I know some people play with touchscreen,I'm one of them,and it's a lot more different than normal osu.

If you guys know any maps which are playable with touchscreen and are fun to play.

These are some maps I have that are pretty well off done with touchscreen for hard/insane mode players.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/714001&m=0 Reol - No Title (Lemur) Use HD for extra 50-100PP.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/13244 m-flo loves CHEMISTRY - Astrosexy RIP Hands

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/332532 Panda Eyes & Terminite - Highscore Memorisation is key.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/164020 Saiya - Remote Control

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/155404 SMiLE.dk - Golden Sky HDDT has good PP,GL with triple taps.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/795232 fhana - Wonder Stella (Extra) Good luck with triple taps.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/380646?m=0 Drop - Granat Read and be fast,Quad(4) taps

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/457257 Maffalda - pensamento tipico de esquerda caviar(GANGSTA) One stream.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/378126&m=0 Akiyama Uni - Odoru Mizushibuki(Extra and Death Dance) GG

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/541673 Uchida Aya & Kubo Yurika - Kokuhaku Biyori, desu! Few streams.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/785394 fhana - Wonder Stell (Law Alias or wtf mode u want) Prepare for hand floppin

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/211154 MomoKuro-tei Ichimon - Nippon Egao Hyakkei (TV Size)(Egao) Stream practice

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/98496 Furries in a Blender - Ridorii Long stream and triple taps <3

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/39549 Amane - BOOZEHOUND Stream training and many more

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/614323&m=0 JO*STARS ~TOMMY, Coda, JIN~ - JoJo Sono Chi no Kioku~end of THE WORLD~(Star Platinum) One stream to slow you down,dassit,you can do it,right? :3 lets see the leaderboards for any touchscreen users.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/660357 Pretty easy except one stream.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/843155 Kano - Stella-rium TOO MUCH MOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/737100 Doma Umaru [CV.Tanaka Aimi] - Kakushinteki*Metamaruphose! (Skystar's laziness) Blizzardice did it.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/787430 ARCIEN - Future Son(Nasya's OK DAD) HDDT WHY DAD WHYYYYYYYYYYYY

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/797329 Alastair Gavin - Together Again (Commercial Cuts 2)(Awaken's Insane [HDDT]) [color=#80408]Commercials~~~~...aaaaaaaaaaaaa[/color]

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/647443 SON OF KICK - Hours ft. Lady Leshurr & Paigey Cakey (Gangsta Collab) Catbag did it (Go to page 4 or 5 of this post to see him.)

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/547598 TheLaxOne - Skrillex Circulation(Rekt!) Fast and good for warmups and a good laugh.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/37943 Yuki Kajiura - Sis puella magica! (Hard) HDDT is good training for moving your hands around fast.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/18009 Pizuya's Cell x MyonMyon - Romantic Children I wish you good luck. IT IS HELL FOR DAYZ

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/123839 Akiyama Uni - The Grimoire of Alice The very BIG BIG notes

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/57255 Renard - Rainbow Dash Likes Girls (Stay Gay Pony Girl) Either you master triples and other streams,or you HT this and be badass.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/21130 capsule - JUMPER Not too bad,just go and HDDT this

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/7354 Big Bang - Haru Haru Fun and confusing with hidden,DO IT!

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/72585 Kitsune^2 - Rainbow Tylenol *Cough* i-if.. anyone f-f-f-fc-c-c-c's this... i will call them a go....d.





Help contribute to this thread and help touchscreen users <3,I will try to update this thread as much as possible for convenience. [/color]

Please don't be salty and be like 'oh i h8 touchscreen cuz aim hax and ez pp' and shit,cause that's just what most hate. People who have played touchscreen,feel free to act salty and stuff,I can't stop you 'cause you have already experienced and tried it yourself,and you're giving your own opinions, but if you haven't,I suggest you either try it out yourself first before giving all the complaints,or just keep quiet,because it feels like you're giving groundless opinions on it and hating it because of what it is.

If pp is the reason why you started using touch screen why not just go full retard and use hacks and macros?

and it's a lot more different than normal osu.

indeed, it has nothing to do with osu!

