1. Settling Down (7.42 stars, 1416 notes)

Battle wrote:

#prayforAImod look at AImod cuz a bunch of things are unsnapped, and there's things touching the healthbar etc. aa i knowww, oh btw healthbar touching isn't unrankable, i normally avoid it but there are some rotation patterns here where it's kinda unavoidable
00:34:288 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I can already see this being an issue, since the beat except for the lyrics, is basically the same as 00:27:431 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , yet is emphasized much more differently, kinda goes the same for the bigger spacing later on with notes that were the anti-jumps uhh the whole intro rhythms are designed to introduce 1/4 jump patterns, and so slowly build in intensity the longer the song goes on
01:58:074 (1) - Maybe make the shape a little differently to distinguish the weird sound here the right angle that separates it from the previous slider pattern already does that imo, i like the straight sliders as a common theme, and tbh keeping slider designs as simple as possible is usually better for cs5 maps from my experience
01:58:931 (1) - ^
02:06:002 (1,2) - I think stacking here would be better since the pause maybe a little unexpected, plus having 2 -> 1 slider will kinda emphasize it a bit more fair point, but i don't really want a snap into the 1/6 rhythm, there haven't been any at all in this wub section. i'll think about it/wait for other ideas about the gap, but tbh i think the music alone + the circle interrupting the pattern is enough for the pause to not be unexpected.
02:11:788 (1) - Slider shape thing for future modding, don't bother linking all the same points, just write "also applies to other synths of this nature" or whatever
02:12:645 (1) - ^ it kinda doesn't make sense to make it the same slider as all the other sounds when it's pretty unique
02:56:895 (2,3) - Pretty big spacing compared to sth like 02:53:467 (2,3) - i mean, you're not wrong, but the whole rhythm of this part should be expected because it's the exact same structure as the beginning. higher spacing throughout this middle section is used to keep things interesting/"dancier"
04:18:645 (1) - Slider shapeeee
04:19:503 (1) - ^
04:41:217 (1,1) - Snapping here doesn't make sense, snap to vocals?
04:48:002 (1,1) - ^ make similar to 04:43:002 (1,1) -
all other snappings go with violin sounds but those ones sounded off i've listened to this part for a good while and i'm pretty positive this is the right snapping
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Airachi wrote:

hello (it says asdf but i modded the updated version not the unsubmitted one, but i rly like the name asdf)
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-Random suggestion but would you consider a different combo colour for really high SV? since most of this section is combo spammed i think it would help a lot with differentiating the SV changes, but i personally have a hard time noticing them, so i am not sure how hard it is to see. IE: 01:58:074 (1) - looks the same distance as 01:53:145 (1) - to me so could be really confusing idk i could rework the nc's so they only happen on sv changes for that section, butttt i think the nc job is better like this for wubwub emphasis... from my playing/random testplays, i've never seen people have issue reading these sv changes, the object layout makes them all clear enough

-i have curving suggestions in there but i tried to keep it consistent to at least make them noticeable and emphasized, this map is clearly revolves around straight sliders emphasizing things but i think that opens up more opportunity to emphasize things even better with specific things mapped a certain way especially because 95% of the map would still be straight. I also feel that curving things represents a slower feel so it would make more sense to me to use a curve on the parts i mentioned where as everything else is energetic and moves real quick and feels/looks nice

1. 00:27:431 (1) -
   00:30:860 (1) - maybe make these two sliders, the rest of the section you have them as sliders nope, these are needed for introducing the 1/8 snapping pattern at 00:42:860 (1,2,3,4) - by teaching the player the song's rhythm
2. 00:51:431 (1) - would u consider having this note on the other side of the play field? i.e: ctrl+h and u know that kinds of flows for a nice motion of going back. (i am sure you already thought of this before tho, and theres nothing wrogn with where it currently is so ) prefer mine, traveling the same direction as the line makes it feel more powerful imo
3. i think you should give more distance to similar notes like 00:30:002 (5) - 00:33:431 (5) - but i know the song is just starting out so it makes sense not to, but it's so consistent and you do it right here 00:40:288 (5) - <this feels so nice to me or alternatively, everything similar after 00:40:288 (5) - make consistent since you already introduced it moved 00:43:502 (5) - so the jump is larger. the very beginning is all so close to get the player used to reading the approach circles, lots of gaps and complex rhythms. and everything else seems fine for emphasis
4. 01:00:860 (1,2,1,2) - i think these would nice as kick sliders, i feel like you could probably make better cursor motions with kick sliders also. i see what u are going for though, i don't dislike it, i wish i could play it adjfbkuashdf haha, well, that goes against the whole map concept so, no change
5. 01:27:431 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i think the spaced inbetween these should be spaced more to around x2.5-3 it's still less than the previous one and i see its supposed to be shorter distance, but i think x1 is a way to close i agree, fixed for all instances
6. 01:39:431 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i think keeping the "∞" flow for this particular set would be best https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4305606 did something similar, yours conflicts with how this pattern is used throughout the section, but i fixed it so it's a smoother motion
7. 01:53:145 (1) - slight curve? [i know everything is a straight slider but feels so right] http://puu.sh/mq6t3.jpg ehhh i prefer my straight sliders for better hold emphasis
   
