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bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Orange showed as a better team against iG. Still surprising how iG isn't performing too well. I really should start following Chinese scene.


EDIT: So... I think I just saw an AM with BF, Manta, and Heart in 27 min
druidxd
170 posts
Joined May 2011
druidxd
Gotta love this cute Nevermore, so awesome drawings this guy has.
xsrsbsns
1,936 posts
Joined July 2010
xsrsbsns

Tetsu wrote:

Nice game from Alliance and TongFu but in the end...Hao wth were you thinking?...
Hiryuu_old
439 posts
Joined June 2011
Hiryuu_old
poor mufc
Crigget
1 post
Joined June 2012
Crigget
RIP MUFC
dNextGen
dNextGen
MUFC saving strats for TI3

i also wonder how do you guys got 100 cs in <10 minutes

i tried as hard as i can with jungle Naix and only topped at 100 cs in 15 minute-ish :?
Hiryuu_old
439 posts
Joined June 2011
Hiryuu_old

dNextGen wrote:

MUFC saving strats for TI3

i also wonder how do you guys got 100 cs in <10 minutes

i tried as hard as i can with jungle Naix and only topped at 100 cs in 15 minute-ish :?
Stack the creeps in the jungle and occasionally when you see an opportunity to go to a lane incase your teammates are missing or you are about to gank, you can grab a few extra creeps there, also helps. It also varies, depending on what creeps you get. Also it doesn't hurt to ask a supporter to stack some spots for you as well.
Pizzicato
2,739 posts
Joined February 2011
Pizzicato
gg [A]
Icyteru
535 posts
Joined August 2011
Icyteru
navi 10 games in a row!
dNextGen
dNextGen

ShinseinaTenshi wrote:

dNextGen wrote:

MUFC saving strats for TI3

i also wonder how do you guys got 100 cs in <10 minutes

i tried as hard as i can with jungle Naix and only topped at 100 cs in 15 minute-ish :?
Stack the creeps in the jungle and occasionally when you see an opportunity to go to a lane incase your teammates are missing or you are about to gank, you can grab a few extra creeps there, also helps. It also varies, depending on what creeps you get. Also it doesn't hurt to ask a supporter to stack some spots for you as well.
oh right stacking,thing is i play solo q where everyone is a carry

i hope the western gonna take #1 this year,pls no chinese team
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Tshemmp
and I keep betting on MUFC, the quotes are so hilarious
dNextGen
dNextGen
you better gime dem rares instead of betting on MUFC

my brain says they wont win a single game and my heart says the same aswell
Soulclenz
445 posts
Joined October 2009
Soulclenz

dNextGen wrote:

oh right stacking,thing is i play solo q where everyone is a carry

i hope the western gonna take #1 this year,pls no chinese team
Since you solo queue DNG, toss that dream of high CK/high GPM games out the window. It isn't just the carry who has to do well on last hits, but true support players need to tirelessly pull and stack and not steal last hits from you for a huge portion of the early game, you will never find that in solo pub Q's im afraid =(.
rzkadi
781 posts
Joined November 2012
rzkadi

Soulclenz wrote:

Since you solo queue DNG, toss that dream of high CK/high GPM games out the window. It isn't just the carry who has to do well on last hits, but true support players need to tirelessly pull and stack and not steal last hits from you for a huge portion of the early game, you will never find that in solo pub Q's im afraid =(.
for high CS it's nearly impossible in solo Q pub, but for high GPM you can still do that with gondar ganking build. it can be happened only when your enemy are noob as fuck tho
Soulclenz
445 posts
Joined October 2009
Soulclenz

rzkadi wrote:

Soulclenz wrote:

Since you solo queue DNG, toss that dream of high CK/high GPM games out the window. It isn't just the carry who has to do well on last hits, but true support players need to tirelessly pull and stack and not steal last hits from you for a huge portion of the early game, you will never find that in solo pub Q's im afraid =(.
for high CS it's nearly impossible in solo Q pub, but for high GPM you can still do that with gondar ganking build. it can be happened only when your enemy are noob as fuck tho
Well sure lol. I meant high GPM from farming creeps.
rzkadi
781 posts
Joined November 2012
rzkadi
if you pick alchemist and your luck is at peak, maybe you can :D
Icyteru
535 posts
Joined August 2011
Icyteru
I was playing support SD for Yifan from AU who was playing alch in an inhouse -cm.

