Nizikawa - F.K.S.

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Yauxo
I'll lower AR to 9.2 with the next mods I think
Topic Starter
Pho

Rizia wrote:

[OVERDRIVE]
  1. raise od like OD9 that's a bit over the top for the patterns i used in this map, 8.5 should suffice
  2. 00:07:167 (1,1) - if this two are 1/2 seem will more nature imo 3/4 sliders fit better to the vocals i believe
  3. 00:45:870 (2,3) - this a little bit extreme xd i'm sure players are able to handle it lol
  4. 01:11:059 (1,1) - for me its not too comfortable to play, use circle instead of slider will be better I keep this one for consistency purposes as I did the same in similar sections. Also shouldn't be that uncomfortable to play, you just need to hold them a bit longer than regular circles.


[EXHAUST]
  1. 00:45:113 (1,2,3) - its weird on clicking thing, how about reverse 00:45:113 (1) - then add a circle like this
    I did something else here, but good suggestion
  2. 01:01:113 (2,3,4) - nc spam here? it really looks seem with 01:01:654 (1,2,3,4,5) - 1/4 lol but i used the same spacing for them, it's visually distinctable
  3. 01:14:059 (1) - different snap with hardest diff should be fixed
  4. 01:19:248 (2,4) - overmapped these are existent in the background


[Collab HYPER]
  1. 00:53:546 - add spinner like hardest diff? done
  2. 01:17:870 (2) - snapping done
Sorry for the late reply Rizia! ><
Updated, also changed background source to something less clickbaity that makes more sense.

@GDers: Please tell me if you're fine with the new BG and combo colours! If you have any concerns about it or want to have the old BG/CC back in your diff, tell me so in-game! (though the newer one should be way more appropriate)
Strategas
[g]

soft-sliderslide22.wav unused

normal-hitclap.wav
normal-hitclap22.wav these two have no delay on the actual sound, but they give feedback after like 6 ms, which can be a bit weird for some people, you can probably remove the buildup sound of it to fix it

[overdrive]

would be cool if you used silent sliderslide hitsound as stuff like 00:39:275 (1,1,1,1) - doesn't sound very nice (cool patern btw)

00:20:302 (4,1) - feels too low spaced

00:56:140 (1,1) - can you not COMPLETELY overlap them lol, the slider path should be more obvious imo, this one at 00:57:438 (1,1,1) - is more or less fine because there's more time between the objects that overlap

01:01:005 (1,1,1,1) - I'm sure this will be misleading, because you just used a triangle that looked very similar but it was 1/2

01:19:167 (1,2) - for me 4 circles feel better because the instrument you followed is also played on the blue ticks

01:23:627 (2,3) - looks weird with autostacking

the only thing that worries me here playability wise is that you have lots of linear movement with your 1/4 sliders like 00:08:140 (1,2,1) - 00:10:897 (2,3,4) - 00:28:573 (5,6,1) - 00:30:194 (1,2,3,4) - 01:06:194 (1,2,1) - 01:20:627 (4,1,2) -

[Yauxo]

00:16:573 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - lower the volume, the hitsounds become really loud cuz the music stops

00:24:519 (1) - shouldbe 1/2

01:34:411 (1,2,3,4) - lower spacing? wouldn't expect 1/3 from sightreading

[exhaust]

00:13:167 (4,1) - feels too close

00:41:059 (5,6,7) - uncomfortably linear again :X

01:24:924 (2,3,1) - flow into 1 is pretty harsh
01:25:572 (2,3,1) - same

[hyper]

00:45:113 (1,3) - remove one repeat on these and add a circle on the white tick instead http://i.imgur.com/GqxfPIU.png gives more pressure on the important note

[Milan-]

01:27:438 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - feel like too hard for this diff, I already didn't want to use stuff like this in insane diffs lol

[standard]

00:05:546 (2) - ds

cool
Yauxo
- Lowered AR
- Saved the update (no bg, no colours though :v)

Strategas
- Yes, lowered in 2 circle steps (down to 40%)
- No, Slider sits on the wub sound, not the drum (thus doesnt end on it)
- I feel like they should be fine? Im careful with nerfing since the diff between this and Pho's is pretty extreme (even if the SR doesnt support that). These are the only few Sliders that have their heads this close (compared to other Kicksliders) and they have similar spacing to the 1/3 part before.