Infevo wrote:

If pp is the reason why you started using touch screen why not just go full retard and use hacks and macros?

and it's a lot more different than normal osu.

indeed, it has nothing to do with osu!

why are you so anti-touchscreen? So dumb to compare using touchscreen with using hacks.

on topic: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/378126&m=0 looks good to play with touchscreen

Hollow Wing's Helix and Odoru looks fun on touchscreen. Same with pensamento, though that little stream on Gangsta might get you.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/380646?m=0 This one works

I sort of wish touchscreens had a different ranking since aim works so differently compared to normal playstyles. As one could see with the tag4 maps touchscreen has the ability to break the pp system pretty hard

nabel wrote:

Infevo wrote:

If pp is the reason why you started using touch screen why not just go full retard and use hacks and macros?

[...]

indeed, it has nothing to do with osu!

why are you so anti-touchscreen? So dumb to compare using touchscreen with using hacks.

The only thing touchscreens do is breaking the pp system so peppy has more work to do. It really has nothing to do with osu.

Saphirshroom wrote:

The only thing touchscreens do is breaking the pp system so peppy has more work to do. It really has nothing to do with osu.

Who cares? And ofc it has something to do with osu! it's just another method to play.

uberpancake wrote:

I sort of wish touchscreens had a different ranking since aim works so differently

And tablet-mouse is alright to be put in the same scoreboard? They already went full retard, might as well go all the way down.

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

uberpancake wrote:

I sort of wish touchscreens had a different ranking since aim works so differently

And tablet-mouse is alright to be put in the same scoreboard? They already went full retard, might as well go all the way down.

Agreed but you cant really tell who's actually tablet and who's actually mouse since people tend to troll and and pretend like this guy

nabel wrote:

So dumb to compare using touchscreen with using hacks.

So it is dumb? Let's compare then.

Aim hacks bypass your aim component by automatically adjusting your cursor to the circles you intitially would've failed to hit.
What does a touch screen do for you? It removes the aim component and a whole level of your skill set; you don't need to learn controlling a device anymore (mice, pens, trackballs). You just 'touch' what you see. Not all too challenging considering every 3-year old can do that.
But that's not all, is it? Touchscreens further eliminate the left/right hand coordination aspect; one of the most important skills in the game. What you touch, is what you aim _AND_ also when/what you hit. Of course, trashy touch screen players won't admit how often combo breaks and worse acc are caused from desync (hands). How do we call this hack? Oh, yeah. Let's call it 'relax hack'. Cause that's what it is.

People around 20k rank get 400pp touch screen plays. If this is not cheating then tell me what is?

Are we all forgetting that osu! is based on a touchscreen-only rhythm game?

YayMii wrote:

Are we all forgetting that osu! is based on a touchscreen-only rhythm game?

That's completely irrelevant though. It could also be based on Tomodachi Live and it would still be designed to be played with Mouse+Keyboard.

Infevo wrote:

nabel wrote:

So dumb to compare using touchscreen with using hacks.

So it is dumb? Let's compare then.

Aim hacks bypass your aim component by automatically adjusting your cursor to the circles you intitially would've failed to hit.
What does a touch screen do for you? It removes the aim component and a whole level of your skill set; you don't need to learn controlling a device anymore (mice, pens, trackballs). You just 'touch' what you see. Not all too challenging considering every 3-year old can do that.
But that's not all, is it? Touchscreens further eliminate the left/right hand coordination aspect; one of the most important skills in the game. What you touch, is what you aim _AND_ also when/what you hit. Of course, trashy touch screen players won't admit how often combo breaks and worse acc are caused from desync (hands). How do we call this hack? Oh, yeah. Let's call it 'relax hack'. Cause that's what it is.

People around 20k rank get 400pp touch screen plays. If this is not cheating then tell me what is?

... And how does it affect you that someone prefers to play with touchscreen and gets scores that are harder to achieve with mouse/tablet?
And as YayMii said osu! is based on a touchscreen game so how can you call people who use touchscreen to play osu! cheaters? It's not like everything gets easier with touchscreen....

