Camellia - crystallized · forum

Spaghetti

1,118 posts

Joined August 2014

Spaghetti 2016-01-01T04:29:45+00:00

jesus

-Visceral-

644 posts

Joined August 2012

Topic Starter

-Visceral- 2016-01-01T04:30:24+00:00

Spaghetti wrote:
jesus

Qué

fieryrage

osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II

1,402 posts

Joined November 2013

fieryrage 2016-01-01T05:19:12+00:00

star
ill mod the full set once done

snz

877 posts

Joined February 2015

snz 2016-01-01T05:24:25+00:00

Take My Star

Akiyama Mizuki

2,710 posts

Joined March 2009

Akiyama Mizuki 2016-01-01T05:31:34+00:00

asdf

Last edited by Akiyama Mizuki 2016-01-28T13:04:34+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

-Visceral-

644 posts

Joined August 2012

Topic Starter

-Visceral- 2016-01-01T05:34:00+00:00

bbj0920 wrote:
FEEL FREE TO CALL ME FOR GD NO ACTUALLY PLEASE CALL ME

Do you wanna like do a hard or something lol everything is pretty much taken qq

Yuii-

2,503 posts

Joined July 2013

Yuii- 2016-01-01T05:36:15+00:00

Masa molar of Ca2Al3(SiO4)3(OH) is 454,3573 g/mol

Google me encuentra los resultados en mitad español, mitad inglés, esto es una porquería.

Akiyama Mizuki

2,710 posts

Joined March 2009

Akiyama Mizuki 2016-01-01T05:48:23+00:00

asdf

Last edited by Akiyama Mizuki 2016-01-28T13:04:44+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Darson

187 posts

Joined June 2014

Darson 2016-01-01T09:29:44+00:00

I posted this on reddit and I'll post it here too:

Reclaimer wrote:
You're a fucking great mapper dude, especially when it comes to camellia, you can just pull any of his songs out of your ass and map it well. Your sense of flow is incredible and I'm very glad you map these songs as camellia is one of my favorite artists out there. Keeping mapping and improving man you've done nothing but good so far in the mapping world.

Honestly man keep it up, you're doing incredible work.

ProfessionalBox

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

771 posts

Joined September 2013

ProfessionalBox 2016-01-01T11:07:14+00:00

the fuk

-kevincela-

Elite Mapper

2,790 posts

Joined February 2010

-kevincela- 2016-01-01T11:19:02+00:00

hey

Kuuma

133 posts

Joined November 2014

Kuuma 2016-01-01T11:25:05+00:00

Take a star.

Anxient

1,568 posts

Joined June 2014

Anxient 2016-01-01T11:50:39+00:00

godlike map

can i GD hard diff? star fo you!

-Visceral-

644 posts

Joined August 2012

Topic Starter

-Visceral- 2016-01-01T17:09:37+00:00

Anxient wrote:
godlike map

can i GD hard diff? star fo you!

Ty for the star : ) gds are all taken up though sorry

Len

2,812 posts

Joined June 2012

Len 2016-01-01T19:14:52+00:00

WHAT

lichie

3 posts

Joined June 2015

lichie 2016-01-02T00:01:33+00:00

man that was a fun map...

thats all i have to say. can't wait for it to be ranked.

Sing

354 posts

Joined December 2013

Sing 2016-01-03T07:59:16+00:00

pls rank meth bg

Luel Roseline

1,034 posts

Joined February 2014

Luel Roseline 2016-01-04T07:02:24+00:00

That drumstep, I like it.

-kevincela-

Elite Mapper

2,790 posts

Joined February 2010

-kevincela- 2016-01-06T14:07:02+00:00

added hitsounds and fixed unsnapped stuff

osu file format v14

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-Stoney

25 posts

Joined June 2013

-Stoney 2016-01-09T17:56:55+00:00

insanely good map pls rank

Turret

24 posts

Joined April 2015

Turret 2016-01-19T19:23:14+00:00

great map for a even greater song! Could you please insert the japanese Camellia name?

-Visceral-

644 posts

Joined August 2012

Topic Starter

-Visceral- 2016-01-19T19:24:05+00:00

Turret wrote:
great map for a even greater song! Could you please insert the japanese Camellia name?