He hit 1200gpm peak, and ended game with 1100gpm cause he wasted last few minutes. Can confirm good support makes a lot of difference.
Hiryuu_old
439 posts
Joined June 2011
Hiryuu_old
A good supporter always makes a very big difference :)

Get one of your buds to q with you together and try out a combination that could win the laning phase nicely and to be able to help the other lanes later on , that's usually the best thing to do if you want a duo top or bot. You'd at least have a person trustful to hear you out what to do etc.

When it comes to stacking, there is also the trick that, if you're good with basic micro you could double stack with the help of Helm of the Dominator item, you can control a creep, bring it to a jungle creep spawn, pull them in one spot with the creep in your control and the other spot with your hero and you've 2x stacked, that also works nicely in case you don't seem to have a nice supporter on the team or any at all for that matter. Also, as a recommendation from my own experience when you are in jungle and there isn't a supporter on the team and people are bitching about no wards constantly, if you do have the gold for it, get some wards yourself and place them in the jungle, the fact that 150 g spent on an area to see if they're coming for you, will save you a lot instead of no vision and being paranoid and you most likely will end up getting ganked and losing precious money + exp time.
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Tshemmp
The best thing about stacking is the moment after minutes of work when you can finally throw on your DK ulti or Batrider Firefly and get all this delicious gold and xp.

Or if you find an enemy stacked camp.
Pizzicato
2,739 posts
Joined February 2011
Pizzicato
just u ppl wait mufc will beat [A] even before the draft starts

Tshemmp wrote:

Or if you find an enemy stacked camp.
the glory of stealing stacks. feels good.
stole 4 ancient stacks from gyro on a -cm inhouse game

really boosted my farm and wasted their time
Icyteru
535 posts
Joined August 2011
Icyteru
Wards are counterintuitive for lane protection this meta because it gives you a false impression of being safe, when really, if the enemy is decent, they'll just smoke up.
Also why I hate PA, cause i play 90% from the minimap.
Magicphoenix
2,142 posts
Joined April 2010
Magicphoenix
GPM always depends.
On lane you can't get high GPM (that is, 700+) unless you stack camps or get them stacked.
If you solo queue and have solo lane, get quelling blade and start stacking creeps and make sure you cut paths with QB so creeps always have free path to the camps. Instead of static farming (keeping creep equilibrium, harassing hero out of lane etc) you sometimes just have to clear the creepwave ASAP and at the same time pull in the creeps so they transition to the neutral camp right as the enemy creepwave is cleared.
This is heavily dire-dependant but it's a general idea of how it should work, for Radiant you can just stack medium camps and pull them in normally after killing enemy creepwave.

If you play an ancient-killer carry, get HotD and start stacking ancients.
Never forget TPs for proper movement. If you play a carry with high killing potential, go kill heroes whenever you see a good pickoff and don't have to invest too much time into it. Best case scenario, catch out a hero who's pushing lane so you can farm creeps right after.
Of course, if you play Mirana you should more actively look for them than Anti-Mage or Spectre, but you still have to think if you'd win more by killing or more by farming.
Sometimes (or rather, most of the times) farming is better than killing or waiting for a teamfight to break out.
Never tp into losing teamfights where you know you won't be able to win it or have a chance of dying if you have to sacrifice farm for it.

The easiest heroes to practice high GPM-ing are Gyro & Drow Ranger.
Drow with 800+ GPM is really easy to do if you get the gist of her. If I have absolute freefarm on lane, I just buy HotD before any other item and start stacking ancients, with lvl 6 you can already farm them due to ulti. She's got massive damage as well so missing creeps is more seldom than other heroes.


tl;dr
The most important thing to get that high GPM running is having a proper rotation, never tp/walk(which is even worse) somewhere where you can't farm or/and kill.
Also, don't be lazy. Try to stack neutrals whenever you can, if you have Ancient-farmer, buy HotD and stack it up.
Quelling blade also proves as very useful as you can stack multiple camps with it