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

uberpancake wrote:

I sort of wish touchscreens had a different ranking since aim works so differently

And tablet-mouse is alright to be put in the same scoreboard? They already went full retard, might as well go all the way down.

Well with both mouse and tablet you only have one "cursor" to aim with. With touchscreen you have like 3 extra fingers you can pre-aim with, making aiming work completely differently. Aiming with one finger/stylus (like you do in the original game) is balanced on touchscreen imo.

I'd happily sign up for all kinds of playstyle-specific rankings but touchscreen is the most broken and also the easiest to spot

It really doesn't get easier, if anything. God help touchscreen players when you have to stream.

Not to mention you're gonna be moving your hands MORE when you touchscreen; moreso than tablet and mouse. And your arm is significantly heavier than any mouse or tablet. Good luck swinging that around.

Also any window smaller than 13" and it's completely unplayable. Unless one is a freaky paranoid who plays osu!droid.

Why I speak of this? I went touchscreen for a month with a friend's Surface.

nabel wrote:

... And how does it affect you that someone prefers to play with touchscreen and gets scores that are harder to achieve with mouse/tablet?
And as YayMii said osu! is based on a touchscreen game so how can you call people who use touchscreen to play osu! cheaters? It's not like everything gets easier with touchscreen....

Because people like op are obvious pp-farmers and they don't care about the game. And others who actually put work into the game for each single PP while actually being able to enjoy the game have to deal with these kids being in the same ranking ladder.




Do you even understand how stupid this looks for someone who actually plays this game?

Before you try to bash any kind of STD playing device, you literally have to ask yourself why tablet-mouse combined in 1 scoreboard is valid.

Then you'll realize that touchscreen plays are perfectly allowed and welcome.

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

Before you try to bash any kind of STD playing device, you literally have to ask yourself why tablet-mouse combined in 1 scoreboard is valid.

Then you'll realize that touchscreen plays are perfectly allowed and welcome.

Tablet and mouse playstyle follow the same principle. The only thing one might argue about is the superiority of absolute vs. relative aim in osu!standard. But we know that both play styles are viable, yet not broken, for anything you might encounter.

When it comes to touch screen we know it is utterly broken for aim maps since it cuts out the aim skill component which normally would be requred of a player. Even when playing with kb you have a huge advantage on mouse/tablet players since the aiming with finger is naturally much more stable. Especially when seeing cursor+device at once (e.g. your finger, or touch pen).

I just recommend you guys to leave osu! and check out Cytus. Granted, you lazy asses can cope with the fact there is no "free pp" for kids who try to achieve long term goals with pathetic short cuts aynmore.

Stop caring so much, lmao

+1 post count

There is no such thing as too much salt

Infevo wrote:

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

Before you try to bash any kind of STD playing device, you literally have to ask yourself why tablet-mouse combined in 1 scoreboard is valid.

Then you'll realize that touchscreen plays are perfectly allowed and welcome.

Tablet and mouse playstyle follow the same principle. The only thing one might argue about is the superiority of absolute vs. relative aim in osu!standard. But we know that both play styles are viable, yet not broken, for anything you might encounter.

When it comes to touch screen we know it is utterly broken for aim maps since it cuts out the aim skill component which normally would be requred of a player. Even when playing with kb you have a huge advantage on mouse/tablet players since the aiming with finger is naturally much more stable. Especially when seeing cursor+device at once (e.g. your finger, or touch pen).

I just recommend you guys to leave osu! and check out Cytus. Granted, you lazy asses can cope with the fact there is no "free pp" for kids who try to achieve long term goals with pathetic short cuts aynmore.

Did a touchscreen player piss in your cereal or something?

Just raising awareness of socially accepted cheating.

Pituophis wrote:

Stop caring so much, lmao

+1 post count

You know he's right though.

Also, I didn't even know [color=transparent] works. Today I learned.

Mahogany wrote:

Did a touchscreen player piss in your cereal or something?

