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Haha so none of 11 modders or 2 bns notice this "coincidence"?
Edit: oops 3 not 2 lol
Edit: oops 3 not 2 lol
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[ S a k u r a ] wrote:
coincidence?
Uuuh, what?
Dont tell me you are seriously saying he "stole" 10 seconds of Spy's set. Would be better if next time you point this out explaining what is wrong because it took me a while to figure out (yeah, blame 2:30 am)
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[ S a k u r a ] wrote:
coincidence?
hm... i dont see any problems here, you know... you SS the most soft part of the sound, the piano part, but you didnt tried to compare the ''hard'' parts or even the ''bursts'' but ok, hm i dont see ANY problem here.
And to be fair, i didnt DRAG AND DROP or did a ctrl+c ctrl+v, if you see the map as a whole map, you will see that those parts are even keysounded, and spy map dont have those keysounds does it?
I don't know, I did throught both maps for a while and taken these: http://puu.sh/s9wQw/3dc3c6790b.docx (Your map: Left // Spy's difficult: Right)
I mean, If you use some patterns as reference then it's fine, you can learn how the way it should be map but it's kind of a lot didn't it? My though so my apologies If I'm wrong
Hitsound / Keysound isn't an excuse tho
Also burst are repetitive but it's different from Spy's difficulty
Try to map with your own ideas, don't be strict with other maps
I mean, If you use some patterns as reference then it's fine, you can learn how the way it should be map but it's kind of a lot didn't it? My though so my apologies If I'm wrong
Hitsound / Keysound isn't an excuse tho
Also burst are repetitive but it's different from Spy's difficulty
Try to map with your own ideas, don't be strict with other maps
I will definetly check this thing as soon as I get back to my home. At least you are being cordial and that's a good thing! I do agree that keysounda and hitsounds aren't an excuse but that particular section is so minor that I can understand it being similar/identical. As for the rest I can't see it yet since i am at phone but I will give it a look.Kuo Kyoka wrote:
I don't know, I did throught both maps for a while and taken these: http://puu.sh/s9wQw/3dc3c6790b.docx (Your map: Left // Spy's difficult: Right)
I mean, If you use some patterns as reference then it's fine, you can learn how the way it should be map but it's kind of a lot didn't it? My though so my apologies If I'm wrong
Hitsound / Keysound isn't an excuse tho
Also burst are repetitive but it's different from Spy's difficulty
Try to map with your own ideas, don't be strict with other maps
And burst yeah, they are a bit repetitive but they make sense, and the music is really not giving many chances to map those burst in a really different way I would say.
Anyways, will edit later.
why didnt you add the times for those pics aaaaa my heaaad
Well, after looking at all those pics a little bit I have to say that most of them (in my opinion of course) look like an attempt to just attack the map. Some of them look way to similar indeed (think about it, if Felipe used Spy's map as a guideline it kinda makes sense) but they arent many of them and they arent that big either (like, was it 12 notes in a row the longer one?) and even with that, there are some cases where even it could be avoided, some of the stuff ended being as they are for stuff like hand balancing.
Some of them tho, look like just an attempt...
Like sure, they look similar but its not that you can really expect something that different on a song like this one which has a repetitive nature itself.
Anyways, we can still talk about this here if you feel like (for example, any particular pic of those that you want to mention more than any of the others) and perhaps even reach an agreement on some changes for the better sake of this map.
Hope I wasnt harsh either.
didn't even bother to check the ranked ver while modded this ain't nobody got time for that, but its the best not to use exact pattern with any excuse, people sometime take things too seriously *shrug*
imo remapping the 'same' part would simply better
imo remapping the 'same' part would simply better
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I would like that you guys judge my map as the ONLY spacetime map, i dont want you guys to ''compare'' maps with each other, i never see this happen and i dont see any rule with that.
This is not a Copy or something, if you guys want to at least say ''hey this section is equal this is not your idea'' ok, so lets see if less than 10% of my map is not ''my idea''(meaning that if you map one pattern it will be ever your idea, so who created the jumptrill? i guess he needs some credits in a lot of maps) my map is not mine, sure because i didnt maked any pattern, didnt added any jumps, didnt changed patterns for jack avoidance, didnt asked a lot of opnions, didnt asked for mods or something.
You guys dont try to help me, just attack me or something.
KK i got your point, but its not my true intention, i tried my best, removed a lot of notes, added a lot of notes, some patterns like the LN section were suggestion to be the same and you can know that if you read all the mods in this thread.
Sometimes i didnt get your point in some ScreenShots, like this
Like, whats wrong? ''the anchor in column one is the same?'' all my notes for the ''bass'' is a jump and its the same sound everytime so i just decided to be [12] everytime its confortable and its cool playing, and sometimes i changed the ''[12]'' for ''jack avoidance'' nothing more, didnt tried to copy spy map, like in your opnion, would you think that ''bass'' sound would fits on [23] or [34] ? i guess its more suitable in the left hand.
the point is, judge MY map as THIS MAP, dont compare my map with any other map to say ''hey look i know this pattern'', or at least try to do a good argument not just say ''coincidence?'' what do you mean about that? you want me to delete the map? change the section? I am not in your head to understand what you want so please explain a bit more about it next time.
