sb:
how about also using some flash for those strong hitosunded drums like 01:55:149 (1) - 02:00:058 (1) - 02:04:422 (1) -
like you did for 02:07:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) -
same for other similar parts like 02:43:686 (1) - 02:52:413 (1) - etc

wzxxzw wrote:

06:02:890 (1,2) -

10/10

1. 01:26:712 - add 88BPM here and snap the slidertail to that
2. 01:28:238 - delete pls, kds pls, thx! (slidertails snap more correctly if you just keep the 74BPM, kinda sounds like it's even faster but that's neglegible lolz)
3. 01:29:134 - move this to like :120 (which is where your original previous BPM landed on lol)
   ok ye starting with the next section there's quite some fixing to do which will take me some time, so I'll just come back to this whenever xd
4. nvm a small point that can easily be changed: For better experience in converts or with Nightcore (as if anyone would ever play this map with any of those lol), add the 200BPM-section already at 05:11:047 and add one at 05:13:798 so you can delete the one in-between and still be at the right offset afterwards (the not-mapped guitar is still following the offset of the first section, but the drums set in with different offset, that's why the reset is unavoidable )

1. Have you thought about mapping 00:26:308 etc? would fit really good imo, just stacking them onto the next object
2. 00:02:196 (3) - Maybe NC lol dunno, seems cool imo
3. 00:03:486 (6,7) - 00:06:066 (4) etc - Maybe it's just bc high AR makes me nervous but for me there's a big difference between reverse-slider and slider+circle, thus I find it a bit unsettling that you just switch between them randomly, like, imo it would be much cooler if the first four were all just sliders, but then all those with flute playing two sliders (00:18:970 (4) is the only exception for that) (only counting until 00:34:454 bc from there on it's consistent \o/)
   Also, I'd personally find it cool if 00:16:389 (5,6) - 00:21:550 (5,6) - etc were simply 1/1 sliders bc rn the tail always seems so overmapped Also 00:44:131 (8,9) kinda
   Also my differentiation-sense is tingeling at 00:51:228 (4,5,6) bc 00:52:034 doesn't have a note, maybe make 00:51:873 (6,7) one slider too? xd
4. 01:33:877 (1) until 01:39:331 (1) - I don't see much sense in how you set the sliders, at all of the other stream-sections in the whole rest of the map they made very much sense to me, but they don't really do that here, maybe have a look at that again
5. 01:49:149 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - As you have seen I am terrible at streams and don't know that much about them, but afaik patterning it like this gives pmuch zero emphasis to 01:49:422 (5,9,1) but instead gives it to 01:49:695 (7,11,2) since that's where you need to jump to - As reference, look at how I did it in this map at 00:17:458 (7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6) - (and pls ignore the rest lol damn), I think that fits better emphasis-wise, or maybe just ask some other modder who knows how streams work xd (I'll actually try to ask fartownik when he's on)
6. 02:21:331 (7,10) - Those are really heavy beats + heavy storyboard, seems a bit weird to not have it emphasized in the map tbh same at 03:31:141 (7,10) -
7. 02:22:967 (5) - NC pl0x
8. 02:34:004 (3) - doesn't make much difference but I feel like making this just a circle would fit better since the note at the tail isn't audible at all when not supported by hitsounding
9. 02:41:777 (2,3) - iirc you didn't do any stacks until here but start doing many in the next section, putting one here already seems random to me
10. 03:03:459 - tbh sliderticks sounds superweird to me, sure you don't wanna silence them?
    03:13:345 - 03:16:072 - cool green lines, would be even cooler if they actually did something, like, perhaps, lower volume, just a suggestion though :^)
11. 03:26:232 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - just pointing this out in case being-curved-at-the-start-but-then-straight-(?) was not your intention, dunno lol
12. 03:28:686 (2,3,1) - (1) could be like somewhat in the middle of (2,3) in case you care about (3,1) being pretty close rn
13. 03:41:779 (5,4,5,1) - barely noticeable but I think this 'overlap' could be easily avoided ^^
    
14. 03:57:291 - extremely minor but from here on, at the parts where you do the back&forth-jumps, like 03:58:462 (1,2,3) - 04:01:096 (2,3,1) etc, I don't really hear the stuff in the music that those jumps seem to be mapped after bc they're so quiet, so I'd find it pretty cool if you could maybe support that a bit by some sort of hitsounding?
    