Nah, I'm just trying to be a dick. =]

I respect your honesty :^)

PEOPLE STAPH FIGHTING I DIDN"T WANT DIS lol just stop, Touchscreen is just a playstyle adapted to people who may have given up on other ways such as Mouse+keyboard or tablet etc. I play touchscreen because I can't get further in osu with an imperfect left hand. People may have reasons,so I don't see whats the problem with touchscreen,people say 20k with touchscreen plays,but if you watch their replay count, it is A LOT more than others.

hey, rank/pp/playcount/etc <- just a number

mouse/tablet/touchscreen/etc <- just a playstyle


comparing them is stupid.

anyway, nice thread for touchscreen users

Ima start playing baseball with a tennis racket instead of a bat and a huge brailer net instead of a glove and call it "just another playstyle".
Or I'll play golf leaving my club and taking the ball in my hand and throwing it towards the next hole which I make sure to dig several meters bigger than usual or even better? I pick the ball up and carry it to the hole by myself and call it a hole-in-one. It's my "playstyle" after all; so don't argue!

JarrenTanJR wrote:

I play touchscreen because I can't get further in osu with an imperfect left hand. People may have reasons,so I don't see whats the problem with touchscreen,people say 20k with touchscreen plays,but if you watch their replay count, it is A LOT more than others.

I wondering about your left hand condition though, but never give up then .
But why not go mouse only? since touchscreen is more limited than mouse only, sure you could get more pp by playing with touchscreen now but you will get surpassed by mouse only player in a long run.

Ignore those who talk bad about you, they're always there.

ExGon wrote:

hey, rank/pp/playcount/etc <- just a number

Thanks, I will remember.

Infevo wrote:

Ima start playing baseball with a tennis racket instead of a bat and a huge brailer net instead of a glove and call it "just another playstyle".
Or I'll play golf leaving my club and taking the ball in my hand and throwing it towards the next hole which I make sure to dig several meters bigger than usual or even better? I pick the ball up and carry it to the hole by myself and call it a hole-in-one. It's my "playstyle" after all; so don't argue!

My comment earlier was just pointing out the fact that osu! was designed with touchscreen gameplay in mind in the first place (unlike every single example you just gave), so it doesn't count as cheating. At this point, you're just making yourself look dumb.

(besides, the aim advantage only benefits you on very specific map styles... if you want to be even remotely competent with streams, you'll need to use a keyboard, and even then, it'll be about the same as playing on a graphics tablet with a big active area, aside from the fact your damn hand is blocking the screen)

Why did this thread have to descend into a touchscreen debate? OP just wanted more maps

my suggestion for touchscreen maps is:

app 80% of dt-fcable maps with other playstyles -> you can nomod fc them with touchscreen

good luck!


edit : here are some fun maps with touchscreen,


https://osu.ppy.sh/s/29727 great 170bpm 1/4 singletap practice map.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/9995 165bpm 1/4 singletap.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/53857 od9.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/325158 195bpm, but we can hit all 1/4 stream with bad acc.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/45074 how fast can you go, PoK3RFace did crazy job.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/134828

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/74301 +EZ is recommended.

YayMii wrote:

My comment earlier was just pointing out the fact that osu! was designed with touchscreen gameplay in mind in the first place (unlike every single example you just gave), so it doesn't count as cheating. At this point, you're just making yourself look dumb.

It was made for mouse play first. I mean the original was an inspiration but this game was not intended to be played with touch screen but mouse and keyboard. Tablet got accepted very quickly, since again, it is based on the same principle. Only difference is the aim component (absolute vs relative). The aim component of touch screens is non existent and due this "playstyle" will never be accepted by serious players. And people who pick up touch screen for the pp primarily like the op make themselves look ridiculous when trying to argue this being "just another playstyle" when it is so obvious it has nothing to do with the game and the pp system as designed.