This is not a Copy or something, if you guys want to at least say ''hey this section is equal this is not your idea'' ok, so lets see if less than 10% of my map is not ''my idea''(meaning that if you map one pattern it will be ever your idea, so who created the jumptrill? i guess he needs some credits in a lot of maps) my map is not mine, sure because i didnt maked any pattern, didnt added any jumps, didnt changed patterns for jack avoidance, didnt asked a lot of opnions, didnt asked for mods or something.
You guys dont try to help me, just attack me or something.
KK i got your point, but its not my true intention, i tried my best, removed a lot of notes, added a lot of notes, some patterns like the LN section were suggestion to be the same and you can know that if you read all the mods in this thread.
Sometimes i didnt get your point in some ScreenShots, like this
Like, whats wrong? ''the anchor in column one is the same?'' all my notes for the ''bass'' is a jump and its the same sound everytime so i just decided to be [12] everytime its confortable and its cool playing, and sometimes i changed the ''[12]'' for ''jack avoidance'' nothing more, didnt tried to copy spy map, like in your opnion, would you think that ''bass'' sound would fits on [23] or [34] ? i guess its more suitable in the left hand.
the point is, judge MY map as THIS MAP, dont compare my map with any other map to say ''hey look i know this pattern'', or at least try to do a good argument not just say ''coincidence?'' what do you mean about that? you want me to delete the map? change the section? I am not in your head to understand what you want so please explain a bit more about it next time.
i am an idiot
If you map two difficulties for the same map, it's inevitable that some parts will look the same, especially in a song like this, that doesn't really give too much freedom on mapping options. I really can't see a way to not map the bursts or not map jumpstreams on the choruses, it's inevitable that the map is going to be similar, as Juankristal clearly explained.
You yourself stated that you took reference to Spy's map, but then you don't wanna get compared with Spy's map?
People who have played Spy's space time and this map can easily notice that it is similar each other. Not sure if other BNs can agree with me, but one can notice it even running the song on auto.
I'm not anyone to judge your mapping skills. I do respect your mapping styles and your reasons for certain pattern, but Kyoka and Sakura's point are valid, in my opinion. Even though the song has limited potential for the pattern's diversity, it still can have more variations.
Well personally i like this map better, it's lot easier and contains reasonable and fun pattern, but it is inevitable being compared with Spy's map.
And yes, I agree with ajeemaniz. Remapping the similar part would solve this, imo.
People who have played Spy's space time and this map can easily notice that it is similar each other. Not sure if other BNs can agree with me, but one can notice it even running the song on auto.
I'm not anyone to judge your mapping skills. I do respect your mapping styles and your reasons for certain pattern, but Kyoka and Sakura's point are valid, in my opinion. Even though the song has limited potential for the pattern's diversity, it still can have more variations.
Well personally i like this map better, it's lot easier and contains reasonable and fun pattern, but it is inevitable being compared with Spy's map.
And yes, I agree with ajeemaniz. Remapping the similar part would solve this, imo.
Have you asked permission from spy for using his map as a base? i'm just pointing that out that it can be a good thing to have an okay from the person himself rather than asking BN if it's breaking the rules or not.
besides that you seem to take alot of things not just spy's patterns, but a photo shopped edit of over the tops BG with a banner that is a cut font from spy's space time font
also that red font hurts my eyes
besides that you seem to take alot of things not just spy's patterns, but a photo shopped edit of over the tops BG with a banner that is a cut font from spy's space time font
also that red font hurts my eyes
Topic Starter
Hm, right i'll not use the red font this time.Soul Evans wrote:
Have you asked permission from spy for using his map as a base? i'm just pointing that out that it can be a good thing to have an okay from the person himself rather than asking BN if it's breaking the rules or not.
besides that you seem to take alot of things not just spy's patterns, but a photo shopped edit of over the tops BG with a banner that is a cut font from spy's space time font
also that red font hurts my eyes
i talked with spy today on fb for some reasons
about permission i have a PM from 10month ago:
About the bg, i didnt ''taken'' over the top BG, i already explained to Ajeemaniz and Nivraad about this and its complete fine, and ''Over the top BG'' is ''stolen '' if you keep that mind https://osu.ppy.sh/s/193469 <- Leaf - Chronostasis(Taiko)
if you even Read the entirely thread, you will see that i explain clearly to here on this thread about this BG on Nivraad BN check, even after explaining we talking in private on discord and its completely fine.
I hope everything is clarified now
@soul he claims to have permission from spy go back one page to see the picture as for the picture, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using over the top as a component of a picture if zan didnt create the picture. If he stole it from google, what should prevent felipe from using the same picture.
Any considerable improvement from an existing shitmap should be appreciated.
Though using spy's map as a base should have its limits and it was claimed that only minor parts are similar which i assume are the calmer sections so that's perfectly fine for me. Map got modded a couple of times so unintentional copied sections may have been identical due to mods that intend to cover the song with technicality.
Let's all appreciate how these people ignored the fact that this map used consistent minijacks for the chorus to stand out from spy's map
Any considerable improvement from an existing shitmap should be appreciated.
Though using spy's map as a base should have its limits and it was claimed that only minor parts are similar which i assume are the calmer sections so that's perfectly fine for me. Map got modded a couple of times so unintentional copied sections may have been identical due to mods that intend to cover the song with technicality.