O ok will do. Thought it was there already

Azer

World Cup Organiser

1,107 posts

Joined December 2012

Azer 2016-01-20T08:46:31+00:00

Finally donezo sorry it took so long
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/egw ... D.rar?dl=0

Oh I mapped this on the old mp3 so I'm not sure if you have to change offset accordingly but just keep that in mind

-Visceral-

644 posts

Joined August 2012

Topic Starter

-Visceral- 2016-01-20T12:48:30+00:00

Azer wrote:
Finally donezo sorry it took so long
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/egw ... D.rar?dl=0

Oh I mapped this on the old mp3 so I'm not sure if you have to change offset accordingly but just keep that in mind

Ayyy ok Ill update when im home and map the easy and possibly the normal too today

Shiirn

2,896 posts

Joined August 2010

Shiirn 2016-01-21T18:51:19+00:00

I've thought this about all your maps but

Your sliders would be way, way better if you had them actually bend with the music. And the rest of your sliders borrow concepts heavily from other wub maps but generally do them kind of... wrong.

I understand you mapped this entirely in one sitting, but I saw you map it. And it hasn't changed all that much at all, even though there are clear bits that make no sense at all.

01:15:213 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - you know this is a 4-set section and not a swapping beat pattern, right? But you've mapped sets of 3 which means that the strong beats are all over the place and the patterning is extremely uncomfortable. You can just as easily have 3 sets of 4 as 4 sets of 3 and it's far more comfortable to play. You can even swap 01:14:696 (5,6) - around so that the first set can actually start at the beginning of the pattern. This goes for the four sets of three pattern you have after this as well. It's not that it's "too hard" to play, it's just awkward.

While we're at it, let's talk consistency.

You love to use 1/4 sliders as replacements for 1/2 circles. I can clearly see that, and I think it's neat. With that out of the way, when you use them seemingly at random to replace 1/2 circles it just comes off as feeling gimmicky rather than cool. For example,

01:26:248 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - This is a single stanza of four beats. you use a 1/4 slider at 1, 6, and 9. For 1, it's probably just to emphasize the first hit and allow the player to end the spaced mini-stream well. It doesn't have any musical impact. This is fine, I guess, although I don't like it.. For 6, the little clicking noise. For 9, the same clicking noise.

but for...

01:28:834 (10) - There is no clicking noise, although it is consistently with the previous (9).
01:30:213 (8) - This is consistent with the rest of the stanzas ending on a 1/4 slider, but... no real significance here.
01:32:455 (5,6,7) - There is a click here but you use a triplet instead of a 1/4 slider and a circle. Inconsistent, but playable, I guess.
01:33:489 (3) - Another click without a 1/4 slider.
01:34:179 (9) - There is no reason whatsoever to have a 1/4 slider here. you were perfectly fine with having a circle for the bass before, and there is no click here, or, actually, anything musically or instrumentally significant at all at the start or end of this slider that warrants it being a slider instead of a circle.
01:35:903 (1) - This is a tough one because it feels like it's trying to emphasize the cry by having a short hold but there's a circle right after it anyway that dumps the emphasis of the vocal cry.
01:37:972 (6,7) - Previously you had a 1/4 slider in this particular set of instruments. But now it's a straight 5-note run.
01:38:489 (10) - This has the same click that's always been present but isn't represented at all.
01:38:748 - There is a click here.
01:39:007 (4) - There is also a click here.

Generally what I'm trying to say here is, you should really go over the map and iron out any of the weird inconsistencies that exist or, in some places, actually emphasize inconsistencies that exist in the music. Generally speaking, you should be using the same circle/slider beat pattern for identical pieces of music. According to tone/pitch/volume/whatever, you can emphasize that with the placement of notes.

01:59:265 (4,1) - is the squished spacing here intended? You're usually one to have your sliders a ridiculous distance from the last note of a 1/4 roll.
02:01:593 (2,3) - these are spaced just like your 1/4 slider streams but there's actually a pause between them. It's extremely hard to read, and never really plays right. Maybe move them much closer to eachother so the approach circles clearly say that there is a pause? not entirely sure what to suggest here.
02:11:205 - there is zero reason for this extended break. Why do you do this? Ever?
02:26:334 - Why do you extend breaks out like this? The HP doesn't drain until the first note anyway, and if you're going to do it why not move it to an actually musically significant point like 02:26:075 - ?
02:32:455 (1,1) - Obligatory Shiirn blanket comment.
02:41:075 (4,1) - swap new combo, it reads better.

