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Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,225 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Ascendance

M1k0 wrote:

Awesome!
You need to add the ability to search in 2 Queues, like !q e,s
maybe someday!

I think I've said this before but just in case I haven't -

We NEVER intended to use the ranking barriers as a promotion of rank = skill or whatever. They are purely to keep 3 digit players from queuing into beginner and high 5 digit players from queuing into expert. Simple as that, we don't want games ruined. I'm sure beginner players don't want to play vs. rank 900 and Expert players want to actually compete against players of their skill, not a rank 80,000.

We won't now and won't EVER take osu's pp ranking system into consideration when finding matches for our system. Rating will sort itself out eventually, your best bet is to just be patient.
Braediac
29 posts
Joined December 2014
Braediac

tfg50 wrote:

Braediac wrote:

Love the Concept but the execution seemed quite poor to me personally. I try and play Standard because it seems to be the right difficulty for me and beginner is too low for me. This is all fine but i don't enjoy going into games and finding someone who is rank #5 worldwide in standard and is rank 1000. To me this just ruins any competition as higher (Osu!) ranked players can still play against those that are rank 60k and up. There needs to be some restrictions on who can play what difficulty. The expert difficulty seems a bit out of reach so i would suggest lowering it to maybe 6-7k and the making that number the cap to playing standard. Beginner also has its fair share of problems. The cap to play beginner is around 13k if i remember correctly and that seems a bit too high. If a player can reach 13k in rank, they can play 5* maps. The ranking system seems like a good idea but with all these problems, it seems like its unnecessary. This is all just my personal opinion on how things can be improved so it can be a much more enjoyable experience for all people :)
No... just no... You are overestimating the meaning of pp rank. I'm ranked 1.9k and I'm BARELY able to pass half of the expert picks, if you limit standard to 6k it will turn into fail-fest. Also I have a friend that is rank 30k-40k atm that only plays insanely difficult stuff that can pass harder maps than me. It all depends on the playstyle.

If you keep on playing standard you will be placed on the spot that you deserve, the same is true for everyone else. After you get your rank, you will be matched with people that have about the same rating as you which means no matches against people around 1k rank unless they are throwing to lose rating. That's only true if there are people q'ing for standard ofc, if there isn't anyone close to you the system will match you up with anybody that is q'ing at the moment after a while and even then you should lose few rating points, assuming the system is based on elo.

Also, have you ever watched tournaments? More often than not people have high scores, not just 2-4m scores on a map that is 1k+ combo long.
My thoughts were more to try and get those who can play the expert difficulty maps and who can easily FC every standard map over and over again out of the standard difficulties so people aren't constantly facing against people who just want to look good on a ranking chart. If you are 2k rank and can't play expert but can play standard then more power to you. But when I face against people who just FC everything in standard i can generally assume they can pass the maps in the expert pool which is what i was trying to get rid of. OR there needs to be more queues like 1 between beginner and standard and 1 between standard and expert.
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,225 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Ascendance
The main post has been updated with the new map pools! Enjoy!
Blackheart
26 posts
Joined May 2014
Blackheart

Braediac wrote:

My thoughts were more to try and get those who can play the expert difficulty maps and who can easily FC every standard map over and over again out of the standard difficulties so people aren't constantly facing against people who just want to look good on a ranking chart. If you are 2k rank and can't play expert but can play standard then more power to you. But when I face against people who just FC everything in standard i can generally assume they can pass the maps in the expert pool which is what i was trying to get rid of. OR there needs to be more queues like 1 between beginner and standard and 1 between standard and expert.
I said so once before: If someone can FC everything in one pool, then that doesn't mean he can survive the more difficult pools. I can FC almost everything in beginners, and I just die in standard. By playing beginner, I naturally rise to the top of the ladder, even though that's not the reason I play in beginner rather than standard.
Minhtam
550 posts
Joined September 2014
Minhtam
To whoever selected and approved the new Beginner mappool: I hate all of you.
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,225 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Ascendance
Also, be sure to welcome our newest additions to the team, ThePooN to programming team, and Taeyang to map selection :)
Luna-
811 posts
Joined June 2012
Luna-
I like the new Standard map pool a lot more than the previous one, gj
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz

Braediac wrote:

My thoughts were more to try and get those who can play the expert difficulty maps and who can easily FC every standard map over and over again out of the standard difficulties so people aren't constantly facing against people who just want to look good on a ranking chart. If you are 2k rank and can't play expert but can play standard then more power to you. But when I face against people who just FC everything in standard i can generally assume they can pass the maps in the expert pool which is what i was trying to get rid of. OR there needs to be more queues like 1 between beginner and standard and 1 between standard and expert.
Tournament performance is usually about consistency. Just because such players can pass the expert maps doesn't mean they necessarily have any semblance of consistency on them. I don't agree that players should be forced into the lowest bracket that they can no longer maintain consistency on.

If you only want a ranking system that measures "skill" compete in the pp ranking system as the tournament ranking system is clearly not for you. If you want to compete in a more skill-blind difficulty capped tournament setting with a ranking system that measures "consistency" then this is the place to be.
ImNotAnAsian
4 posts
Joined June 2014
ImNotAnAsian
Wll this be able for mania? And if it does, will be 4k and 7k separated?
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,225 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Ascendance

ImNotAnAsian wrote:

Wll this be able for mania? And if it does, will be 4k and 7k separated?
not in the near future, but when we do, yeah theyll be separate.
Mirt
55 posts
Joined January 2014
Mirt
Just had a game and it was kinda of fun... But I lost 5-0 because I was up against a rank 1500?? It would probably be really hard to create but if you were able to go up against people around your rank it would be so much better and much more enjoyable for both parties participating. It kind of reminds me of playing a game of DOTA, League or CSGO in ranked where they are far better than you. I fail to see the point of even trying in that case.
MostDakka
79 posts
Joined March 2013
MostDakka
I can fc everything in the beginner pool and i cant even pass most of the standard pool. Thats why i hope this will get more people in so there will be more demand of something between beginner and standard.
Seto Kousuke
osu! Alumni
610 posts
Joined June 2013
Seto Kousuke
Congratulations thepoon and taeyang! <3 <3
Nezzar
117 posts
Joined June 2009
Nezzar

weird bug, but I got the host of the room, lolz
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,225 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Ascendance
We've added three more map selectors as well to ensure the upcoming quality of the maps.

Please welcome Giralda, Yuii-, and Regraz! :D
Skyrovania
19 posts
Joined July 2014
Skyrovania
This looks really interesting. Gonna start playing these for a while and see how it goes :)
NyarkoO
282 posts
Joined June 2015
NyarkoO
Really well made!

Can't wait for the future improvements!
Acuiasa
32 posts
Joined March 2015
Acuiasa
So much fun!
Radox1988
9 posts
Joined January 2016
Radox1988
Wow this ladder system looks cool!
Problem is just that as a true beginner there is no way I can play 4* Maps :(
chickeneric
6 posts
Joined November 2012
chickeneric
3 senya maps and 2 nekomata master+ maps in standard pool!? Is this heaven?
Yauxo
1,622 posts
Joined June 2011
Yauxo

Minhtam wrote:

To whoever selected and approved the new Beginner mappool: I hate all of you.