Let's all appreciate how these people ignored the fact that this map used consistent minijacks for the chorus to stand out from spy's map
Topic Starter
I totally agree with you, good point.Lenfried- wrote:
Though using spy's map as a base should have its limits and it was claimed that only minor parts are similar which i assume are the calmer sections so that's perfectly fine for me. Map got modded a couple of times so unintentional copied sections may have been identical due to mods that intend to cover the song with technicality.
Let's all appreciate how these people ignored the fact that this map used consistent minijacks for the chorus to stand out from spy's map
Just want to explain he only asked me if he can take MP3 and hitsounds.
But one day I online and got the message that he said he took my map as reference.
I looked some parts it actually it is not bad from my view.
But I didn't check it carefully. And I thought he referred what he should follow or what.
I know Space Time wasn't a good map. But to someone, before you are saying a map is a shit, you had better think about how your map is, hehe. Nobody is discussing how my map is but why the patterns are same in many parts.
For fast solution, remap then or explain it as well. Instead of keep saying Spy's map is what and Spy is doing what.
Besides, I said nothing in my Facebook, only asked if that is true.
People who said I'm claiming pattern copying should learn Chinese more. It's kinda shameful.
Also to some of FelipeLink's friends, stop sending trash to my PM. It won't be helpful for this map and how come it is related to me since my map get ranked for long time and now blaming me for ABC or DEF?
Please. Stop bothering me.
But one day I online and got the message that he said he took my map as reference.
I looked some parts it actually it is not bad from my view.
But I didn't check it carefully. And I thought he referred what he should follow or what.
I know Space Time wasn't a good map. But to someone, before you are saying a map is a shit, you had better think about how your map is, hehe. Nobody is discussing how my map is but why the patterns are same in many parts.
For fast solution, remap then or explain it as well. Instead of keep saying Spy's map is what and Spy is doing what.
Besides, I said nothing in my Facebook, only asked if that is true.
People who said I'm claiming pattern copying should learn Chinese more. It's kinda shameful.
Also to some of FelipeLink's friends, stop sending trash to my PM. It won't be helpful for this map and how come it is related to me since my map get ranked for long time and now blaming me for ABC or DEF?
Please. Stop bothering me.
I like this! For the better future of osumania, fighting~ 
Still feel like it's Spy map but rearranged 50%, more jacks and stuffs
So on, nevermind what I said then, continue with your point of views. Did you done it the right way? I mean If you took Spy's map as reference, then you can take something like snaps, or some few technical patterns which help you map much more easier, but it's kind of overused, overall I check it, some patterns are just the same but rearranged by your own pattern (balance, jacks, pitch etc. or whatever). And I didn't say you copy Spy's pattern since you said you just reference so I respect it, I don't want to get involved to any dramas here, If you think you done the right thing, you can continue to do it by your ways, I do respect other's opinion so I don't have my will to change their minds If they don't want to. But just thinking about it then. As I said, don't get strict from any mappers and other's map, stay creative by your own ideas.
So, good luck. Hope my words didn't harrashing either.
So on, nevermind what I said then, continue with your point of views. Did you done it the right way? I mean If you took Spy's map as reference, then you can take something like snaps, or some few technical patterns which help you map much more easier, but it's kind of overused, overall I check it, some patterns are just the same but rearranged by your own pattern (balance, jacks, pitch etc. or whatever). And I didn't say you copy Spy's pattern since you said you just reference so I respect it, I don't want to get involved to any dramas here, If you think you done the right thing, you can continue to do it by your ways, I do respect other's opinion so I don't have my will to change their minds If they don't want to. But just thinking about it then. As I said, don't get strict from any mappers and other's map, stay creative by your own ideas.
So, good luck. Hope my words didn't harrashing either.
Felipe, de qualquer forma podias ter optado por fazer um mapa de 5k em vez de 4k (já que 4k e 5k são muito parecidos) assim evitavas esta discussão e critica.
Bem com todo o respeito não vejo muito espaço de melhoria no mapa do Spy ou num mapa de 4K (ranked) qualquer pois 4! é um número muito baixo, a não ser que o BPM seja muito alto e lhe falta notas para estar abordar todas que a música contem ( o mapa foi concluído abaixo da dificuldade que devia ter) acho que as pessoas deviam diversificar mais a quantidade de teclas que usam.
Bem boa sorte!
ps: Não ligues demasiado, a música é boa e o mapa é divertido
Bem com todo o respeito não vejo muito espaço de melhoria no mapa do Spy ou num mapa de 4K (ranked) qualquer pois 4! é um número muito baixo, a não ser que o BPM seja muito alto e lhe falta notas para estar abordar todas que a música contem ( o mapa foi concluído abaixo da dificuldade que devia ter) acho que as pessoas deviam diversificar mais a quantidade de teclas que usam.
Bem boa sorte!
ps: Não ligues demasiado, a música é boa e o mapa é divertido
Topic Starter
Dont worry i didnt find Harrashing or something, i respect other people opnion, and i dont want to make dramas too, dont worry i'm not this type of person.Kuo Kyoka wrote:
Still feel like it's Spy map but rearranged 50%, more jacks and stuffs
So on, nevermind what I said then, continue with your point of views. Did you done it the right way? I mean If you took Spy's map as reference, then you can take something like snaps, or some few technical patterns which help you map much more easier, but it's kind of overused, overall I check it, some patterns are just the same but rearranged by your own pattern (balance, jacks, pitch etc. or whatever). And I didn't say you copy Spy's pattern since you said you just reference so I respect it, I don't want to get involved to any dramas here, If you think you done the right thing, you can continue to do it by your ways, I do respect other's opinion so I don't have my will to change their minds If they don't want to. But just thinking about it then. As I said, don't get strict from any mappers and other's map, stay creative by your own ideas.
