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Ishida Youko - Towa no Hana (TV Size)

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nante
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 11 grudnia 2010 at 09:36:18

Artist: Ishida Youko
Title: Towa no Hana (TV Size)
Source: Ai Yori Aoshi
Tags: dksslqj
BPM: 82
Filesize: 9894kb
Play Time: 01:22
Difficulties Available:
  1. Dk's Insane (4,88 stars, 186 notes)
  2. Easy (1,36 stars, 82 notes)
  3. Hard (4,37 stars, 177 notes)
  4. Normal (2 stars, 85 notes)
Download: Ishida Youko - Towa no Hana (TV Size)
Download: Ishida Youko - Towa no Hana (TV Size) (no video)
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3rd beatmap

Thanks for dksslqj for his awesome insane difficulty!
Lanttu
Timing feels right to me, at least. :3

[Hard]
00:23:999 (4) - Three grids right
00:29:304 (6) - Maybe new combo here?
I really don't like how big the distance snap suddenly gets at the chorus part. ;_;
01:18:697 (1,2,3) - Maybe move this combo so that 3 is centered? :3
01:23:087 (1,2,3,4) - This also would look nice when centered
01:25:282 (1) - Add the same hitsound like in normal and easy?

[Normal]
00:30:036 (6,8) - Why not just move these to the same spot?
01:23:453 (4) - End this at the next yellow (1/8) tick?

[Easy]
01:24:185 (3) - I think that hitsound doesn't fit here since it's in the end of the spinner also. >:

Nice work, starred~ ^^
Topic Starter
nante

Lanttu wrote:

Timing feels right to me, at least. :3

[Hard]
00:23:999 (4) - Three grids right - the spacing is right(?)
00:29:304 (6) - Maybe new combo here? - done
I really don't like how big the distance snap suddenly gets at the chorus part. ;_; If not that, the difficulty would be too easy I think. I'll change it if more ppl complain.
01:18:697 (1,2,3) - Maybe move this combo so that 3 is centered? :3 - done
01:23:087 (1,2,3,4) - This also would look nice when centered - done
01:25:282 (1) - Add the same hitsound like in normal and easy? - done

[Normal]
00:30:036 (6,8) - Why not just move these to the same spot?
01:23:453 (4) - End this at the next yellow (1/8) tick?
all done

[Easy]
01:24:185 (3) - I think that hitsound doesn't fit here since it's in the end of the spinner also. >:
there is nice backing sound in mp3, so I'll leave it for now. I've silenced finish a little on a spinner.

Nice work, starred~ ^^
thank you for the mod and the star!
Nakagawa-Kanon
Topic Starter
nante

dksslqj wrote:

finish
Wow, thanks. It's awesome, really!
lovhin456
Hi ~

General;
- Everthing is fine ...
- Such a slow song ... :I
- Check kiai time, it has to start and end on a note

Easy;
- 00:34:426 >> delete this note, it isn't following anything.
- 00:57:476 >> ^
- 01:00:403 >> ^
- 01:12:111 >> ^
- 01:16:136 (1,2,3,4,5) >> ehh, too many notes in a row for an easy, maybe replace (3,4,5) with a slider
- 01:25:648 >> silence the whole spinner

Normal;
- Silence the last spinner

Hard;
- Silence the last spinner

Dk' Insane;
- Offset is different from the other diffs.

+ Star ~
AngelHoney
All

Tags are not the same on all difficulties

Dk's Insane

offset is different from others

nice song nice map :3
wmfchris
[Insane]
0:15:217 (5,1,2,3,4) Maybe a even spacing among the ending of (5) and (1,2,3,4)?
0:33:877 (8) up 1 grid
0:52:902 (3~13) gradually louder the hitsound?

