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når det kommer til maps. hva er star ratinga? gjennomsnittlig liksom?
2,8 stars :^)Natsu Dragion wrote:
når det kommer til maps. hva er star ratinga? gjennomsnittlig liksom?
Det blir forskjellige star ratings utifra om de er mode specific eller ikke. Vi har ikke snakket noe særlig om vanskelighetsgrad enda så det er vanskelig å si før 19. september.Natsu Dragion wrote:
når det kommer til maps. hva er star ratinga? gjennomsnittlig liksom?
Star ratings vil også naturligvis øke etter hvilken runde i turneringa det er.
Selv om jeg ikke kan si noe om årets star ratings enda, kan jeg dele fjorårets mappool for å gi en idé.
Når det er sagt tror jeg vi kommer til å sikte på litt vanskeligere maps siden taiko og mania får egne maps.
Det jeg tenker for CtB hværtfall.Kiwi Stick wrote:
Det blir forskjellige star ratings utifra om de er mode specific eller ikke. Vi har ikke snakket noe særlig om vanskelighetsgrad enda så det er vanskelig å si før 19. september.Natsu Dragion wrote:
når det kommer til maps. hva er star ratinga? gjennomsnittlig liksom?
Star ratings vil også naturligvis øke etter hvilken runde i turneringa det er.
Selv om jeg ikke kan si noe om årets star ratings enda, kan jeg dele fjorårets mappool for å gi en idé.
Når det er sagt tror jeg vi kommer til å sikte på litt vanskeligere maps siden taiko og mania får egne maps.
Starter med Salad diffs, og øker til Overdose/Deluge mot finalen.
Det spørs også på hvem som kommer til finalen.
Altså, med Salad diff mener jeg 2* elns. Divine kommer til og gi meg noen maps, som jeg velger til mappoolet. BLir converted først, men ctb specific mot finalen.
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As Kiwi and Razor said. Easier at the start harder later on. The mappool will probebly expand to include CtB specific maps when we get into quarter/semi finals (so no autoconverts at all. We will not include any unranked maps in the mappool either.
I can guess that the starting mappool will be 2-4 star maps, but can't guarante anything.
I can guess that the starting mappool will be 2-4 star maps, but can't guarante anything.
Someone needs a teammate? :^)
STD: 3,6k 21k plays. Main mode.
CTB: 11k 1.4k plays (Been 7k but decayed)
Taiko: 6k 1,7k plays (Been sub 5k but decayed)
Mania: 43k 500 plays, best mania player :^)
STD: 3,6k 21k plays. Main mode.
CTB: 11k 1.4k plays (Been 7k but decayed)
Taiko: 6k 1,7k plays (Been sub 5k but decayed)
Mania: 43k 500 plays, best mania player :^)
greia med at det er 4-6 stjernes sanger på alle game modes, men når det kommer til mania er det beste dere kan få til 3.06?! er det noen vits i ta med mania, når sanga er så enkle at alle kan ss dem?
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That is a fair point. the idea was to design each diffrent mode to the avrage skill of the players involved. but as we were sevral working on the mappool the results differs. I would agree that we should add more difficult maps in mania. But im not the one to make the final ruling there. That has to be KiwiNatsu Dragion wrote:
greia med at det er 4-6 stjernes sanger på alle game modes, men når det kommer til mania er det beste dere kan få til 3.06?! er det noen vits i ta med mania, når sanga er så enkle at alle kan ss dem?
Thank you for mappool feedback. I am not much of a mania player myself so I appreciate it. I will see if I can't anything more fitting. ChillaxNatsu Dragion wrote:
greia med at det er 4-6 stjernes sanger på alle game modes, men når det kommer til mania er det beste dere kan få til 3.06?! er det noen vits i ta med mania, når sanga er så enkle at alle kan ss dem?
ctb pool going from platter/salad > Overdose > Harder overdose
Maybe add some more variety? :s
Salad/platter > Rain/easy overdose (or hard rain) > overdose/hard overdose
Platter/rain > easy overdose/overdose > hard overdose
Platter/rain > hard rain/easy overdose (or just overdose) > overdose/hard overdose
Feels a bit wierd having really easy songs at first and then going that "difficult". A player who can barely fc platter/salad will absolutely not be able to contest the later stages
Maybe add some more variety? :s
Salad/platter > Rain/easy overdose (or hard rain) > overdose/hard overdose
Platter/rain > easy overdose/overdose > hard overdose
Platter/rain > hard rain/easy overdose (or just overdose) > overdose/hard overdose
Feels a bit wierd having really easy songs at first and then going that "difficult". A player who can barely fc platter/salad will absolutely not be able to contest the later stages
I like the platter/salad 2-3 stars in round 1,2,3 then the tiebreaker is a 4,78 star rain. :^) Nice TiebreakerSetomi wrote:
ctb pool going from platter/salad > Overdose > Harder overdose
Maybe add some more variety? :s
Salad/platter > Rain/easy overdose (or hard rain) > overdose/hard overdose
Platter/rain > easy overdose/overdose > hard overdose
Platter/rain > hard rain/easy overdose (or just overdose) > overdose/hard overdose
Feels a bit wierd having really easy songs at first and then going that "difficult" a player who can barely fc platter/salad will absolutely not be able to contest the later stages
Closet otaku Taiko Oni freemod and Yoru naku usagi Muzukashii tiebreaker? Burde ikke disse to switche plass? 