So, good luck. Hope my words didn't harrashing either.
Still, the ''principal'' idea on my spacetime is the ''jumpjacks'' on the Kiai sections and a lot of minijacks to represent one type of sound(same sound of the kiai section but sometimes is weaker thats why its only minijack and not jumpjacks).
Sei que a Space Time poderia ser muito mais difícil do que ela é hoje, mas no tempo que eu fiz ela não tinha nenhuma capacidade de fazer ela um map tão difícil, hoje em dia eu sei o quão difícil ela poderia ser.Cra Dow wrote:
Felipe, de qualquer forma podias ter optado por fazer um mapa de 5k em vez de 4k (já que 4k e 5k são muito parecidos) assim evitavas esta discussão e critica.
Bem com todo o respeito não vejo muito espaço de melhoria no mapa do Spy ou num mapa de 4K (ranked) qualquer pois 4! é um número muito baixo, a não ser que o BPM seja muito alto e lhe falta notas para estar abordar todas que a música contem ( o mapa foi concluído abaixo da dificuldade que devia ter) acho que as pessoas deviam diversificar mais a quantidade de teclas que usam.
Bem boa sorte!
ps: Não ligues demasiado, a música é boa e o mapa é divertido
Sobre a questão de fazer um 5k, isso está fora de questão pois mesmo que sejam ''parecidos'' eu não jogo 5k e como não jogo não tenho experiência e não saberia fazer patterns confortáveis! Por isso a escolha do 4k!
Obrigado pelo apoio! ^^
Greetings and grats to qualify!
Since things got a bit out of hand here it's time to say few words.
As first: The map doesn't give much more than Spy has already mapped in his Space Time. Felipe you can't deny that the overall structure of your beatmap is really close to Spy's Space Time. But on the other hand no one has the right to say "this are my pattern". Especially on a pretty.. mh.. repetitive song like this one.
So overall it is normal that some pattern look pretty similar to the other Beatmap.
Few sections in the Beatmap look really really same.. i don't want to say that this are "stolen" pattern, they are pretty much inspired by Spy's Space Time a lot.
Let me start with the LN's at: 01:03:292 - This look kinda same for me. At least you tried to add some variety what is a good thing.
But the LN's are mostly at the same places.
But you also have to see it from this view: What else would you map here? In this section exist pretty much only the LN sounds with the short 1/4 sections. I don't really see a problem here. (But you could had place the LN's at least a bit different)
Let's go to this place here: 01:25:063 -
This looks very copied for me. You could follow at least the correct PR at some places to let it look different. The long notes on different places and then the Piano Notes more PR orientated.
As example :
01:49:749 (109749|2,109920|3) - CTRL + G for PR and move these notes to 3-2-1, then you could place 01:49:835 (109835|0) - on 4 to be able to arrange 01:52:663 (112663|1,112835|2,113006|0) - to PR more again. And so one.
02:08:949 - This section is kinda weird too. When i remove one note from each chord it looks pretty much like Spy's Stream, just mirrored. (not completely of course) but it looks similar.
02:22:835 - is pretty obvious. But maybe it's just coincidence.
02:33:806 (153806|1,154149|1) - Let me cri. PR!!
02:39:120 (159120|1,159635|1) - here too.
In the first Kiai some sections look similar too, but again: You can't map really much more than it was already. Felipe made here a close stream while Spy had several 1/4 breaks in it.
03:58:663 - This Part again, could be way more PR orientated.
From 04:20:606 - to 04:26:092 - . This is something i already disliked in Spy's Map. You doesn't have here any kind of clear 1/4 sound. I had to turn up the volume on my Headphones on max to be able to hear barley any 1/4 sound here. I would highly recommend you to follow here the double 1/4 sounds + Snares + Piano's. It shows a: A clear difference to the other map and B: removes the, for me, kinda obvious Ghost Notes.
I would even make it until 04:31:577 - because from here start's a clearly louder sound which is actually mapable in 1/4.
Also what i don't like is you have several anchors in your beatmap which look kinda weird and unneeded :/
As example 00:51:463 (51463|0,51635|0,51806|0,51977|0,52149|0,52320|0,52492|0) -
04:43:063 (283063|1,283235|1,283406|1,283577|1,283749|1,283920|1) - dis one too
04:45:977 (285977|1,286149|1,286320|1,286492|1,286663|1,286835|1,287006|1,287177|1,287349|1,287520|1) -
05:05:006 (305006|1,305177|1,305349|1,305520|1,305692|1,305863|1,306035|1) - again
05:35:692 (335692|3,335863|3,336035|3,336206|3,336377|3,336549|3,336720|3) - here too
And few more. Don't gonna point out all now.
Alright. Overall said for all now: It is almost impossible to make a beatmap completely different to this song. The Song is simply too repetitive and it is kinda normal that the overall structure will look similar.
Few sections could be improved in my eye's but this little "mod" i dropped as Mapper, not as QAT. I will not DQ it because of this now when Felipe doesn't want it. In my eyes you could improve the beatmap first at few points but it's up to you how you see my Mod.
Mostly bug's me the section from 04:20:606 - because it has clearly no 1/4 sound.