- Kind of doesnt matter now anyway, diff will be remapped

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Topic Starter
Pho
@Strategas:
OVERDRIVE
00:20:302 (4,1) - tested this one out myself, the spacing is fine as it is
00:56:140 (1,1) - it's the purpose of this pattern to be tricky to read, manually stacking them would look pretty awkward actually. given the low note-density at this point i think it's not that unfair to play at all
01:01:005 (1,1,1,1) - I believe NCs and the significantly lower spacing should indicate this already
01:19:167 (1,2) - i think it's even more rage-inducing now thanks!
i think linear movement sliderpatterns give a good challenge in comparison to snap-heavy movement, i don't think it's too hard to catch them either. you just need more control over your movement for them.

EXHAUST
00:13:167 (4,1) - I don't think this is a problem at all
00:41:059 (5,6,7) - same reason as in OVERDRIVE.
01:24:924 (2,3,1) - harsh movement is on purpose on these patterns for better emphasis as the rhythm is also the one of its kind that leads into the final part.

STANDARD
the spacing on the first two sliders shouldn't be much of an issue, it's right at the beginning and i can hardly imagine even novice players gonna have problems with how to read it

sorry for the late reply, had to rearrange some things and remake the GRAVITY difficulty with Yauxo.
everything i didn't comment on was fixed, thanks for the mod! i will call you up when we're ready :)
Strategas
just a suggestion but it would sound nicer if you converted your normal whistles to soft or just found another one, personally I had to lower the hitsound volume because it was a bit too much for me

[basic]

you might want to increase the stack leniency, because stuff like 00:39:275 (3,4) - completely overlaps and often new guys don't really have transparent skins to read that stuff

[milan]

00:08:789 (1,2,3,4,1) - 01:04:897 (1,2,3,4,1) - not really good for spread as normal doesn't even have tripples, and going from few 1/2 notes to 5 1/4 notes is lol

also the thing I mentioned in the above post

[collab gravity]

00:42:843 (3) - nc on this reads easier and looks better

01:28:897 (2) - missed nc?

when you're ready
Yauxo

Strategas wrote:

[collab gravity]
00:42:843 (3) - nc on this reads easier and looks better
Pho pls add ty

btw, 00:10:248 (2) - hatte ich bei mir verschoben und ich weiß nicht, ob du gelesen hast, dass ich ihn verschoben hatte. Falls du den noch als Blanket willst, uh, jetzt hab ich's gesagt.
Milan-
babied
osu file format v14

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Topic Starter
Pho
Okay, all suggestions applied inc. Wivaiien's! I used a custom, less ear-raping normal-hitwhistle, so you may want to redownload to check it out.
Also added mising kiai in collab gravity
pkhg
o shit i forgot this
reply soon tm
Yauxo
what did you do to the poor hitwhistle bird
Strategas
osom
Yauxo

Strategas wrote:

osom
Strategas
that's exactly my reaction when I first saw the map
Topic Starter
Pho
i see lazor-shooting eyes (thanks strategas xd)
Yauxo
Rizia
[OVERDRIVE]
00:10:411 (3) - the whistle hitsound should be on 00:10:329 (2) -
00:15:600 (3) - same 00:15:519 (2) -
same reason on 01:10:086 - bLablbla


[EXHAUST]
00:09:113 (2) - nc should be here?

yes
Rizia
rechecked and everything is fine
qualified
Squilly
WOWO
Yukiyo
00:56:789 (1) -
"Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end. Sliders which overlap themselves in a way that makes any section unreadable or ambiguous (including "burai sliders") cannot be used. This is so that no slider has an appearance that is confusing or impossible for the player to read. Additionally, the slider borders must never be covered up from the slider being packed in too tightly. However, sliders that cross over themselves are fine as long as the borders are clearly visible." ?

I don't really think low note density (as written in your answer to the mod mentioning this) is a valid reason to have this. Players playing this first time are almost guaranteed to fail or sliderbreak or best case "100" it. Not being able to "sight-read" a map is pretty discouraging for a player and shouldn't really be a thing. By sight-reading I really mean "reading". It's just not enjoyable that way. Another for this not to be acceptable is that this is the only time in the map you use those cheeky overlaps. If players are used to playing this they might expect it. But as you didn't do it before and the fact that there is a pause leading into it is just no acceptable in my opinion. Tricky patterns =/= unreadable patterns.
Not that my opinion would change anything anyways lo

Happy Holidays!
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