(besides, the aim advantage only benefits you on very specific map styles... if you want to be even remotely competent with streams, you'll need to use a keyboard, and even then, it'll be about the same as playing on a graphics tablet with a big active area, aside from the fact your damn hand is blocking the screen)

Still you're removing the aim component. Btw. there are pen users on touch screen so you don cover anything up you just extend the length of your finger and still directly aim at stuff while actively being able to see the movement of your input device. And even if you use a keyboard instead of 2 pens for streaming you take away the aim component which is the point here you can't argue against unless mentally retarded or trying to be an obnoxious troll.
I don't even know how this even can remotely be a point. Do you even realize how stupid this is? "yeah. people get scores they don't deserve and would not deserve in the next year or two from aim maps BUT they can't stream so it is justified." W T F

ExGon wrote:

my suggestion for touchscreen maps is:

app 80% of dt-fcable maps with other playstyles -> you can nomod fc them with touchscreen

good luck!

My suggestions:

1. Either remove touch screen scores. They can be identified super easy in replays.
2. Remove the aim component from the pp granted in any achieved score by touch screen plays. Would be interesting to see how much your 'Game Over' score would still be worth, wouldn't it. Like 100? Maybe 120?

YayMii wrote:

My comment earlier was just pointing out the fact that osu! was designed with touchscreen gameplay in mind in the first place (unlike every single example you just gave), so it doesn't count as cheating.

Great logic dude. In Rink Hockey I'm allowed to run around barefoot because it is based on real hockey and therefore not cheating.

YayMii wrote:

(besides, the aim advantage only benefits you on very specific map styles... if you want to be even remotely competent with streams, you'll need to use a keyboard, and even then, it'll be about the same as playing on a graphics tablet with a big active area, aside from the fact your damn hand is blocking the screen)

So it's okay if I programmed and used a hack as long as it streamed inaccurately?

You guys completely missed my point. The game was always designed for touchscreen. The only reason why mouseplay is prevalent is because it is (and has been) the most used peripheral on PC. Tom94 doesn't see any problem with maps like High Score being rankable with touchscreen, and neither should you. Besides, peppy has plans to bring the desktop version of osu! to iOS and Android, so the intent is still there.

this "playstyle" will never be accepted by serious players.

Then explain why touchscreen players like Bikko and SapphireGhost have made it so far in rank with this playstyle with barely any community complaints, and have even earned some respect along the way?

Great logic dude. In Rink Hockey I'm allowed to run around barefoot because it is based on real hockey and therefore not cheating.

Still doesn't apply here at all. Ice hockey uses an entirely different ruleset, whereas osu! doesn't. Touchscreen has (for the most part) always been considered acceptable by the game's devs.

So it's okay if I programmed and used a hack as long as it streamed inaccurately?

I never said anything about hacks... You're greatly exaggerating the advantage that a touchscreen actually gives.

YayMii wrote:

]Then explain why touchscreen players like Bikko and SapphireGhost have made it so far in rank with this playstyle with barely any community complaints, and have even earned some respect along the way?

Maybe because a) they can actually play the game because they did invest time into actual playstyles and not whoring for pp exclusively b) the respect didn't come from touch screen scores.

The game was always designed for touchscreen.

No, it wasn't. It is made for PC. PCs use screens as output device. Controls have been mouse+keyboard from the beginning. Touch screen support was only considered later on to close the gap to the casual original. But with an implemented pp system it doesn't make any sense. And Tom himself acts all delusional about it. He plays touch screen himself and he couldn't care less about the game's competitive scene from my understanding anymore. I talked to him about some of the oviously unjustified scores and he wouldn't want to grant me this point.

I don't care if people use touch screens, cheats or any kinds of hacks if they do it for whatever reasons of having fun as long as I don't have to deal with threads like these which even encourage it. But most of them do it to break the ranking system and to troll serious others who actually put work into their game. In the end most of them get banned (with the exception of touch screen players for whatever irrational reason). If you really enjoy cheating and calling this a playstyle feel free. I just suggest people like op who do it for the pp to play offline, move on to Cytus or a change in the pp system. PP for touch screen plays don't make sense, don't you get it? As long as aim is rewarded so strongly and aiming with touch is intuition it does not make _ any sense_.