Also you could let look several pattern i pointed out different so that ppl doesn't start to think you did "steal" pattern from Spy. I don't think you did it but you must confess, it looks like it.
With this being said i wish you furthermore good luck with this beatmap in the Qualify!
Since things got a bit out of hand here it's time to say few words.
As first: The map doesn't give much more than Spy has already mapped in his Space Time. Felipe you can't deny that the overall structure of your beatmap is really close to Spy's Space Time. But on the other hand no one has the right to say "this are my pattern". Especially on a pretty.. mh.. repetitive song like this one.
So overall it is normal that some pattern look pretty similar to the other Beatmap.
Few sections in the Beatmap look really really same.. i don't want to say that this are "stolen" pattern, they are pretty much inspired by Spy's Space Time a lot.
Let me start with the LN's at: 01:03:292 - This look kinda same for me. At least you tried to add some variety what is a good thing.
But the LN's are mostly at the same places.
But you also have to see it from this view: What else would you map here? In this section exist pretty much only the LN sounds with the short 1/4 sections. I don't really see a problem here. (But you could had place the LN's at least a bit different)
Let's go to this place here: 01:25:063 -
This looks very copied for me. You could follow at least the correct PR at some places to let it look different. The long notes on different places and then the Piano Notes more PR orientated.
As example :
01:49:749 (109749|2,109920|3) - CTRL + G for PR and move these notes to 3-2-1, then you could place 01:49:835 (109835|0) - on 4 to be able to arrange 01:52:663 (112663|1,112835|2,113006|0) - to PR more again. And so one.
02:08:949 - This section is kinda weird too. When i remove one note from each chord it looks pretty much like Spy's Stream, just mirrored. (not completely of course) but it looks similar.
02:22:835 - is pretty obvious. But maybe it's just coincidence.
02:33:806 (153806|1,154149|1) - Let me cri. PR!!
02:39:120 (159120|1,159635|1) - here too.
In the first Kiai some sections look similar too, but again: You can't map really much more than it was already. Felipe made here a close stream while Spy had several 1/4 breaks in it.
03:58:663 - This Part again, could be way more PR orientated.
From 04:20:606 - to 04:26:092 - . This is something i already disliked in Spy's Map. You doesn't have here any kind of clear 1/4 sound. I had to turn up the volume on my Headphones on max to be able to hear barley any 1/4 sound here. I would highly recommend you to follow here the double 1/4 sounds + Snares + Piano's. It shows a: A clear difference to the other map and B: removes the, for me, kinda obvious Ghost Notes.
I would even make it until 04:31:577 - because from here start's a clearly louder sound which is actually mapable in 1/4.
Also what i don't like is you have several anchors in your beatmap which look kinda weird and unneeded :/
As example 00:51:463 (51463|0,51635|0,51806|0,51977|0,52149|0,52320|0,52492|0) -
04:43:063 (283063|1,283235|1,283406|1,283577|1,283749|1,283920|1) - dis one too
04:45:977 (285977|1,286149|1,286320|1,286492|1,286663|1,286835|1,287006|1,287177|1,287349|1,287520|1) -
05:05:006 (305006|1,305177|1,305349|1,305520|1,305692|1,305863|1,306035|1) - again
05:35:692 (335692|3,335863|3,336035|3,336206|3,336377|3,336549|3,336720|3) - here too
And few more. Don't gonna point out all now.
Alright. Overall said for all now: It is almost impossible to make a beatmap completely different to this song. The Song is simply too repetitive and it is kinda normal that the overall structure will look similar.
Few sections could be improved in my eye's but this little "mod" i dropped as Mapper, not as QAT. I will not DQ it because of this now when Felipe doesn't want it. In my eyes you could improve the beatmap first at few points but it's up to you how you see my Mod.
Mostly bug's me the section from 04:20:606 - because it has clearly no 1/4 sound.
Also you could let look several pattern i pointed out different so that ppl doesn't start to think you did "steal" pattern from Spy. I don't think you did it but you must confess, it looks like it.
With this being said i wish you furthermore good luck with this beatmap in the Qualify!
I ran a text comparison of both versions of this map, and while you claim to be "inspired" by it, I figured that you literally just took the .osu file from the original, rearranged a few things here and there (hey, lets move this note from 4 to 3! https://puu.sh/scA5V/51f6117050.png) or added a few weirdly named hitsounds (https://puu.sh/scAw8/003fe08374.png).
I don't call that inspired. I call that plagiarism. Maybe you should map something entirely on your own before you start getting stuff qualified. Thank you very much.
EDIT: oh well, kudos to you, you made the very inspired choice to raise the HP from 8 to 9. Well if that isn't creative, eh?
EDIT2: the silver lining here is, well, that Spy's original is maybe not that bad at all, given that majority of it still gets qualified nowadays, especially by people who may or may not have been very unfair towards Spy and his map back then.
I don't call that inspired. I call that plagiarism. Maybe you should map something entirely on your own before you start getting stuff qualified. Thank you very much.
EDIT: oh well, kudos to you, you made the very inspired choice to raise the HP from 8 to 9. Well if that isn't creative, eh?
EDIT2: the silver lining here is, well, that Spy's original is maybe not that bad at all, given that majority of it still gets qualified nowadays, especially by people who may or may not have been very unfair towards Spy and his map back then.