[hard]
0:11:377 (1) left+down 1 grid?
0:27:475 (1,2,3) uneven spacing
0:39:000 (2,3,4) ^
0:46:317 (2,3) left 1 grid

star~
Topic Starter
nante
Thank you for your modding. I've fixed all my diffs. I'm leaving insane for Dk.
Nakagawa-Kanon
James2250
You need a hitcircle overlay and approach circle in folder (from the template skin should be fine)
Have all the spinners at the end, end at the same place (on your difficulties) if possible

Easy:
OD/HP/AR + 1
00:43:207 (1) - you might want to make this 1 long slider with no repeats just to be nicer on beginners
00:46:134 (1) - ^
00:48:329 (3) - ^
00:57:842 (3) - move down to make the line straight
01:24:185 (3) - this sounds really off, I'm not sure if it is the timing as the note before it sounds fine, but move 1/6 later for now (and shorten by 1/6)

Normal:
looks good

Hard:
OD -1/ -2
map looks fine, I don't think the spacing for the kiai time is too bad

Dk's Insane:
OD -1 in my opinion, too slow song for that high
looks good

*star*
Topic Starter
nante

James2250 wrote:

You need a hitcircle overlay and approach circle in folder (from the template skin should be fine)
Have all the spinners at the end, end at the same place (on your difficulties) if possible

Easy:
OD/HP/AR + 1
00:43:207 (1) - you might want to make this 1 long slider with no repeats just to be nicer on beginners
00:46:134 (1) - ^
00:48:329 (3) - ^
00:57:842 (3) - move down to make the line straight
01:24:185 (3) - this sounds really off, I'm not sure if it is the timing as the note before it sounds fine, but move 1/6 later for now (and shorten by 1/6)

Normal:
looks good

Hard:
OD -1/ -2
map looks fine, I don't think the spacing for the kiai time is too bad

Dk's Insane:
OD -1 in my opinion, too slow song for that high
looks good

*star*
Huuge thanks for the mod. I'll do a standard sumbition for now, but I'll do a full one, to add hitcircle overlay and approach circle, in a few hours.
rEdo
YAY FAILMOD INCOMING!
i'm going to write this post in polish (except dk's diff), so don't complain :3


[Easy]
0:10:279 (1) - wyrzuć nowe combo
0:17:596 (4) - wzorując się na jednym z poprzednich sliderów, ułóż tego w wąską literkę U, powinno o wiele lepiej wyglądać
0:21:987 (1) - wyrzuć nowe combo
0:35:158 (1) - wyrzuć

0:54:915 (x) - przenieś tą Timing Section o 1/1 dalej, tj. 0:55:647. to powtarza się w każdym diffie

rozpiska, jak wg. mnie powinny być ułożone comba, oczywiście zgadzać się ze mną nie musisz w tej kwestii (tak samo jak i w innych :p) (w danym momencie nowe combo):
SPOILER
0:08:815;
0:11:742;
0:14:669;
0:17:596;
0:20:523;
0:23:450;
0:26:377;
0:29:304;
0:32:321;
0:35:158;
0:38:085;
0:41:744;
0:44:671;
0:47:598;
0:49:793;
0:52:720;
0:55:647;
0:58:574;
1:01:501;
1:04:428;
1:07:355;
1:09:550;
1:13:209;
1:16:136;
1:19:063;
1:21:990.
podobną będziesz dostawać do każdego diffa, bo jak dla mnie średnio ułożone są te comba
(jak Kuba Bogu, tak Bóg Kubie ;) )

[Normal]

0:11:377 - 0:12:291 (1, 2) - przesuń o jedną kratkę w lewo
0:30:768 - 0:31:499 (2, 3) - dwójkę ustawiłbym gdzieś nad jedynką i nieco w prawo, zaś trójkę na poprzednim miejscu dwójki
0:32:231 (1) - jedna kratka w lewo
0:43:407 (3) - jako, że nie jestem fanem randomowych stacków, to radziłbym Ci ustawić to gdzieś na dole, pomiędzy poprzednim kółkiem a sliderem
0:54:915 (x) - tak jak w reszcie diffów; przenieś tą Timing Section o 1/1 dalej, tj. 0:55:647
1:17:547 (3) - drugiego sliderpointa (tego najbardziej po lewej) szarpnąłbym o cztery kratki w dół
no i spoilerbox:
SPOILER
0:08:815;
0:12:291;
0:14:669;
0:17:596;
0:20:523;
0:23:450;
0:26:377;
0:30:036;
0:32:231;
0:35:707;
0:38:085;
0:41:012;
0:43:939;
0:46:866;
0:54:915;
0:56:379;
0:58:574;
1:00:769;
1:04:428;
1:08:086;
1:10:282;
1:13:940;
1:16:867;
1:21:990.