No the original control scheme was mouse only

@Infevo: You must've not been here before Tom's ranking system was introduced. PPv1 almost entirely relied on whoever put the most effort and time into finding and playing farmable maps, and those two that I mentioned were still very highly ranked back then. I think it'd be unfair to rule them out as 'pp farmers'.

That being said, you're still discounting the fact that playing with touch has its own share of difficulties, which is why it is still considered a valid playstyle. A majority of the maps currently out there are not at any real advantage from playing with a touchscreen, and those that are have either been already excluded from PP gain entirely or have been ranked very recently (which may only prove an issue if the trend continues). Besides, Tom94 has said it himself that segregating touchscreen scores would not even work unless there was a 100% reliable way of detecting this playstyle.

that guy don't know about history and technology, what a pity. no one can rescue

I didn't know ExGon browsed GnR

^I think he came over just because of this thread

Also: Worth noting is that osu! added touchscreen PC support just days after the game went public back in 2007 (delays only due to technical issues with pen input), so I think it's good enough to consider that point moot.

We all now pp is never accurate in the first place and that the devs have no intention of fixing that anytime soon so why even bother

YayMii wrote:

Tom94 has said it himself that segregating touchscreen scores would not even work unless there was a 100% reliable way of detecting this playstyle.

And I disagree on this one with him. Neither do I agree on keeping score like this since it breaks the ranking system as explained thoroughly before nor is it impossible to code. In fact, I could come up with some reliable pseudo code just thinking about the issue right off the bat. Analyzing the cursor movement, detecting the amount of times x the cursor moves more than y pixels/dots in under 1 frame difference of time in a row or a certain amount of set time (depending on the desired reliability and the server computing capabilities) and then systematically unrank plays on the boolean return value after the loop returns its value of times x. Just use this algorithm on a section of the replay where object density is consistent >= calculated value.

If this made right i guarantee it is 100% reliable simply because neither tablet nor mouse playstyle cause these instant cursor jumps.

One might argue there are not that many players who abuse the pp system with touch screens, yet, so it isn't too big of a deal. I think it is a matter of principle and I don't get the double standards. People get restricted for months over nothing, cheaters get banned and multis lose their accounts but this is not being addressed because there was no 100% reliable method?

Again, I couldn't give less of a fk if players like playing this way. In fact, as long as people enjoy it I am all for it. But as long as their plays get evaluated by the same pp algorithm as other players' who actually learn how to properly aim and sync right/left hand movements perfectly over 10 millions of hits and 100 thousands of plays it doesn't make any sense to me.

The whole point of implementing this system was to give the players a somewhat reliable metric of showing how objectively well they do and aim + hand syncronization are 2 of the most important aspects of the skill set and parts of the pp reward. That's also why I would love to keep arguing that there's no "free pp" for that matter. But this only applies as long as the most relevant parts of the pp algorithm remain relevant not only in theory.

YayMii wrote:

Still doesn't apply here at all. Ice hockey uses an entirely different ruleset, whereas osu! doesn't. Touchscreen has (for the most part) always been considered acceptable by the game's devs.

Just to make my standpoint clear, because I don't think that came accross in my post on the first page: I think playing the game with touchscreen (exclusively talking about the playstyle seen in the video ExGon posted) is fine. It's the lack of separate rankings that annoys me. I mean look at this shit -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPTomHS6l4k. I know it got nerfed but that's still ridiculous. I would imagine it to be incredibly easy to get 300pp scores, maybe even 400+ on touchscreen and then it probably completely falls off a cliff because accuracy and streams get more important. If you just farmed aim maps you could probably find yourself in the top 1000 players in rankings within a month or so and then be completely screwed and stagnate for eternity.

That's what bothers me, not how much fun other people have. Of course, in the end I'm not affected by it because there aren't many touchscreen players around (yet?) but I still care for the sake of discussion; and the topic came up so whatevs.

Scenario A:

I will play basketball with brand A shoes
He will play basketball with brand B shoes

Scenario B:

I will play basketball with brand A shoes
He will play basketball with brand A rollerskates


The first is the one you're pointing out Infervo but un/fortunately, the devs preferred the latter direction based on my previous post. It was just a matter of time. I think you can use some exotic devices for tapping too besides your typical keyboard for osu iirc.