15. 04:12:218 (4,1,2) - This flows reeaally weird for me, I instincitvely moved right to (2), maybe bc (4,1) is so close but suddenly (1,2) is so far away? dunno
16. Again not any real issue but a suggestion: Imo the section from 04:25:389 on would work very well as a slightly more calm section for the player to rest a bit, like by lowering spacing/SV by a bit - Right now, it seems to be exactly as hard as the section from 04:34:755 on although there is much more happening there
    Also these are sections where the sliderticks seem kinda annoying to me lol
    
17. 05:14:753 - silence end maybe xd
18. 05:25:117 (1) etc - Those are places where I understand people getting headaches from the hitsound bc having it on both head and tail of 1/4-sliders is really op lol
    I mean other than that they don't really fit metal imo but w/e lol
19. I kinda miss emphasis for 05:40:389 and 05:40:798 so I'd make them sliders and then also map 05:41:071 (1) with circles instead bc rn the 'emphasis' on 05:41:344 (2) seems random and makes 05:41:617 (6,7) not stand out as much as it should imo
    Actually that's the same as 01:44:786 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) which is mapped nicely too, so yeah maybe map it like that again, w/e ^^
20. 05:55:799 (4,5) - not enough emphasis for (5) imo, maybe ctrl-g (5)?
21. 06:03:436 (2) - tbh I feel like the final beat of such a song could have more emphasis, for example maybe placing it around the head of (1) bc it's the same tone twice?)
22. Also, that last note is the only time where it's extremely audible that your hitsound just cuts out at some point so maybe edit it to make it fade out or smth lol

Bonsai wrote:

oops
You already know me but I'll just write it anyways: Don't be scared by the length xd, as always a lot is just minor suggestions, you also don't need to give detailed reason when denying stuff lol
oh, this looks way less scary in the forum than it did when I wrote it in Word lol hf


timing

1. nvm a small point that can easily be changed: For better experience in converts or with Nightcore (as if anyone would ever play this map with any of those lol), add the 200BPM-section already at 05:11:047 and add one at 05:13:798 so you can delete the one in-between and still be at the right offset afterwards (the not-mapped guitar is still following the offset of the first section, but the drums set in with different offset, that's why the reset is unavoidable ) - not sure if i'm just dumb but if i put the 220bpm-section at 05:11:047 already then it would fuck up the snapping of that sliderend and that circle there.

stuff

1. 01:49:149 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - As you have seen I am terrible at streams and don't know that much about them, but afaik patterning it like this gives pmuch zero emphasis to 01:49:422 (5,9,1) but instead gives it to 01:49:695 (7,11,2) since that's where you need to jump to - As reference, look at how I did it in this map at 00:17:458 (7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6) - (and pls ignore the rest lol damn), I think that fits better emphasis-wise, or maybe just ask some other modder who knows how streams work xd (I'll actually try to ask fartownik when he's on) - imo it would be super weird for the snare to be a circle here. Like for me it's more "natural" to emphasize the snares with kicksliders here rather than jumps.
2. 02:34:004 (3) - doesn't make much difference but I feel like making this just a circle would fit better since the note at the tail isn't audible at all when not supported by hitsounding - i like this random ebin gimmick idk imo it emphasizes the triple stuff nicely for some reason
3. 03:57:291 - extremely minor but from here on, at the parts where you do the back&forth-jumps, like 03:58:462 (1,2,3) - 04:01:096 (2,3,1) etc, I don't really hear the stuff in the music that those jumps seem to be mapped after bc they're so quiet, so I'd find it pretty cool if you could maybe support that a bit by some sort of hitsounding? - throw me cool hitsounds for this and i'll do it
4. 04:12:218 (4,1,2) - This flows reeaally weird for me, I instincitvely moved right to (2), maybe bc (4,1) is so close but suddenly (1,2) is so far away? dunno - idk man this flow always felt natural to me
5. Again not any real issue but a suggestion: Imo the section from 04:25:389 on would work very well as a slightly more calm section for the player to rest a bit, like by lowering spacing/SV by a bit - Right now, it seems to be exactly as hard as the section from 04:34:755 on although there is much more happening there - i'm not gonna reduce sv cause i suck with slow sv nowadays and i think i reduced the spacing when i mapped this

Wow, haven't done this in a while lol

Maakkeli wrote:

i need a beer

1. ok hopefully i resnapped all greenlines correctly and stuff and yea
2. will ask dooms for a testplay when i actually manage to catch him online
3. will inform comfywolf about timing changes (soon)
4. i'm not gonna be home for the end of the week i'm going to a metal festival