You are very welcome. Bring some roses next time too, then we'll have a nice valentines dinner!
Minhtam
550 posts
Joined September 2014
Minhtam

Yauxo wrote:

Minhtam wrote:

To whoever selected and approved the new Beginner mappool: I hate all of you.
You are very welcome. Bring some roses next time too, then we'll have a nice valentines dinner!
With chocolate?
Yauxo
1,622 posts
Joined June 2011
Yauxo

Minhtam wrote:

Yauxo wrote:

You are very welcome. Bring some roses next time too, then we'll have a nice valentines dinner!
With chocolate?
Lovely!
Pink Lolita
Pink Lolita
my name contains a filtered word but I can't change it, and the bot wont let me reregister with a different name, what do I do??
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,225 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Ascendance

Pink Lolita wrote:

my name contains a filtered word but I can't change it, and the bot wont let me reregister with a different name, what do I do??
Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about it unless peppy changes the word filter on your name, or you change your name ;;
midori_wah
426 posts
Joined April 2015
midori_wah
When does registration end? :D
Minhtam
550 posts
Joined September 2014
Minhtam

dark_assassin16 wrote:

When does registration end? :D
You can register at any time.
midori_wah
426 posts
Joined April 2015
midori_wah

Minhtam wrote:

dark_assassin16 wrote:

When does registration end? :D
You can register at any time.
Until you close?
CM2
72 posts
Joined September 2015
CM2

dark_assassin16 wrote:

Until you close?
It's continuous.
midori_wah
426 posts
Joined April 2015
midori_wah

CM2 wrote:

dark_assassin16 wrote:

Until you close?
It's continuous.
Oh.
Spayyce
693 posts
Joined December 2013
Spayyce
I'm expected to be against 5k+ in the standard queue? ok
ByteReaper
9 posts
Joined January 2013
ByteReaper

[ Space ] wrote:

I'm expected to be against 5k+ in the standard queue? ok
yes you are .... consider yourself lucky , you could get ranked against #500
allein
Beatmap Nominator
821 posts
Joined March 2015
allein
wow
Minhtam
550 posts
Joined September 2014
Minhtam
Wait, after February 25th, we go back to Phase 1?
ByteReaper
9 posts
Joined January 2013
ByteReaper
iam not exactly sure where to put this, where can i sent in bug reports?

well until someone tells me where to put this ill leave it here:

here is the log of the game where the bot bugged


and after the third match the bot said this:


well you can obviously see that i dont lost (i had a SS lol)
tfg50
149 posts
Joined September 2013
tfg50
I don't have a twitter but a suggestion for expert is making the diff stable. This mappool in particular I can almost fc 2 of the hidden picks, some nomod/free mod picks and some hr pick, none of those mod pools are too troublesome atm, you just need consistency, aim and good reading and that's good imo. It might be lacking a couple of faster freemod/nomod picks but that's another topic. The problem is that I can't even pass one dt maps properly, the only dt map that I was able to pass out of all 3 pools was the easiest one in this pool and I got a C on it because I had to spam even though I despise spammers. The biggest problem for me was 1 ban for 3 dt picks but this was solved but even so the difference of difficulty between the different mod pools and even the map pools themselves is too big. This one in particular is ok for me but I can't pass tons of maps on the other pools. I'm not saying make it easier, just consistent and don't go too crazy.

TLDR make the difficulty between the weekly pools and different mod pools consistent. ESPECIALLY DT.
ThePooN
osu!dev
370 posts
Joined February 2011
ThePooN

ByteReaper wrote:

iam not exactly sure where to put this, where can i sent in bug reports?

well until someone tells me where to put this ill leave it here:

here is the log of the game where the bot bugged


and after the third match the bot said this:


well you can obviously see that i dont lost (i had a SS lol)
That is a weird bug that needs to be fixed ASAP. Could you please link me the mplog? If you have any more details, please join us on Discord in the #bugreports channel.
Mouse Shinobi
11 posts
Joined January 2014
Mouse Shinobi
Where is God tier maps Kappa
ThePooN
osu!dev
370 posts
Joined February 2011
ThePooN

WorstMousePlay wrote:

Where is God tier maps Kappa
Unfortunately we actually lack of players in Expert league. Increasing the difficulty can only make it worse.
Synchrostar
866 posts
Joined July 2010
Synchrostar
i would play expert
but i'm too slow :^)
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