clockwise and anti-clockwise scratches are different inputs (AFAIK), so this is false (unless there's a proof about this).

snoverpk wrote:

clockwise and anti-clockwise scratches are different inputs (AFAIK), so this is false (unless there's a proof about this).

so is right shift and < which i use for scratching but i can't press both of them at once or the inputs just don't work which makes scratch jacking very difficult

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

It's guideline, sample hitsound is fine unless you added 1/6 sample on 1/8 part, or kind of that
Most players turn off hitsound volume to 0% for a better gameplay in their opinion but for me I turn it on 100%, but for that, sample hitsound + normal hitsound on playfield (notes + long notes has hitsound) are fine to me, I've done this kind of hitsound for 1 year already and never head or get mention about this, guideline still being guideline, as long as it's not unrankable issues imo

Spy wrote:

I don't think using Sample hitsound get any unrankable issues. I used to do it in my many maps but they are fine.
And sometimes sample hitsound could represent for other sound that not the note we put in the map. I don't think it is a bad thing and must changed into notes. It's ridiculous.
Updated 8K diffs.

DE-CADE wrote:

If you disagree with Spy instead of popping my bubble from nowhere, why not discuss with him in game or anywhere you want. if both of you agreed that there's something need to change on the map then you can pop it. Not like this

Loctav wrote:

could as well just discuss here and let everyone see the discussion as it takes place instead of just walking in, rebubble without anybody even really having a chance to properly track what's going on or what has been changed and that's about it.

If you are unable to track the changes that were made by properly documenting them in this thread, don't be surprised that people walk in, pop things and ask for clarification.

DE-CADE wrote:

Loctav wrote:

could as well just discuss here and let everyone see the discussion as it takes place instead of just walking in, rebubble without anybody even really having a chance to properly track what's going on or what has been changed and that's about it.

If you are unable to track the changes that were made by properly documenting them in this thread, don't be surprised that people walk in, pop things and ask for clarification.

yes. it's not bad idea discussing here. But ask clarification first and then pop when both sides agreed or instead talked to who bubble it first. i'm not surprised at all when someone pop my bubble because just find a small unrankable issue and admit it as my mistake.

stryver12 wrote:

snoverpk wrote:

-snip-

however.... when you backspin, technically you release the input for the previous spin and press the input of the current spin. So technically it's playable, but I don't have a turntable, so....

stupud man wrote:

This chart isn't playable with a controller. I asked a controller player to try this chart live, he got an 86% mainly because he couldn't hit the scratches. If you want I can get a recording of myself playing the older version of this with a controller.

EDIT: I figured something out. Depending on the PCB, firmware, or controller itself, you may or may not be able to scratch. There is a workaround to the doublescratching issue on an ASC but it's difficult to figure out. EDIT 3: This solution extremely increases the turntable sensitivity so misfires are quite common.

EDIT 2: Another solution is to bind your scratch in joy2key or xpadder but from what I can see it creates input lag. Seems like the people I asked to test this weren't aware of these solutions at the time, however this is understandable seeing as how finding a workaround for this issue is somewhat inconvenient and honestly isn't worth the effort.

biemote wrote:

thank you for scratching~

Spy wrote:

So I just want to know what is the problem now.

stryver12 wrote:

stupud man wrote:

This chart isn't playable with a controller. I asked a controller player to try this chart live, he got an 86% mainly because he couldn't hit the scratches. If you want I can get a recording of myself playing the older version of this with a controller.

EDIT: I figured something out. Depending on the PCB, firmware, or controller itself, you may or may not be able to scratch. There is a workaround to the doublescratching issue on an ASC but it's difficult to figure out. EDIT 3: This solution extremely increases the turntable sensitivity so misfires are quite common.

EDIT 2: Another solution is to bind your scratch in joy2key or xpadder but from what I can see it creates input lag. Seems like the people I asked to test this weren't aware of these solutions at the time, however this is understandable seeing as how finding a workaround for this issue is somewhat inconvenient and honestly isn't worth the effort.

Ehhhh..... too bad

DE-CADE wrote:

Spy wrote:

So I just want to know what is the problem now.

need your explanation about your sample hitsound on certain instrument sound on the map. they said its very disturbing and it confuse between the pattern at gameplay

Feerum wrote:

Anyways, gonna pop this bubble until victorica give a proper mod reply to Blocko's DQ-Mod and i saw that you get feedback of the player who are complained about it.

AncuL wrote:

just me pointing out small things. dun gib me anything

[Victorica's 8K Leggendaria]

01:26:183 (86183|5) - Inconsistency. Might want to remove
01:32:393 - 01:33:683 - The synths could be emphasized
01:33:522 (93522|2,93522|6,93603|7,93603|3,93683|6,93683|1,93764|4,93845|2,93845|5,93845|7,93925|6,93925|3,94006|4,94006|1,94006|7) - Overdone?
01:38:441 (98441|7,98441|4,98441|1) - Why three notes?

This difficulty is wildly inconsistent. It could be either good or bad. I enjoy playing it though 8) good luck

Blocko wrote:

Hi again!

