01:33 bananannian: heyo~
01:33 *bananannian is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/784270 SawanoHiroyuki[nZk]:Gemie - x.U. (ETIA. Hardcore Bootleg Remix) [Inner Oni]]
01:33 bananannian: nice map
01:35 Nishizumi: hey~
01:35 Nishizumi: thanks
01:36 Nishizumi: btw wanna m4m ?
01:37 bananannian: sure ^^
01:37 bananannian: haven't modded in a while
01:37 bananannian: I want to try out irc modding, do you have the time now?
01:37 Nishizumi: yes i have
01:38 bananannian: tbh I'm not sure whether I can make any meaningful input on the map lol
01:38 bananannian: very well done ^^
01:38 Nishizumi: no problem
01:38 Nishizumi: let's try ^^
01:40 bananannian: 00:23:078 (22) - personally I don't like using sliders as gap fillers
01:40 bananannian: captin1 made an osu standard version of the map
01:41 bananannian: with rhythm like this:
01:41 bananannian: http://puu.sh/mPw1R/e3a3b28e4a.jpg
01:42 Nishizumi: hmm
01:42 Nishizumi: i'm using slider to make a bit rest
01:42 bananannian: I know, that's why it's up to you
01:42 Nishizumi: since, slider is an object you wanna hit or not
01:43 Nishizumi: lol okay, i won't change XD
01:43 bananannian: the map's very intense, so just saying that it would not be out of place if you make that part into actual notes
01:44 bananannian: you know, for the backbeat
01:44 bananannian: like, here: 00:26:741 (14,15,16) -
01:44 Nishizumi: i know right
01:44 bananannian: I really like kdk more than anything else XD
01:44 Nishizumi: i feel bored with kdk in the section like that
01:45 bananannian: hardstyle music has repetitive rhythm
01:45 Nishizumi: idk why, just my feel says it
01:45 bananannian: like, the "kick snare kick snare kick snare kick snare"
01:45 Nishizumi: yes
01:45 Nishizumi: lol
01:45 Nishizumi: true
01:45 bananannian: just saying, if every single one of those triplets were kdk
01:46 bananannian: it'll be just as good
01:46 bananannian: to represent the repetition in the music
01:46 bananannian: 00:32:323 (42,43,44) - this part as well
01:46 bananannian: but ofc up to you :P
01:47 Nishizumi: yeah ikr, i just wanna make a little bit variety in my map
01:48 bananannian: true
01:48 Nishizumi: so i don't always give kdk to this part like this
01:48 Nishizumi: only hit kdk is too boring
01:48 Nishizumi: for me
01:49 bananannian: it would be a neat concept though I think
01:49 bananannian: perhaps have a "boring" part, then surprise the player with some technical stuff
01:50 bananannian: but anyways it doesn't really matter lol
01:50 bananannian: 00:39:997 (26) - how do you feel about kdd?
01:51 Nishizumi: hahaha thanks
01:51 Nishizumi: yeah ikr
01:52 Nishizumi: hmm any sound is kinda faint
01:52 Nishizumi: i'm not sure to change it to k
01:52 Nishizumi: :/
01:54 bananannian: ah well for me it sounds better
01:54 bananannian: I guess you're not mapping to the backbeat anymore
01:55 bananannian: 00:43:747 - what about joining this to make a 5-plet
01:55 bananannian: build up to the long stream
01:56 Nishizumi: yep, i'm following vocal sound at 00:39:997
01:57 Nishizumi: i think it's too early to make 5 notes stream
01:58 bananannian: really? I think it's a good place to put it
01:59 bananannian: but again, up to you ^^
01:59 bananannian: 00:45:230 (8,9,10,11) - what do you think about kddd instead of dddk
02:00 Nishizumi: yes, even kiai isn't started yet lol
02:00 bananannian: 00:54:474 (1) - no D? :P
02:01 Nishizumi: will consider 00:45:230 - kddd is seems good, but dddk too ;w; a bit confused
02:02 bananannian: I like kddd because k match like the synth in the background
02:02 bananannian: and also 00:45:404 (11,13,16,18) - being all k seems weird
02:02 bananannian: idk