PS : If you can't get your teamm8s to buy wards, buy them yourself. It's better to lose 150 gold than 300+ & farm time.
PPS : If you have russians in your team, get dagon and shadow blade. Try to steal whatever you can and gtfo jungle farm
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rzkadi
781 posts
Joined November 2012
rzkadi
and also you cant count on ward for your vision forever. keep rotating,ganking, and stacking is the safest way to secure your gpm and xpm
Magicphoenix
2,142 posts
Joined April 2010
Magicphoenix
QB action

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Notice the trees that were cut. You can pull them (some only with boots) @x:52, get the next camp by x:54/55 and stack both at once.
Exploit every advantage your hero has. AM can for example stack up to 3 camps (see last screenshot) by Quelling Blading the trees of both medium-creeps.
Then get bottom medium creep @ x:52, upper medium by x:53/54 and blink to big camp @ x:55 to stack all at once.
Likewise, any AoE spell can get the same job done (unless it's Mud Fuckers), e.g. Alchemist Spray or Gyrocopter (flak cannon both mediums and go straight to big camp to stack it [Not that necessary though, since you have HotD to stack ancients hopefully]) etc.
Just try to exploit every hero advantage that it can give you


PS : Best method for routinizing it - don't give a fuck about a game. Pick carry and just focus on practicing that one method. If you throw it, good job. You learned a new way to increase your GPM. If you can avoid it though, you probably should :D
rzkadi
781 posts
Joined November 2012
rzkadi
thx for the stacking tutor dude. and also i cant see the trees that were cut in 4th image
Magicphoenix
2,142 posts
Joined April 2010
Magicphoenix

rzkadi wrote:

thx for the stacking tutor dude. and also i cant see the trees that were cut in 4th image
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Magicphoenix
2,142 posts
Joined April 2010
Magicphoenix
Also, those who are still struggling with creep equilibirum, try to prioritize denying over last hitting.
If both are last hittable at once though, get the money of course.
Keep in mind though that, when your support is stacking and/or pulling, the equilibrium will eventually land at the enemy tower bit by bit, so don't panic and think you've gone wrong somewhere. If you have the feeling you did your best keeping the equi., it's probably alright.

+ If you're last hitting under the tower, always quickly click on the 1 creep that's being attacked and calculate for yourself if you have to hit it once before last hit or if you can just let tower hit it until you can last it.
The tower deals ~95 damage and as the average carry you should have 55-60 dmg. Meaning that if the creep's got 255 hp, you should probably hit it once to get the last hit. If the creep's got 288 hp, you should just wait for the 3 hits to come from the tower. Keep in mind that sometimes the creep regenerates by ~6 hp at times so just keep the camera on the creep a bit longer to see if he regens. This does not happen too often though, but you never know. It mightve been the 50 gold to buy you boots for your escape.

If you got Faceless Void + Quelling Blade, please slap yourself for every last hit you don't get when freefarming
dNextGen
dNextGen
its hard to farm with void

he is squishy as hell and stuff,i always got the hard lane whenever i play void because #Seadoto
Tetsu_old
314 posts
Joined October 2011
Tetsu_old
Lawl.
dNextGen
dNextGen


i did this one with Naix and it work wonders

still stuck at 608 gpm though,clearly naix not the best farmer

Tetsu wrote:

Lawl.
lol TC is the only dude with a decent face
Pizzicato
2,739 posts
Joined February 2011
Pizzicato
i'll never be a good farmer. my peak is 528 gpm :l
Soulclenz
445 posts
Joined October 2009
Soulclenz

dNextGen wrote:

its hard to farm with void

he is squishy as hell and stuff,i always got the hard lane whenever i play void because #Seadoto
you should stop playing Void and start playing Spectre =p.

With her zoom zoom build (phase boots, drums and yasha) you can really focus on creep killing, and also not leave your team high and dry should a fight break out. Her dagger will let you effortlessly stack camps, escape/chase if heroes are coming for you, and the move speed +tree/cliff walking is great for quickly getting around the jungle and lanes.

I have been practising the living hell out of this build in solo pubs and with my team and I definitely recommend it. Although i am slightly biased since i just love spectre.
Magicphoenix
2,142 posts
Joined April 2010
Magicphoenix
My Spectre build :
PMS
Phase
Magic Wand
Drums
Vit Booster
Radiance/diffu (+ manta)
HoT/situational luxuries

pretty strong stuff if u ask me
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dNextGen
dNextGen

Soulclenz wrote:

you should stop playing Void and start playing Spectre =p.

