattern a while back and he said there wasnt a prob
23:06 Spork Lover: 01:21:352 (1,2,3,4) - These four are technically fine
23:07 Spork Lover: 01:20:018 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - But I'd do 3 squares here
23:07 Spork Lover: Or do back n' forths
23:08 squirrelpascals: okay i see what your saying
23:08 Spork Lover: Like
23:08 Spork Lover: You're basically forcing 3-note patterns when it's actually 4
23:08 squirrelpascals: yeah
23:09 Spork Lover: But if you do squares, make it overlap nicely or don't make them overlap at all
23:09 Spork Lover: Like...
23:09 Spork Lover: EITHER
23:11 Spork Lover:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550989223:12 Spork Lover:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550989723:12 Spork Lover: To me, the first suggestion is a lot better to play
23:13 Spork Lover: 'cause the way I made the second suggestion is very linear while also being super spaced
23:14 squirrelpascals: okay
23:14 Spork Lover: (On the first, I used polygon, then ctrl+c and ctrl+v, then scaled next square 1,1, and then turning it 10 degrees (All from selection centre)
23:14 Spork Lover: And then scaled by 1,08 on the second square, and turned by 10 degrees as well
23:14 Spork Lover: third I mean*
23:15 squirrelpascals: okay, im going to try that patttern in a variety of ways
23:15 Spork Lover: Yeah
23:15 Spork Lover: generally, don't make it look messy
23:16 Spork Lover: and don't force other x-note patterns apart from 4
23:16 Spork Lover: :3
23:16 squirrelpascals: gotcha, unless music calls for it
23:16 Spork Lover: Yes
23:16 squirrelpascals: im just redoing parts that i had in the alt diff not
23:16 squirrelpascals: now
23:16 Spork Lover: If 1/3, triangles are bliss
23:16 Spork Lover: Sounds good
23:17 squirrelpascals: oh if you like 1/3 triangles
23:17 Spork Lover: 00:26:685 (1,2) - On the insane, my god that's an annoying choke
23:17 squirrelpascals: im gonna have you playtest a mappu
23:17 squirrelpascals: im gonna redo this pattern first
23:18 Spork Lover: Yeah I'm just gonna write stuff down since you're savelogging anyway
23:18 Spork Lover: :p
23:18 Spork Lover: 00:27:574 (1,2) - Same with this
23:18 Spork Lover: ^ It's a baaad idea to place a note like that under the slider if it's a 4-way slider
23:18 Spork Lover: It's fine if it's a 3-way slider
23:19 squirrelpascals: its treated like a hold iirc
23:19 squirrelpascals: brb
23:19 Spork Lover: A sightreader will choke 100% on that reverse
23:19 Spork Lover: Or get a 100
23:19 Spork Lover: 00:34:463 (5) - Turn gradually, so it flows nicely with 00:33:574 (1,3) -
23:20 Spork Lover: Looks a lot better
23:20 Spork Lover:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/550993323:21 Spork Lover: I get the "mirrored" idea, but 5 feels out of place
23:22 squirrelpascals: uhhm i gtg
23:22 Spork Lover: 00:56:907 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - NC's inconsistent with all other diffs (extra)
23:22 Spork Lover: Aight
23:22 Spork Lover: Savelog this :3
23:22 squirrelpascals: can you do me a favor and save these logs and put them in the thread so i can get back to them?
23:22 Spork Lover: And we'll pick off where we left later