Topic Starter
So, you're DQ'ing my map for ''plagiarism'' and its not ''my stuff'', right.. i guess you're reffering about this rule ''Do not steal others' beatmaps, presenting them as if they're mapped by you. Do not also upload or use other people's work without their explicit permission (including, but not limited to skins and guest difficulties).''Loctav wrote:
I ran a text comparison of both versions of this map, and while you claim to be "inspired" by it, I figured that you literally just took the .osu file from the original, rearranged a few things here and there (hey, lets move this note from 4 to 3! https://puu.sh/scA5V/51f6117050.png) or added a few weirdly named hitsounds (https://puu.sh/scAw8/003fe08374.png).
I don't call that inspired. I call that plagiarism. Maybe you should map something entirely on your own before you start getting stuff qualified. Thank you very much.
EDIT: oh well, kudos to you, you made the very inspired choice to raise the HP from 8 to 9. Well if that isn't creative, eh?
EDIT2: the silver lining here is, well, that Spy's original is maybe not that bad at all, given that majority of it still gets qualified nowadays, especially by people who may or may not have been very unfair towards Spy and his map back then.
First of all, i did use Spy map as a base, but i did respect this rule, i asked for permission and i have ScreenShots to prove that.(Those SS are already on this Thread btw)
Spy Clearly gives his permission, and already Know about this map a long time ago.
And if you even look the entirely map not ScreenShots, you will see that minor parts are similar.
I dont see any rule saying that i cant have similar sections to other map.
Loctav, i want you to reconsider my map and not just DQ without even trying to talk with me(you have a lot of ways to talk with me, osu!,discord,etc).
Well i dont see why my map is DQ, so please reconsider.
Claiming that "some minor parts are identical" is highly disrespectful, when people who're examining the map are finding major portions that are copied note for note over. In generic jumpstream, there's 72 ways to pattern a measure such that no jacks happen. the fact that there's so much overlap suggests that regardless of getting permission from the original mapper, have plagarized pretty badly.
If someone can take a screenshot and point out a run of like nearly 50 identically stepped notes in a file, that's not minor at all.
In addition, when you asked for "permission" all you specified was if you could use it as a "base" and for "hitsounding". it seems like your definition of "using as a base" is "copy pasting sections that you don't know how to map properly"
2c
edit: also in the opening:
why credit only for hitsounds, and not the majority of the file unless you're trying to skirt around the issue?
If someone can take a screenshot and point out a run of like nearly 50 identically stepped notes in a file, that's not minor at all.
In addition, when you asked for "permission" all you specified was if you could use it as a "base" and for "hitsounding". it seems like your definition of "using as a base" is "copy pasting sections that you don't know how to map properly"
2c
edit: also in the opening:
why credit only for hitsounds, and not the majority of the file unless you're trying to skirt around the issue?
anyway BG name is Over the Time or Space the Over ? 
Okay, so on the stuff getting more serious, I was asking Spy if he does allow you use his map as base so this is our replies
I hope this one explain well and cooldown this situlation.
Chat log
Kuo Kyoka 11:48:48 SA
hnm hey Spy, since FelipeLink keep saying you let him use your map as reference and it's almost same to your pattern but change some column, in the first place, did you allowed him to do that? was curious
Spy 11:49:21 SA
？？
Spy 11:49:29 SA
Well
Spy 11:49:46 SA
I saw PM he post
Spy 11:49:59 SA
And I still own same contents here
Spy 11:50:14 SA
So I won't say something like, "I didn't say that"
Spy 11:50:17 SA
Or what.
Spy 11:50:22 SA
But I'm sure
Spy 11:50:31 SA
When he sent PM to me
Spy 11:50:53 SA
I only respond to "take mp3 and hitsounds"
Kuo Kyoka 11:51:02 SA
oh
Spy 11:51:04 SA
So I answered "feel free to use it"
Kuo Kyoka 11:51:31 SA
so it's not about pattern?
Spy 11:51:31 SA
About he said that he took my map as base or reference
Spy 11:51:36 SA
Yea.
Spy 11:51:38 SA
But
Spy 11:52:05 SA
It is always common in mapping, there is none of copyright in my map lmao
Spy 11:52:28 SA
So even if get copied, or get same patterns in other maps
Spy 11:52:38 SA
It actually no surprised imo
Spy 11:52:41 SA
But
Spy 11:53:00 SA
I just wondering what he mean about "take my map as base"
Spy 11:53:11 SA
What is base? It has many definitions
Spy 11:53:43 SA
We can refer a map for doing same following way
Kuo Kyoka 11:53:44 SA
hmm i guess both of you are misunderstanding or not understanding what is it mean at the first place
Kuo Kyoka 11:53:50 SA
yes
Spy 11:54:10 SA
It could be same following way but different patterns
Kuo Kyoka 11:54:11 SA
for me i thought it would be for reference
Spy 11:54:22 SA
Maybe language barrier
Kuo Kyoka 11:54:41 SA
like snap or something like that, but the whole map with your pattern but rearrange with his own ideas and so on ...
Spy 11:54:43 SA
But I seriously never respond about the taking map as base or reference
Kuo Kyoka 11:54:54 SA
i suppose so
Spy 11:54:58 SA
And he once asked me to check
Spy 11:55:08 SA
I have no time so only quick check
Spy 11:55:17 SA
It actually not bad and better so much
Spy 11:55:32 SA
But I told him some parts can be changed for better.