[Hard]

0:36:987 (4) - niezbyt ciekawie ułożone, może pomiędzy 3 a 5, przenosząc nieco w prawo?
0:54:915 (x) - przenieś tą Timing Section o 1/1 dalej, tj. 0:55:647
1:24:185 (4) - randomowy slider, meh. postawiłbym zamiast niego zwykłą nutkę podczas 1:24:368, w miejscu, gdzie się kończy
SPOILER
0:08:815;
0:11:742;
0:14:669;
0:17:596;
0:20:523;
0:23:450;
0:26:377;
0:29:304;
0:32:231;
0:35:158;
0:39:000;
0:41:012;
0:43:939;
0:46:866;
0:49:793;
0:52:720;
0:54:915;
0:57:110;
0:58:574;
1:00:952;
1:02:233;
1:04:428;
1:06:623;
1:08:086;
1:09:550;
1:13:209;
1:16:136;
1:19:063;
1:23:087.

[Dk's Insane]
come ooon, OD -1?
0:26:743 (3) - move it to x:216 y:152 ? looks way better for me :)
0:46:134 (1) - delete this new combo and put it in at 0:46:866
0:49:427 (1) - similiar situation, just like before


[General]
ładnie zmapowane, drobne błędy jednak są, a hitcircle mi się podobają, bo nie są jakieś oczojebne, tylko ładne i czytelne :) gwiazdeczka poleciała, idę spać u.u
Zetsubou Sensei
Hey.

[Easy]
Seems fine.

[Nromal]
Seems fine.

[Hard]
Seems fine.

[DK's Insane]
Seems fine.

Good Map

~STAR
Topic Starter
nante
@ rEdo
Sry, nie chce mi się cytować i później kolorować. Zmieniłem kilka rzeczy(głównie przesunięcia), ale większość zostawiłem. Dzięki za moda i gwiazdke.

@Zetsubou Sensei
Thanks for the star.
Vanmonky
As your request.

Read this first for the icon explanation.
- [?] Asking for a second thought.
- [!] Fatal error. You have to fix this for sure.
- [No icon] Only a suggestion.

[General]
1. Are you sure you are going to put only the hitcircle alone? Why not put the approachcircle and hitcircle-overlay at once? Some players may use different skin with different approachcirlce and hitcircle-overlay which may be doesn't fit to your custom hitcircle.
2. Better silence the sliderslide.
3. The kiai time should start on 00:55:647.

[Easy]
-- Lower the volume of the hitsound.
-- Move the beat snap divisor to 1/4.
-- Ahh, looks like your combo pattern is a little distracted.

00:10:279 (1) - I prefer you remove the new combo.
00:17:596 (4) - Add new combo. [?]
00:21:987 (1) - I prefer you remove the new combo.
00:29:304 (4) - Add new combo. [?]
00:50:342 (2) - I'm afraid this note will be too hard for beginner players since this note is on blue tick. I suggest you to change (1), (2), and (3) become a slider with one repeat one blue tick.
00:57:842 (3,1) - Based on the combo pattern, the new cobmo should be swapped.
01:00:769 (4,1) - ^
01:25:648 (1) - Silence it. Make it stop like other diff.

[Normal]
00:21:987 (1) - Remove new combo. [?]
00:28:938 (5) - New combo.
00:41:012 (5) - ^
01:04:428 (5) - ^
01:25:282 (1) - Better silence it.

[Hard]
Overall, nice.

[Dk's Insane]
-- This diff's overmapped.
-- The combo patterns are great.