   more suggestion for curve

   01:54:860 (1) - http://puu.sh/mq6vq.jpg
   01:59:574 (1,1) - http://puu.sh/mq6C2.jpg
8. 01:31:717 (1,2) - continue kick for this one? would emphasize the jump better to 01:31:931 (1) - imo [same for all similar kicksliders are only 1/12 for this section, and hanzer patterns like that are what the map is built around, so no change
9. 01:45:431 (1) - this this i think it flow better especially with next suggestion http://puu.sh/msrUv.jpg ctrl+g works good here i think
   01:46:288 (1,2,3,4) - ctrl+j (01:46:288 (1) - coordinate x93y207) well, i think it flows fine now with the earlier change, plus i'd like for 01:47:145 (1,2,3,4) - to be the different one here
10. 01:55:288 (1,1,2,1) - , 01:57:002 (1,1,2,1) - , 02:02:145 (1,1,2,1) - , , 02:03:860 (1,1,2,1) - all of these i think should be more consistent increases / decreases, sure sure, fixed up some, though they're mostly placed based on context (flow out of sliders and stuff)
11. 02:09:002 (1,1,2,1) - i dont think this angle transitions nice into 02:09:431 (1,1,1) - (looks and feels so harsh when the other one is supposed to be inreasing difficulty) compared to the next one 02:10:717 (1,1,2,1,1,1) - (is much better flow to me) well, i think this was fixed when i made the ds more consistent?
12. 02:13:288 (1) - try this feels nice emphasiszes so nice https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4363858 aa sorry but no change, this slider is my favourite ;w;
13. i dont feel the rotation in the song when i listen to song 03:42:967 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - feels more of a back and forth motion without the curve because it gets louder nd i feel the spacing should actually increase here not just stay one pattern the whole way hm well, this is just a more complex version of the earlier buildup stream, i think it fits well, otherwise i wouldn't have done it lol.. i'll think about other patterns, i suppose, though this will probably stay as is
14. this is my favorite 04:24:002 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - ww thanks <3
    
    
    I am sorry this took so long and i hope you reject most of what i suggested, my goal is to spark ideas not change it completely or dictate how it's supposed to be, so with that being said I hope i helped at all

1. Your rhythm choice at the intro seems to be following the percussion very closely. 00:33:431 (5,6) - It feels weird to have a jump from 5>6 when 4>5 doesn't receive the same treatment. 00:40:074 (4,5,6) - is better though. (I still don't think 5>6 requires such a big jump, but at least here its more proportional). This can apply to other stuff like 00:46:931 (5,6,7) - too.
2. 01:00:860 (1,2,1,2) - I don't really get why you choose to break the pattern here. I think the patterns you have here are fine, but you should stick to one "set" of arrangements at a time so there is at least more consistency in terms of how players are likely to play the pattern, as well as how the patterns will appear visually.
3. 01:09:430 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - For example, is good since the pattern is consistent in terms of how its played and how it is arranged.
4. 01:17:788 (1,2) - I would just make this a kickslider, same with 01:18:645 (1,2) - . That way theres a clear rhythm distinction between 01:18:645 (1,2) - and 01:18:860 (1,2,3,4) - .
5. 01:28:288 (1,2,3) - This still sounds like 1/8 to me since I can hear 5 beats.
   01:48:217 (3,4,1,2) - I would try and avoid flowbreaks that are really sharp like this. Right now you are basically getting the player to make a sharp turn from 4>1 and make another sharp turn in the opposite direction to play 1>2 so It's a bit too much here, especially since nothing significant lands on 01:48:430 (1) - .
6. 02:23:145 (3,1) - Okay I get the design of these sliders. Do you think you can find combo colors that create even a bit more contrast though? Because with 100% overlaps combo color changes can help. (It'll be fine if you're using a custom skin, but for default/skins that don't have a transparent slider more contrast wouldn't hurt). My main concern is Combo colors 1 and 3.
7. 03:15:431 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I don't really like the rhythm here xP. I mean, yea it works, but I really wish you had put some more emphasis into parts like 03:15:859 - 03:16:716 - cuz these feel more like sets of 3 to me. 123 123 123 123 etc... if you get what i mean xd.
8. 04:24:002 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - This is pretty cool actually. Something I've noticed with back/forth patterns though, is that players can land the jump sequences better when spacing is increasing, probably due to built up momentum or muscle memory idk. I would consider Having the jumps increase too since this sequence doesn't really begin on anything very powerful (04:22:931 (1,2,1,1,1,1,2) - ). But it certain ends on a high note.