Spy 11:55:37 SA
That is
Spy 11:55:58 SA
But I'm not sure if he really did or not
Spy 11:56:22 SA
Because it was long time ago, I don't really remember how the map is at the time
Kuo Kyoka 11:56:30 SA
and you dont know his pattern was follow your map?
Kuo Kyoka 11:56:33 SA
i see
Kuo Kyoka 11:56:37 SA
i guess so
Spy 11:56:39 SA
I don't know at the first time
Spy 11:56:50 SA
Until get qualified, and people told me that
Spy 11:57:05 SA
But I still haven't check it due to I'm busy for my exams
Spy 11:57:08 SA
So
Spy 11:57:13 SA
Give a conclusion
Spy 11:57:34 SA
Copy is ok, referring is ok, everything is ok
Spy 11:57:43 SA
You can do it this time due to I mapped this
Spy 11:57:50 SA
But how about next time?
Kuo Kyoka 11:58:05 SA
yup
Spy 11:58:15 SA
A good mapper should has independent opinions on mapping ideas
Spy 11:58:26 SA
We know sometimes may have no idea how to do it
Spy 11:58:37 SA
It is ok if refer other maps
Kuo Kyoka 11:58:39 SA
well kind of not comfort me when he keep posting "spy let me use his map etc." everytime
Spy 11:58:51 SA
Like I did it in my earlier maps when I just started to mapping
Spy 11:59:04 SA
Well
Spy 11:59:18 SA
He may misunderstood
Spy 11:59:27 SA
Or maybe I didn't say it clearly
Spy 12:00:17 CH
I don't mind if he keep those patterns
Spy 12:00:18 CH
But
Spy 12:00:33 CH
How people think about him and his maps may be another things
Kuo Kyoka 12:00:59 CH
but hmm, i already aid it on thread that every mappers has their own ideas and opinion on they ways to mapping or doing they own things so ... i kinda dont like someone just directly use someone else ideas and fix to his own map
Spy 12:01:14 CH
Kuo Kyoka 12:01:14 CH
well thats the case
Spy 12:01:19 CH
I don't like to
Spy 12:01:21 CH
Too
Spy 12:01:38 CH
When I saw someone took my SV change in same song
Spy 12:01:41 CH
I actually mad
Spy 12:01:50 CH
But I have nothing could do for this and
Spy 12:01:57 CH
Change other view is
Spy 12:02:13 CH
Maybe my works are good so they took it
Kuo Kyoka 12:02:16 CH
i guess both of you havent explain better so happen misunderstanding
Kuo Kyoka 12:02:27 CH
lmao gg
Kuo Kyoka 12:02:33 CH
Kuo Kyoka 12:02:48 CH
that hana map?
Spy 12:03:28 CH
But anyway I think, it will be better to think about how to map in better instead of keeping my patterns may be a lesson here I think
Kuo Kyoka 12:03:34 CH
i dont like people stealing sv or pattern things and put that to their own maps and say its by them so i can understand that
Spy 12:03:36 CH
Yea but anyway I don't care anymore
Kuo Kyoka 12:03:49 CH
ah okay
Spy 12:03:55 CH
From now I'm taking everything easily
Spy 12:03:57 CH
So
Spy 12:04:09 CH
Leave these to the community and staffs
Kuo Kyoka 12:04:25 CH
hmm if that is your wish then ok
Spy 12:04:50 CH
I just hope none of them to disturb me for meme or any drama related to my maps
Spy 12:05:00 CH
Including case like this
Kuo Kyoka 12:05:27 CH
i just cant stand when someone use same patterns with other map for more than 10 times conflict, in the meantime it got 50+, feel like your map but just more jacks and double 1/4 burst changed etc.
Kuo Kyoka 12:05:39 CH
just leave that
Kuo Kyoka 12:05:47 CH
don't reply it back
Kuo Kyoka 12:06:06 CH
you own the things so ...
Spy 12:06:16 CH
Well
Spy 12:06:57 CH
I don't want to break his works by this case
Spy 12:07:07 CH
But I'm actually a bit innocent
Spy 12:07:30 CH
I just feel like
Spy 12:07:50 CH
"Spy said he agreed but now he said no, he is a liar"
Spy 12:07:53 CH
But I'm not
Spy 12:08:42 CH
I just hope everything will be fine and not to mention me anymore
Spy 12:09:16 CH
Since it get dq'd
Kuo Kyoka 12:09:19 CH
if this one explained well i guess you're fine to do that
Spy 12:10:01 CH
There is no case that requalified directly without any changes if not staff's mistakes
Spy 12:10:53 CH
So i think try to change those parts that get mentioned will be faster than arguing "Spy said what"
Spy 12:11:06 CH
Anyway I guess that's all
Spy 12:12:00 CH
I hope the map will be fine then. And feel sorry for mapper. Also I'm tired getting bothered from Brazilian sending trash meme to me in my PM or Facebook.