Infevo wrote:

If this made right i guarantee it is 100% reliable simply because neither tablet nor mouse playstyle cause these instant cursor jumps.

I'm not sure if you've been paying attention, but Tom said he tried doing something like that, and that it's simply too difficult to avoid flagging false positives. The osu! server only records cursor movement at 60fps (and increasing that limit would increase server costs) so a fast tablet or mouse player could easily snap their cursor fast enough to have this type of detection falsely flag them.

@Saphirshroom: That map wasn't nerfed, it was removed from the PP system entirely. Tom has actually tried nerfing aim-heavy maps in attempt to make touch screens more competitive on maps like that, but that simply hurt too many scores to be feasible. He also said that maps like that aren't supposed to be rankable anyways, so if we get more aim-heavy maps that require no speed at all to play, then that'd the ranking team's fault, not the game's.

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As I've said before, the way touch screens are implemented only provide specific advantages. If you play 2-handed touch, you're boosting your aim while sacrificing speed as well as any hope of reliably hitting streams, while playing touch+keyboard is disavantageous compared to simply playing with a tablet.
I've personally played on touch screen before, and honestly, even with jump-heavy maps like [Game Over] and [jieusieu's Lemur], I seriously doubt that the advantage is anywhere near what you guys seem to make it out to be. Sure, you can get lots of PP from easy C or B ranks on these maps, but that's simply because of how they're weighted difficulty-wise (that's not too difficult to achieve on tablet anyways). But to reliably get touch-screen S ranks on those maps, let alone any map worth over 200pp per FC, is seriously impressive in my eyes and takes a lot more skill than you're willing to give credit for. Touch may seem unfair theoretically, but in practice, it isn't at all, especially considering the fact that speed is still just as (if not more) important as aim is. But in the end, it's still the same game regardless of what a player is using for input.

also, who said anything about fun

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

Scenario A:

I will play basketball with brand A shoes
He will play basketball with brand B shoes

Scenario B:

I will play basketball with brand A shoes
He will play basketball with brand A rollerskates


The first is the one you're pointing out Infervo but un/fortunately, the devs preferred the latter direction based on my previous post. It was just a matter of time. I think you can use some exotic devices for tapping too besides your typical keyboard for osu iirc.

never forget

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

The first is the one you're pointing out Infervo but un/fortunately, the devs preferred the latter direction based on my previous post. It was just a matter of time. I think you can use some exotic devices for tapping too besides your typical keyboard for osu iirc.

You're right. I am just stating the obvious which apparently isn't so obvious for many. And that is the inconsequence of the devs' decision making and of the whole game's concept as we have to accept it right now.

Just saying, I love this game like no other and I want it to be good and even to keep on improving if possible. But this particular issue breaks my positive perception of the else really neat pp algorithm.

To be honest, I have plenty of issues with the current PP system, so rankable touchscreen scores are the least of my worries. But you don't see me complaining, since most of my complaints either are controversial and fundamentally game-changing if fixed (as in, issues that have existed with the score system since the beginning of time), or simply don't currently have any better solution (such as the fact that certain difficulty aspects, e.g. map readability, aren't easily measurable and can't be considered when calculating a map's pp worth). But I digress.

I just want scarlet rose to be worth big pp

YayMii wrote:

Infevo wrote:

If this made right i guarantee it is 100% reliable simply because neither tablet nor mouse playstyle cause these instant cursor jumps.

I'm not sure if you've been paying attention, but Tom said he tried doing something like that, and that it's simply too difficult to avoid flagging false positives. The osu! server only records cursor movement at 60fps (and increasing that limit would increase server costs) so a fast tablet or mouse player could easily snap their cursor fast enough to have this type of detection falsely flag them.

Under no circumstances would a mouse or tablet cause the cursor to never appear between two consecutive non-overlapping, reasonably spaced circles.

On touchscreen plays the cursor simply spends very little time in non-circle locations because it doesn't have to travel.
omg osu touchscreen detection/?!?