The Whole Second Kiai - wow, uh... you've got emphasis all over the damn place. Generally speaking 1/4 sliders that start on blue ticks are basically like held doubles and while that works in a lot of wub maps, especially where they fit the music, they seem to be used almost AT RANDOM here. The ones that end on third and first beats like 02:55:127 (1) - are fine because they're musically relevant but 02:54:955 (5) - really fits two notes more than a slider. so does 02:56:420 (6) - . Generally, you seem to just throw 1/4 sliders around nearly at random and because of it the player is just forced to take one of two routes:
1) Read the sliders individually while throwing out the music
2) Mash 174 bpm 1/4 and hope for the best.

Both are bad.

Bear in mind: For most of the kiai here you do a GOOD JOB of representing the musical changes in the nonstop 1/4 hitsound stream. But there are times you don't and it REALLY throws people off. Try getting a lot of playtesters and seeing where they break or get 100 on the sliders during this kiai. I assure you: They'll generally start breaking around the same notes, and those are usually where the mistakes are. That, or go over it yourself. Whichever you're more comfortable with.

03:17:110 (4,5,6) - this triplet would be way cooler if you manually stacked them from top right to bottom left to follow the pattern of notes you do after them.
03:19:696 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Can you uh, even out this star? it's very close to a star except 2 and 7 are just kinda thrown wherever the hell.
My consistency concerns regarding the earlier section apply to this after-kiai section as well.

now, I may just be a party pooper, but why even map anything after 04:00:731 - ? It's a great place to end the map. It's the last vocal, it's not a stupid spinner, and the rest of it after it is just exceptionally boring and probably a hard rock killer if they get 100s for any reason.

I can come back and mod the other difficulties if you like. I just wanted to point some things out, because to me, you've always been close to being a very good mapper but the same issues plague you. None of this is meant to imply you are a bad mapper in any way: The fact that I am describing complex concepts already should let you know that I think you can comprehend them well.

Best of luck with ranking!

(This is the first actual mod near the end of two pages?)

fieryrage

osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II

1,402 posts

Joined November 2013

fieryrage 2016-01-21T19:29:01+00:00

Shiirn wrote:
(This is the first actual mod near the end of two pages?)

shitposts > mods
altho the extras are basically done now so i'm gonna be modding when i get back home

Azer

World Cup Organiser

1,107 posts

Joined December 2012

Azer 2016-01-21T19:35:20+00:00

There's not gonna be many mods when the set isn't complete yet

Shiirn

2,896 posts

Joined August 2010

Shiirn 2016-01-21T19:43:22+00:00

but nobody cares about any difficulties below like

insane or hard depending on the difficulty of the set

so i figure why not, right?

also assume the position, I'll probably mod Azer and kevincela's in the future~

fieryrage

osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II

1,402 posts

Joined November 2013

fieryrage 2016-01-22T01:00:36+00:00

g
im bad at modding songs like this but wha te ve r

tanzanite
01:54:524 (2) - nc
02:10:386 (4) - why does this diff have an extended break but none of the other ones do?
02:26:162 - same thing as above, also this one is unsnapped
03:04:869 (3) - you could probably nc this slider for the sv change but idk

kev
01:09:351 (1) - idk if this was intentional or not but the slider looks ugly cuz theres a gap in between and aaaa
04:11:420 - unused green line

thats all i got time for now excuse me while i eat a good ol fashioned american hamburger

Akiyama Mizuki

2,710 posts

Joined March 2009

Akiyama Mizuki 2016-01-24T13:56:12+00:00

hitsound not done yet

osu file format v14

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-Visceral-

644 posts

Joined August 2012

Topic Starter

-Visceral- 2016-01-26T00:29:49+00:00

Shiirn wrote:
I've thought this about all your maps but

Your sliders would be way, way better if you had them actually bend with the music. And the rest of your sliders borrow concepts heavily from other wub maps but generally do them kind of... wrong. There isn't really a definite rhythm aside from the piano stuff, so there isn't anything to bend it to.

