Xexxar wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/374793

EX EX diff is questionable.

If you want my reasons for why:

From a purely play perspective the high AR makes the map more difficult due to the excessively high and extremely difficult SV changes. With a lower AR the map would be a bit easier to read due to more time to react to the aforementioned SV changes.

The style of the map is absolutely atrocious from modern standards. You can give me the whole "artistic" mumbo jumbo but ultimately when I look at this map I just see laziness and clunky design. Literally how does this warrant any reason to being made this way? The pattern implies emphasis on the 1/4th blue tick due to how it it is awkwardly placed off stack, yet the music has the strong beat on the following slider, not the blue tick.

I just don't see how styles like this can be approved while other mappers are rejected. As a mapper it's a slap in the face when perfectly normal quality beatmaps are rejected from countless BNs simply out of laziness and yet this extremely unorthodox mapping gets qualified.

Xexxar wrote:

Xexxar wrote:

I don't like artistic mapping and HW sucks because my opinion is objective. Why don't Rabbit Jumping maps get ranked while this does? Clearly unfair.

Xexxar wrote:

Xexxar wrote:

From a purely play perspective the high AR makes the map more difficult due to the excessively high and extremely difficult SV changes. With a lower AR the map would be a bit easier to read due to more time to react to the aforementioned SV changes. I'm all for enforcing reading on lower ARs, but in this case, the faster AR makes the map more suitable for reading. Besides, there's a ridiculous amount of overlaps that are awfully ridiculous to play with any AR lower than 9.5 (and this comes from the guy who is always complaining about people not being able to read). This beatmap has niche styles of reading, which is why "classic" reading shouldn't be enforced here.

The style of the map is absolutely atrocious from modern standards. You can give me the whole "artistic" mumbo jumbo but ultimately when I look at this map I just see laziness and clunky design. That's completely subjective. I find the map very well-planed and the sliders are all there for a reason and it fits perfectly with the song. Don't give me the "I see laziness so that's how it is, my opinion is the right one and the mapper clearly doesn't know what they are doing" bullshit.

Literally how does this warrant any reason to being made this way? The pattern implies emphasis on the 1/4th blue tick due to how it it is awkwardly placed off stack, yet the music has the strong beat on the following slider, not the blue tick. It's not implying that the 1/4 blue tick is emphasized (and it actually is. there are different sections in the song that sound similar, yet there is no 1/4 there, so the 1/4 here is emphasized). It's pattern-based mapping that in this case makes the map easier to read (and come on, that pattern doesn't play any bad at all if you actually know how to play a beatmap like this. dopamine has much worse-looking stuff, and this isn't even a valid excuse to compare it to dopamine.. but you get my point)

I just don't see how styles like this can be approved while other mappers are rejected. As a mapper it's a slap in the face when perfectly normal quality beatmaps are rejected from countless BNs simply out of laziness and yet this extremely unorthodox mapping gets qualified. Stop. Giving. This. Excuse. These maps you mention are not ranked because they are simply of low quality or the mappers don't have enough will to get their maps modded. I say this as someone who really struggles to get their maps ranked because of lack of BN connections. The "why is this ranked while 'good' maps aren't?" excuse is completely meaningless. Rabbit Jumping maps aren't better than this. CRN maps aren't better than this. If you want to look at the game in an objective way (since you're trying to get this disqualified because you don't like the mapping style, as, in your opinion, it's "objectively worse") then you should have a good logic and actually not use that awful excuse.

Xexxar wrote:

From a purely play perspective the high AR makes the map more difficult due to the excessively high and extremely difficult SV changes. With a lower AR the map would be a bit easier to read due to more time to react to the aforementioned SV changes.

Blue Dragon wrote:

I'm all for enforcing reading on lower ARs, but in this case, the faster AR makes the map more suitable for reading. Besides, there's a ridiculous amount of overlaps that are awfully ridiculous to play with any AR lower than 9.5 (and this comes from the guy who is always complaining about people not being able to read). This beatmap has niche styles of reading, which is why "classic" reading shouldn't be enforced here.

Xexxar wrote:

The style of the map is absolutely atrocious from modern standards. You can give me the whole "artistic" mumbo jumbo but ultimately when I look at this map I just see laziness and clunky design.

Blue Dragon wrote:

That's completely subjective. I find the map very well-planed and the sliders are all there for a reason and it fits perfectly with the song. Don't give me the "I see laziness so that's how it is, my opinion is the right one and the mapper clearly doesn't know what they are doing" bullshit.

Xexxar wrote:

Literally how does this warrant any reason to being made this way? The pattern implies emphasis on the 1/4th blue tick due to how it it is awkwardly placed off stack, yet the music has the strong beat on the following slider, not the blue tick.

Blue Dragon wrote:

It's not implying that the 1/4 blue tick is emphasized (and it actually is. there are different sections in the song that sound similar, yet there is no 1/4 there, so the 1/4 here is emphasized). It's pattern-based mapping that in this case makes the map easier to read (and come on, that pattern doesn't play any bad at all if you actually know how to play a beatmap like this. dopamine has much worse-looking stuff, and this isn't even a valid excuse to compare it to dopamine.. but you get my point)

Xexxar wrote:

I just don't see how styles like this can be approved while other mappers are rejected. As a mapper it's a slap in the face when perfectly normal quality beatmaps are rejected from countless BNs simply out of laziness and yet this extremely unorthodox mapping gets qualified.