00:37:536 (7,8,9) - Overmapped.
00:43:207 (5,6) - ^
01:22:172 (1) - Better silence it.
Star.
Leorda
Wej

[General]
If you always use 2x BPM Adjustment. Try 168,00. If you don't want to use and want to use 2x BPM Adjustment, make sure you don't use the 2x BPM Adjustment in Easy diff and Normal diff

[Easy]
00:29:304 (4) - New combo?
00:49:793 (1,2,3) - This is makes me confusing, especially for new player. Try replace this into one slider
01:21:990 (1) - Ugly slider.....

[Normal]
*) Approach Rate -2?
*) Why you use 2x BPM Adjustment in all timing points??? Use 1x BPM Adjustment, it's not good for normal diff

01:25:282 (1) - Sound better if this end at 01:27:234 (use 1/6 Beat Snap Divisor)

[Hard]
01:07:355 (4) - Not stack perfectly with 01:06:989 (3)
01:08:635 (4) - Not stack perfectly with 01:09:184 (5)
01:24:185 (4) - This slider is make no sense. Delete this, and add note at 01:24:307 (use 1/6 Beat Snap Divisor)
01:25:282 (1) - End at 01:27:234?

[Dk's Insane]
Approach Rate -1, -2, or -3. It's veeery Insane and hard to read, I guess~

00:15:218 (5) - Move 1 grid right?
00:23:450 (1,2,3) - Like this? http://puu.sh/ezP

Nice song
STAR
Topic Starter
nante
Thanks for modding and stars. I fixed most of what you pointed.
Garven
As per your request:

[Timing]
Just set the BPM to 82.000.

[Skin]
You need a hitcircle overlay.

[Easy]
Soo sloooow. But fine.

[Normal]
Ugh, such a tiny increase in slider velocity. Still mega-slow. D:
00:15:767 (3,4,1) - And having such a tiny spacing set makes rhythms like this a little harder to discern visually. Try to space it out a tiny bit.
01:11:745 (5) - Maybe position this somewhere else so it isn't overlapping with the 3 slider?
00:54:915 - Ah, finally it's playing like a normal difficulty.

[Hard]
00:54:915 (1) - Okay, the 2x spacing here is going way beyond the hard difficulty range compared to the other difficulties. Maybe do 1.5x or something. This is way too much. It feels too fast even for the song itself. :/

[Dk's Insane]
OD 9. -_-
In general it felt fast compared to the song like the last part of Hard, but the map itself is pretty nice.

The easier diffs felt way too similarly slow and the harder diffs were just way too quick... Just didn't get a good feeling from the mapset for the song.
Gonzvlo
General:
  1. Add: "Hitcircleoverlay.png" & "Approachcircle.png" .Otherwise The hitcircle will mix with other skins

Easy:
  1. 00:15:767 (X) - Suggestion: Add a note here.
  2. 00:51:622 (2) - Place this somewhere else, Too hard for this kind of map.
  3. 00:56:379 (1) - Remove New Combo.
  4. 01:13:026 - What's the use of this timing point? I don't see the difference of this one with the last one.
  5. 01:13:392 - ^
  6. 01:14:489 - ^
  7. 01:14:855 - ^
  8. 01:27:478 - This timing point is not necessary, You may delete it.
Normal:
  1. Beat Snap Divisor: 1/4
  2. 00:56:379 (4) - Remove New Combo.
  3. 01:25:19 - Place this Timing Point here:01:25:099
  4. The last Timing Point is not necessary, You may delete it.
Hard:
  1. Your notes can't be placed using Beat Snap Divisor: 1/6, please change it to 1/4.
  2. 00:26:743 (X) - Add a note here.
  3. 00:26:926 (X) - ^
  4. 01:06:806 (2) - Suggestion: Place it somewhere else.
  5. 01:14:306 (5) - New Combo.
  6. 01:14:672 (1) - Remove New Combo.
  7. 01:24:307 (4) - Place this note here: 01:24:185

Dk's Insane:
  1. Overmapped but fine.
Wish conceded, Good Luck & Star.
Mafiamaster
Add a hitcircleoverlay and an approach circle.