02:03 Nishizumi: i agree
02:03 Nishizumi: but dddk is good for variety, so i consider it then =.=
02:04 Nishizumi: why ppl suggest me to give a finisher here 00:54:474 - ;w;
02:05 bananannian: well 00:53:078 (1,1) - sorts of anticipates another D at 00:54:474 (1) -
02:06 bananannian: classic electro buildup
02:07 bananannian: you know, it usually goes like this
02:07 bananannian: o___o_o_oooox
02:07 Nishizumi: lol. but i don't think. here isn't as hard as 00:53:078 - imo
02:08 Nishizumi: keep this for now
02:08 bananannian: consider it I think. Seems that many others like the D here more than d
02:08 Nishizumi: i wanna see, how much ppl will recommend on it
02:08 Nishizumi: yes i'll do
02:08 bananannian: yeah, see what other thinks
02:08 bananannian: kiai is fine
02:09 bananannian: except 01:10:084 - add k to match 01:09:387 (5) - if you like consistency
02:09 Nishizumi: yes i know :p
02:10 bananannian: and 01:17:846 (9,10,11,12,13) - seems weird because 01:18:718 and 01:19:241 - are k but 01:18:195 (13) - is d
02:10 Nishizumi: nope, the thing like that is only 03:24:038 -
02:10 Nishizumi: first kiai should be easier for me
02:10 bananannian: ah I see
02:11 Nishizumi: hmm i just see the structure here
02:12 Nishizumi: lol
02:12 bananannian: I think you like using ddddkdkkd :P
02:12 Nishizumi: you know it :p
02:14 bananannian: I think there's a bit of wasted potential for the part beginning at 01:19:590 -
02:14 bananannian: up to 01:30:753 -
02:14 bananannian: and also for 03:33:544 - to 03:44:706 -
02:14 bananannian: not sure how to explain it properly
02:14 bananannian: it might be a mapping style thing
02:15 bananannian: for me, I like to do a slow build up, increasing note density
02:16 Nishizumi: 01:19:590 - is a easiest in slow part
02:16 Nishizumi: then 01:30:753 - is a bit harder than before
02:16 Nishizumi: and the next is..
02:17 bananannian: no I mean even from 01:19:590 - to 01:30:753 -
02:17 Nishizumi: why about it
02:19 bananannian: you might not like this, but I would map it like so
02:19 bananannian: http://puu.sh/mPykK/e78b808509.jpg
02:20 bananannian: for me, having a big contrast, with lots of breathing room, after the kiai
02:20 bananannian: I like it
02:20 bananannian: and then you can slowly add back the original x__x__x_ pattern in
02:20 bananannian: just an idea I have, you might not like it
02:21 Nishizumi: ikr, no rest after density pattern
02:22 Nishizumi: but i think it's enough
02:22 Nishizumi: bpm is not too high
02:23 Nishizumi: and only 1/4 density pattern
02:23 Nishizumi: seems okay i guess
02:23 Nishizumi: btw, i wanna ask your opinion
02:23 bananannian: I like the build up tho ;_;
02:23 bananannian: sigh...
02:23 bananannian: yes?
02:24 Nishizumi: 01:19:416 - in your opinion, is this should be delete nor ?
02:25 Nishizumi: lol ;w;
02:25 bananannian: the SV change is a bit awkward, and I think it should either be not there
02:25 bananannian: or have the rest after 01:19:590 (1) - like I suggested and when the notes come back in, change SV there
02:25 bananannian: the note 01:19:590 (1) - itself is good I think
02:26 bananannian: perhaps maybe even this http://puu.sh/mPyLG/c530c73463.jpg
02:26 bananannian: dunno lol
02:26 Nishizumi: ok, so should i delete it
02:26 Nishizumi: lol i hate kd like it
02:26 Nishizumi: in slow part
02:27 bananannian: if you want to keep the SV change at 01:19:590 (1) - , I think delete is better
02:27 Nishizumi: i feel pity to the player (?)
02:27 bananannian: hehe ^^
02:27 bananannian: well the map's 7*
02:27 bananannian: so no pity from me :>
02:28 Nishizumi: but it slow part, pity for me :p
02:28 bananannian: 02:04:067 (47,48,49) - how about kkk?