I understand you mapped this entirely in one sitting, but I saw you map it. And it hasn't changed all that much at all, even though there are clear bits that make no sense at all.

01:15:213 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - you know this is a 4-set section and not a swapping beat pattern, right? But you've mapped sets of 3 which means that the strong beats are all over the place and the patterning is extremely uncomfortable. You can just as easily have 3 sets of 4 as 4 sets of 3 and it's far more comfortable to play. You can even swap 01:14:696 (5,6) - around so that the first set can actually start at the beginning of the pattern. This goes for the four sets of three pattern you have after this as well. It's not that it's "too hard" to play, it's just awkward. 01:15:213 (1,1,1,1,1,1) all land on the same pitch in the lead, which is what I'm mapping to, which is in groups of 3.

While we're at it, let's talk consistency.

You love to use 1/4 sliders as replacements for 1/2 circles. I can clearly see that, and I think it's neat. With that out of the way, when you use them seemingly at random to replace 1/2 circles it just comes off as feeling gimmicky rather than cool. For example,

01:26:248 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - This is a single stanza of four beats. you use a 1/4 slider at 1, 6, and 9. For 1, it's probably just to emphasize the first hit and allow the player to end the spaced mini-stream well. It doesn't have any musical impact. This is fine, I guess, although I don't like it.. For 6, the little clicking noise. For 9, the same clicking noise.

but for...

01:28:834 (10) - There is no clicking noise, although it is consistently with the previous (9). its consistent and it helps for emphasis on the kick
01:30:213 (8) - This is consistent with the rest of the stanzas ending on a 1/4 slider, but... no real significance here. its consistent yeah
01:32:455 (5,6,7) - There is a click here but you use a triplet instead of a 1/4 slider and a circle. Inconsistent, but playable, I guess. itd get too repetitive. i need to have SOME variation.
01:33:489 (3) - Another click without a 1/4 slider. fixed
01:34:179 (9) - There is no reason whatsoever to have a 1/4 slider here. you were perfectly fine with having a circle for the bass before, and there is no click here, or, actually, anything musically or instrumentally significant at all at the start or end of this slider that warrants it being a slider instead of a circle. fixed
01:35:903 (1) - This is a tough one because it feels like it's trying to emphasize the cry by having a short hold but there's a circle right after it anyway that dumps the emphasis of the vocal cry. ill think about this one. it plays well but yeah what you mentioned is true
01:37:972 (6,7) - Previously you had a 1/4 slider in this particular set of instruments. But now it's a straight 5-note run. fixed
01:38:489 (10) - This has the same click that's always been present but isn't represented at all. fixed
01:38:748 - There is a click here. no there isnt its on the downbeat but theres a small buildup to it
01:39:007 (4) - There is also a click here. thats why its mapped

Generally what I'm trying to say here is, you should really go over the map and iron out any of the weird inconsistencies that exist or, in some places, actually emphasize inconsistencies that exist in the music. Generally speaking, you should be using the same circle/slider beat pattern for identical pieces of music. According to tone/pitch/volume/whatever, you can emphasize that with the placement of notes.

01:59:265 (4,1) - is the squished spacing here intended? You're usually one to have your sliders a ridiculous distance from the last note of a 1/4 roll. oops its cause of sv change and ds
02:01:593 (2,3) - these are spaced just like your 1/4 slider streams but there's actually a pause between them. It's extremely hard to read, and never really plays right. Maybe move them much closer to eachother so the approach circles clearly say that there is a pause? not entirely sure what to suggest here. ive never seen anybody misread this. they arent that hard to read.
02:11:205 - there is zero reason for this extended break. Why do you do this? Ever? ok fixed geez...
02:26:334 - Why do you extend breaks out like this? The HP doesn't drain until the first note anyway, and if you're going to do it why not move it to an actually musically significant point like 02:26:075 - ?
02:32:455 (1,1) - Obligatory Shiirn blanket comment.
02:41:075 (4,1) - swap new combo, it reads better. ok the rest fixed

The Whole Second Kiai - wow, uh... you've got emphasis all over the damn place. Generally speaking 1/4 sliders that start on blue ticks are basically like held doubles and while that works in a lot of wub maps, especially where they fit the music, they seem to be used almost AT RANDOM here. The ones that end on third and first beats like 02:55:127 (1) - are fine because they're musically relevant but 02:54:955 (5) - really fits two notes more than a slider. so does 02:56:420 (6) - . Generally, you seem to just throw 1/4 sliders around nearly at random and because of it the player is just forced to take one of two routes:
1) Read the sliders individually while throwing out the music
2) Mash 174 bpm 1/4 and hope for the best.