[Easy]
01:24:307 (3) - Imo, this should be a note while the spinner: 01:25:648 (1) starts on 01:25:282 like in [Normal]

[Normal]
Move the HP Drain Rate, Overall Difficulty, and to the left 1 tick.
Lesjuh
Sorry for the delay, better late than never :')

Insane
End the last spinner one tick further on the timeline. (1/4)

Hard
I think the difficulty gap between the first half and the chorus is too large. I suggest you decrease the spacing in the chorus, also because its wider than in [Insane].
01:24:307 (4) - Snap this beat to the yellow tick left from it on the timeline. (Same as in [Normal])

Normal
01:25:282 (1) - End this spinner @ 01:27:112 (Same as in [Hard])

Easy
01:25:648 (1) - Same thing ^

Fix that, contact me again and I'll bubble it! :>
Topic Starter
nante
Hey, sorry for not replaying for all your modding before. I'm short on time last these so I can't spend it on osu too much. I fixed more important things that you pointed out, but mostly I didn't use your modding(no time to do a new spacing in new diff etc.).

So thank you for everyone who modded my map.
Lesjuh
Easy
01:24:364 (3) - Snap this slider to that yellow tick @ 01:24:273 and end it @ 01:25:279 ;)

Bubble'd!
James2250
Needs a hitcircle apporach circle and a hitcircle overlay in folder (template skin ones will be fine)
Mafia said it but was never fixed?

Popped until fixed~

quick mod while I am here

Easy:
00:36:620 (3) - move down to align with 1,2
00:56:376 (1,2,1) - align these too

Normal:
HP/OD/AR -1?
Map checks out

Hard:
00:55:462 (4,5) - would prefer if these were aligned more

Dk's Insane:
OD -1? (doesn't really fit the song)

Could prob nazi it more but maps are basically ok
Call me back after fixes and I will take a slightly more detailed look at it and rebubble~
Topic Starter
nante
Did you re-download it today? I did a full sumbition today with these in a folde(but maybe the uploading failed...).
Fixed other issues.
James2250

nante wrote:

Did you re-download it today? I did a full sumbition today with these in a folde(but maybe the uploading failed...).
Fixed other issues.
Yes I re-downloaded twice (and again just now)

Just asked mafia to double check, if you have it you didn't upload it~
Topic Starter
nante

James2250 wrote:

nante wrote:

Did you re-download it today? I did a full sumbition today with these in a folde(but maybe the uploading failed...).
Fixed other issues.
Yes I re-downloaded twice (and again just now)

Just asked mafia to double check, if you have it you didn't upload it~
awww, gonna do it tomorrow. seems that uploading really failed(I've got really screwed uploading >.>)
James2250
I apologize for the long wait

Maybe a bubble will make up for it? :D


(this is a rebubble so don't yell at me for giving too many bubbles, but will stop now anyway >_>)
Topic Starter
nante

James2250 wrote:

I apologize for the long wait

Maybe a bubble will make up for it? :D


(this is a rebubble so don't yell at me for giving too many bubbles, but will stop now anyway >_>)
It's not like I was mad or sonething ;) Thanks for the bubble.
Shiro
General
Fixed a problem of diffs not appearing when downloading the map.
Maybe lower the volume a bit ? Hitsounds seem to be really loud right now.

Easy
00:49:791 (1,2) - Unstack ?

Normal
The rhythms used seemed to be a bit hard for a Normal diff.
00:11:376 (1,2,3) - Do this: on the timeline ? It'll be a bit easier to play.
00:15:767 (3,4,1) - circle then repeat slider ? for the same reason
00:27:840 (3,4) - slider ? for the same reason
00:34:791 (1,2,3) - same as 00:11:376 - ?
00:46:864 (3,4) - Include (3) in the slider ? (making it a repeat slider) On top of making it a bit easier to play it will follow the lyrics better (since the singer holds (3) )
00:48:328 (5) - Make it symmetrical ?
00:50:340 (1,2) - Make them a single slider that starts at (1) and ends where (2) begins ? You've been following the lyrics pretty strictly so far, why did you add the note that ends (2) ?
00:58:571 (2,3,4) - Repeat slider ?
01:19:059 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Make them two repeat sliders, then a note, then add a note at 01:23:084 - ? It makes more sense to me.
like this