02:29 Nishizumi: woah looks better
02:29 Nishizumi: changed
02:30 bananannian: kiai is great ^^
02:31 bananannian: 02:13:660 - what do you think about this: http://puu.sh/mPz34/f6cd0136c2.jpg
02:31 Nishizumi: thanks ^^
02:31 bananannian: man this map is really hard ._.
02:31 Nishizumi: where is it
02:32 Nishizumi: i dont get it
02:32 Nishizumi: on your pic
02:32 bananannian: at 02:13:660 -
02:32 bananannian: I changed the rhythm a bit too
02:32 bananannian: maybe you like it better, maybe not
02:33 Nishizumi: repating with 02:13:311 - ?
02:34 bananannian: could be, I just like that rhythm better
02:34 bananannian: 79-82 can be ddkk too
02:35 Nishizumi: hmm sorry i don't like repeating pattern, not my style :(
02:36 bananannian: if that quadruplet is ddkk, would you like it better?
02:36 bananannian: sorry, that rhythm you have just seems weird to me, idk
02:36 bananannian: like this: http://puu.sh/mPzmY/96922baeea.jpg
02:37 Nishizumi: change it to dddk instead
02:37 Nishizumi: ikr
02:37 bananannian: okay! :)
02:37 bananannian: 02:25:695 (23) - k?
02:38 Nishizumi: no, looks like (22)
02:38 Nishizumi: i guess
02:38 bananannian: sure.
02:39 bananannian: my idea was to match the synth
02:39 bananannian: 02:36:857 (6,7,8,9) - can be kddd like before
02:39 bananannian: in fact, if you don't change the last one, this can be changed for variety
02:40 Nishizumi: keep this one, for variety ofc :p
02:41 bananannian: 02:50:113 (8) - can be d to emphasize melody's lower pitch
02:41 bananannian: but you probably won't like the repeating pattern cos 02:50:985 (12,13,14,15) - is dkkd
02:41 bananannian: lol :P
02:42 Nishizumi: sure
02:42 Nishizumi: you know it
02:42 Nishizumi: loool
02:42 Nishizumi: :p
02:42 bananannian: 02:57:439 (19,20) - switch? match vocals
02:43 bananannian: 03:08:427 (1) - this again, consider D if many others say so
02:45 Nishizumi: no change 02:57:439 -, 02:57:613 - should be d because from here to 02:57:962 - is escalated
02:46 Nishizumi: yes, will consider it too
02:47 bananannian: 03:18:892 (60) - what do you think about moving this 1/2 forward and change to d?
02:47 bananannian: like this: http://puu.sh/mPA3V/2eb3a4722e.jpg
02:48 bananannian: also, 03:31:451 - this part is same as 01:17:497 -
02:49 Nishizumi: i know, kiai 1 and 3 are following the vocal tho
02:49 bananannian: which is fine, but if you want to vary it a bit then it's good too
02:50 bananannian: ah I see
02:50 Nishizumi: idk what variety looks good here
02:50 Nishizumi: :(
02:50 Nishizumi: so i just repeat them
02:51 bananannian: for 03:18:892 - how about like this: http://puu.sh/mPAeU/be1232e110.jpg
02:51 bananannian: 03:18:718 (59) - this note is actually the syllable in the vocals
02:52 bananannian: idk if you like ddkdk though
02:53 Nishizumi: i think i won't change, 03:18:892 - pitch is continuously to (61) i guess
02:53 bananannian: ok :)
02:53 bananannian: for 03:31:451 - yeah, it's hard to find another pattern to replace your ddddkdkkd :P
02:54 bananannian: ddkdkkdkk? dunno.