I agree, there should be a middle stage, and the final ones shouldn't even be that hard. I don't pick the ctb maps though.Setomi wrote:
ctb pool going from platter/salad > Overdose > Harder overdose
Maybe add some more variety? :s
Salad/platter > Rain/easy overdose (or hard rain) > overdose/hard overdose
Platter/rain > easy overdose/overdose > hard overdose
Platter/rain > hard rain/easy overdose (or just overdose) > overdose/hard overdose
Feels a bit wierd having really easy songs at first and then going that "difficult". A player who can barely fc platter/salad will absolutely not be able to contest the later stages
Why? The Muzu is rounds 1, 2 and 3 tiebreaker, while Closet Otaku is for the two best teams. In my mind this makes perfect sense.Jona wrote:
Closet otaku Taiko Oni freemod and Yoru naku usagi Muzukashii tiebreaker? Burde ikke disse to switche plass?
How about now?AzD wrote:
Rip mania mappool xD
My bad, misunderstood the map-pool systemKiwi Stick wrote:
Why? The Muzu is rounds 1, 2 and 3 tiebreaker, while Closet Otaku is for the two best teams. In my mind this makes perfect sense.
jeg har 2,7k pp taiko og 5,1k pp ctb også synes jeg det blir lettere å passe/fc taiko mappolet x) #drøytCTBmappol
ville likt mer hard < insane < extra "cirka" i oppbygging på alle gamemods
ville likt mer hard < insane < extra "cirka" i oppbygging på alle gamemods
Topic Starter
New CtB mappool out now.
Explanation of my thought process:
I was looking for something that could challenge at each level of play (based on average skill lvl at the different rounds). This is the result. I wont claim its perfect, but i hope its good enough. As always, feedback is appreciated.
I was looking for something that could challenge at each level of play (based on average skill lvl at the different rounds). This is the result. I wont claim its perfect, but i hope its good enough. As always, feedback is appreciated.
I guess the map pool is better now, I'd recommend switching one of the platters with a easy/standard rain
Now that it's only 3 weeks left, I feel like there should be an announcement of some sort where you also release the schedule.
Also, have you gotten the osu!tourney yet?
Also, have you gotten the osu!tourney yet?
The mappool is still sh!t. Sorry, but it's true. Standard, Taiko is too high diff in comparison to Mania and CtB.
Round one star rating for all modes:
Standard - Nomod : 4.45*
Standard - Hidden : 4,30*
Standard - Hard Rock : 2,86*
Standard - DT : 2,75*
Standard - Free mod: 3,97*
Taiko - Free mod: 2,81*
Catch the Beat - Free mod: 2,12*
Mania 4k - Free mod: 1,93*
Mania 7k - Free mod: 1,57*
Why is there such a big gap in star rating? Shouldn't it be almost equal throughout the modes?
Round one star rating for all modes:
Standard - Nomod : 4.45*
Standard - Hidden : 4,30*
Standard - Hard Rock : 2,86*
Standard - DT : 2,75*
Standard - Free mod: 3,97*
Taiko - Free mod: 2,81*
Catch the Beat - Free mod: 2,12*
Mania 4k - Free mod: 1,93*
Mania 7k - Free mod: 1,57*
Why is there such a big gap in star rating? Shouldn't it be almost equal throughout the modes?
Truth of the matter is that the majority of players in this tournament can only play 2 modes at most on a decent level. Most of the players know how to play std, but barely anyone can play the others. This mappool is shitty in that sense, I agree, but it would be boring to watch a team fail every other map because they can't play the game mode accordingly.
Basically, I wanted to make sure each map is passable for everyone in the first rounds. Then again, the maps may be too easy on the semi and final stage.