Both are bad.

Bear in mind: For most of the kiai here you do a GOOD JOB of representing the musical changes in the nonstop 1/4 hitsound stream. But there are times you don't and it REALLY throws people off. Try getting a lot of playtesters and seeing where they break or get 100 on the sliders during this kiai. I assure you: They'll generally start breaking around the same notes, and those are usually where the mistakes are. That, or go over it yourself. Whichever you're more comfortable with. ive had multiple testplays. the most ive seen someone miss here is twice and the rest fc'd this part. the rhythm fits the song perfectly. the music has constant action in this part and the sliders are to keep the players cursor moving. having it stationary in the climax of a song plays very uncomfortable.

03:17:110 (4,5,6) - this triplet would be way cooler if you manually stacked them from top right to bottom left to follow the pattern of notes you do after them. not sure what you mean here sorry
03:19:696 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Can you uh, even out this star? it's very close to a star except 2 and 7 are just kinda thrown wherever the hell.
My consistency concerns regarding the earlier section apply to this after-kiai section as well. fixed

now, I may just be a party pooper, but why even map anything after 04:00:731 - ? It's a great place to end the map. It's the last vocal, it's not a stupid spinner, and the rest of it after it is just exceptionally boring and probably a hard rock killer if they get 100s for any reason. i think it has more impact if it went to the end.

I can come back and mod the other difficulties if you like. I just wanted to point some things out, because to me, you've always been close to being a very good mapper but the same issues plague you. None of this is meant to imply you are a bad mapper in any way: The fact that I am describing complex concepts already should let you know that I think you can comprehend them well.

Best of luck with ranking!

(This is the first actual mod near the end of two pages?)

-Visceral-

644 posts

Joined August 2012

Topic Starter

-Visceral- 2016-01-26T04:11:39+00:00

fieryrage wrote:
g
im bad at modding songs like this but wha te ve r

tanzanite
01:54:524 (2) - nc
02:10:386 (4) - why does this diff have an extended break but none of the other ones do?
02:26:162 - same thing as above, also this one is unsnapped
03:04:869 (3) - you could probably nc this slider for the sv change but idk

thats all i got time for now excuse me while i eat a good ol fashioned american hamburger

All changed ty

Nekomata

807 posts

Joined December 2013

Nekomata 2016-01-28T06:11:48+00:00

M4M

[General]
Your background image file is quite large, it's actually a PNG file (judging by the file header).
Here's a real jpeg version, which may also help your mapset fit that guideline of being under 10 MB: http://puu.sh/mMrod.jpg

Seems the set is incomplete but I'll mod what I can tonight.

[Hard]
00:35:558 (2,3) - this flow isn't great in my opinion, seems like forced blanketing. you can improve it and also emphasize the downbeat: http://puu.sh/mMs2D.png
00:42:627 (3) - what's the reason of suddenly increasing the reading difficulty for this part? there was a fast drum part prior to this that may have signaled a change but it's not significant enough to me. the music stays the same afterwards.. you had a nice simple rhythm before (00:37:110 (2) - ).
00:46:593 (2,3) - this suddenly breaks consistency with your earlier rhythms with the double repeat (00:45:213 (2,3,4) - ). that's probably more preferable if you choose to stick with that rhythm.
00:53:144 (1,1) - the looks of this kinda bother me, try placing it so that the sliderstarts don't touch at least.
02:35:903 (5) - i don't think it would be bad to repeat this, you're currently missing a beat that you were probably following
02:54:869 - up to around 03:05:989 - this part is definitely not 3.35 SR in terms of rhythm with how hard you have to read it. you would probably do better to simplify here and at least get rid of the doubles. i don't know what you are mainly following really but whatever it is, it feels like it should be for an insane difficulty.
03:52:455 - up to 04:00:041 - the drop in SV to x0.6 and lower doesn't fit well with the music at this point tbh. it also makes the spacing/positioning look weird. i recommend staying with x0.7 until the "break".

not many will like to remap parts but please consider it because the SR is very deceiving in this difficulty.