02:54 Nishizumi: toooooo hard
02:54 bananannian: 03:33:369 - again SV change looks awkward :\
02:55 Nishizumi: NAH
02:55 Nishizumi: ddkdkkdkd
02:55 bananannian: something like that, yeah :)
02:55 bananannian: if you don't want to change it, don't
02:55 Nishizumi: end of stream is changed to d, thanks a lot :)))
02:55 bananannian: you're the mapper, I'm just giving suggestions
02:56 Nishizumi: yeah, will reduce to 0.80x
02:56 Nishizumi: ikr
02:56 Nishizumi: inb4 it's 0.80x
02:56 bananannian: 03:53:078 - I think kkddkkdd or ddkkddkk is a better pulse
02:58 Nishizumi: change to kddkddkdkddkddkkd instead
02:58 Nishizumi: lol
02:59 bananannian: oh to match the synth? nice
02:59 Nishizumi: something like that
03:00 bananannian: 04:17:323 (12,13,14) - kkk again
03:01 Nishizumi: okok
03:01 bananannian: 04:30:230 (9) - maybe delete
03:01 bananannian: I like there to be a gap to emphasize 04:30:142 (8) -
03:01 bananannian: and also the plet is kinda long
03:02 bananannian: although that doesn't really matter as it's the last kiai :P
03:02 Nishizumi: 04:30:404 - delete here instead
03:02 Nishizumi: of there
03:02 bananannian: ah that works too
03:03 bananannian: 04:37:730 - idk if this plays well or not: http://puu.sh/mPB0Q/78d1a210bb.jpg
03:03 bananannian: just an idea I have
03:05 Nishizumi: following the synth then suddenly to drum ?
03:06 bananannian: ???
03:06 Nishizumi: feels bad for me
03:06 bananannian: 04:38:253 (7,10,14) - all follows synth
03:06 Nishizumi: hmm forget it, idk why
03:06 bananannian: ah if it plays bad then forget it
03:07 Nishizumi: lol
03:07 bananannian: keep in mind I can't play this lol
03:07 Nishizumi: start from 04:37:730 - i'm following the drum
03:07 Nishizumi: maybe my mapping style is kinda weird
03:08 Nishizumi: or really weird (?) =.= but i love it somehow
03:08 bananannian: no it's not weird at all :)
03:08 bananannian: how about this: http://puu.sh/mPBl0/5d9ec161a8.jpg
03:09 Nishizumi: forget about my mapping style lol
03:10 Nishizumi: seems better
03:10 Nishizumi: but i won't remove clap on (4)
03:10 Nishizumi: so ddkkddkkdd
03:11 bananannian: ah, I removed the k so that the density of k increases throughout that stream
03:11 bananannian: ddkkddkk works well too though
03:11 bananannian: finally at the end ^^
03:12 bananannian: 04:40:869 - you've kept a simple rhythm here
03:12 Nishizumi: lol
03:12 Nishizumi: is it done ?
03:12 bananannian: but somehow
03:12 bananannian: I think having it like this: http://puu.sh/mPBBJ/d7730f73c8.jpg
03:13 bananannian: offbeat rhythm, sounds better
03:13 bananannian: same goes for 04:44:009 (15,16,17,18,19,20) -
03:13 Nishizumi: lol i see
03:13 bananannian: yeah, it's just that one spot
03:13 bananannian: then I'm done! XD
03:14 bananannian: sorry for bothering you for so long
03:14 Nishizumi: but i'd like to emphasize the kick
03:14 Nishizumi: no problem
03:14 Nishizumi: where's your map
03:14 Nishizumi: thanks a lot for your mod
03:14 bananannian: oh, I like your volume control too ;)
03:15 bananannian: and offset seems fine
03:15 bananannian: I didn't check it with a program though
03:15 Nishizumi: lol big thanks for your praise :))
03:16 bananannian: eh, can I keep a ticket?
03:16 Nishizumi: where's your map, maybe i can help you
03:16 Nishizumi: ofc
03:16 bananannian: I'm lazy, so haven't replied to the mods yet
03:16 Nishizumi: just tell me via pm
03:17 Nishizumi: lol
03:17 bananannian: oh hang on perhaps you can take a look at this:
03:17 *bananannian is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/881744 FELT - Lost My Way]
03:17 Nishizumi: ok, will mod it later
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so i just put it to 2nd and 4th kiais 
>> Questionable imo.
>>> Needs to improve some. (Rhythm is not good , plays or sounds weird)