And just to put it out there: As far as I know, there are no player in Skandi who mainly plays "all-modes". Unlike other tournaments that focus on one specific mode and lets the players who mainly plays that mode compete with eachother, this tournament doesn't really have a specific group of players to appeal to. I hope people see that making a mappool for this tournament is way harder than making a mappool for the OWC.
PS: Star ratings across the game modes are not equal in difficulty. A new player who's never played before would nail 4 star standard maps way before he could 4 star ctb maps.
I hope this answers your question.
Basically, I wanted to make sure each map is passable for everyone in the first rounds. Then again, the maps may be too easy on the semi and final stage.
And just to put it out there: As far as I know, there are no player in Skandi who mainly plays "all-modes". Unlike other tournaments that focus on one specific mode and lets the players who mainly plays that mode compete with eachother, this tournament doesn't really have a specific group of players to appeal to. I hope people see that making a mappool for this tournament is way harder than making a mappool for the OWC.
PS: Star ratings across the game modes are not equal in difficulty. A new player who's never played before would nail 4 star standard maps way before he could 4 star ctb maps.
I hope this answers your question.
i have been playing std just as long as i have been playing mania and i think std 4 star maps are way harder then mania 4 star maps.
''but it would be boring to watch a team fail every other map because they can't play the game mode accordingly''
i'm going 2 fail these std maps cus they are way 2 hard for me and i have been playing std for a year now.
i might be able to get through round 1-3 but, my friend probably doesn't have a chance, and after that i myself won't have a chance after the first rounds.
so either we take the std diff down a star or we take mania up a star.
''but it would be boring to watch a team fail every other map because they can't play the game mode accordingly''
i'm going 2 fail these std maps cus they are way 2 hard for me and i have been playing std for a year now.
i might be able to get through round 1-3 but, my friend probably doesn't have a chance, and after that i myself won't have a chance after the first rounds.
so either we take the std diff down a star or we take mania up a star.
What about those who don't play std.
Those who play mania only is feeling a little left out.
You are basicly saying that everyone should be able to play those maps. "It's easy. If I can do can you." No. That is not how things work.
I'm in this competition just to show off my skills in the one mode I know how to play. And when that mode just get 1-2* songs I get dissappointed. It's just too easy.
You have said yourself that you don't play much mania. Why not leave it up to the mania players to pick out some interesting maps. Cuz surely you have picked out some interesting maps for the rest of the modes.
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Those who play mania only is feeling a little left out.
You are basicly saying that everyone should be able to play those maps. "It's easy. If I can do can you." No. That is not how things work.
I'm in this competition just to show off my skills in the one mode I know how to play. And when that mode just get 1-2* songs I get dissappointed. It's just too easy.
You have said yourself that you don't play much mania. Why not leave it up to the mania players to pick out some interesting maps. Cuz surely you have picked out some interesting maps for the rest of the modes.
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PS: Star ratings across the game modes are not equal in difficulty. A new player who's never played before would nail 4 star standard maps way before he could 4 star ctb maps.4* std maps are clearly harder then 1* mania maps....
I'm sorry for doing a poor job for the mania players. The mappool has been public for a long time, and a long time before the tournament officially started too. You did post feedback on the first mappool and I answered with some harder maps. You could have craved even harder maps, or contact Divine Cake and ask to pick the mania maps instead of me. I don't know if he'll approve of a change in maps now, but I don't really care at this stage.
If the mania maps bother you, PM him.
If the mania maps bother you, PM him.
He tells us to bother you FYIKiwi Stick wrote:
If the mania maps bother you, PM him.
Also, why not ask mania players about maps, instead of deciding to do everything yourself? One guy choosing all the mania maps has proven to go wrong (even two guys as seen in MWC).
Uh, well, if what you want to do is to show off your skills in one particular mode, then maybe not do that in an all mode tournament? The tournament is supposed to show your prowess in every mode, not just the one you specialize in. If you think taiko and standard is too hard, then strategize accordingly when you pick maps during the match.
Are the mania maps too easy? Dunno, it seems like only 7k is starting out at normal difficulties for the first round, which I'd say is fairly appropriate all things considered; it's harder to manage 7 keys than 4 at the same time. 4k, CtB and Taiko seem to be closer to the hard range of things. I guess I could agree standard might have harder maps overall compared to the other modes, but the main mappool are also maps you can play as converts. I haven't looked into how difficult those are in other game modes, but they might balance it out better.