Monstrata wrote:

[Settling Down]

1. Your rhythm choice at the intro seems to be following the percussion very closely. 00:33:431 (5,6) - It feels weird to have a jump from 5>6 when 4>5 doesn't receive the same treatment. 00:40:074 (4,5,6) - is better though. (I still don't think 5>6 requires such a big jump, but at least here its more proportional). This can apply to other stuff like 00:46:931 (5,6,7) - too. messed around a bit. i still like a slight jump into the 1/6 sliders, since you'll be lingering there for longer than on a circle, it seems paced better; but i did try to make it so the drums have more of a jump in comparison
2. 01:00:860 (1,2,1,2) - I don't really get why you choose to break the pattern here. I think the patterns you have here are fine, but you should stick to one "set" of arrangements at a time so there is at least more consistency in terms of how players are likely to play the pattern, as well as how the patterns will appear visually. well, any time there's a loud kick, there's a jump in the stream
3. 01:09:430 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - For example, is good since the pattern is consistent in terms of how its played and how it is arranged.
4. 01:17:788 (1,2) - I would just make this a kickslider, same with 01:18:645 (1,2) - . That way theres a clear rhythm distinction between 01:18:645 (1,2) - and 01:18:860 (1,2,3,4) - . well, the drums at those parts are too significant to map to a tail imo, i think the streamjump is enough of a distinction
5. 01:28:288 (1,2,3) - This still sounds like 1/8 to me since I can hear 5 beats. nope, the wubsounds are definitely 1/6
   01:48:217 (3,4,1,2) - I would try and avoid flowbreaks that are really sharp like this. Right now you are basically getting the player to make a sharp turn from 4>1 and make another sharp turn in the opposite direction to play 1>2 so It's a bit too much here, especially since nothing significant lands on 01:48:430 (1) - . yeah this is too emphasized, fixed
6. 02:23:145 (3,1) - Okay I get the design of these sliders. Do you think you can find combo colors that create even a bit more contrast though? Because with 100% overlaps combo color changes can help. (It'll be fine if you're using a custom skin, but for default/skins that don't have a transparent slider more contrast wouldn't hurt). My main concern is Combo colors 1 and 3. i find it funny that you talk about these sliders but not 02:21:217 (2,3) - , which aren't nc'd at all. from my experience with overlapped sliders, 1/1 distance (or 1/2 in this case xd) is enough time for the player to process everything. I've had players of various skill levels testplay this section, nobody had an issue.
7. 03:15:431 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I don't really like the rhythm here xP. I mean, yea it works, but I really wish you had put some more emphasis into parts like 03:15:859 - 03:16:716 - cuz these feel more like sets of 3 to me. 123 123 123 123 etc... if you get what i mean xd. yeah i see what you mean (and i did kinda do that with the hitsound volumes to stay consistent with the part in the beginning), but i still think pairing them up in groups of 2 fits better
8. 04:24:002 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - This is pretty cool actually. Something I've noticed with back/forth patterns though, is that players can land the jump sequences better when spacing is increasing, probably due to built up momentum or muscle memory idk. I would consider Having the jumps increase too since this sequence doesn't really begin on anything very powerful (04:22:931 (1,2,1,1,1,1,2) - ). But it certain ends on a high note. well, the spacing decreases because the pitch decreases (pretty sure the volume does too)

Somehow i feel the ending might need some red lines... Or well, since you're mapping to the violins or whatever, it wouldn't hurt to time the last section based on the instrument you're following too, unless those violins actually are 1/6 after the downbeat or something and not just a coincidence. hmm maybe, i'll try to call in a pro timer person and see what they have to say about it (but since the last slider lands on a white tick i feel like it may have been intentional, and the vocals are still in beat?)

Some stuff I mentioned should also be applied to the second chorus/etc whatever you call it since your rhythm/pattern choice seems to be very consistent between the two. In terms of how this map can be improved to become something rankable, Structurally and rhythmically the map seems pretty good. Playability will definitely require more careful analysis so definitely get testplays. Recording player feedback/having them post logs would be great too.

Some parts to look out for are stuff like: 01:42:860 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,1) - Where there are really large changes in spacing over a very short amount of time, which people can find uncomfortable to play. So yea. A line needs to be determined between what is structurally sound and challenging, and what is structurally sound but too awkward/difficult to be appreciated. sure thing, i'll try to call in anyone i can for opinions

Good luck~