[Insane]
03:49:007 (3,4) - actually not much of a problem but i honestly thought you were just mapping the stronger drums in this part so this kinda stuck out a little as odd.
02:00:558 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - for some reason the flow into this doesn't feel very good during gameplay ._. (may or may not be related to below)
02:00:041 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - one thing i also noticed even though you have pretty much the same rhythm as before, the drums are actually pretty strong here so you might want to consider emphasizing those by slightly modifying your rhythm for 02:00:903 - 02:01:075 - this may also lead better into the point below
02:01:075 (1,1) - you can probably make a nasty slider with that sound so it feels cooler to play - example rhythm

enjoyed this diff, nice stuff

i'll check out the others later

Akiyama Mizuki

2,710 posts

Joined March 2009

Akiyama Mizuki 2016-01-28T13:12:17+00:00

I'm sorry but please delete my diff, it sucks and it won't be helpful for this map getting ranked
I knew this was rhythmically fucked up but I just finished it and I'm absolutely unhappy with this. I'm discouraged to concentrating on making the shitmap better. shit is shit and you can always find better mapper than me.
tbh I should stop claiming gd just because of music

-Visceral-

644 posts

Joined August 2012

Topic Starter

-Visceral- 2016-01-28T14:33:33+00:00

bbj0920 wrote:
I'm sorry but please delete my diff, it sucks and it won't be helpful for this map getting ranked
I knew this was rhythmically fucked up but I just finished it and I'm absolutely unhappy with this. I'm discouraged to concentrating on making the shitmap better. shit is shit and you can always find better mapper than me.
tbh I should stop claiming gd just because of music

Oh uh... ok then ;~;

Nekomata

807 posts

Joined December 2013

Nekomata 2016-01-28T14:54:10+00:00

well, the hard difficulty for the most part is ok (it may call for an Advanced or easier Hard). the last kiai needs a lot of attention though

3312

82 posts

Joined September 2014

3312 2016-01-28T18:16:22+00:00

ok time to fukcn fill my promis xd

[Normal]
there's nothing to mo- oh wait its still wip xddd

[wa's]
AIMod
should be ar 8.5 or 9

[Azer's]
01:48:317 (1,1) - isn't this slider and stream distance abit "extreme"??
01:55:903 (5) - the "o" chaped curve looks weird lel
03:05:213 (3,1) - distance
03:16:248 (2) - NC?
03:25:213 (2) - should ctrl + G this for better flow

[Kevincela's]
AIMod
03:10:731 (1) - imo needs more curve
04:03:144 (2) - NC?

[Ca2Al3(SiO4)3(OH)]
01:43:144 (2) - NC?

fk
map is too good for me to mod
smoothie pls rank it soon \ o/

wa_

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Joined May 2012

wa_ 2016-01-28T22:19:40+00:00

Nekomata wrote:
[Insane]
03:49:007 (3,4) - actually not much of a problem but i honestly thought you were just mapping the stronger drums in this part so this kinda stuck out a little as odd. / Good point, but I'd rather to keep equal spacing and consistency, I wanted to follow slow silencing of this song, so I don't think something more complex is needed here.
02:00:558 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - for some reason the flow into this doesn't feel very good during gameplay ._. (may or may not be related to below) / Oh yes, I wasn't sure about flow in this section, now it should be better
02:00:041 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - one thing i also noticed even though you have pretty much the same rhythm as before, the drums are actually pretty strong here so you might want to consider emphasizing those by slightly modifying your rhythm for 02:00:903 - 02:01:075 - this may also lead better into the point below / Dunno, I like this stream :^)
02:01:075 (1,1) - you can probably make a nasty slider with that sound so it feels cooler to play - example rhythm / I prefer simple rhythm here

3312 wrote:
[wa's]
AIMod / Fixed all
should be ar 8.5 or 9 / I don't really know about AR on this difficulty; 8.3 is totally fine for me since every note was mapped to be readable with 8.3 (stacks, overlaps), but I know nowadays people might have some problems with reading... Changed to 8.5 for now.

Thanks for mods