Are the mania maps too easy? Dunno, it seems like only 7k is starting out at normal difficulties for the first round, which I'd say is fairly appropriate all things considered; it's harder to manage 7 keys than 4 at the same time. 4k, CtB and Taiko seem to be closer to the hard range of things. I guess I could agree standard might have harder maps overall compared to the other modes, but the main mappool are also maps you can play as converts. I haven't looked into how difficult those are in other game modes, but they might balance it out better.
i think i'm decent in all modes except ctb, but i am going 2 get slaughtered in all of them except mania. so if i can't even slaughter other people in my main mode because tha maps are 2 easy why am i even competing?
Mania maps are easy because it's your main mode. You'd "slaughter" me in any 7k mania match we have, even at these difficulties because I suck at it. They're not easy for a complete beginner, which is true in every mode here. Every other team isn't going to be well rounded in everything except mania; they might be in the same situation as you, where they only excel in one mode and do decent in another.
Also, for a decent player in a mode vs a good one, the matches will be closer, yes, but unless you're a buster, the better player should win in the end.
The only thing I can agree to is that the overall difficulty of standard is fairly high compared to the other modes it seems, but I don't know the situation with converts, so they may be fine overall anyway. I dunno.
Also, for a decent player in a mode vs a good one, the matches will be closer, yes, but unless you're a buster, the better player should win in the end.
The only thing I can agree to is that the overall difficulty of standard is fairly high compared to the other modes it seems, but I don't know the situation with converts, so they may be fine overall anyway. I dunno.
yeah but i think we should take all the modes down to between 3-4 star.
because my skills are going 2 be compared to a beginners skills against everyother player that don't play mania. so i think that everybody not playing mania should be compared the same way as me in the other modes.
so if you guys are going to rekk me in std, taiko or ctb, it's only fair that i get to do the same to you.
and that comes down to that every mode should have almost the same star rating, but this is what i feel we should do so it can be equal between all modes.
PS i suck at writing english sry XD
because my skills are going 2 be compared to a beginners skills against everyother player that don't play mania. so i think that everybody not playing mania should be compared the same way as me in the other modes.
so if you guys are going to rekk me in std, taiko or ctb, it's only fair that i get to do the same to you.
and that comes down to that every mode should have almost the same star rating, but this is what i feel we should do so it can be equal between all modes.
PS i suck at writing english sry XD
You're probably overestimating the "mania noob". I don't think those maps are easy for someone who barely plays mania.
Also fyi, there won't be any "rekking" if your opponent fail before you even get to the flashy parts where you can show off your skills
Also fyi, there won't be any "rekking" if your opponent fail before you even get to the flashy parts where you can show off your skills
so let's say the mania part is ok.
but non of the other modes are, i will fail long before any of you get to the flashy parts.
and i think i'm speaking for all the mania players competing.
but non of the other modes are, i will fail long before any of you get to the flashy parts.
and i think i'm speaking for all the mania players competing.
Topic Starter
Ok clearly i have some explaining in my thought process of selecting the mappool.
The diffs of each stage was selecte based on the AVRAGE rank of players compeating in that mode. That means that for the avrage player the osu maps should be able to pass it, but it would still be hard eanogh for the better player to win based on aim accuracy speed etc.
We were also three peoples working on this, mabey with diffrent ideas. We tried to conteract this with an open mappool erly to find mistakes, and it worked for CtB. With a large consensus on them beeing to hard, eaven for CtB mains. Therefore i asked Razor to either change them or i would change them myself. Mabey i chose too easy diffs this time around as an overreaction to razors a bit to hard maps. But i asumed everything was fine once nobody had any major complaints for more than a week.
To conclude. If no further arguments on why the mappool shuld be switched last minute i will keep it as it is, as practice is an importaint part of tournament play. This is mostly because the mappool is based on the avrage skill level of the players compeating.
The point of the tournament as CXu said is not to show prowess in one mode, but rather the most broadly able player. Exceling at all this game has to offer of challenges.
The diffs of each stage was selecte based on the AVRAGE rank of players compeating in that mode. That means that for the avrage player the osu maps should be able to pass it, but it would still be hard eanogh for the better player to win based on aim accuracy speed etc.
We were also three peoples working on this, mabey with diffrent ideas. We tried to conteract this with an open mappool erly to find mistakes, and it worked for CtB. With a large consensus on them beeing to hard, eaven for CtB mains. Therefore i asked Razor to either change them or i would change them myself. Mabey i chose too easy diffs this time around as an overreaction to razors a bit to hard maps. But i asumed everything was fine once nobody had any major complaints for more than a week.
To conclude. If no further arguments on why the mappool shuld be switched last minute i will keep it as it is, as practice is an importaint part of tournament play. This is mostly because the mappool is based on the avrage skill level of the players compeating.
The point of the tournament as CXu said is not to show prowess in one mode, but rather the most broadly able player. Exceling at all this game has to offer of challenges.