Blue Dragon wrote:

Stop. Giving. This. Excuse. These maps you mention are not ranked because they are simply of low quality or the mappers don't have enough will to get their maps modded. I say this as someone who really struggles to get their maps ranked because of lack of BN connections. The "why is this ranked while 'good' maps aren't?" excuse is completely meaningless. Rabbit Jumping maps aren't better than this. CRN maps aren't better than this. If you want to look at the game in an objective way (since you're trying to get this disqualified because you don't like the mapping style, as, in your opinion, it's "objectively worse") then you should have a good logic and actually not use that awful excuse.

Blue Dragon wrote:

"I don't like artistic mapping and HW sucks because my opinion is objective. Why don't Rabbit Jumping maps get ranked while this does? Clearly unfair."

Xexxar wrote:

Xexxar wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/374793

EX EX diff is questionable.

If you want my reasons for why:

From a purely play perspective the high AR makes the map more difficult due to the excessively high and extremely difficult SV changes. With a lower AR the map would be a bit easier to read due to more time to react to the aforementioned SV changes.

The style of the map is absolutely atrocious from modern standards. You can give me the whole "artistic" mumbo jumbo but ultimately when I look at this map I just see laziness and clunky design. Literally how does this warrant any reason to being made this way? The pattern implies emphasis on the 1/4th blue tick due to how it it is awkwardly placed off stack, yet the music has the strong beat on the following slider, not the blue tick.

I just don't see how styles like this can be approved while other mappers are rejected. As a mapper it's a slap in the face when perfectly normal quality beatmaps are rejected from countless BNs simply out of laziness and yet this extremely unorthodox mapping gets qualified.

JappyBabes wrote:

Purely artistic mapping should not be rankable. It's not a place for a mapper to be completely self-indulgent. HW hasn't produced a single good map. It is unfair that a repeat offender gets to do whatever they want when they have been actively harming mapping for the last two(?) years.

Natsu wrote:

Stella's Hyper :

01:37:468 (4) - shouldn't the slider tail be snapped to 1/4 like the rest of diffs, also the music is suggesting that, personally I don't see how 1/16 makes sense here.

Enjoy's Standard:

01:41:387 (1,2) - spacing

Edit:

-kevincela-'s EX:

01:04:000 (1) - offscreen
02:01:663 (5) - same
02:01:587 (4) - almooooooooost

Tatsumaki wrote:

unpopular opinion alert

aim/reading challenge maps should not immediately be shit on because "m-muh can't fc", that being said, I think AR should probably not be 10 for EX EX

Shizuku- wrote:

Ex Ex difficulty should not be lower than Ex tho.

Shizuku- wrote:

Ex Ex difficulty should not be lower than Ex tho.

Xexxar wrote:

As I've said before and I'll say again. The game is a game. Ultimately what is ranked doesn't matter as long as the community accepts and enjoys this map.

But, if this is allowed, STOP making double standards. A BN tells me that my justifications for my map are incorrect, yet I can reference other maps that do the same thing. I know the phrase is, "this is your map we're talking about, not someone else's", but if our standards are supposed to be consistent and fair for all mappers, then at some point there should be a line drawn of where a reference can be made to another map. It is absolutely unfair to allow for mapping of this level of unorthodoxy and ignore other mappers who are unique in their own way. If someone else makes a map of this exact same style, if this is ranked, they must be taken seriously and be allowed to rank their map as well.

My personal belief is that visual aesthetics are something that should be consistent across all ranked maps. What I mean by that, is that there should be less freedom on the artistic "style" of the map and standards should be more strictly enforced to create a more consistent game for all players. A "style" of all horizontal sliders does not capture the song. In no way does the map accentuate the song with this design, and therefore should stay unranked.

Am I saying that you shouldn't be allowed to express yourself? No, of course not. But I seriously believe that a level of consistency should be expected and REQUIRED for all mappers.

With that I ask, do you want more beatmaps to be like this?

Xexxar wrote:

But, if this is allowed, STOP making double standards. A BN tells me that my justifications for my map are incorrect, yet I can reference other maps that do the same thing. I know the phrase is, "this is your map we're talking about, not someone else's", but if our standards are supposed to be consistent and fair for all mappers, then at some point there should be a line drawn of where a reference can be made to another map. It is absolutely unfair to allow for mapping of this level of unorthodoxy and ignore other mappers who are unique in their own way. If someone else makes a map of this exact same style, if this is ranked, they must be taken seriously and be allowed to rank their map as well.

Xexxar wrote:

With that I ask, do you want more beatmaps to be like this?

KaedekaShizuru wrote:

Xexxar wrote:

With that I ask, do you want more beatmaps to be like this?

Yes, I want.
Do you want to see everyone's every maps are all same in different songs ?

KaedekaShizuru wrote:

Xexxar wrote:

With that I ask, do you want more beatmaps to be like this?

Yes, I want.
Do you want to see everyone's every maps are all same in different songs ?

Shizuku- wrote:

Xexxar wrote:

With that I ask, do you want more beatmaps to be like this?

For me, it's a yes.

Remember, plz enjoy game

Plot twist: I love drama

Lance wrote:

As for the map, playability should always be paramount for a game. Just because a small amount of people can play it properly does not mean it's necessarily well made or good for mapping as a form.