Judging from the mod responses since the last disqualification, some of the points that have been brought up by the community have been resolved by the mapper, but there's still one difficulty that has a glaring issue and has been left as it is where the mapper doesn't really provide a proper response to it.

I'll just drop a few suggestions on the 8K difficulties since those difficulties still have some problems that need to be resolved, but I'll start with the whole mapset about its hitsound usage.

General

Storyboard samples shouldn't be used unless there's a break in the map. Hitsounds exist to provide audible feedback to the player when they hit a note. Having storyboard samples in place of hitsounds when there are no notes to press is more disturbing than helpful, and will confuse the player to thinking they've just missed a note.
Move all the samples to the notes in the playfield and make sure there are no storyboard samples across all difficulties so it's not as confusing to play through the map.

Aaaand here's a short 8K mod just like I said.

8K

8K Column wrote:

S|1|2|3|4|5|6|7

[victorica's 8K Hyper]
00:56:103 (56103|3) - What's the scratch here for? You don't have this scratch on the harder difficulty, so it'd be better to keep pattern consistency by removing this scratch note.fixed

01:30:054 (90054|2) - I believe this is a ghost note. You don't have this note on similar parts of the map, (see 01:31:345 - , 01:35:216 - , and 01:36:506 - ) and I don't hear anything that can support why that's there, so that should be removed.fixed


[victorica's 8K Leggendaria]
00:34:974 (34974|0,35054|7,35081|0,35135|5,35189|0,35216|3,35296|0) - This is the part that's hard and uncomfortable to play. You have 1/3 scratch jacks with 1/4 notes in the mix, resulting in a cruel polyrhythm that can throw players off when they're not expecting the vocal to come into play, and as a player it's very difficult to approximate when the notes come in.
Moving those jacks to other columns wouldn't hurt the quality of the mapset overall, plus it'd make it much easier to go through.
Same goes for these patterns:
00:40:135 (40135|0,40216|3,40243|0,40296|5,40350|0,40377|3,40458|0) -
00:58:200 (58200|0,58280|3,58307|0,58361|5,58415|0,58522|0) - fixed

00:37:877 (37877|0,37958|0,38038|6,38038|0,38119|4,38119|0,38200|0) - Pretty much the same issue, but the 1/4 scratch jacks just makes it brutal. Why not place them in other columns instead of cramping them up in one column so it's a lot more comfortable to play through?
Same suggestion for these patterns:
01:01:103 (61103|0,61103|3,61183|5,61183|0,61264|0,61264|3,61345|5,61345|0,61425|0) - fixed

00:41:748 (41748|1,41829|3,41909|1,41990|3) - Move these notes to other columns. It doesn't really make sense as to why the long 1|3|1|3 trill starts earlier when it should start when the snares come in at 00:42:070 - to help put further emphasis on those drum snares.fixed

01:03:361 (63361|0,63683|0) - It's pretty inconsistent if you mapped scratch jacks on the same vocals but not have them present here. Can you explain why it's like that?fixed

01:30:054 (90054|7) - Same suggestion on your Hyper difficulty. A ghost note such as this one should be removed for the same reason.fixed

01:31:103 (91103|0) - Did you mean to map a scratch here? Again, no crash / vocal / notable sound to justify why that note exists, so it's best to remove that.fixed

Before you reply to this mod, there's just one more thing to note.

Unlike BMS, osu! still doesn't fully support the dual scratch mechanic that you can use on BMS with a turntable. Unfortunately, osu! isn't IIDX or any game that primarily uses a turntable, and there are not many turntable players that play this game since the majority of the player base uses a keyboard. You'll have to conform to the system and the current game mechanics as it is now.
As you may have known, a bug in the game shouldn't affect the map's rankability, but you'll have to accept that you don't map very uncomfortably when you're trying to rank a map. Keep in mind that osu! is run by a community. There's a problem if a good amount of players don't feel comfortable about a pattern and have voiced their opinion about it in the map's thread.

Also, will the mappers please explain why they want to keep certain patterns the way they are? Justifying it based on an instrument or a sound that exists in the song is not enough to warrant why it's mapped that way. Bringing other rhythm games in the argument is not a valid point to explain those patterns, either. Those games are run under a different system, and it's not the same as this one, so that argument doesn't make any sense.

I hope this disqualification goes on smoothly from here. If there is any misconduct among users, further action will be taken. You've all been warned.

Once again, good luck.

Feerum wrote:

proper reply

[Emiria] wrote:

fixed and make some selfchanges

SanadaYukimura wrote:

Feerum wrote:

proper reply

[Emiria] wrote:

fixed and make some selfchanges

please, you know thats not enough

[Emiria] wrote:

no change thanks

stryver12 wrote:

biemote wrote:

thank you for scratching~

Start at 7:02

DE-CADE wrote:

all dq reason are replied with 'fixed' and if you need further bullshit i think it is really impossible to write paragraph of reason or maybe you can just fade away and doesn't give a shit about the post on this map.



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-Kamikaze- wrote:

I see no problems with the 8K diffs, isues pointed out in DQ post were fixed and I honestly really like them.
So well then, why not?

Re-qualified!

Shad0w1and wrote:

人类为什么不去互相伤害呢？
祝贺

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