With her zoom zoom build (phase boots, drums and yasha) you can really focus on creep killing, and also not leave your team high and dry should a fight break out. Her dagger will let you effortlessly stack camps, escape/chase if heroes are coming for you, and the move speed +tree/cliff walking is great for quickly getting around the jungle and lanes.

I have been practising the living hell out of this build in solo pubs and with my team and I definitely recommend it. Although i am slightly biased since i just love spectre.
http://dotabuff.com/players/83562211/records

yeah Spectre is good for Asisst hero

i might play her again when i got the Blade from the TI3 chest

Magicphoenix wrote:

My Spectre build :
PMS
Phase
Magic Wand
Drums
Vit Booster
Radiance/diffu (+ manta)
HoT/situational luxuries

pretty strong stuff if u ask me
people still buuild Radiance on Spectre ?

i thot it was outdated
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Magicphoenix
2,142 posts
Joined April 2010
Magicphoenix
The difference is that you don't go it first item anymore so you actually have midgame potential.
Radiance also has more dmg since the new patch so it's not too 'fing bad.
Also, with the Spectre buff (the illusions still stay even after Spectre tps in) it's a lot lot more effective.
Not to forget the farming ability and damage that is never bad for you.
Soulclenz
445 posts
Joined October 2009
Soulclenz
Yeah radiance works still if you can get it in time. I can't recall the last time I personally have ever built a radiance though.

My build is similar to Magic's except I opt the more risky build and go;
Phase
Wand
Drums
Yasha
Diffusal
Manta

Depending on the opposing team, I will either build an AC, Bfly, daed or MKB. I just don't see a need for high hp, but this is my personal preference.
dNextGen
dNextGen
lol i was a fgt i build Tread on Spectre

what about Skill build ? i max dagger 1st because its good for Kill securing

i still dont know how to farm fast without going to stay in the jungle though,so i only play carry heroes such Weaver/PA

might be weird but PA aint that farm dependant in my opinion,Phase and Battlefury alone is enough to finish the game fast
Magicphoenix
2,142 posts
Joined April 2010
Magicphoenix
When I play PA :
Go to lane.
Farm.
Rotate lane.
Farm.
Farm Ancient stack.
Rotate lane.
Farm.
End game.

Spectre skill build :
1 Dagger
2 Desolate
3 Dagger
-> max Dagger by 7
-> max Desolate
-> max Disperson
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Soulclenz
445 posts
Joined October 2009
Soulclenz

dNextGen wrote:

lol i was a fgt i build Tread on Spectre

what about Skill build ? i max dagger 1st because its good for Kill securing

i still dont know how to farm fast without going to stay in the jungle though,so i only play carry heroes such Weaver/PA

might be weird but PA aint that farm dependant in my opinion,Phase and Battlefury alone is enough to finish the game fast
My skill build on spectre is Q,W,Q,W,Q,R,Q,W,W,E,R,E,E,E and then stats and last point in R of course.

It's true, PA is deadly even without much farm but you of course are insanely easy to kill without it. I'm one of those odd players that very rarely if ever gets a bfury, on PA i just bypass it for the yasha and BKB so i have an easier time staying alive, Coupe De Grace does most of the work yes, but having more farm will just push that number higher and higher (obviously).
rzkadi
781 posts
Joined November 2012
rzkadi
when i was playing spectre i never take desolate on early game, and i prefer more tanky build on spec because i love to rush in when the clash happen.

my skill build on spectre is Q,E,Q,E,Q,R,Q,E,E,W,R,W,W,W,stats point,R.

for my item build it's not much differ from clenz and phoenix.

-phase boots(core items)
-midas(situational)
-yasha(core items)
-blade mail(core items)
-bkb (situational)
-manta/sangyash(situational)
-diffu(situational)
-HoT(core items)
-Radiance/butterfly (depends on situation)

radiance/butterfly is a must, because this item is my main damage source of this build
for midas you can go by this if you rarely being targeted and got free farm all the way, its obviously can provide some decent gold and exp too
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