Hard
Reduce the OD by at least 2 ticks and the AR by one.
The sliders in the beginning are way too slow compared to the spacing and AR. It makes a huge contrast that makes that part of the diff feel as if the sliders and circles were being completely separated.
00:17:596 (6) - Make symmetrical ?
00:26:925 - that part feels blank, make a slider to link the patterns before and after it ?
00:38:449 - ^
00:40:096 (6,1) - These are hidden by the previous combo, move them away.

Dk's Insane
Overmapped, imo... Also reduce the OD
00:15:218 (5,1,2,3,4) - Move (2) and (3) so that the spacing is even.
00:27:474 (5,1) - This jump is way too sudden... And doesn't make sense according to the music.
00:37:535 (7,8,9) - Does this triple make sense ? :/
00:43:206 (5,6) - ^
00:45:401 (4,5,6) - ^
00:49:059 (8) - ^
01:00:035 (1,2,3,4) - ^
Make the diff end at the same time as the others ?
Topic Starter
nante

Odaril wrote:

General
Fixed a problem of diffs not appearing when downloading the map.
Maybe lower the volume a bit ? Hitsounds seem to be really loud right now.

Easy
00:49:791 (1,2) - Unstack ?

Normal
The rhythms used seemed to be a bit hard for a Normal diff.
00:11:376 (1,2,3) - Do this: on the timeline ? It'll be a bit easier to play.
00:15:767 (3,4,1) - circle then repeat slider ? for the same reason
00:27:840 (3,4) - slider ? for the same reason
00:34:791 (1,2,3) - same as 00:11:376 - ?
00:46:864 (3,4) - Include (3) in the slider ? (making it a repeat slider) On top of making it a bit easier to play it will follow the lyrics better (since the singer holds (3) )
00:48:328 (5) - Make it symmetrical ?
00:50:340 (1,2) - Make them a single slider that starts at (1) and ends where (2) begins ? You've been following the lyrics pretty strictly so far, why did you add the note that ends (2) ?
00:58:571 (2,3,4) - Repeat slider ?
01:19:059 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Make them two repeat sliders, then a note, then add a note at 01:23:084 - ? It makes more sense to me.
like this

Hard
Reduce the OD by at least 2 ticks and the AR by one.
The sliders in the beginning are way too slow compared to the spacing and AR. It makes a huge contrast that makes that part of the diff feel as if the sliders and circles were being completely separated.
00:17:596 (6) - Make symmetrical ?
00:26:925 - that part feels blank, make a slider to link the patterns before and after it ?
00:38:449 - ^
00:40:096 (6,1) - These are hidden by the previous combo, move them away.
Thanks, fixed some of it, not everything though.
lepidopodus
Easy
00:52:352 (4,5) - How about moving this one grid up?
00:56:376 (1) - How about removing new combo here?
01:05:157 (3,4) - How about moving this one grid left?

Normal
00:11:376 (1) - How about moving this one grid right?
01:08:084 (2) - How about moving the end of the slider one grid down?
01:12:474 (1) - How about this shape?
01:17:596 (5) - Similar with 01:12:474 (1).

Hard
- Maybe some mild jumps might work...
00:19:059 (8,9,10) - How about a slider from 00:19:059 to 00:19:791?
00:43:206 (8,9) - Move 9 to 00:43:571, or how abou a slider from 00:43:206 to 00:43:571?

Dk's Insane
00:15:218 (5,1,2,3,4) - Spacing of 5~1 and 3~4 is shorter than 1~2 and 2~3. Is it on purpose?
01:00:767 (3,4) - Maybe 1/2 long, non-return slider would be better?

Yeah, that's all. Maybe helpful, maybe not.
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