Spy 12:12:09 CH
*of
Kuo Kyoka 12:13:18 CH
i read the dq stuffs, argee with Loctav about this.
like hey, its your map, not other's map, your map your ideas, if you think people let you use their patterns then you should do that as reference, reference only, and it still feel like your map but remapped a bit .
on thread feel like he just avoiding he fact that he use your patterns, and say jack from me so this is my map imo
Kuo Kyoka 12:13:34 CH
ok good
Spy 12:13:49 CH
Kuo Kyoka 12:14:17 CH
in anycase, its his work, better make it with his own ways, dont get limited by someone else, thats all
Spy 12:14:28 CH
I don't really care how mapper's think. Since I'm retired and not QAT. I'm just a mapper that rank maps sometimes
Kuo Kyoka 12:14:42 CH
no, you are noob
Kuo Kyoka 12:14:47 CH
Spy 12:14:47 CH
I actually agree
Spy 12:14:58 CH
With Loctav
Spy 12:15:01 CH
But
Spy 12:15:03 CH
Spy 12:15:14 CH
Dude I'm so tired of arguing this or that
Spy 12:15:23 CH
Can we not to talk about this anymore
Spy 12:15:25 CH
Kuo Kyoka 12:15:42 CH
ok so just igrone that brazil meme on facebook or your pm then, you dont have to reply things you dont want to do so ..
Kuo Kyoka 12:15:52 CH
a ok
Spy 12:15:59 CH
I actually ignored
Kuo Kyoka 12:16:36 CH
and hey, can i post this to thread? if this explained well and they understand it, i hope the things are more better
Spy 12:16:51 CH
Spy 12:17:06 CH
It's up to you, just don't bother me for this again
Kuo Kyoka 12:17:16 CH
ok
Kuo Kyoka 12:17:26 CH
i will bother you other thigs then haha
Spy 12:17:37 CH
Kuo Kyoka 12:18:05 CH
also thanks, i guess this explain, i dont want to say more in thread about pattern things
Kuo Kyoka 12:18:32 CH
Spy 12:18:56 CH
Hope it will be helpful then
Kuo Kyoka 12:19:09 CH
okay
IMG / So that you won't think I made it by my self
The uptop messages can't sync to my PC so I can't srceenshot it
I hope this one explain well and cooldown this situlation.
And I would say, usually no one will ask for using the diffs themselves to mod it into their own, since plagiarism is a severe problem. So maybe there is, in a way, some misunderstanding between you and the original mapper. Since usually the punishment will be much more severe than only a disqualification, and you already see the real attitude of the original mapper, just make a map on your own. And never do this anymore.
You guys already proved your point a long time ago, why don't you just suggest him ideas for new patterns? The music is repetitive, and Felipe has changed a lot of things on the map already, if he didn't change those patterns, he literally didn't find a way to do so (you see, he asked the modders if there was any problem with both of the maps being that close on some parts). Attacking him like this is just going to make things worse; he has already had his lesson, so you could stop now and help him.
Also Loctav, considering this is a rhythm game, you shouldn't judge a map by just looking at it on the notepad, neither should you a mapper's intentions nor anything like that before looking at the rest of the thread, this is pretty unprofessional, and honestly, I never expected that from you.
Also Loctav, considering this is a rhythm game, you shouldn't judge a map by just looking at it on the notepad, neither should you a mapper's intentions nor anything like that before looking at the rest of the thread, this is pretty unprofessional, and honestly, I never expected that from you.
EDIT: apparently the first part of this post is not needed anymore
I'll be keeping the rest though
Also another thing I'd like to say is that Juan, Protastic and Niv were not related to the original Space Time, so it's a bit unfair to make that last comment.
@Daikyi: Half of your post is "Good point!!"
But the other half just sounds like you're trying to argue that Link was intentionally stealing a map for the sake of ranking it in his name.
There's no need to discuss or make points about motives or how good or bad a person is here. That'll only lead to destroying Link's reputation as a person, not a mapper.
Of course, if you do believe Felipe deserves that happening to him, we can beautifully, coolly and calmly argue about that later.
I'll be keeping the rest though
Also another thing I'd like to say is that Juan, Protastic and Niv were not related to the original Space Time, so it's a bit unfair to make that last comment.
@Daikyi: Half of your post is "Good point!!"
But the other half just sounds like you're trying to argue that Link was intentionally stealing a map for the sake of ranking it in his name.
There's no need to discuss or make points about motives or how good or bad a person is here. That'll only lead to destroying Link's reputation as a person, not a mapper.
Of course, if you do believe Felipe deserves that happening to him, we can beautifully, coolly and calmly argue about that later.
There will be no problems if you just map everything by yourself at the start from scratch
Such a song with repetivity if redone from scratch with the intentions of being a fairly difficult map will always end up with a seemingly plagiarized result (consider the modding phase).
Going denser is absurd. The simplicity of the song doesnt give way to utilize a different layering.
The only way is to go less dense with the issue at hand.
Any contradictions with reason are greatly appreciated.
Going denser is absurd. The simplicity of the song doesnt give way to utilize a different layering.
The only way is to go less dense with the issue at hand.
Any contradictions with reason are greatly appreciated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_noteLoctav wrote:
weirdly named hitsounds (https://puu.sh/scAw8/003fe08374.png)
Simply you can done these pattern, or neat with it with your double-jump jack pattern you did it on chorus. It's not that hard for you to think of new pattern I believe
Even it's a repetitive hardcore song, but there are a plenty of patterns that could be fit in your map, your style, your ways, no need to be strict from other maps anyway
Try to map with your own, independence and think a pattern that could comfortable while playing and good to you. Good luck!
well, why u no make it as a collab instead of claiming it as your own diff? gotta be an easy solution imho *grabs popcorn*